Which longwing!

[B8enP]

hi guys this topics probly bin covered many times before but i'm after a long wing for the new season too fly at crows and gulls hopefully of the fist.but theres that much choice out there i was wonderin from your experience what the best bird would be for this cheers ben

[Pogger]

My personal opinion is you can't go far wrong with a female perexsaker. Second choice would be a male gyrxpere. If this is going to be your first long wing then go for the female pxs.

[ZXBravo]

hi guys this topics probly bin covered many times before but i'm after a long wing for the new season too fly at crows and gulls hopefully of the fist.but theres that much choice out there i was wonderin from your experience what the best bird would be for this cheers ben

I was thinking the same thing!

[Yorky]

Hi Ben, went through exactly the same thought process as yourself last winter. Following lots of advice and support from the forum I now have a female Pere x Saker, and will be getting a Gyr x Pere Male this summer. One more bit of advice, buy and train a young bird yourself, unless you already know the falcon.

[Martin Whitley]

One more bit of advice, buy and train a young bird yourself, unless you already know the falcon.
Probably the best bit of advice you could get if you're just starting out with longwings

[Ginty]

I agree in a way, but a novice can still learn a lot from a second hand bird and these unwanted birds can be turned around and thus be saved from a life on a block. I would say the majority of trained falcons for sale have never been given enough chance to excell, due to time constraints and inexperience of the owner.

I have made a hobby out of training unwanted birds destined for the scrap heap and only failed with 2 extreme cases, the rest were transformed into good birds, through patience, great effort and most importantly through getting out and flying the bird every single day come rain or shine.








Hi Ben, went through exactly the same thought process as yourself last winter. Following lots of advice and support from the forum I now have a female Pere x Saker, and will be getting a Gyr x Pere Male this summer. One more bit of advice, buy and train a young bird yourself, unless you already know the falcon.

Probably the best bit of advice you could get if you're just starting out with longwings

[Hatchero]

If your goal is to catch as many gulls and crows as possible in the shortest period of time than i would go with a nice big gyrfalcon. the gyrfalcon will even take ravens if you are so inclined. nothing..and i mean nothing.. will, from the fist, fly down gulls and corvids like a female gyr. the best part is it happens fast and you don't have to go as far to pick the bird up unless you are taking long slips. perhaps not as sporting as flying them with slower birds but you can make up for it with quantity although i don't normally hawk that sort of game i did have a gyrfalcon that caught 3 ravens in one afternoon(in about two hours actually)--all on passage and all accidental:twisted:
actually, if you are so inclined only take slips on quarry that way overhead and watch just how good a gyr is at this sort of flight--like a passage female merlin on starlings-they almost never miss.
jim

[Yorky]

Speaking from experience myself, a novice does learn alot from a second hand bird with issues. However with hindsight (wonderful thing isnt it), the quickest and easiest route for all (including the Falcon) is to get an 08 eyass. You've picked the right time of year as within 8 weeks there will be a gazillion birds available. Save taking a second hand bird until after you have cut your teeth on an easier option first.

I agree in a way, but a novice can still learn a lot from a second hand bird and these unwanted birds can be turned around and thus be saved from a life on a block. I would say the majority of trained falcons for sale have never been given enough chance to excell, due to time constraints and inexperience of the owner.

I have made a hobby out of training unwanted birds destined for the scrap heap and only failed with 2 extreme cases, the rest were transformed into good birds, through patience, great effort and most importantly through getting out and flying the bird every single day come rain or shine.

[Steve W]

Interesting, I will be looking at a falcon next year. So far a Gyr-Pere is looking fav, probably a female. Anyone have any experience with this bird?

[Yorky]

50/ 50 Gyr/Pere Females are hard to come by and usually only the smaller ones are available (the bigger ones all sold to contract for th Gulf) usually at £1.2k and upwards. 25/75 Gyr Peres are currently being advertised on the IBR at £900 for a female. Whilst Pere x Saker females are 1/2 of that price. Male Gyr x Peres are more readily available and will set you back £500 upwards, a little more than a Female Pere x Saker.

Interesting, I will be looking at a falcon next year. So far a Gyr-Pere is looking fav, probably a female. Anyone have any experience with this bird?

[B8enP]

i've bin offered a male pere/saker wot would you expect to pay foy one?

[Craig S]

why does everyone seem to have an obsession with hybrids.

Get a female peregrine!

[Yorky]

The've been advertised recently between £300 and £400.

i've bin offered a male pere/saker wot would you expect to pay foy one?

[Yorky]

Price?why does everyone seem to have an obsession with hybrids.

Get a female peregrine!

[Craig S]

peregrines
M £400-£500 F £800-£1000

[Daave77]

why does everyone seem to have an obsession with hybrids.

Get a female peregrine!

Having had a straight Pere in the distant past I would be inclined not to go for straight Pere unless you're hunting on Salisbury plain with no cover - i'd go for a Hybrid.

In fact i'm picking up my Gyr/Saker x Peregrine Tiercel for that very purpose. £500 I think is a very decent price too!

[PenelopeP]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/princessfalconer/Vaderboy010.jpg

This is the one for me! Gyr/Saker (male)

Taken, Crow, Rook, Jackdaw, Moorhen, Partridge and Pigeon. Flown out of the hood. :supz:

[Pure Blood]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/princessfalconer/Vaderboy010.jpg

This is the one for me! Gyr/Saker (male)

Taken, Crow, Rook, Jackdaw, Moorhen, Partridge and Pigeon. Flown out of the hood. :supz:

witch 1s the crow jo :lol:

[Haskins]

the male pere/saker would be to much on the small side for the gulls, might handle some crows but could get quit a beating. and then mybe switch off them all together.

[MitchTalon]

just got my second falcon a gyrsaker male i plan to fly at rook and crows i think this hybrid would be gd for the quarry intended look out for pics of my new bird ill try and put some up but of wot ive seen gyrsakers a gd solid birds id recomend one

[Remington]

Female Pere x Sakers are made to do rooks and gulls, In all honesty the Gyr x Peregrine genetically speaking is just a more expensive version of the same bird (only a bit larger).

A female saker is more than capable of doing and rooks and gulls but their weather proofing leaves a bit to be desired, which is why the pere/saker came about in the first place!

[Haskins]

right on the button. ive got a small female pere/saker and she is a dream to.(very very high flyer). love them.

[John Soulsby]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/princessfalconer/Vaderboy010.jpg

This is the one for me! Gyr/Saker (male)

Taken, Crow, Rook, Jackdaw, Moorhen, Partridge and Pigeon. Flown out of the hood. :supz:

Which is the crow (sorry)

John

[Haskins]

that is a joke. right!

[Matthew Patching]

why does everyone seem to have an obsession with hybrids.

Get a female peregrine!

You ever flown one at crows?

[Matthew Patching]

the male pere/saker would be to much on the small side for the gulls, might handle some crows but could get quit a beating. and then mybe switch off them all together.

Only if you dont do the ground work, 'small' male falcons need more work than a similar sized female, if getting a male then it has to be cock on and if it aint then it will get put off!

Properly prepaired they relish the stand offs, and fights, ill prepaied they give up!

[Matthew Patching]

just got my second falcon a gyrsaker male i plan to fly at rook and crows i think this hybrid would be gd for the quarry intended look out for pics of my new bird ill try and put some up but of wot ive seen gyrsakers a gd solid birds id recomend one

someone asked me recently what my ideal crow hawk would be, and I said as long as it has some peregrine in it I wouldnt care what else made it up.

I have flown gyrxsakers, and despite making a couple of good ones they were never going to be outstanding, a hybrid without peregrine deosnt even come close to a hybrid with peregrine (in my opinion)!

[Haskins]

i have only flown a couple of pere hybrids and a couple of gyr/sakers and found that the gyr/sakers never really come close to the pere hybrids ive flown. but that is only my experience.

[Richard Ellis]

Only if you dont do the ground work, 'small' male falcons need more work than a similar sized female, if getting a male then it has to be cock on and if it aint then it will get put off!

Properly prepaired they relish the stand offs, and fights, ill prepaied they give up!

spot on i had a pere/saker male exellent on gulls.. :supz:

[Ginty]

hear hear !


someone asked me recently what my ideal crow hawk would be, and I said as long as it has some peregrine in it I wouldnt care what else made it up.

I have flown gyrxsakers, and despite making a couple of good ones they were never going to be outstanding, a hybrid without peregrine deosnt even come close to a hybrid with peregrine (in my opinion)!

[Nickic]

have flown all sorts of falcons at crows and gulls, everyone says the female pere saker, have seen a few , not that impressed really, seem to take to long to get there! suppose it depends on the area where you are hunting! it wasnt so long ago that it was advised not to fly male g/ps at crows , cant think why , have seen some fantastic ones! the best falcon i have flown at crows by far was a male 75/25 gyr saker, speed and power in abundance, me and mate flew one each ! both got killed on the job, never knew when to give up! would have one again! just remember anything over say 2 pound is probably to big! will scare the crows off for miles!

[Haskins]

what weight did the male 75/25 gyr saker fly at.

[Cyrano]

Fly a sakret and a sakerfalcon at crow. Good fun. Some (bad quality) pics but I haven't any other. Hunt by bike, so I can follow quikly and see most of the hunt. See a lot of cow and crow and sometimes the crow is 'tired'.:)
The first year, rain was a problem. The sakers fly most of the time low(25 meters high or just 1 feet) but crash heavily in cover. They don't have a problem with barbed wire(they use it as cover or to 'nail' the crow beneath. Chase anything that fly, even buzzard(didn't catch one and I won't catch them). they have no problem with strong wind. I have enough with them at the moment.
Hope you understand what I wrote, it is English(I think).

[Nickic]

we had two , they were brothers, but totally different in flying style! mine was very dark and flew at 2 pound my mates was lighter and flew at 1 13! mine was a crow bully, his was a speedster coming from behind to mug them! what was interesting was that during initial training to the lure, both birds would loop the loop! have trained quite a few falcons these were the only ones ever to do that!