2008 Female Finish Goshawk Imprint

[Kentish Falconry]

I thought I had better start my own thread regarding our 2008 Female Goshawk. I have posted some notes on her progress on other Threads but I feel it is a little unfair using other members platforms to talk about our Hawk even if it was only done as a comparison.

She is now 30 days old, I don't have a weight for her today as she would not stay still long enough to get one, yesterday she was 1205gms (2lbs 10 1/2ozs) and I expect her to make 3lb+ by day 35. This is the day that most of the Breeders seem to think will give us the approximate flying weight of the Hawk.

She is bred from a Male bred by Mick Kane called Jenson who is a very large Hawk the Mother is a Chris Brown bird 4lbs+ fat weight, Paul (Hawkmaster) calls them the pair of Females this is the first time Jenson has bred we tried last year with a different Female but she would not accept him as a mate. This year with another Female he bonded well and they laid 5 eggs the first was infertile and we knew it would be as he was having trouble working out how to copulate properly and kept mounting her from the head end, there was then a gap of 7 days before the second egg was laid and we had almost given up hope of any more eggs in the clutch. They then went on to lay another 4 eggs. 1 of these was broken in the nest so we decided to remove the eggs and give them dummies to sit rather than to risk any more breakages. The weather was really bad here we had winds of 85/90 MPH that took the net off the Hack Chamber we then had a week of torrential rain and then we had a snow blizzard and night frosts. We ended up with 3 fertile eggs that ran in the incubators for 37 days at 37.4c 2 of them expired on that day and one pipped. We opened the dead eggs and found perfectly formed chicks and could find no reason why they had died before pip, the weight loss was spot on so it was just a case of some things are not meant to be. So we ended up with one chick. So at least we have something out of the season.

Her hatch weight was 47.08gms and she lost weight for 1 day and has steadily gained weight from there on.
Day 1 45.68gms
Day 2 49.75gms
Day 3 54.60gms
Day 5 76.08gms
By day 9 she was 207gms
Day 14 612gms
Day 20 920mms
Day 29 1205gms (2lbs 10 1/2ozs)

So far we are very happy with her progress and she is growing well. She spends the day in the office with us as there is always someone here along with the kid's, dog's etc she seems to be happy with the way things are here.
I will add a few pic's when I can find them on my other PC.

Now we just need to find a name for her as we can't think of one we all agree on I wanted to call her Button (as she is a daughter of Jenson :lol:) so come on Guy's and try to come up with one for us.
Terry

[RedNoseK9]

She looks great Ter and should provide some great sport

I think u should call her Clio after Sophies first car and the proclaimer in Greek Mythology!!!

[Kentish Falconry]

She looks great Ter and should provide some great sport

I think u should call her Clio after Sophies first car and the proclaimer in Greek Mythology!!!

Not a bad name there Wez but will wait and see if we get anymore ideas :)

Here are a few more Pic's I have loads but can't find them at the moment

[Shungar]

Looks as if shes going to be a beauty,and the feet!=Nice;)

I always thought the name Myra would suit a female gos:yawinkle:
Good luck with her.

[Hawkmaster]

Pretty girl Terry!

Those rings look tight:)

[Kennelre]

I'd stick with the name Button...it's a great name!!:lol:


...Rene.

[Hawkmaster]

I like Button too as it is unique and with all that lovely quarry she should prove to be right on the BUTTON!:supz:

[Kentish Falconry]

I like Button too as it is unique and with all that lovely quarry she should prove to be right on the BUTTON!:supz:

Paul I do like the name Button but I am getting grief from Sophie & Matt as they don't like it so I decided to see if anyone could come up with a better name :supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Who pays the bills?

Who is the boss?

Come on!

[Kentish Falconry]

Who pays the bills?

Who is the boss?

Come on!

OK I just told them she is called Button and no more arguments :lol:

[Hardcore Hawker]

Terry, at least when she is screaming her tits off you can just shout "Button" your lip, out the window! it may work:lol:

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry, at least when she is screaming her tits off you can just shout "Button" your lip, out the window! it may work:lol:

I am hoping she won't scream at all mate but you never know do you :lol:
If she does I will follow your instructions
Terry :)

[RedNoseK9]

Oh she will scream mate unless she is kepy fat !

[WingedReaper]

Oh she will scream mate unless she is kepy fat !

i cut her toung out wile terry was looking at the size of her feet pmsl

[RedNoseK9]

That feeling will come mate trust me !! :supz:


i cut her toung out wile terry was looking at the size of her feet pmsl

[WingedReaper]

once she is in yarak and hunting every day she will belt up .single kill outings for her for a wile .should be a laugh as long as i stay away from the flipping bridge

[RedNoseK9]

Yeah stay away from my bridge.
She will be noisy single kill or not Saxon was single killed all season except 1 outing and i flew him 44 days straight and took 45 kills and he was still noisy impeccable manners but noisy you may be lucky with so many other birds around she may be quiter.

once she is in yarak and hunting every day she will belt up .single kill outings for her for a wile .should be a laugh as long as i stay away from the flipping bridge

[Kentish Falconry]

Yeah stay away from my bridge.
She will be noisy single kill or not Saxon was single killed all season except 1 outing and i flew him 44 days straight and took 45 kills and he was still noisy impeccable manners but noisy you may be lucky with so many other birds around she may be quiter.

You can get your own Bridge in Bristol M8 we know where the Rabbits are hiding :lol:

We did not have that problem with Trojan I think she had about 10 kills and was fed on them and she stopped being a noisy bitch but all birds are individuals so anything can and will happen so a lot of it will be down to luck but there will be no shortage of quarry for her as you already know :supz:
Terry :)

[RedNoseK9]

Trojan was a swap imprint mate and usualy it is the case that they go quiet however u may get lucky you certainly are not running short of quarry no way.

[Kentish Falconry]

Trojan was a swap imprint mate and usualy it is the case that they go quiet however u may get lucky you certainly are not running short of quarry no way.

We are going to try a bit of trickery here Wez, what we are going to do is put Button on the grass at the back of the property near where the old weathering's are and then to bring her round to the main weathering lawn later on, so she will think she has been moved to another property just to see if this calling that happens with Imprinted Goshawks is just down to Imprinting on a certain area with a certain View. So we will let you know if this works or not as we go along. If you remember with Saxon 95% of the time he was here he was silent but as soon as you took him back home to your garden he kicked off again. He hardly ever called here even when you were about so I just have a feeling the noise was related to where he was and not who he was with.
What do you think :)
Terry

[Hacker]

Hmmmmm, Button as in jason?
Who started off well but has somewhat fallen behind in the order of things, could be an omen.
Give her a sex change and call her lewis LOL:lol:

[RedNoseK9]

Then she can be **** and massively overratted


Hmmmmm, Button as in jason?
Who started off well but has somewhat fallen behind in the order of things, could be an omen.
Give her a sex change and call her lewis LOL:lol:

[RedNoseK9]

I dont see this Helping mate because the bird will imprint quite strongly on the falconer and the daily surrondings ie iff she is taken into the office to be weighed and sees the weathering lawn everyday it will be part of her daily life the reason a swap imprint works so well is how dramatic the change in enviroment is to the bird.

When i take on an imprint now i accept that screaming is part of the process and try to focuses and good manners and Hunting.
The hunting you should have absolutely no problem there ( git )
Wez


We are going to try a bit of trickery here Wez, what we are going to do is put Button on the grass at the back of the property near where the old weathering's are and then to bring her round to the main weathering lawn later on, so she will think she has been moved to another property just to see if this calling that happens with Imprinted Goshawks is just down to Imprinting on a certain area with a certain View. So we will let you know if this works or not as we go along. If you remember with Saxon 95% of the time he was here he was silent but as soon as you took him back home to your garden he kicked off again. He hardly ever called here even when you were about so I just have a feeling the noise was related to where he was and not who he was with.
What do you think :)
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

I dont see this Helping mate because the bird will imprint quite strongly on the falconer and the daily surrondings ie iff she is taken into the office to be weighed and sees the weathering lawn everyday it will be part of her daily life the reason a swap imprint works so well is how dramatic the change in enviroment is to the bird.

When i take on an imprint now i accept that screaming is part of the process and try to focuses and good manners and Hunting.
The hunting you should have absolutely no problem there ( git )
Wez

Wez if she makes a noise it won't matter M8 as I don't have any neighbours to worry about. I just want to try this as an experiment for the future if it works great if not then back to the drawing board. With falcons I have found that the noisier ones tend to make the best breeding stock. As you say manners has to be top of the list for us as a guaranteed kill per day is not something we have to worry about here. The only problem we had with Trojan hunting was trying to get out for a bit longer, most days it was leave here and be back within 1/2 hour we even tried to pick the longest or most difficult flight for her but she was just too good and killed no matter what, the other problem was we would think she was going to take on a really long slip and off she would go and nail something within 50 yards of us :lol: one of the pitfalls of being surrounded by Quarry when you are single killing with a Goshawk.

[RedNoseK9]

Yeah it is definately worth a try.
Single kills will definately do the job with manners anyway


Wez if she makes a noise it won't matter M8 as I don't have any neighbours to worry about. I just want to try this as an experiment for the future if it works great if not then back to the drawing board. With falcons I have found that the noisier ones tend to make the best breeding stock. As you say manners has to be top of the list for us as a guaranteed kill per day is not something we have to worry about here. The only problem we had with Trojan hunting was trying to get out for a bit longer, most days it was leave here and be back within 1/2 hour we even tried to pick the longest or most difficult flight for her but she was just too good and killed no matter what, the other problem was we would think she was going to take on a really long slip and off she would go and nail something within 50 yards of us :lol: one of the pitfalls of being surrounded by Quarry when you are single killing with a Goshawk.

[Kentish Falconry]

We managed to weigh Button this morning, we had to find a bigger box as she just jumped out of the other one, any way we managed it and she weighed 2lbs 12 1/2 at 31 days old. I have just looked at Jim's (Outflying) bird Fletch and his Male is a long way in front of my Female in feather growth yet there is only 2 or 3 days difference in age. Before some one tells me the Females take longer to mature than the Males I already know that but I was just surprised at how much difference there was between the sexes. I haven't taken any Pic's today but will try to take some tomorrow if we are not too busy
Terry

[RedNoseK9]

Frome here on Ter it will seem like she is growing them infront your eyes it really is amazing how fst they grow each day.

[Kentish Falconry]

Frome here on Ter it will seem like she is growing them infront your eyes it really is amazing how fst they grow each day.

We see it all the time with the Falcon Chicks but there just seems to be so much difference with the Goshawks even Harris hawks don't seem to have this difference. It is just a shame we do not have another chick from the same clutch to compare it with. Never mind there is always next year
Terry

[Hawkmaster]

Got more updated pictures Terry?

[Kentish Falconry]

Got more updated pictures Terry?

Will try to take some today Paul :)

[Hawkmaster]

Come on weight update and pictures?

Where are they?
:lol:

[Hawkmaster]

OK pictures at least then please?

[MickeyDredd]

Come on weight update and pictures?

Where are they?
:lol:

OK pictures at least then please?

Nope, I think he's making you "weight"!! :oops::lol:

[Kentish Falconry]

Sorry Guy's too much going on here at the moment so I have not taken any pic's. She is feathering up nicely now but is reluctant to allow us to weigh her.
I will be a bit pushed for time over the weekend as Simon is off to London but if I get 5 mins then I will try to take some pic's for you to see
Terry :)

[Kentish Falconry]

Managed to get a few pic's not great quality but at least you can see her :supz:

[Kentish Falconry]

And a couple more :)

[RedNoseK9]

She looks great great Ter nice red tint to her !!:supz:

[Kentish Falconry]

Rings are pretty tight so I will have to watch them.
The colour is turning out nice and the Feathers have just shot out in a couple of days

[M & J Raptors]

terry

lots of mine have the same colour this year, shes looking very nice, good luck with her. i have the brother to jenson giving semen.

mick

[Kentish Falconry]

terry

lots of mine have the same colour this year, shes looking very nice, good luck with her. i have the brother to jenson giving semen.

mick

Hi Mick, Jenson is a nice bird and has shown his willingness to breed I am pleased your male has started to give semen for you he should produce some nice stock.
Did you get a Female from Jenson's mother this year?
Terry :)

[Ned]

Looking well Tel,atb ned.

[M & J Raptors]

Hi Mick, Jenson is a nice bird and has shown his willingness to breed I am pleased your male has started to give semen for you he should produce some nice stock.
Did you get a Female from Jenson's mother this year?
Terry :)

jenson is out of a bird called maggie, no eggs this year or last, she has only produced 3 males and 1 female over the last 7 years, a male called roman tommy graham has, your male, and i have the other 2 birds which have produced this year.

cheers

mick

[HorseBox]

Looks like the bird and diary are going well

[Kentish Falconry]

jenson is out of a bird called maggie, no eggs this year or last, she has only produced 3 males and 1 female over the last 7 years, a male called roman tommy graham has, your male, and i have the other 2 birds which have produced this year.

cheers

mick

Thanks for the info Mick, I had a quick look on your website and have now seen Maggie who is a very nice Female. I hope she starts to lay for you again next year
Terry :)

[Kentish Falconry]

Looks like the bird and diary are going well

Thanks Phil hope you get your laptop up and running soon. The problem I seem to have is finding enough time to do all the things I have to each day and remembering to take Pic's as well
Terry

[Hacker]

Terry, button is imprinting well, gives you the same glare as Rachel!!!!
We will have to see who ends up boss:lol::roll:

[Crawford]

Stunning Goshawk Terry, keep the weight details coming as well as the pic`s

[FalconMistress]

Terry, button is imprinting well, gives you the same glare as Rachel!!!!
We will have to see who ends up boss:lol::roll:

Trust me my mum wins everytime lol:lol:

[Kentish Falconry]

Trust me my mum wins everytime lol:lol:

Only when I let her for a bit of peace my ears can only take so many bashing's in one day :lol::lol:

[FalconMistress]

Only when I let her for a bit of peace my ears can only take so many bashing's in one day :lol::lol:

Your only saying that because she not here lol:lol::box:

[Kentish Falconry]

Your only saying that because she not here :box:

:butthead::finga::tfrag:

[FalconMistress]

:twisted::box::ctf2: The flag is normally white:lol:

[Crawford]

3 days since your last photo`s Terry, any updates.....pls

[Remington]

Not a bad name there Wez but will wait and see if we get anymore ideas :)

Here are a few more Pic's I have loads but can't find them at the moment
Just out of interest how old was the bird in the bottom two photos on this post? (page one of this thread)

[Hawkmaster]

It might be better to put a post # because some people have different amounts of posts per page (Changable in your USer CP);)

[Kentish Falconry]

Just a few pic's from last Monday I have been trying to get something better but it has not stopped raining here. She has grown on well now and is now 45 days old but as said these Pic's were taken when she was 43 days old.
We have been trying to weigh her but she just won't stay on the scales long enough :lol:
Terry

[OutFlying]

Like the colour.

Jim.

[W Jenkins]

Very nice Terry:supz::supz:

ATB

Wullie

[Kentish Falconry]

Like the colour.

Jim.

Hi Jim yes she is a nice colour and not what I expected at all. Can't wait to see her on Pheasants etc but we may have to start off with Rabbits and then build her up to Hares while we wait for the season to start, will just have to play it by ear I think she will be too big for the Black stuff :lol:
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

Very nice Terry:supz::supz:

ATB

Wullie

Hi Wullie, Thanks M8 pleased you like her.
I thought you were going to take on a Gos this year are you going for Parent reared?
Terry

[Hawkmaster]

Looking good Terry!

:lol:

[Falco Ireland]

Just a few pic's from last Monday I have been trying to get something better but it has not stopped raining here. She has grown on well now and is now 45 days old but as said these Pic's were taken when she was 43 days old.
We have been trying to weigh her but she just won't stay on the scales long enough :lol:
Terry


nice gos terry,nice ginger colour its very like a harry gilbert gos i have when he was an eyas
best of luck with her keep the photos coming
kenny,

[W Jenkins]

Hi Wullie, Thanks M8 pleased you like her.
I thought you were going to take on a Gos this year are you going for Parent reared?
Terry

Hi Terry

I am imprinting a female 50/50 bred by Goldie for a friend but things have turned that it was originally a male i was doing but hey, now caught in a dilema as my friend is adamant on the male so it looks like i will be taking her on as well as Kiesha my other goss also bred by Goldie from which we had a great season last year so things will be busy this year.

ATB

Wullie

[ParaButeo78]

Just a few pic's from last Monday I have been trying to get something better but it has not stopped raining here. She has grown on well now and is now 45 days old but as said these Pic's were taken when she was 43 days old.
We have been trying to weigh her but she just won't stay on the scales long enough :lol:
Terry

Very nice, love the colour!!

[HorseBox]

Looks good not long now

[FalconMistress]

Looks good not long now

He is counting down the days lol:lol:

[Stuart]

nice gos terry,nice ginger colour its very like a harry gilbert gos i have when he was an eyas
best of luck with her keep the photos coming
kenny,

i was thinging the same looks very much like my male terry

[FalconFred]

Hi Terry,
There a real beauty:-D:-D:-D:-D

(but hes not wrong!!!)