What is this?

[OhMyGod]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/album_pic.php?pic_id=303

[Moritz]

Saker? or gyr/Saker?

[Shaun Byrne]

I would say pure Saker but unusual colouring??

[Varmint]

I would say at gyr/Sak x Pere?

Seems to have a peregrine shape head and beak but the colour and feet would suggest some Saker/Gyr, but would prob be a hybrid saker to give that sort of colour?

Prob totally wrong! :oops: :lol:

[OutOnAWing]

how about dark phase Eleanoras Falcon

[BFC 007]

pere/saker x hh ? lol :tonqe:

[GriffMJ]

Gyr/Pere Tiercel in its first moult?????

[Spudy]

saker/pere hybreed????

[OutOnAWing]

immature sooty or black falcon?



do you know what it is omg

[Saker-Clive]

Looks to me like the head has been imposed onto the body; it doesn't sit correctly on the left part where it has been joined and the 'cloning of the join isn't that good!!!!!!!!!! and there is a distinct line across it.

These flat screens show up all sorts of things! :D
with quality software................

[Saker-Clive]

Here's one of Loco and a locust, just done it in the time from last post; not brill but it shows what can be done with a little thought..........

[BrianM]

:shock: your right saker i cant even see the join,, :D :D :D :o lol

[Moses]

this is a real pic

half tiger and half lion its a liger

http://www.tigers-animal-actors.com/pom/liger.jpg

biggest cat u will ever see alot bigger than tigers and lions


http://www.tigers-animal-actors.com/about/liger/liger.html#liger

http://www.tigers-animal-actors.com/about/liger/liger.html

[Saker-Clive]

like this one :D

[Moses]

lol i prefer the real liger :D

[Moses]

nothing to do with the mixing but check this kanga making out :D

http://www.portalmix.com/pics1.jpg

and also this

dog :D

http://www.vonandrast.de/Images/Klein/Witzklein/Funny%20Animal%20Pictures%20(1).jpg

[OhMyGod]

Just wondered what people thought.

falco cherrug altaicus

Large dark subspecies of saker found in Altai mountains only, due to geographical isolation

Possibly natural hybrid of gyr/saker

[Sean]

I seen the thing on TV about the liger, was really good :)

[OutOnAWing]

i didn't realise they were that dark

[OhMyGod]

I think they can be darker

[Moritz]

They can be black like gyrs. I think they are natural hybrides from Sakers and Gyrs. Are they bigger then normal Sakers?

Moritz

[Jonny]

I have the answer!
I recognised the picture and looked through one of my falconry books (Falconry and birds of prey in the gulf) and there it was!
To answer your question, it is an Altai saker (Falco cherrug altaicus). It was previously thought to be a natural hybrid between the gyr falcon and the saker. It occurs in the Altai Mountains of Asia.
Hope i helped!
Jonny.

[OhMyGod]

yes, didn't think many would have that book jonny!!

You sussed me out.

I'm sure it's different in dubai, I have been there and seen altai even darker with less barring than this one. But here in the uk I have seen people telling others they have an altai saker which obviously is not altai!!

Altai puts the price up conciderably and I have not seen a pure altai hear yet.

I think this is a good picture as you can see what colour is should be when it's immature, as well as when it's an adult.

[Jonny]

Well glad to have helped!
Jonny.

[Athene]

I thought those were called sinjari...

[OhMyGod]

by arabs yeah

The dark phase altai falcon is trapped around mount sinjar and smuggled to the arab countries where it is sold as a sinjari.

Unfortunately now is almost extinct

[Shaun Byrne]

I would say pure Saker but unusual colouring??


And I aint got the book :lol:

Just good at guessing :D

[Dude]

the first pic is an altai or chinese saker....
regards,
Dan.

[EddieT]

I prefer the real liger's trainer!!

[Coedhirion]

Real good photos, Saker- Sucker,
did you edit them yourself?? creep in to the cage??? or find them some where????

[Saker-Clive]

I did the Loco-hopper just for fun but the Frogadile lives at the bottom of the garden :razz: :roll: :shock:

[Coedhirion]

I did fancy an eagles feet on my Harris, thought that would realy make people envious. I can get the joins in the animals OK, its making the background fit together. I guess I'd do better if I actualy read some of the help files in 'photoshop' :lol: Trouble is it all gets a bit complicated with layers an things!!! How long do they take to do, an do you use a morph type program or photoshop or something. :? :?

[Hawkmaster]

OK BUT what is it?

[Coedhirion]

Hoco-lopper and a Drogafile !!! :lol: :roll: :? :yawinkle:

[Hawkmaster]

No, the bird, OMG asked about.

[Tim Laycock]

I cant tell whats real from whats not! :? :rolleyes: :wink: :lol:

[Coedhirion]

They are all real of course!! the camera never lies :lol: :roll: :yawinkle:
:lol: :roll: :yawinkle: :lol: :roll: :yawinkle:

[OhMyGod]

The bird in my post has not been edited and is a picture of a true bird.

Altai saker

You can read my earlier posts for more info

[Coedhirion]

AAAAAHHHH....Thanks OMG.... an for putting hawkmaster outa his misery :lol: :cry: :lol: