Tiercel Peregrines taking Cock Pheasants

[Hawkmaster]

Males that shine in gamehawking and those that don't. There are so many joys and achievements that can be reached with a hot performing male and to enlighten others here are a few questions to start the ball rtolling?

What is the smallest one taking them without question?
How many have you have that refuse to take cocks?
Do they have traits that say they will be high flying?

[HawkMan69UK]

my tiercel last year went up to a good pitch about 300/500 foot highest he has ever been ...been mounting quite well previous and hitting most partridge that get put up..but on this day the point turned out to be a cock phesant perfect stoop struck it clean on the neck no bind but it was dead before it hit the ground refused them ever since..... the speed and sound was incredible..i sent photos to jase (spartheone if you still have it on your phone put it up matey:supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Thanks look forward to seeing them:lol:

[Judd Casper]

Males that shine in gamehawking and those that don't. There are so many joys and achievements that can be reached with a hot performing male and to enlighten others here are a few questions to start the ball rtolling?

What is the smallest one taking them without question?
How many have you have that refuse to take cocks?
Do they have traits that say they will be high flying?I have flown four tiercel peregrines and all but one took adult cock pheasants but on a flight to kill ratio the number of roosters killed was very small.The three that took them never refused pheasants when flushed they just had difficulty in stopping them, those mid winter roosters are tough cookies.I now fly two 29oz females they are far better suited to pheasant hawking than tiercels and can be equally as high mounting and stylish.


Sam

[SparsTheOne]

my tiercel last year went up to a good pitch about 300/500 foot highest he has ever been ...been mounting quite well previous and hitting most partridge that get put up..but on this day the point turned out to be a cock phesant perfect stoop struck it clean on the neck no bind but it was dead before it hit the ground refused them ever since..... the speed and sound was incredible..i sent photos to jase (spartheone if you still have it on your phone put it up matey:supz:

no i haven,t got that on my phone anymore mate sorry:cry:



jase.

[HaggisHawker]

You are asking for injury by flying tiercels deliberately at cock pheasants. The balance is wrong and your hawk will understandably not relish the chase. Of course they may and do all have a go while inexperienced, but the strength of a well-matured cock pheasant makes them unsuitable quarry for tiercels. I doubt there are any that take them 'without question' (on a regular basis) apart from some of the much bigger peales lines. If you want to kill cock pheasants in a manner that's fair on quarry and hawk, get a falcon.

As for knowing whether they will fly high, if there was a telling factor that was a dead cert, I doubt any game hawker would bother with anything else. Mostly, it's up to you to train them to go high. If you have a tiercel and you keep flushing cocks for him, you will only teach him not to bother working with you and encourage lacklustre style or wayward check. Worse still you will injure or, quite possibly, kill him.

[Craig S]

My tiercel flies at 1.3lb and despite his small size takes a fare few cock pheasants all from quit a high pitch, he has learned to hit them on the wing (he will often hit them several times) and wait for me to dispatch them for him, it means i often have to run like a bat out of hell, but it seems to of created a nice bond between me and the little falcon.

i initially wanted him to kill magpie's (i have hundreds of the blasted things) however he refused point blank to stoop to the lure and would just circle me waiting for it to be dropped on the floor. despite giving him several ounces of food a day he kept losing weight so i started to feed him more and more until he you just ate what ever he wanted sometimes upto 4 or 5 chicks, but the more he ate the higher he flew and waited on extremley tight. ive never known a bird with such a high metabolism, to this day ive only ever had to cut his weght briefly after the moult.

feeding him up all the time and helping him dispatch his quarry has made him silly tame.

[Hawkmaster]

You are asking for injury by flying tiercels deliberately at cock pheasants. The balance is wrong and your hawk will understandably not relish the chase. Of course they may and do all have a go while inexperienced, but the strength of a well-matured cock pheasant makes them unsuitable quarry for tiercels. I doubt there are any that take them 'without question' (on a regular basis) apart from some of the much bigger peales lines. If you want to kill cock pheasants in a manner that's fair on quarry and hawk, get a falcon.

As for knowing whether they will fly high, if there was a telling factor that was a dead cert, I doubt any game hawker would bother with anything else. Mostly, it's up to you to train them to go high. If you have a tiercel and you keep flushing cocks for him, you will only teach him not to bother working with you and encourage lacklustre style or wayward check. Worse still you will injure or, quite possibly, kill him.
I think you are missing the point of this threads debate. We know and acknowledge what you are saying and thank you for it, but is the the greener grass on the otherside we are trying to bring to the foreground.:lol:

[Kashai]

Males that shine in gamehawking and those that don't. There are so many joys and achievements that can be reached with a hot performing male and to enlighten others here are a few questions to start the ball rtolling?

What is the smallest one taking them without question?
How many have you have that refuse to take cocks?
Do they have traits that say they will be high flying?

I've never hunted pheasants by a tiercel, but many of my friends do. 2 years ago an Austrian guy had a 490g tiercel, that took each day pheasants, no matter, that hen or cock.

Here is a tiercel, that took roosters without problem (imprint - non-hacked). One day he took two hares, by the help of the vizsla too:), This birdy has hot blood.

K

[Yorky]

This thread is the best I have seen posted for a long long time on this subject...thanks for the posts guys.

[WGT]

Here is a friends tircel, specialist on pheasants! Don´t know the weight at the moment,



best regards

[Javier]

Nice coreageous bird!:box:

[Freddie1]

Good thread Paul I flew a tiercel last season Gyr/pere 1/4gyr 3/4pere and he was the very best bird I have ever flown he would sit at no less than 500ft and would pitch in on most things that were flushed on point he took 6 head of partridge by end of season, and put in well over 10 good stoops on pheasant but never connected put a couple down but never ended in a kill.
He flew at 1lb 73/4 oz and to say he was the best well he was! My mate has brought him off me as he flies a partridge sindicate and this is where he has really excelled but I would never say never with any tiercel!
I am buying another one off the same breeder this year and I will fly this male at anything and everthing so wish me luck!
Regards Steve:supz:

[Giant Panda]

You are asking for injury by flying tiercels deliberately at cock pheasants. The balance is wrong and your hawk will understandably not relish the chase. Of course they may and do all have a go while inexperienced, but the strength of a well-matured cock pheasant makes them unsuitable quarry for tiercels. I doubt there are any that take them 'without question' (on a regular basis) apart from some of the much bigger peales lines. If you want to kill cock pheasants in a manner that's fair on quarry and hawk, get a falcon.

As for knowing whether they will fly high, if there was a telling factor that was a dead cert, I doubt any game hawker would bother with anything else. Mostly, it's up to you to train them to go high. If you have a tiercel and you keep flushing cocks for him, you will only teach him not to bother working with you and encourage lacklustre style or wayward check. Worse still you will injure or, quite possibly, kill him.

Good post!!

[Hatchero]

You are asking for injury by flying tiercels deliberately at cock pheasants. The balance is wrong and your hawk will understandably not relish the chase. Of course they may and do all have a go while inexperienced, but the strength of a well-matured cock pheasant makes them unsuitable quarry for tiercels. I doubt there are any that take them 'without question' (on a regular basis) apart from some of the much bigger peales lines. If you want to kill cock pheasants in a manner that's fair on quarry and hawk, get a falcon.

As for knowing whether they will fly high, if there was a telling factor that was a dead cert, I doubt any game hawker would bother with anything else. Mostly, it's up to you to train them to go high. If you have a tiercel and you keep flushing cocks for him, you will only teach him not to bother working with you and encourage lacklustre style or wayward check. Worse still you will injure or, quite possibly, kill him.


it's been a few years since i flew pheasants much(we don't have them in hawkable situations here unless the snow gets deep) but i have had several tiercels that flew them well ---cocks or hens. it is all about footing. the best tiercel that i flew on pheasants regularly went for head shots and not infrequently stoned them. my current tiercel peales took 16 winter sage grouse(much bigger, faster and tougher than any cock pheasant) most of them killed or disabled in the stoop--its all in the pitch and the footing. i must say i did have a big tiercel some years ago that was quite successful on pheasants (cocks or hens, whatever got up) his technique was to stoop below and behind the pheasant and come up underneath and grab them by the legs while going really fast. it was very efficient and allowed him to wrack up a good score of pheasants.