AK x Gyrs

[VerticalStoop]

I saw an ad for these birds the other day and wondered why it would be done. I know very little about AKs but I really don't see any benefit!

Your thoughts.

Regards VS

[Alf]

Where was the add and how much? Alf.

[VerticalStoop]

No price I'm afraid Alf, on UK Falcons web site.

[FredrickFogg]

Now I would love to see a picture of this bird! Any chance you can ring them and ask them for a picture?

[Lenka]

now that is just disgusting

[Raven_Corvus]

What's AK?

[FalconMistress]

American Kestrels

The whole thing is STUPID!!!!!!!!

[FredrickFogg]

American Kestrels

The whole thing is STUPID!!!!!!!!

Hmmm, a hybred the size of a barbary with the guts of a gyr! Yeah, that is stupid, who would want to fly one that size! Duh! :rolleyes:

[Gaz]

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[FredrickFogg]

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Hey, at least I don't film through peep holes! LOL :lol: One can dream, can't they?

[Lenka]

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sorry for the off - topicness but dude, you aware of the fact that those smileys flood your machine with spam and stuff that will make the computer unbearably slow? get rid of them as soon as you can before something happens.

[KillJoy]

I feel sorry for the kessie that layed that egg!!:shock:

Is there a link to the add, is it on the net?

[Haskins]

this is the web address www.ukfalcons.com
once on there you must go in to birdmart and then click on birds for sale.

[Haskins]

the breeder is in the located scotland

[CanadaManada]

How is this cross any more objectionable than a merlin/gyr (gyrlin), which, I hear is THE bird for small quarry? The AK is a fine enough bird to be working up a hybrid from. I just don't understand the attitude of "it's ok to cross this and this, but that and that is just (insert declarative statement)"
I'd like to see one.

Justin

[David Rampling]

AKs are incredibly game little falcons with balls of steel. Any cross with AK in would be worth trying. They will chase anything, are incredibly smart and tame, beautifull and can turn on a sixpence. A great little cross I think.

[Alf]

My thoughts exactly I would think they would make great little hawks. Alf.


AKs are incredibly game little falcons with balls of steel. Any cross with AK in would be worth trying. They will chase anything, are incredibly smart and tame, beautifull and can turn on a sixpence. A great little cross I think.

[Sean D]

now that is just disgusting

Why do you find it discusting

[David Rampling]

now that is just disgusting

Dont make the mistake of thinking they are at all like a European Kestrel.

[GyrXPeales]

AKs are incredibly game little falcons with balls of steel. Any cross with AK in would be worth trying. They will chase anything, are incredibly smart and tame, beautifull and can turn on a sixpence. A great little cross I think.

I have to agree with that entire statement David. An AK with a larger engine, God help all the small birds out there.;-)
Jeff

[Lenka]

Why do you find it discusting

Dont make the mistake of thinking they are at all like a European Kestrel.

I am anything but an anti-hybrid person. I love hybrids, they are so great, with so much potential, however, only when the crossbreeding has any meaning. I am not saying that AKs are not good hunting birds, I cant tell because I havent flown one, but I think that there are plenty of other hybrids and pure bred birds the same size as gyrxAK with the same, if not superior abilities. AKs and Gyrs have distinctly different hunting techniques and physical abilities, I daresay they are too different, and what would you need a big bird with small feet for?
and also - putting a kestrel, regardless of how good, the second smallest falcon in the world into the largest one and one that is considered to be the ultimate? Just doesnt work for me. I am having trouble getting over gyrlins that now compared to this hybrid seem not so extreme, but this is just a little bit too much of us trying to find how far can we push it. dont push. dont degrade the best hunting falcon there is just because you can.

[David Rampling]

mmmm. ok, but think you should fly an AK, or at least see one flown at small game before you comment. AKs are also thought to have the most powerful feet in the raptor world, pound for pound, so who is to say it would produce a large bird with tiny feet? why not a small bird with big feet? again, I think you are assuming they are like a European Kestrel, they are not. You are clearly unaware of how amazing they are, for hedge bashing they would be terrific. But just my opinion I know.

[Gaz]

sorry for the off - topicness but dude, you aware of the fact that those smileys flood your machine with spam and stuff that will make the computer unbearably slow? get rid of them as soon as you can before something happens.[/quote]

;)Thanks dudette:P:P..removed now:supz:

[Lenka]

mmmm. ok, but think you should fly an AK, or at least see one flown at small game before you comment. AKs are also thought to have the most powerful feet in the raptor world, pound for pound, so who is to say it would produce a large bird with tiny feet? why not a small bird with big feet? again, I think you are assuming they are like a European Kestrel, they are not. You are clearly unaware of how amazing they are, for hedge bashing they would be terrific. But just my opinion I know.

you definitely have a point about not jumping to conclusions about AKs, as I already said, I cant really evaluate AKs skills, since I have never flown one. and you are right about different traits the hybrid would inherit after the parents, though there was a thread already on kestrel hybrids, dont know when or where it was, but this one person said he saw a an AKxGyr and it was a big bird with small ugly feet. i know it is not right to generalize, but i still cant help not feeling too good about this.

but still... an AK and a gyr? come on...

[David Rampling]

you definitely have a point about not jumping to conclusions about AKs, as I already said, I cant really evaluate AKs skills, since I have never flown one. and you are right about different traits the hybrid would inherit after the parents, though there was a thread already on kestrel hybrids, dont know when or where it was, but this one person said he saw a an AKxGyr and it was a big bird with small ugly feet. i know it is not right to generalize, but i still cant help not feeling too good about this.

but still... an AK and a gyr? come on...

No problem Lenka, we will agree to disagree, it would be boring if we all thought the same.

[Ginty]

Gyr x kestrel:

[ZX2Run]

Is that a Gyr X European Kestrel?

[Ben Wallace]

Gyr x kestrel:

That,.....is an interesting hybrid!!!!

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace

[Sean D]

Gyr x kestrel:

Tell us more, do you have any more pics

[David Rampling]

Looks like a european cross to me with those markings, pretty bird though.

[B C]

I agree David - it does look like a European Kestrel cross, but what a lovely looking bird - real long wings and a long tail. It looks like it would be a high powered bird - anyone know any weights or more information about it?

Cheers
B C

[Lenka]

No problem Lenka, we will agree to disagree, it would be boring if we all thought the same.

hahaha spot on:lol: as long as we agree to disagree in an orderly fashion :lol:

that hybrid looks interesting but... SMALL FEET (forgive me, could not help it:rolleyes:)

[David Rampling]

hahaha spot on:lol: as long as we agree to disagree in an orderly fashion :lol:

that hybrid looks interesting but... SMALL FEET (forgive me, could not help it:rolleyes:)

Ha! Lenka you had to didnt you?.. but I dissagree again, that middle toe looks long enough!:lol:

[Crawford]

mmmm. ok, but think you should fly an AK, or at least see one flown at small game before you comment. AKs are also thought to have the most powerful feet in the raptor world, pound for pound, so who is to say it would produce a large bird with tiny feet? why not a small bird with big feet? again, I think you are assuming they are like a European Kestrel, they are not. You are clearly unaware of how amazing they are, for hedge bashing they would be terrific. But just my opinion I know.

Very, very true David, why shouldn't the best of both birds come out in a hybrid. A couple of years ago I laughed at David when he told me he was flying Ak`s.
This man used to like making things bleed, flying spars, goshawks Harris ect....hunting was all he lived for when he lived in my end of the world.
So did that Devon air make him soft??????
Up until I went to see him on holiday flying one I thought it would be just a colourful common Kestrel, was I wrong!
These are fantastic little birds, fast, persistent, aggressive.
Why shouldn`t there be a hybrid of them when you would pay good money for a Merlin x gyr.
Don`t think of these small falcons as Kestrels, they are more like a Merlin x sparrowhawk. Just go out with someone flying one, your opinion will change.

[Rabadswompe]

Did anyone ring the breeder yet????

is the bird in the pic his bird?

[Lenka]

Ha! Lenka you had to didnt you?.. but I dissagree again, that middle toe looks long enough!:lol:

yup i did. i am way too stubborn to not to:lol:

[Leo 1]

Gyr x kestrel:

intresting wonder wot they hunt like

[David Rampling]

Gyr x kestrel:

Any info on the bird in the photo?

[KillJoy]

GOD PLEASE TELL ME MORE ON THIS BIRD!!!!!!!:supz:
I WANT ONE SOOOOOOOO BAD!:supz:
I have been told that a merlin, and anything cross with a merlin, is high strung.
But a kessie x gyr would be the complete opposite wouldnt it?

[David Rampling]

GOD PLEASE TELL ME MORE ON THIS BIRD!!!!!!!:supz:
I WANT ONE SOOOOOOOO BAD!:supz:
I have been told that a merlin, and anything cross with a merlin, is high strung.
But a kessie x gyr would be the complete opposite wouldnt it?

I have found merlins, and perlins, very laid back and tame birds. Not highly strung at all.

[Crawford]

Merlins are very tame......

[Ginty]

I dont know anything about the Gyr x kestrel here is the website

http://shaheencenter.blogspot.com/

[KillJoy]

I have found merlins, and perlins, very laid back and tame birds. Not highly strung at all.

I have had a couple of people tell me they are, or can be, a pain in the but.

Maybe its the American Merlin, you know how us Americans are.
I'll just roll the merlin a fatty and see if he mellows out.

I am getting an apprentice licenses this year, got the paper work filled out and sending it today actually, and I want to stick with the small bird after my 2 years. This would be GREAT!!!!!:supz::supz:

[IAmTheWeasel]

You want high strung? try a bat s*** crazy Prairie x Merlin.......

[FalconPrincess]

any more pics plzz :box:

[DeadDogs]

I think the AK X Gyr's were priced at £800

[Giant Panda]

now that is just disgusting

No more so than "wirehaired" and Vizsla!!!:-D:-D

Jim:-D

[Lenka]

I dont know anything about the Gyr x kestrel here is the website

http://shaheencenter.blogspot.com/

lol a gystrel :D

[Lenka]

No more so than "wirehaired" and Vizsla!!!:-D

Jim:-D

now youre pushing it :D:D

[Sprawke]

I don't remeber where I heard this, (possibly from Tom Cade's book) but AK's probably aren't really closely related to the rest of the kestrels and some genetic study a while back hinted that they may actually be more closely related to the Peregrine!

[DarlAle]

I read that too. Also I've read that they hunt more like a true falcon too. Is this right?
The Gyr / Kestrel looks stunning, great colours.

[Gozzhawk]

sprawke , can you cite the paper??

Ak x Gyr (ak into female gyr), would be interesting for sure, looks a bit too wierd for me , and i have seen wierd!