Planinski sokol,Lanner falcon-Falco Biarmicus

[Sokoly]

Falco biarmicus, Lanner falcon, krashki soko se naogja na planetava vo nekolku podvrsti.

1. Falco B.Abyssinicus
2. Falco B.Tanypterus
3. Falco B.Erlangeri
4. Falco B.Feldeggei
5. Falco B.biarmicus - nominal subspecies

Na Balkanot, Hrvatska, Srbija, Albanija Crna Gora, Makedonija Grcija se naogja podvidot Feldeggii.
Se raboti za sokol koj nalik mnogu potsekja na peregrinot so taa razlika shto e posvetol, na glavata ima blago crvenkasta boja koga e vo Adultno perje ( posebno mazhjacite),i opashot e podolg otkolku kaj siviot sokol. Ovoj vid na sokol e dosta rasprostarnet vo Makedonija i na****e istrazhuvanja potvrduvaat postoenje na okolu 20 parovi.Preferira aridni podrachja i se hrani so ptici do golemina na erebica ili gulab. Istrazhuvanjata okolu gnezdata na razlichni primeroci od ostatocite na hrana ni posochija deka se hrani so klukajdrvci, chuchuligi, skolovranci a poretko gulabi i erebici.

Pred 5 godini dresirav mazhjak koj potvrdi deka se raboti za ptici koi se "po meki" vo lovot sporedeno so sivite sokoli. Pochesto sakaat da lebdat od drugite sokoli i koga gi letate na mamilo imaat osobina koja potsekja na Merlin ili na GYR falcon. Imeno passovite gi pravi so brzi i strmni udari. Ovaa godina dresiram edna zhenka koja seushte bara kondiciono spremanje i koja beshe podlozhena na TAME HACK.

[Sokoly]

More fotos :-)

[Sokoly]

I plus ushte fotki

[Sokoly]

Na treva...

[Hayabusa]

:supz:luge malata e bombona :supz:
pozdrav ogi

[Jastreb]

Prekrasno!!!!!

Pozdrav Viktor

[jari]

Stra6na e:cool:

Pozdrav Ogi i Bate:supz:

[Perceval]

Bravo, Ogi.

Ubava ptica.

[Sokoly]

Denes brkajki termali kako bi ja nateral da leta povisoko napraviv edna excursia i ja pushtiv na totatalno nov teren. Poduchen od nekoi moi prijateli paraglajderisti termalite se stvaraat obichno na mesta kade shto ima karpi koi ja oddavaat toplinata od sonchevite zraci. Ovaka zatopleniot vozduh odi nagore pravejki vozdushni stolbovi pogodni za lebdenje i bez napor osvojuvanje na visini. Protolkuvano vo ptichji jazik ova bi bilo idealnata varijanta. Varijanta koja ja koristat mnogu vidovi ptici na patot do Afrika. Po vekje redovnite 20 pasovi na mamilo, sokolov ednostavno izgubi interes vo bescelnoto dejstvo i otide malku da se prosheta. Jas bi rekol da se oladi. Momentite dodeka gledate kako se povekje se diga vo visina i se podaleku od Vas, toa se edni od najvozbudlivite momenti vo ova Hobi. Se dodeka vladee neizvesnosta na prviot po seriozen let vo visina e edno odlichno chuvstvo za sokolarot. Bukvalno ne znaete dali mozhda na pticava nema da i tekne deka treba da se vrati??? Po vekje serioznoto odalechuvanje vo visochina odluchiv da go izvadam mamiloto, no se setiv deka ovaa visina na koja shto beshe sokolot treba nekako da se nagradi. Pozitivna potkrepa koja ke se vrezhe vo negovata memorija i koja postojano ke go potsekja deka koga leta visoko, neshto dobro se sluchuva! Pa izvadiv prepelica koja bi mu doshla kako prava poslasctica.Ova vo nekoi zemji ne se praktikuva, od nekoi za mene nerazbirlivi prichini. Sokolot vo toj moment se ustremi i so neverojatna preciznost go ulovi svojot obrok. Moram da priznaam deka ne beshe neshto spektakularno, no sepak na dobar pat sme. Lekcija koja ke mu se isplati podocna vo zhivotot. Iskreno sum zadovolen od uspeshniot den pa reshiv da spodelam i so Vas.

Pozdrav,:yawinkle:

[terminator]

Prvo ekstra ptica ne ekstra nego nemam zborovi
kako vtoro ekstra trenig i uste mn vakavi letovi

pozdrafff se citame

[jari]

Оги,имам едни фото на малата ако немаш нешто против може да ги качам:yawinkle:

[Sokoly]

Feldeggii Lanner, njam njam ....

[Sokoly]

Novi Fotki, trening na mamilo i kondiciono spremanje. Pred nekoj den sosema sluchajno pored mene stana jato od 12-3 erebici. Sokolov se obide da gi brka i imashe mnogu dobar "tail chase". No kako pravilo vo takvite momenti nemam koj da bide so mene da fotografira :-)

[Sokoly]

uste fotki..

[Sokoly]

:yawinkle:

[Perceval]

Ubavi fotki. Odlicen napredok. Stalno e taka. Ili nemas aparat ili nmas koj da raboti so nego. Pozdrav.

[Kraguj]

Prelepo svaka cast :supz:

[BlackShaheen10]

Very nice lanner mate!!! and great pictures:supz:

[jari]

Страшни фотки Ogi :supz:

[Sokoly]

Fala , valjda u nekoja druga prilika kje mozhe da fatam i momenti na chase i na stoop. Sega za sega seushte ne odi dovolno visoko da bi ponudila nekoj nezaboraven "stoop", ali .... rabotime na toa. :-)

[Sokoly]

Nekoi Fotki od Feldegii tiercel, go letav pred 6 god.
Tail markings of a tiercel I flew few years back.

[Sokoly]

foto feldeggii tiercel

[BlackShaheen10]

:supz::supz:

[Kraguj]

Sokoly mozes li nesto reci o pozadini sa prve slike, gde se nalazi ovo mesto,na kojoj nadmorskoj visini....jer ovo zajedno sa pticom prelepo izgleda.:supz:

[Barbary Boy]

havent understood a word of this post unfortunatly as i dont speak your language, but most of the photos were of sakers not lanners if thats what the post was about?

[Sokoly]

Sokoly mozes li nesto reci o pozadini sa prve slike, gde se nalazi ovo mesto,na kojoj nadmorskoj visini....jer ovo zajedno sa pticom prelepo izgleda.:supz:

Kraguj to je na 13 km, od mesta gde ja zhivim prelepa priroda...:supz:

[Sokoly]

havent understood a word of this post unfortunatly as i dont speak your language, but most of the photos were of sakers not lanners if thats what the post was about?

Longvings this particular species is Falco biramicus feldeggi, just like the name of the thread says, not a saker. Sakers, Gyr falcons and Lanners are believed to have a common ancestor in the Hierofalco order. Perhaps that's why it looks to you like a saker. Sakers are different than lanners, they are bigger, and if you look closer saker's have toes thicker and shorter then the lanners, in comparison to their body. I intentionaly showed some foto's of tail markings so people can see the differances.

All the best,
_____________________
www.sokolarstvo.com.mk (http://www.sokolarstvo.com.mk)

[SashMan]

how old is lanner in picture what is her/his flying weight great looking bird:supz:

[Barbary Boy]

Longvings this particular species is Falco biramicus feldeggi, just like the name of the thread says, not a saker. Sakers, Gyr falcons and Lanners are believed to have a common ancestor in the Hierofalco order. Perhaps that's why it looks to you like a saker. Sakers are different than lanners, they are bigger, and if you look closer saker's have toes thicker and shorter then the lanners, in comparison to their body. I intentionaly showed some foto's of tail markings so people can see the differances.

All the best,
_____________________
www.sokolarstvo.com.mk (http://www.sokolarstvo.com.mk)
ive had loads of lanners over the last 36yrs of many sub species and some of those pictures are definatly sakers m8?

[Sokoly]

ive had loads of lanners over the last 36yrs of many sub species and some of those pictures are definatly sakers m8?

With all do respect to your previous experiance mate, Sorry to dissapoint you, but you have obviously never flown Feldeggi lanner.
If you have some doughts you can also visit www.sokolarstvo.com.mk (http://www.sokolarstvo.com.mk) and look up in activities, where mentioned biarmicus is ment on this subspecies.
Or also you can visit the italian feldegii site take a look - to http://www.fondazionelanario.it/portal
The feldeggii subspecies resebles a saker mate but it's a separate subspecies of lanner. Perhaps your previuos experiances are with African lanners?

All the best,
_____________________
www.sokolarstvo.com.mk (http://www.sokolarstvo.com.mk)

[Sokoly]

how old is lanner in picture what is her/his flying weight great looking bird:supz:

Thanks mate :)
The last photos are of a juvenile tiercell, his flying weight was around 580 gr. roughly cause it was few years back.... :-|
The previous fotos are from a falcon Iam training at the moment and her flying weight is still being adjusted, will tell you soon.

[SashMan]

Thanks mate :)
The last photos are of a juvenile tiercell, his flying weight was around 580 gr. roughly cause it was few years back.... :-|
The previous fotos are from a falcon Iam training at the moment and her flying weight is still being adjusted, will tell you soon.
thanks for that just started training female lanner 16 weeks old approx weight 620g doing really well :supz:

[Sokoly]

1.09.08 Prv skolski den i toa uspeshen. Planinskiot uspea da ja fati svojata prva erebica. :supz: Bev so drugari koi slikaa i snimaa pa zatoa utre fotki.
May the hawking season begin :supz:

[Kraguj]

Cestitam i jos puno uspeha:supz:makar jedno jato jarebica ove sezone:lol:
Cekamo fotografije:supz:

[Sisak Goshawk]

čestitke na ulovu i neka se tako nastavi:supz:

Pozdrav Ivica

[Jastreb]

1.09.08 Prv skolski den i toa uspeshen. Planinskiot uspea da ja fati svojata prva erebica. :supz: Bev so drugari koi slikaa i snimaa pa zatoa utre fotki.
May the hawking season begin :supz:

Bravoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sokoly]

Fala sokolari, nazhalost snimcite se mnogu loshi poshto bea snimani so mobilen telefon, pa kje objavam samo nekolku fotki. Nema veze onaa prava slika uvek ostanuva kaj nas u glava i nikako nemozhe da se prenese preku video ili fotka. :supz:

[Sisak Goshawk]

Lijepe slike:heart: vrlo zahtjevna lovina:heart:

[Sokoly]

Jesu bogme. Pred dva dana breton je uspeo da pronadje 4-5 jata od po prosechno 10tak komada, al sve za dlaku mu pobegnu. Ovoga puta je bilo sve kao narucheno. Iako par puta se desi i breton da zezne stvar pa ih preplashi pre no shto mu udari miris u nos. Uochio sam da na Reflush ( kad idesh ponovo na isto jato jarebica) one su jako predostrozhnije i nedaju priliku da dogje pas i da ih markira. Ovo mozhda je i zbog drugog razloga - kad ih prvi put nadje one su duzhe vremena shetale i stajale na tom mestu-automatski i miris je jachi. A kad ih jednom krenesh onda gde god slete miris je slabiji.

[Sokoly]

Evo nas posle dugachke pauze ....
Samo 10 dana bez rada i kondicionih letova kondicija vidno opada. Sva srecha da su jarebice bile josh mirne i nisu uzletivale od psa. Al kod nas 11.10. je otvaranje lova i puca se sa svih strana. Za mesec dana lov na erebice biche puno tezhi zbog previshe lovaca i erebice normalno postaju sve iskusnije itrije i brzhe. Sva srecha da tokom godina smo nashli interesantne terene gde je lov s pushkom zabranjen a divljachi ima. :-)

Evo josh koja fotka....

Kao shto vidite nisam mu dao da pojede svoj ulov, nego probao sam ga josh jednom na jerebice ... al nishta... :-(

[Eryr]

Cracking pics! :supz:

[Hayabusa]

ooooooo odlicno majstore stenkovec odlicna lokacija za sokolot da gi pokaze svojte sposobnosti :supz:

[Jastreb]

Bravo Sokoly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Austringer27]

Lijepo jako!Zanima me imas li kakvog iskustva sa falco mexicanus?Mene on jako privlaci i zanima pa me zanima sta ti mislis o njemu i dali si letio kad?

[Goran]

Bravo Ognen,
ja sam u subotu uzeo Lannereta i danas je prazan 540 grama.Malo je kasno za poceti ali cim pocne slobodno letiti ide nazad na mitarenje.Kako su oni na grlice?Hvala i pozdrav.

[Jastreb]

Evo nova tema za Mexicanusa da ne diramo ovaj thread o biarmicusu jer je predobar!

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=951904#post951904

Pozdrav Viktor

[Sokoly]

Bravo Ognen,
ja sam u subotu uzeo Lannereta i danas je prazan 540 grama.Malo je kasno za poceti ali cim pocne slobodno letiti ide nazad na mitarenje.Kako su oni na grlice?Hvala i pozdrav.

Chestitam Gorane, :supz:

Jest malo dockan u sezonu al to nema veze prijatelju, uvek je sledecha sezona iza choshka. Znas li koje je podvrste lanneret? Ovo je bitno jer postoji razlika u preferenci plena. Oni Africhki su malo razlichitiji od Feldeggija.
Iskreno nisam pokushavao leteti na grlice, to je veoma zahtevna lovina ako mislish na one grlice koje su preselne kod nas u vreme parenja "streptopelia turtur", uzhasno brza ptica. Po mom mishljenu tezhak plen za lannera pa chak i za drugih sokola sem Merlina. Kofiguracija terena i brojnost ovog plena isto su jako bitan uslov dal ih mozhesh uspeshno redovno loviti.
Kod nas su tu na parenje tokom ljeta i vrachaju se na Jug u Septembru. To ostaje veoma malo vremena da sokoli zavrshe mititi i dok ih uvedem u lov grlice su vech otishle.
Ako ih imash tokom godine sigurno da bi se trud vishe isplatio.
Poshalji koju fotku da vidimo o kojem lanneru prichamo.
A evo i grlice...

[Jastreb]

Možda može s mužjakom peregrina :lol: :lol:

[Sokoly]

:lol: treba se pokushati :grin:

[Jastreb]

Hvala prijatelju :lol: :lol: :supz:

[Goran]

Ovdje su mourning doves a lanneret ima zute noge.poslat cu slike za par dana.

[Sokoly]

Vazhi Gorane, chekamo slike, ako su zhute noge onda nije feldeggi to je bar sigurno e sad dal se radi od tanypterusu il erlangeri videchemo od fotki. Kolko se secham morning doves su neshto kao ove nashe grlice, pa ako imash dobrog terena mislim da bi vredelo pokushati. Ovi nashi laneri u principu u prirodi jedu detliche, sheve i slichne ptice te velichine. Ajde pusti koju fotku da vidimo lepotana.

[Sokoly]

Evo neke fotke posle mitarenja - after the moult.

Pogledajte duzhinu repa i uporedite sa bilo kojim drugim sokolom, sem vetrushe :lol:.

[Jastreb]

Imat ću jednog uskoro :wink:

[Sokoly]

Chestitam na izboru. :supz:

Ljupka stvorenja.

[Sokoly]

few fotos...

[HarisBo]

Krasna ptica,jesi počeo lovit?:supz:

[Jastreb]

Ogi legendo izgleda da ću ga od tebe morat kupit :D

Ako za ništa drugo za display. To sam prvi puta probao pred 13 godina, 1997 na jednom pokaznom skupu od prijatelja mužjak, šta je radio.........da čovjek ne povjeruje :supz:

BRAVO!!!!

[Goran1709]

ubavo izmitarila na stalak li ja mitarese?

[Sokoly]

Zdravo druzhtvo,
Lanerka je trenutno kod Gorana-CHICHA, i bozhe zdravlja sledeche godine chemo je osemeniti peregrinom. Bar takav je plan :-)

Ne bojim se ja za lanerku to je fantastichna ptica TOTALNO je tiha i neoglashava se jer je master Ogi (ili Mr.MiOgy) odradio kako treba proshlih 3 god.
Nego ovaj Chicha slabo radi s muzhjakom peregrinom pa jedino on mozhe zeznut stvar. :lol:

Ako mozhemo dobiti dozvolu za jednog lannera muzhjaka ja bi ga odradio sledechu sezonu.... al imamo celu sokolarsku sezonu do tad!:supz:

SOKOLARSKI POZDRAV

[Goran1709]

ne zaboravajte i ne smetajte kako edna baba u nashe malo.Lanerkata e RODENA na 01.05.2008god. a pere.(Roky) e roden 03.05.2009god.

[Sokoly]

After a few years of research here is the paper on Macedonian Lanners-in the new FALCO issue.

Great thanks to all who participated in collecting the data.



Posle nekolku godini eve go dokumentot za Laneri vo sorabotka so Grubach i Velevski vo chasopisot FALCO.

Golema blagodarnost do site koi pomognaa vo sobiranjeto na ovie informacii.

http://www.mefrg.org/images/falco/falco35.pdf

Sokoly

[Sokoly]

Ovogodishna 2011...

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Ovogodishna 2011...

Hi Ognen,

Great to get an update on your unique thread - haven't seen any other thread that centers around true Feldeggi, so please don't stop.

Is that a new female that you're flying this season btw? As per usual, you HAVE to add more info and pictures of her as well. There is no such thing as too many pictures. :D

Best regards,
/Magnus

[Sokoly]

Thanks Magnus,
here are few more fotos of feldeggis on tame hack.

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Thanks Magnus,
here are few more fotos of feldeggis on tame hack.

:supz:

[Sokoly]

And a foto of the lanner I flew in 2008 the same bird from the beggining of this thread....

[GameHawk]

And a foto of the lanner I flew in 2008 the same bird from the beggining of this thread....

Keep updating, Its great to see a Lanner thread :supz:

[Sokoly]

Keep updating, Its great to see a Lanner thread :supz:

Thanks mate,
here is a video of conditioning one lanner falcon between two swung lures. Sorry for the quality of the video but the cameramans (Hayabusa) hands were freezing and shaking. :lol:

Her weight was 890gr, being a social imprint, allows this higher weight flying.

http://youtu.be/swmycQWTGG4

[GameHawk]

Thanks mate,
here is a video of conditioning one lanner falcon between two swung lures. Sorry for the quality of the video but the cameramans (Hayabusa) hands were freezing and shaking. :lol:

Her weight was 890gr, being a social imprint, allows this higher weight flying.

http://youtu.be/swmycQWTGG4

Fantastic video, It flies really really well :supz:
890gr!!! Is that just under 2lb's? thats huge my female flew between 1lb 4 to 1lb 6
Do you breed Feldeggi's?
Jakk

[Sokoly]

Fantastic video, It flies really really well :supz:
890gr!!! Is that just under 2lb's? thats huge my female flew between 1lb 4 to 1lb 6
Do you breed Feldeggi's?
Jakk

Jakk,

it is 1.96lb's.
But she needs to go down a bit for some serious hawking.Just to reach that point of agressivnes (which they in my opinion lack compared to peregrines).

They are smarter then peregrines though.Very soon she will become bored by lurework and ask for different setups which I am willing to give her. Would realy like to see it's potential during the course of time.

Here's the one I flew few years ago (she's being treted medicine now) :-(

This is the way I fly my birds to the lure - I wanna see that beak grasping for air.Perhaps I went a bit too far this time, but you see....she was tame hecked social imprint that was flown every single day, and she did not mind this.

http://youtu.be/XPPKbcwI1TI

[GameHawk]

Jakk,

it is 1.96lb's.
But she needs to go down a bit for some serious hawking.Just to reach that point of agressivnes (which they in my opinion lack compared to peregrines).

They are smarter then peregrines though.Very soon she will become bored by lurework and ask for different setups which I am willing to give her. Would realy like to see it's potential during the course of time.

Here's the one I flew few years ago (she's being treted medicine now) :-(

This is the way I fly my birds to the lure - I wanna see that beak grasping for air.Perhaps I went a bit too far this time, but you see....she was tame hecked social imprint that was flown every single day, and she did not mind this.

http://youtu.be/XPPKbcwI1TI

Do you find luring like this affects height when you start conditioning them for waiting on flights?
atb Jakk

[Sokoly]

Do you find luring like this affects height when you start conditioning them for waiting on flights?
atb Jakk

Yes it is true, it negativly affects the hight if done for too long time.
One must not overdo it, just enough to develop muscle mass and switch to positioning work and than gradualy pick up height.

[GameHawk]

Yes it is true, it negativly affects the hight if done for too long time.
One must not overdo it, just enough to develop muscle mass and switch to positioning work and than gradualy pick up height.

Would you not consider kiting the falcon from the off set and then throwing baggies underneath to condition the falcon to gaining height?
good thread :supz:

I'm currently trying to source a clutch of lanners next year that I will hopefully wild hack and keep a female back and see if the wild hack makes a difference to them as a falconry bird :)

[Sokoly]

Would you not consider kiting the falcon from the off set and then throwing baggies underneath to condition the falcon to gaining height?
good thread :supz:

I'm currently trying to source a clutch of lanners next year that I will hopefully wild hack and keep a female back and see if the wild hack makes a difference to them as a falconry bird :)

OH, my friend Wild or even tame hack, makes wanders to birds abilities much faster.
I tame hacked 4 lanners and two peregrines last season.
It's a bird I'am flying with my apprentice so things are progressing slowly on both parts :-D

[Hayabusa]

nesto malku sliki od Ljubica

[Hayabusa]

eve eden del od stvaranje na social imprint mnogu luge,koli ,galama,sve i svasta so cel da se napravi eden dobar imprint koj ke ja prifati cela ljudska okolina kako svoje okruzje i normalno za nego

[Hayabusa]

:heart: i izrasnata vo edna preubava ptica

[GameHawk]

I love these Lanners!, How easy/ hard is it to import them to the UK?
atb Jakk