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Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?
ZXBravo
18-07-2008, 06:43 PM
Bloody hell, you going a bit soppy in your old age mate?
Those long nights all on your own must really be getting to you!:lol:
Kennelre
18-07-2008, 06:58 PM
Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?
Passion involves sacrifice..it's the nature of the beast. Sometimes passion can slip into obsession..and that removes the joy and replaces it with a headache!! The bad weather, you referred to in an earler post, will pass. Sometimes you just need to pull a beer and watch a movie...and remind yourself that true wealth lies in the ability to do what you love. In that respect you give every appearance of being a wealthy man!!
...Rene.
JazzyBird
18-07-2008, 07:02 PM
remind yourself that true wealth lies in the ability to do what you love. In that respect you give every appearance of being a wealthy man!!
...Rene.
well said.......wealth isnt all about money :supz:
helps though!! lol
Taowolf
18-07-2008, 07:37 PM
Passion involves sacrifice..it's the nature of the beast. Sometimes passion can slip into obsession..and that removes the joy and replaces it with a headache!! The bad weather, you referred to in an earler post, will pass. Sometimes you just need to pull a beer and watch a movie...and remind yourself that true wealth lies in the ability to do what you love. In that respect you give every appearance of being a wealthy man!!
...Rene.
Top notch Rene:lol:
Couldnt of put it better myself, i think we all sacrifice something along the way but the answer is to remember the goal at all times.
Regards Cam.
Bazzer
18-07-2008, 08:52 PM
Time puts all things right in the end Dean.
One day you will be retired like me, and if your legs hold out you can do as much hawking as you like.
Bazzer
WingedReaper
18-07-2008, 08:55 PM
im skint single fat and ugly think yourself lucky bring on the season
Tony123ABC
18-07-2008, 09:07 PM
No sacrifice at all. I found a great woman who would settle for a dumpy man. The lovely wife has made it easy.
Bloody hell, you going a bit soppy in your old age mate?
Those long nights all on your own must really be getting to you!:lol:
Whats getting to me Steve is,Ive gotta work for a bloody living and for once gotta fit in my falconry around that!!!!!!!Still,I,d rather suffer nights and get 5 hours of daylight in before settling myself and my birds in!!!!You,ll be off to work and I,ll be of to Branty,s.........!!!!!:supz::wink:
SharpTail
19-07-2008, 06:50 AM
Dean,
Your words have not fallen on deaf ears here. A wealthy friend(breeder) once commented that I had "wrecked my life for sport". He is wrong! Now past my prime, I am in the same monitary straights as most of my countrymen, except I may have seen perhaps 10,000 stoops and many a bird fall.
Someone around here said that life is for hawking...you can sleep when you are dead. In the past I was tired all the time, from work and hawking. After a big weekend hawking I would look forward to going back to work to get a little rest if I could get a little slack, and then hawk all through the work week too. In order to hawk grouse here in this manor, where the grouse are, excepting a low wage is the norm. Now I take Sundays off and rest, I feel much better and not so empty headed! I do not understand how some can keep up the pace that they discribe, but do remember having more drive in my younger days. Certainly I did not have better birds.
Recently, I was in a graveyard paying respect to my wifes ancestors. I read many old tombstones, none were very remarkable, though some were quite beautiful. I plan for mine to acknowlege my maker and his gifts, also to express my many years of joy practicing this sport. In addition, I plan to have a plaque on the wall of rememberance, at the archive of falconry.
I have found that it gives me great satisfaction to be acknowleged by those whom I respect in my field. This plays a major role in the reason that I spend my time on forums like this one. It is important to be acknowledged and to acknowledge those with whom you have a common understanding. I think I know pretty close to where you are comming from, ROCK STEADY MY FRIEND... Jeff in Wyoming
Great reply as always Rene!!
Whats getting to me Steve is,Ive gotta work for a bloody living and for once gotta fit in my falconry around that!!!!!!!Still,I,d rather suffer nights and get 5 hours of daylight in before settling myself and my birds in!!!!You,ll be off to work and I,ll be of to Branty,s.........!!!!!:supz::wink:
Dean,
The majority of us falconers have to work for a living it's called "life" and most of us pay our way in society. For me falconry is a hobby/passion not an obsession which in turn helps me get through my stressful working week.;)
Tezz
Paul64
19-07-2008, 09:47 AM
Hi Dean,
I think some of us are lucky enough to have our own businesses and work from home.
I have a website and sell bodyshop tools I don't make much out of it at all but what it gives me is freedom to do what I want when I want.
It is something you could consider, an easy way is to sell stuff on ebay and then you could possibly take on a part time job giving you more time.
I know it sounds easy and believe me when you start out it certainly isnt! but time down the road and things do get easier.
To give you an idea, I am now into my 4th year of trading and doing my 2nd website to be based mainly in Europe.
There's a lot of satisfaction building something up from nothing and when you want a break from it.....you can take your birds out flying any time of the day, any day.
Dean,
The majority of us falconers have to work for a living it's called "life" and most of us pay our way in society. For me falconry is a hobby/passion not an obsession which in turn helps me get through my stressful working week.;)
Tezz
Tezz,Are you honestly telling me that falconry cannot be more stressful than work,forget getting stressed at work!Believe me,now you have started to fly longwings your stress has only just began!!If your dogs used to stress you,falcons will do you in for good!!! There are falconers on this site that I have seen acting really psychotic in the field,they all know who they are its just a matter of selective memories!Talking the game is easy,trying to win it aint!
OutFlying
19-07-2008, 10:04 AM
Making sacrifices ain't limited to longwings :lol:
Making sacrifices ain't limited to longwings :lol:
I know that mate,I flew shortwings/broadwings for the first 20 odd years and played with falcons in between,sacrificed most things normal people do for them.Its just that longwinging takes up more preperation once they are ready for the field thats all,day in,day out!Sacrifices must be made to train and fly gosses regularly more so than falcons during training,gone are the days when the odd rabbit and moorhen satisfied the shortwinger,the challenges are immense nowadays!!
OutFlying
19-07-2008, 10:32 AM
Morning Dean,
I worked for a firm based in scotland for ten years, working from home. Flying the gos through the winter cost me around £5000 in lost overtime compared to the next lowest paid engineer. Always over drawn at the the bank, but get to fly daily.
Wouldn't change a thing, your only here once - life isn't a rehersal.
Jim.
Morning Dean,
I worked for a firm based in scotland for ten years, working from home. Flying the gos through the winter cost me around £5000 in lost overtime compared to the next lowest paid engineer. Always over drawn at the the bank, but get to fly daily.
Wouldn't change a thing, your only here once - life isn't a rehersal.
Jim.
Good on ya Jim,I suppose Ive done just about what Ive wanted up till now,law unto oneself you may say!!!Never had what some call the best,houses,cars etc........but sure done the rounds a bit!!:supz:Some work damn hard just to pay the bills nowadays,forget that,rather live in a caravan and go hawking everyday!!!
MattSpar
19-07-2008, 01:07 PM
Not for the rich obviously!
I won't bother posting then.
GameHawker
19-07-2008, 01:22 PM
Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?
Some of us are single Dean but not rich yet but I make do.
Carl
Tezz,Are you honestly telling me that falconry cannot be more stressful than work,forget getting stressed at work!Believe me,now you have started to fly longwings your stress has only just began!!If your dogs used to stress you,falcons will do you in for good!!! There are falconers on this site that I have seen acting really psychotic in the field,they all know who they are its just a matter of selective memories!Talking the game is easy,trying to win it aint!
Dean I cannot see why I would get stressed over something I enjoy, as long
as you except that things can go wrong and more than likely will, no big deal. If I was going to get stressed then last season would have showed training a
falcon and a hot headed setter. Both are spot on if I may say so don't you think that would have been the time for "stress".
Work is part of my life, without it, I wouldn't have the birds that I have now and the dog that I travelled to Ireland for,the pigeons that are in my loft and not forgetting to mention the savings I have aside for when I have the chance to buy a place in a partridge syndicate ( hint to those are reading and have a syndicate ).
Don't get me wrong I hate work but I have to do it unless you can offer me a solution. You forgot I trained my first falcon in 1996 to the kite and flew it the following season then after that I flew an Anutum which I lost but didn't get stressed over, then my wife fell pregnant so I took time out flying for a few years but still kept involved in longwings, I don't profess to have the experience you have with falcons as you have flown many but I can never understand why at the end of each season you move that bird on. Surely the following season would be even better as the falcon matures and gains experience.
Talking the game is easy, trying to win aint!
I'm glad it's not easy that's what makes it so rewarding when a set up comes together. Last season was unbelievable for me, working my dog up to a piont then releasing the falcon and waiting for her to get to her pitch and then me and my dog taking control of the flush was just out of this world. The thing is it's just gonna get better.:lol:
Stop worrying about the weather and go and get that Tiercel:supz:
Tezz
Dean I cannot see why I would get stressed over something I enjoy, as long
as you except that things can go wrong and more than likely will, no big deal. If I was going to get stressed then last season would have showed training a
falcon and a hot headed setter. Both are spot on if I may say so don't you think that would have been the time for "stress".
Work is part of my life, without it, I wouldn't have the birds that I have now and the dog that I travelled to Ireland for,the pigeons that are in my loft and not forgetting to mention the savings I have aside for when I have the chance to buy a place in a partridge syndicate ( hint to those are reading and have a syndicate ).
Don't get me wrong I hate work but I have to do it unless you can offer me a solution. You forgot I trained my first falcon in 1996 to the kite and flew it the following season then after that I flew an Anutum which I lost but didn't get stressed over, then my wife fell pregnant so I took time out flying for a few years but still kept involved in longwings, I don't profess to have the experience you have with falcons as you have flown many but I can never understand why at the end of each season you move that bird on. Surely the following season would be even better as the falcon matures and gains experience.
Talking the game is easy, trying to win aint!
I'm glad it's not easy that's what makes it so rewarding when a set up comes together. Last season was unbelievable for me, working my dog up to a piont then releasing the falcon and waiting for her to get to her pitch and then me and my dog taking control of the flush was just out of this world. The thing is it's just gonna get better.:lol:
Stop worrying about the weather and go and get that Tiercel:supz:
Tezz
Tezz,you know I,m a definately not an optimist and as I get older I get worse,its just that i,m proved right so many times!!Last season you attempted a perlin at redlegs,the dog set the game,the perlin came into your ideal position and you flushed perfectly!Why in your own mind do you think you were unsuccesful in the hunt??I have an idea,but mine would only be theoretical as I didnt witness the flights!!I tell you something though,get the same set ups regularly this season with your tiercel and you will make that game hawk you seek!!!Keep us posted on his progress and dont get stressed when things turn shall we say,gingerly!!!!:lol:
Tezz,you know I,m a definately not an optimist and as I get older I get worse,its just that i,m proved right so many times!!Last season you attempted a perlin at redlegs,the dog set the game,the perlin came into your ideal position and you flushed perfectly!Why in your own mind do you think you were unsuccesful in the hunt??I have an idea,but mine would only be theoretical as I didnt witness the flights!!I tell you something though,get the same set ups regularly this season with your tiercel and you will make that game hawk you seek!!!Keep us posted on his progress and dont get stressed when things turn shall we say,gingerly!!!!:lol:
Dean the bird may have been unsuccesful by way of not catching,
for me everything went to plan also they were greys mate wouldn't be able to piont on reds that would hold unless the bird was grass cutting. Without sounding big headed I've made the gamehawk already apart from the lack of numbers of kills she has done all what was expected of her for her first season
getting very good pitch a commanding position.
Tezz
Hawking
20-07-2008, 06:18 AM
Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?
In saying you sacrifice to much.....are you implying it was not worth it?
I have a very understanding wife:heart:, seven wonderful young children:supz:(11yrs to 6 wks old), house, full time job and am certainly not wealthy.....and spend every evening, minus some family functions(most times she comes with us) flying my Falcon, come winter it will mean earlier mournings to work and afternoons to evenings flying. Are you saying sacrificing what one may consider a "normal life", not worth the pay off? Can't say I follow you here.....Although you might have gathered I don't value "normal" very highly:rolleyes: No worry's Bring it on.
Dean the bird may have been unsuccesful by way of not catching,
for me everything went to plan also they were greys mate wouldn't be able to piont on reds that would hold unless the bird was grass cutting. Without sounding big headed I've made the gamehawk already apart from the lack of numbers of kills she has done all what was expected of her for her first season
getting very good pitch a commanding position.
Tezz
Tezz,It doesnt sound bigheaded at all,loads of falconers,including beginners have trained birds to wait on perfectly,as I may have mentioned before even kestrels can be trained to wait at vast heights above the trainer!!But,we can all say it"Dont care if my bird catches nothing as long as it flies high and in position"!Dont believe a word of it,we fly hawks and falcons to hunt with,and succesfully if we can!!!Yes the barrel over and the stoop are the main spectacle but if we wish to see this we can go watch a display! There is nothing like game winnowing down beneath the strike of your self trained falcon,and after he/she has delivered the coupe de gras,taking it and placing it in your vest!!!Do you think your Perlin will take a lot more PARTRIDGE this season than she did last,and why????If she doesnt would you still not be disappointed?
In saying you sacrifice to much.....are you implying it was not worth it?
I have a very understanding wife:heart:, seven wonderful young children:supz:(11yrs to 6 wks old), house, full time job and am certainly not wealthy.....and spend every evening, minus some family functions(most times she comes with us) flying my Falcon, come winter it will mean earlier mournings to work and afternoons to evenings flying. Are you saying sacrificing what one may consider a "normal life", not worth the pay off? Can't say I follow you here.....Although you might have gathered I don't value "normal" very highly:rolleyes: No worry's Bring it on.
Would you still have an understanding wife if you simply didnt work to fly your falcons/hawks!Mate believe me,youve made no sacrifices at all!!!
Tezz,It doesnt sound bigheaded at all,loads of falconers,including beginners have trained birds to wait on perfectly,as I may have mentioned before even kestrels can be trained to wait at vast heights above the trainer!!But,we can all say it"Dont care if my bird catches nothing as long as it flies high and in position"!Dont believe a word of it,we fly hawks and falcons to hunt with,and succesfully if we can!!!Yes the barrel over and the stoop are the main spectacle but if we wish to see this we can go watch a display! There is nothing like game winnowing down beneath the strike of your self trained falcon,and after he/she has delivered the coupe de gras,taking it and placing it in your vest!!!Do you think your Perlin will take a lot more PARTRIDGE this season than she did last,and why????If she doesnt would you still not be disappointed?
Of cause we all want our falcons to catch thats the hole piont of hunting.
For me I don't crave for big numbers in kills I'm out for quality therefore in the
field my dog has to perform as well as my falcon.
Trying to auchestrate a set up from a piont is more challenging than from a pond with ducks. So when I go hunting and get a set up with my dog on piont and falcon 800ft plus in positon regardless if it kills or not cela est la perfection.
I think my Perlin will catch a lot more partridge this season.
Dave G quotes There's an old saying that some eyase's brains don't turn up until their blue suits and with some hawks this is correct.
I agree with this as long as the ground work as been done then it just a matter of time.
Tezz
Judd Casper
20-07-2008, 10:09 AM
Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?Hi Dean....a quote from Art Haschak which i like by living and loving the here and now we will not grow old with regrets...I have made sacrifices for my falconry and havent regretted it one bit .....your way to long dead and for all the money and possessions we make on this earth we can take none of it with us, so enjoy your falconry while you can.
Sam
Hi Dean....a quote from Art Haschak which i like by living and loving the here and now we will not grow old with regrets...I have made sacrifices for my falconry and havent regretted it one bit .....your way to long dead and for all the money and possessions we make on this earth we can take none of it with us, so enjoy your falconry while you can.
Sam
I agree Sam enjoy it while you can you only live once, have been on deaths door mate Deans knows. My point is you need to work to fund your sport unless you are lucky and have been inherited money.
So are you saying for me to become a "longwinger" I need to sacrifice my work, my wife or my house to become one.
To end this I would just say that yours and Deans ways are selfish life isn't just about ones self for I have a wife and kids pay my way in society and am still able to do what I love.
Tezz
Judd Casper
20-07-2008, 11:06 AM
I agree Sam enjoy it while you can you only live once, have been on deaths door mate Deans knows. My point is you need to work to fund your sport unless you are lucky and have been inherited money.
So are you saying for me to become a "longwinger" I need to sacrifice my work, my wife or my house to become one.
To end this I would just say that yours and Deans ways are selfish life isn't just about ones self for I have a wife and kids pay my way in society and am still able to do what I love.
TezzHi Tezz like you i have a wife and kids and a mortgage two cars and all that goes with it but i find work that fits around my falconry so that i can get out every day if i wish.My wife would say i am selfish and could work more hours get a better paid job than the one i have and earn more money but to me winter daylight is precious and i need to be out in it, though with the price of fuel i now pick my day's depending on the weather,but like you i need to work to fund my sport. I know i could earn more in a different job but then i would have to sacrifice my game hawking...its a no brainer.
Sam
Hi Tezz like you i have a wife and kids and a mortgage two cars and all that goes with it but i find work that fits around my falconry so that i can get out every day if i wish.My wife would say i am selfish and could work more hours get a better paid job than the one i have and earn more money but to me winter daylight is precious and i need to be out in it, though with the price of fuel i now pick my day's depending on the weather,but like you i need to work to fund my sport. I know i could earn more in a different job but then i would have to sacrifice my game hawking...its a no brainer.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Sounds like your in the same position as me. When the winter months come I am still able to fly two or three days a week due to keeping my annual holiday till this time. I suppose that's my sacrifice.
Tezz
Of cause we all want our falcons to catch thats the hole piont of hunting.
For me I don't crave for big numbers in kills I'm out for quality therefore in the
field my dog has to perform as well as my falcon.
Trying to auchestrate a set up from a piont is more challenging than from a pond with ducks. So when I go hunting and get a set up with my dog on piont and falcon 800ft plus in positon regardless if it kills or not cela est la perfection.
I think my Perlin will catch a lot more partridge this season.
Dave G quotes There's an old saying that some eyase's brains don't turn up until their blue suits and with some hawks this is correct.
I agree with this as long as the ground work as been done then it just a matter of time.
Tezz
Tezz,I agree here totally,Duckhawking is the simplest form of gamehawking!!!And yes,thats why I practise it!!Really dont want my falconry too challenging,I dont multi-task easily!!!!And Dave is correct some eyas,s brains dont turn up until they have turned blue,but not many!!God knows Ive flew enough,most are different and theres enough challenge for me there every season!!Some make one decent falcon in a lifetime and go write a book on gamehawking,Ive trained many and am still learning!!
Tezz,I agree here totally,Duckhawking is the simplest form of gamehawking!!!And yes,thats why I practise it!!Really dont want my falconry too challenging,I dont multi-task easily!!!!And Dave is correct some eyas,s brains dont turn up until they have turned blue,but not many!!God knows Ive flew enough,most are different and theres enough challenge for me there every season!!Some make one decent falcon in a lifetime and go write a book on gamehawking,Ive trained many and am still learning!!
I'm glad we agree on somthing then:)
Tezz
Hawking
20-07-2008, 06:19 PM
Would you still have an understanding wife if you simply didnt work to fly your falcons/hawks!Mate believe me,youve made no sacrifices at all!!!
Yes if I could provide for her and quite my job to hawk she would be good with that(currently looking for gainful employment in falconry, best of both worlds:supz:) Be it a large pay cut.
I don't see giving something up for the priviledge of hawking as sacrifice. It is a choice. It may seem like splitting hairs but in the end we choose what we pursue. I "sacrifice" ,if that is what we shall call it, what is mine, no more, no less. I agree with Tezz here. To give up what is mine is one thing, but to give up what belongs to the ones I love is another. Yes "we" as a family "sacrifice", the bank account is eternally drained, decisions involving life also take into account the bops. where we live, what we do, careers, money or lack there of. These are not so much Sacrifices as they are lifestyle choices. No regrets just choices.
Yes if I could provide for her and quite my job to hawk she would be good with that(currently looking for gainful employment in falconry, best of both worlds:supz:) Be it a large pay cut.
I don't see giving something up for the priviledge of hawking as sacrifice. It is a choice. It may seem like splitting hairs but in the end we choose what we pursue. I "sacrifice" ,if that is what we shall call it, what is mine, no more, no less. I agree with Tezz here. To give up what is mine is one thing, but to give up what belongs to the ones I love is another. Yes "we" as a family "sacrifice", the bank account is eternally drained, decisions involving life also take into account the bops. where we live, what we do, careers, money or lack there of. These are not so much Sacrifices as they are lifestyle choices. No regrets just choices.
Perfectly put, my sentiments exactly! I'm glad that someone understands where I was coming from.
Tezz:supz:
Perfectly put, my sentiments exactly! I'm glad that someone understands where I was coming from.
Tezz:supz:
Tezz,I dont think anyone understands where I,m coming from,I like it that way!!!!!!Never let your right hand know what your left hands doin!!!!:twisted:
CloudBase1664
20-07-2008, 09:18 PM
Dean the bird may have been unsuccesful by way of not catching,
for me everything went to plan also they were greys mate wouldn't be able to piont on reds that would hold unless the bird was grass cutting. Without sounding big headed I've made the gamehawk already apart from the lack of numbers of kills she has done all what was expected of her for her first season
getting very good pitch a commanding position.
Tezz
Tezz
There is a saying
" The size of the bag is not the way to measure how enjoyable a day you've had but it is the only way to measure how successful you have been"
In the end you will crave kills if not for yourself then for your hawk .If you enjoyed sport at greys with your perlin you will find a tiercel even better .How they kill their greys is an enjoyable element of a flight that is lacking with a perlin due to it's lack of weight.
Dave
Well thats it,decision made,Ive decided!!Am definately not pulling my tiercel!!Although he is a beauty and would cost me nil,I am saving hard to get outta this country,for that I have to work,I can change my shift to early mornings but this would still not give me enough time for a longwing come early last knockings during winter!As I have said I have been fortunate to fly falcons solidly day in day out for the past fifteen, years or so,part time longwinging would only depress me.I feel he is far better off with a falconer that can do him justice!I will retire from falconry for a while until I get out to Spain,am going to enjoy my harris,ferrets and dog till then,totally stress free!!!!!Wish all you longwingers a good season,kill some duck for me,jammy ********!!!!!
Hawking
21-07-2008, 05:51 AM
Well hat off to you, sounds like you have had a good run. Hope it all works out for you. Besides nothing wrong with a Harris.
Well hat off to you, sounds like you have had a good run. Hope it all works out for you. Besides nothing wrong with a Harris.
Thanx mate,Flying longwings is all about prep and no housework can compensate field work,not for me anyhow!Ive had some damn good times with em,seen and witnessed various species,made up my own mind which are the best for certain terrains etc......shall take maybe one or two out to spain with me and see the challenges there!!Oh,and an harris of course,never seen so many rabbits in the plateaud orchards!Duck were not identified but frequent blue pools in small rocky areas!
Pete Kent
21-07-2008, 08:20 AM
I am willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for my falconry . . . I will sacrifice my mother-in-law, in fact I will sacrifice her for any other forum members' falconry, that's how committed I am !
Tezz
There is a saying
" The size of the bag is not the way to measure how enjoyable a day you've had but it is the only way to measure how successful you have been"
In the end you will crave kills if not for yourself then for your hawk .If you enjoyed sport at greys with your perlin you will find a tiercel even better .How they kill their greys is an enjoyable element of a flight that is lacking with a perlin due to it's lack of weight.
Dave
Hi Dave,
I agree with you totally, I do crave for kills but they have got to come from a height that the falcon has been trained and conditioned for. There were many set ups that I had last year where the Perlin was at a cracking pitch
hard to see if you took your eye off her and when we flushed she dropped like a stone but just failed to connect.
I have a few theories to this, one you have already mentioned, another is that she had always been served singles in her training and then to go hunting she was dealing with multiples five or more maybe the multiples were a bit intimidating or she just selected the wrong one. My other theory is she was served too many manufactured ones who knows only this season will tell. What I can say is when we was hunting she was definitely up for it she even surprised me on one set up were instead of Greys bursting out it was a hen Pheasant which she knocked
down to the ground stunned, upon which I was glad she didn't follow down and bind to it on the floor.
The kill that she did have came from a pitch of about 800 ft plus from what we thought to be a duff point but what we realized after, was while she was mounting they had crept along the hedge line to a
distance they thought was safe and could make a break for it. They broke
cover which the Perlin spotted but she was behind us out of position she didn't loose any height she just cut across the sky until she got what looked to be in front of them and just dropped like a stone out of our site.
We had to track her for about 15 mins but we new she was on the floor.
When we got to her you can imagine how I felt when I saw a scattering of feathers and the plough and there in the hedge she was tucking in to her just reward. What I experienced last year is what I want out of Gamehawking and having a new member to my team carrying more weight it will just get better for me I hope.
I don't intend to, but if I am coming across as being Mr confident, Mr had success with one falcon now he thinks he's the dogs b......s then I apologize.
I am a person who has always had a passion for longwings even in my youth full days flying spars and other hawks.
PS all the best with Wilma nice looking falcon I believe my friend may have her brother.
Tezz
Tezz
There is a saying
" The size of the bag is not the way to measure how enjoyable a day you've had but it is the only way to measure how successful you have been"
In the end you will crave kills if not for yourself then for your hawk .If you enjoyed sport at greys with your perlin you will find a tiercel even better .How they kill their greys is an enjoyable element of a flight that is lacking with a perlin due to it's lack of weight.
Dave
Hi Dave,
I agree with you totally, I do crave for kills but they have got to come from a height that the falcon has been trained and conditioned for. There were many set ups that I had last year where the Perlin was at a cracking pitch
hard to see if you took your eye off her and when we flushed she dropped like a stone but just failed to connect.
I have a few theories to this, one you have already mentioned, another is that she had always been served singles in her training and then to go hunting she was dealing with multiples five or more maybe the multiples were a bit intimidating or she just selected the wrong one. My other theory is she was served too many manufactured ones who knows only this season will tell. What I can say is when we was hunting she was definitely up for it she even surprised me on one set up were instead of Greys bursting out it was a hen Pheasant which she knocked
down to the ground stunned, upon which I was glad she didn't follow down and bind to it on the floor.
The kill that she did have came from a pitch of about 800 ft plus from what we thought to be a duff point but what we realized after, was while she was mounting they had crept along the hedge line to a
distance they thought was safe and could make a break for it. They broke
cover which the Perlin spotted but she was behind us out of position she didn't loose any height she just cut across the sky until she got what looked to be in front of them and just dropped like a stone out of our site.
We had to track her for about 15 mins but we new she was on the floor.
When we got to her you can imagine how I felt when I saw a scattering of feathers and the plough and there in the hedge she was tucking in to her just reward. What I experienced last year is what I want out of Gamehawking and having a new member to my team carrying more weight it will just get better for me I hope.
I don't intend to, but if I am coming across as being Mr confident, Mr had success with one falcon now he thinks he's the dogs b......s then I apologize.
I am a person who has always had a passion for longwings even in my youth full days flying spars and other hawks.
PS all the best with Wilma, nice looking falcon I believe my friend may have her brother.
Tezz
PS all the best with Wilma, nice looking falcon I believe my friend may have her brother.
Tezz
Hi Dave
Please excuse me of my mistake:oops:
CloudBase1664
21-07-2008, 09:21 PM
and when we flushed she dropped like a stone but just failed to connect.
I have a few theories to this,
If I were you I would stick to wild coveys and get her on them as soon as the season is on us .As a rule if the flush goes as planned with the hawk in position the first bird to rise is a cock bird usually an old bird .This is the first bird your hawk will see and focus on .It will know exactly where it is going and have a few tricks up it's sleeve if it needs them .Nevertheless she will soon get good on them.If they flush wild while your hawk is out of position she will as a rule single out a young hen .This is probably what she killed last season .If she changes birds in the stoop she will probably miss:lol:
. What I experienced last year is what I want out of Gamehawking and having a new member to my team carrying more weight it will just get better for me I hope.
I would be interested to hear how you get on with the kite trained tiercel .I have seen some very good kite trained hawks but they havn't ticked as many boxes as the traditionally trained gamehawks.I'm training a Falcon called The Floosie (Wilma is Carl Cheshire's) .
Dave
Tezz[/QUOTE]
and when we flushed she dropped like a stone but just failed to connect.
I have a few theories to this,
If I were you I would stick to wild coveys and get her on them as soon as the season is on us .As a rule if the flush goes as planned with the hawk in position the first bird to rise is a cock bird usually an old bird .This is the first bird your hawk will see and focus on .It will know exactly where it is going and have a few tricks up it's sleeve if it needs them .Nevertheless she will soon get good on them.If they flush wild while your hawk is out of position she will as a rule single out a young hen .This is probably what she killed last season .If she changes birds in the stoop she will probably miss:lol:
. What I experienced last year is what I want out of Gamehawking and having a new member to my team carrying more weight it will just get better for me I hope.
I would be interested to hear how you get on with the kite trained tiercel .I have seen some very good kite trained hawks but they havn't ticked as many boxes as the traditionally trained gamehawks.I'm training a Falcon called The Floosie (Wilma is Carl Cheshire's) .
Dave
Tezz[/quote]
Ditto!!!!!!!
Nig295
22-07-2008, 12:52 PM
Not for the rich obviously!Over the years I have sacrificed loads because of my love for flying hawks/falcons,looking back now far too much!!!Many say I have been lucky to fly continuously winter after winter,it has cost me greatly!!!Even now I have to work to pay my way I am still making sacrifices working hateful night shifts in a dump!Simply there is no other way if I wish to attempt to fly falcons daily through our winter months!Just wondering how do others cope come the days of 3pm last knockings??Are all longwingers single and rich?
Dean, you must get paid an enormous wage to pay for the upbringing of 8 children and practice falconry winter after winter.
Dean, you must get paid an enormous wage to pay for the upbringing of 8 children and practice falconry winter after winter.
If you only knew,If you only knew!!!!!!!!!!!Never lived what some would call the norm!!!I am 49yrs old,have practised falconry since I was 15 and thats all ive done,had no interest in anything else really!I have only just began to live in the normal world,anyone who knows me will tell you!It has been an obsession.......!Not proud of it,but its true!!!As for wages,I have made do,not really done without anything,just not had the best of everything!There used to be more ways to earn money than work!:wink:
Just thinking on my last post,my Mother,God rest her soul!She used to tell family and friends how I used to draw and study the kesrel(hover-hawk) at the age of 4-5,if the bird books she bought me didnt have a bird of prey in them I would cry,how many times I nearly got run over run:-Dning towards a kestrel that had stooped down on wasteground!My stepfather had chickens,I used to tie bootlaces bout their legs to pretend they were falcons/hawks!Now where did this all come from?I honestly dont know!!!!My favourite of all was the harpy eagle,if I ever found a photo I would draw it and pin it on my bedroom wall!
and when we flushed she dropped like a stone but just failed to connect.
I have a few theories to this,
If I were you I would stick to wild coveys and get her on them as soon as the season is on us .As a rule if the flush goes as planned with the hawk in position the first bird to rise is a cock bird usually an old bird .This is the first bird your hawk will see and focus on .It will know exactly where it is going and have a few tricks up it's sleeve if it needs them .Nevertheless she will soon get good on them.If they flush wild while your hawk is out of position she will as a rule single out a young hen .This is probably what she killed last season .If she changes birds in the stoop she will probably miss:lol:
. What I experienced last year is what I want out of Gamehawking and having a new member to my team carrying more weight it will just get better for me I hope.
I would be interested to hear how you get on with the kite trained tiercel .I have seen some very good kite trained hawks but they havn't ticked as many boxes as the traditionally trained gamehawks.I'm training a Falcon called The Floosie (Wilma is Carl Cheshire's) .
Dave
Tezz[/QUOTE]
Dave
Thanks for your comments and advice have taken it on board. This year she will have a lot more hunting than she did last year so fingers crossed.
I will keep you posted on my tiercels progress through pms rather than posting if that's ok?
Good luck with Floosie hope she reaches the same standard as Mike or
even better. Was their any spercific reason for you opting for a falcon rather
than a tiercel?
Tezz
CloudBase1664
22-07-2008, 09:14 PM
Good luck with Floosie hope she reaches the same standard as Mike or
even better. Was their any spercific reason for you opting for a falcon rather
than a tiercel?
Tezz
I had a tiercel on order from Chris Southern but the pair I wanted one from only produced falcons ,Chris made me an offer I couldn't refuse .If she reaches the same standard as Mike I will be over the moon ,Who knows?
Dave
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HawkMom
23-07-2008, 03:56 PM
We need to have another 'Dead Falconer's Tour' that some US falconers from the Archives in Idaho did. They have raised monies to refurbish the graves of those famous falconers who have passed on.
Nemesis
23-07-2008, 11:22 PM
Well I dont see going out with my bird as a sacrifice it,s a pleasure , and that is what I think abought when I have to do without things I want for the sake of the bird ,I work for the post office day job and wine store at night this gives me the time I need dureing the day to fly star and love what time I have flying my bird more than cash or holidays /dave
HawkMom
24-07-2008, 02:25 AM
I follow the proverb: "Find a job you love and never work a day in your life"
Falconry Equipment International
24-07-2008, 04:14 AM
Dean, I think you have known me long enough to know that eventualy i would take the hook PMSL ! i think I have madea few ,ie in the last 12 months , lost incomne from 2 successful falconry based businesses, to getto a falconry utopia except forthe fact that vicerious instiututions mean that I cannot either import or fly native species due to UK stand point on licencing,bio security etc, now got a new hawk ( anatum falcon) but I think moving over 1/4 way round the world apart from all the many other Sacrifices i have made show a certain commitment to the sport!!!
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