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Raven_Corvus
11-06-2008, 11:27 AM
My friend is sure that this birds canot cross, but i think it's possible. In my area i can see Gen, and Buteoides alsow. How it is?



SSL
11-06-2008, 11:38 AM
My friend is sure that this birds canot cross, but i think it's possible. In my area i can see Gen, and Buteoides alsow. How it is?

There is a thread on here somewhere and its stated that Buteoide,Albidus and Gentilis do not naturally hybridise due to breeding times/cycles.
AlexB
11-06-2008, 07:48 PM
There is a thread on here somewhere and its stated that Buteoide,Albidus and Gentilis do not naturally hybridise due to breeding times/cycles.

Not stricktly true,

Albidus and Siberian Buteoides frequently inter-breed. Also in Northern Germany loads of Finnish Buteoides have stayed here after migrating and now breed with german birds.

ATB
Alex
Gaz
11-06-2008, 08:13 PM
,Albidus and Gentilis do not naturally hybridise due to breeding times/cycles.

:confused:This is not hybridising...if and when it occurs..it would simply be two GOSHAWKS breeding...:supz:
Yarak_Eric
11-06-2008, 08:55 PM
Not stricktly true,

Albidus and Siberian Buteoides frequently inter-breed. Also in Northern Germany loads of Finnish Buteoides have stayed here after migrating and now breed with german birds.

ATB
Alex


Is that like a Finnish Goshawk X Common Buzzard?

I wanna see pics if there are hybrids!
Gaz
11-06-2008, 09:09 PM
Is that like a Finnish Goshawk X Common Buzzard?

I wanna see pics if there are hybrids!

No..read the post..goshawk x goshawk = goshawk..

goshawk x buzzard= hybrid



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Raven_Corvus
12-06-2008, 08:07 AM
I was saying about situation in nature, not human hand. I live in north east of Poland and can see bouth spicies, some thimes young buteoides after they flay to my area they stay, sow i think they can cross with gentilis. In this seson i trained last year male of gos, and he was 850 grams, of flaying weith, but it was a bird that pigon breeders catch, the bird flewn to the pigion wollier good lock that the breeder was inteligent man and return scared bird with a little demage of wing to me, in this moment bird return on free, he was very inteligent bird after 2 days off eating nothing he started to eat from the fist, 3rd day he was jumping on the fist, 5 day he flay to the fist with any problem after one week he was flaying free. This is the beautty of no imprint and a wollier bird, he never hit me with his cluthes, he new that my hand is not something to eat... i love this caind of birds. But i olways return them to the nature.

sorry for my english its realy sucks.
SSL
12-06-2008, 10:59 AM
Albidus and Siberian Buteoides frequently inter-breed. Also in Northern Germany loads of Finnish Buteoides have stayed here after migrating and now breed with german birds.


Tell it to the man who stated it, he's obviously been wasting his time :lol: I would have thought it was bound to happen, he corrected me and said it doesnt, he's spent years studying them I've had a Goshawk for two years who am I to argue with him 8-)

This is not hybridising...if and when it occurs..it would simply be two GOSHAWKS breeding...

Hybrid, cross of subspecies, two GOSHAWKs breeding, not really bothered to be fair :confused:
John Dumbar
15-06-2008, 03:55 PM
Łukasz nie poddajesz się ;)
Ask Siberia, he will tell U all U want to know.
Regards ;)
Keith Barker
15-06-2008, 07:12 PM
I was saying about situation in nature, not human hand. I live in north east of Poland and can see bouth spicies, some thimes young buteoides after they flay to my area they stay, sow i think they can cross with gentilis. In this seson i trained last year male of gos, and he was 850 grams, of flaying weith, but it was a bird that pigon breeders catch, the bird flewn to the pigion wollier good lock that the breeder was inteligent man and return scared bird with a little demage of wing to me, in this moment bird return on free, he was very inteligent bird after 2 days off eating nothing he started to eat from the fist, 3rd day he was jumping on the fist, 5 day he flay to the fist with any problem after one week he was flaying free. This is the beautty of no imprint and a wollier bird, he never hit me with his cluthes, he new that my hand is not something to eat... i love this caind of birds. But i olways return them to the nature.

sorry for my english its realy sucks.

you are lucky to live in a region where this type of natural harvest is allowed i hope you have some fun with your goshawk.
keith
John Dumbar
16-06-2008, 09:18 AM
It's definitely illegal ;).
Raven_Corvus
20-06-2008, 09:59 AM
Dzielki Michal :P
i was keeping him untill he was in good shaep then let him free. pewnie, ze sie nie poddam bo ja tam wierze, ze to mozliwe, i kiedys zdobede na to dowody.
Tony123ABC
20-06-2008, 03:26 PM
I am with Gaz. Gos + gos = gos. Aint never been a fan of sub species taxonomy in the first place. To me it is just an excuse to create urgency and or new problems. Or some Dink tryin to get published on someone elses work. Gaz, some peopole don't know the genus specie and so on, be gentle to those with questions.