Puppies on Ebay and the likes

[Debbie]

Hi All saw this on another falconry group I read and said I would paste it for the memebrs of this group to read also.

I just got this contact phone number off the net and checked it s the correct number to call as well.

Phil Buckley Press Officer 020 7518 1020

Debbs

The press release :-

Some information for you all regarding the sale of puppies on e-bay.

Anyone finding puppies listed for sale on e-bay is advised to contact

Phil Buckley at the Kennel Club as there is an agreement that puppies

will not be sold in this way and E-bay will immediately act to remove

the pups.


This will save the problems with trying to e-mail e-bay direct and

gives us another way of ensuring that e-bay are alerted ad hopefully

these poor pups are not sold in this way - especially after Heather

McCartney's appearence on GMTV with the puppy fur coat story which I

just can't talk about because its just too horrendous!! Heaven help

any of these poor pups who might go to these unscrupulous people.


Please feel free to pass this information on to anyone or cross post

it to other lists you belong to as ours is not the only breed

suffering with e-bay adverts.

[Hawkmaster]

Why is it a bad thing to sell on eBay?

[Debbie]

Ebay has a non live stock policy.

Debbs

[Hawkmaster]

I know, BUT what makes it worse than selling them in a pet shop that never even bred them?

[OhMyGod]

I think it's just polotics dude, PR and all that, you know how things are going,

[Debbie]

Going back a year or so ago there was a problem with puppies again being sold. I think on Ebay people were just shipping them off amtrak style no come back no traceability nothing.

With a pet shop the shop owner and thankfully these kind of shops are few and far between has the details of the puppies parents so traceability can often still be located and they are sold locally normally not amtracked all over the UK.

I think it is more politics and regulations and the larger picture of puppy farms and fur traders. Which is more the case this time round I think.

Debbs

[OhMyGod]

Have you looked at all the ads in the freeads? Free dogs and puppies. How many people hear give to good homes only?

I'm sure your "puppie farms" can hide their pups hear very easily. and stolen ones too.

Ebay are not helping the problem one little bit, they just don't want people pointing fingers at them.

[Hawkmaster]

Years ago I supplied a local food outlet with rabbits and they gave me rats and mice in exchange.

They were selling Barn Owls and all hell broke loose there and even the Police and the Barn Owl Trust got involved.

They wanted support from me that the birds were well cared for which they were, but I did not agree with them selling them as nobody cared where or who they went to.

Now on eBay, it would be the same as a customer coming to the breeder from an advert in the paper?

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi,

I think if you start getting livestock sold on ebay, it would result in masses of animals being bred and sold on there purely for money making purposes and I believe it would be the animals that ultimately suffer, sure there are some genuine people about but a lot of these animals may end up with poor homes.

To be honest I think any animal these days is to easy to get hold of and a lot end up in the wrong hands. That said how could this problem be reduced?

Very good point OMG. I get extremely frustrated by organisations spending vast quantities of money on banning hunting etc when this money can be put to better use, like looking after domesticated animals, what happens to them????

All The Best,

HH

[Ian Wileman]

anyone selling puppies on ebay, regardless, should have the puppies taken from them immediatly. Not blowing my own trumpet, but the trumpets of ALL the friends I have who breed dogs. My bitch has recently had a litter of puppies. She had four. Had She had ten, I would not have been able to fulfill the orders from people who wanted one. ALL four are going to exceptional homes. 2 are going to a friend of mine who is a vet. 1 is going to a close friend who I work with, the last is going to the owner of the stud dog (again a good friend). Had I not had this situation, the bitch in question would never have been allowed to have a litter. Too many people breed for the wrong reasons. MONEY being the worst!

Dont get me wrong, I stand to make some money from the litter, but that was never the reason for mating the bitch. ALL these people were very keen to have a puppy from this particular mating long before the mating occured!

[Hawkmaster]

I am being the :twisted: advocate so bear with me here everyone?

What if I placed and ad for pedigree dogs, that were KC registered, vets injection etc and all the bumf.

Show all the pups in pictures individually and ask for folks to only be from my local area only so there can be a property visit or I retain the right to decline the sale after the close of the auction.


How is that different to breeding and selling from a local paper, whether I wanted to breed them like rats or just the one off type of litter?


:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[OhMyGod]

Ebay want to create a good image for themselves. Not selling animals is a good choice I would say.

If there were hawks and falcons for sale hear we would all be ranting about them.

Ebay makes loads a money, they are better off not getting involved in animal rights beaurocracy, and missing out on a very small percentage of cash from animals, so animal rights people will sell their stuff on ebay instead of slagging them off.

[Hawkmaster]

You hit it on the HEAD! lol

[Ian Wileman]

I am being the :twisted: advocate so bear with me here everyone?

What if I placed and ad for pedigree dogs, that were KC registered, vets injection etc and all the bumf.

Show all the pups in pictures individually and ask for folks to only be from my local area only so there can be a property visit or I retain the right to decline the sale after the close of the auction.


How is that different to breeding and selling from a local paper, whether I wanted to breed them like rats or just the one off type of litter?


:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

My point above HM, is that if you have the best interest of your dog, and the puppies she produces, you will NOT have to advertise as they will be sold BEFORE they are born!

[Hawkmaster]

I completely understood that Ian, I just wanted more . . .

[HawkMan69UK]

you can buy nearly hatched eggs on e bay ducks hens pheasants etc

[OhMyGod]

do you have a link?

[HawkMan69UK]

here ya go mate http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3211&item=43619232 27&rd=1

[Jack Merlin]

Its a strange old world when you think about it.

There are livestock auctions all over the country. Animals and birds are regularly sold on Loot. Even sheepdogs are sold at auction, sometimes adult working dogs, sometimes puppies.

I bought my first dog (a collie pup) at a market for one shilling (5p). Got hell for it when I got home, too! Nobody was going to bid against a 12 year old kid who had just bid his pocket money!<vbg>

Anyway, that's the countryside for you. We seem to do things differently and it goes without saying that animals are well looked after because we depend on them for our livelihood. You don't herd many sheep with a sick, badly conditioned sheepdog.

[BrianM]

what the difference between selling a pup to someone over the net and moses walking out a breeders home having bought a falcon despite having no equipment or experence..... not much in my eyes

[Jack Merlin]

Wasn't there a move to make the seller at least partly responsible if the buyer later mistreats an animal or bird he purchases?

I'm sure I read that somewhere. Maybe in Cage & Aviary Birds about proposed or recent legislation?

Anyone know?

I do carry out at least a partial "psychological testing" of purchasers of working bird dog pups. That has been laughed at in certain quarters, but then I wouldn't want to sell them a dog anyway!

A few searching questions usually reveals whether the buyer has done his homework and knows what he is getting into or is a dreamer with romantic ideas of skipping across the moors with a perfectly trained pointer quartering in front while his falcon waits on at 5,000 feet over head!

Answers to questions like, "And what are you going to do when your dog chases a hare?" or "So, your newly purchased bitch pup has 14 puppies in a year's time (quite possible), what next?", reveal a lot!

[Helen_Aldred-Jones]

the problem with advertising on Ebay is that you are legally bound to sell the animals to the winning bidder regardless of whether that person can look after the animal or not due to the auction contract.

At least with a livestock auction you don't get as many impulse buyers in regards to buying animals as they are at the auction already so had animals in mind- the ebayer could have been looking at something like hair products and stumbled onto the animal listing and bought it without a second thought...

[Ian Wileman]

This is why I have said all I have said above. I am planning a litter for my younger bitch. her next season I will take her to Carlise and use my friends dog again. His dog is a champion, AND from working stock!!! A rare thing me thinks!! The owner has not been in the breed long enough for judges to want to gain favour with him, so it is good to know that the dog has gained his title purely on its own merits and not because his owner is another judge, or writes books, or anything else.

I am breeding this bitch for one reason only!! I wish to keep one of her pups back for myself. If I did not, she would not be bred from. Any others will be found homes BEFORE they are born, simply because the stud dog is such a popular one. My pups are not cheep, but then, they are top notch! Anyone wishing to buy a pup from me would have to know who the owner of the stud dog was or know who bred my two bitches as THEY have successful show kennels with waiting lists of people they have veted for their own pups, so sales go through them.

I do not need to advertise! I do not need to have dozens of phone calls from people I do not know! I do not have to have people coming round to my house to see pups! I simply have the litter, rear the puppies to eight weeks, and then they are gone, all on the same day! Whats in it for the people getting homes for me? They get to place puppies with theri kennels breeding in them, into homes they feel worthy of having such pups.

So in short......want to breed a litter of pups amd not have all the hassels everyone else (selling on Ebay, or the loot, or the local paper or what have you) has? Go to the very best kennel you can to purchase your own dogs, then, go to the very best stud dog you can to sire the litter! The only hassel you will have is cleaning up pup **** for a couple of weeks.

Want to make a fortune breeding dogs? YOU CANT!! Like me, you are nothing in your breed! Very few people make money out of breeding dogs properly. The average Border terrier lives for forteen years. Work out the cost of keeping such a dog properly. Work out the money ACTUALLY made on the average litter (four)? If you do your maths properly you will see what I mean.

[Ian Wileman]

you can buy nearly hatched eggs on e bay ducks hens pheasants etc

These are not nearly hatched eggs mate. These are eggs laid by the hen, duck, etc and collected up. The owner then sells the eggs for epoel who either have a broody hen (one that will hatch them for you as it wishes to sit), or for an incubator. In both cases the people buying will either already own hens and have a broody, or, own an incubator (much more expensive than a sitting of hens eggs to buy).

You then have to get them incubated (saying they are fertile to start with - this is never guarenteed), rear the chicks, GET RID of the FIVE COCKERALS you hatch (normally the sort of luck you have), either by knecking them, or finding homes (difficult), to leave you with the pair (if you are lucky) of hens you wanted in the first place. Lot of input...not much gain folks!

[Jack Merlin]

I am planning a litter for my younger bitch.

I take it thgese are border terriers, then good luck to you. You have done the right thing.

Trouble with promises is that people break them. Then, if it is a litter of bird dog pups you are selling, you find the "buyers" disappear leaving you with a heap of pups beyond their sell by date. I have seen that happen to more than one enthusiastic and optimistic breeder! Then what? I would sooner have a house full of wolverines than half a dozen three month old pups!

Ain't nothing wrong in writing books if you have something to say that people will pay money to read!<g>

[HawkMan69UK]

so not worth buying pheasant eggs then

[Ian Wileman]

if you dont care what sex they are when hatched, and want to try something a bit different, then go for it mate.

[Blaze]

Well there are still livestock for sale on ebay!.....Or dont fish count as living animals?..:roll:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-ADULT-PAIR-FRONTOSA-AFRICAN-CICHLID-FISH_W0QQitemZ7739956175QQcategoryZ66795QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

[Denno17]

This is even more worrying http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/leopoldi-stingray_W0QQitemZ7738559589QQcategoryZ66795QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

I cannot believe that some is attempting to sell a living creature that can cause serious harm to you