HEALTH AND FIRST AID IN THE FIELD (DOGS)

[Gaz]

Anyone know any thing about treating cuts and things in the field :?: i.e.websites e.t.c.
Minor injuries that could be treated at home :?:

[Shaun Byrne]

Dont know of any sites mate but have treated loads myself. Potassium, Iodine and Newgel, perfect combination.

Sprout might be the man to give us a few pointers.

[Finnish]

Hey Gaz can you still get those first aid kits for out in the field. :wink:

[Gaz]

Waiting for some more to come in Lee,i think Don and Chris want one

[Gaz]

be the man to give us a few pointers.
What about Spaniels :?:

[Falconry Equipment International]

Best thing is to go on aForbes 1st aid course
J

[Sprout]

For simple cuts and grazes then iodine solution (stings like hell), hibiscrub or even dilute salt water will help to clean a wound. Stay awat from wound powders, I tend to find they cause more problems than they save. For any crabbing/bite wound then see a vet for broad spectrum antibiotics. Think one of the most important first aid skills for everyone to master is crop tubing, this will save more lives than any other single first aid action. Practice on something dead first ie a quail, you can make sure its going down the right end then

[Bubo]

apart from being shown this technique could you recommend any books or the like that shows how to do it?

bubo

[Gaz]

I know about treating birds :!: This is in FALCONRY DOGS people :lol:

[KevGem1]

potassium its grate stuff used it for the odd squirrel bite works very well try to keep away from the Little sods now though. just wondering how many people worm their birds i was advised by an avian vet to worm my birds twice a year so i worm them when iam putting them up to moult and when iam picking them up from moult.I learned how to crop tube that way just remember to put it to the side of the Little hole in the center. the best thing to do is get somebody to show you who knows what they are doing. I purchased my first aid Kit from Neil Forbes web site for 18.50 delivered. and there is a leaflet inside that explain what treats what. hope this is of some help, all the best KEV.

[Gaz]

This is in FALCONRY DOGS people

[KevGem1]

sorry about that just realized, what about ear cuts very hard to stop bleeding but yet again i find potassium very good until the swine shakes her head and off you go again,cheers KEV.

[Bubo]

thanks a lot for that i have neil forbs kit on hte way now!! i'll get back on track before gaz starts shouting at me!! hehehe
bubo

[OutFlying]

This is in FALCONRY DOGS people

What weight does he fly at ? :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

I wondered when someone was going to answer your question Gaz, now after treating your dog for squirrel bites and crop tubing it - is it still bleeding from the original cut.........

Outflying.

I clean the cuts up with water, cover if possible then when home treat further.

[Gaz]

is it still bleeding from the original cut.........
Got stitches in it,3" long,rip some stitches out the bitch so had to take her back,now im gonna collar her, :(

[Finnish]

More money down the vets Gaz. :cry:

[OutFlying]

I know of people now using superglue instead of stitching if the cut isn't to difficult. My son practises ju-jitsu and if any cuts are sustain on the mat while practicing the medic there uses superglue also.

[Gaz]

Bird & dog :!: Having a nightmare this month...... :evil:

[OutFlying]

Yep, SH*T happens as they say. I had the misfortune of donating £700 ish to the poor vets fund the season before last - £450 for a gos that had to be put down after the treatment and a nice little £250 for 2 seperate accidents invovling barbed wire with the pointer. I'm going to ask if I can have my name on his private number plate on the Range Rover - I feel like I've paid for it. :wink:

Outflying

[Sprout]

Try insurance then! YOU insure your car and house for accidents, why not your pets/birds?? As I've said on other posts we are spoilt with the NHS, if you check how much we actually pay for procedures through our taxes I think you'd be very shocked. I'm not defending all vets and agree some do over charge but don't tar us all with the same brush. My fiance is working as an auxillary nursse in the local hospital is paid only 15p less an hour than I get after 5 years university and been qualified for 3 years

[OutFlying]

car and house insurance is compulsory. If I insured 2 dogs and 2 hawks every year, how much would this cost including the first £30 per claim. Some years no vet bills, then you have a bad spell but that's life. What I like to know is - if the vet looks at a hamster and spends 10 minutes looking at it why isn't the same charge applied when the exact same vet spends 10 minutes with my gos.

[Sprout]

Fair point, I'd like to charge the same across the board, our fee for birds and hamsters is £6.85 for a consult, I think this should definitely be increased as falconers tend to be so far up their own arses and won't listen to anyone who disagrees with them that it takes 10 times longer to get your point across. Insurance is there for when accidents happen, use it or quit complaining when you get the bill. It's just the same when you take warranties out on electrical products or central heating etc, hopefully you won't need it but it's there if you do. Compulsory insurance for pets would certainly make my life easier as corners wouldn't have to be cut just because the owner can't afford the bills and more lives will be saved. To prove a point I was asked to euthanase a male Harris hawk 2 weeks ago because we couldn't guarantee 100% we could save the bird and the Tos**r didn't want to pay for an xray!!! he'd rather go and buy a new bird. I offered to blood test and xray out of my own pocket and then rehome the bird in an attempt to save it but the ignorant prat wanted to take it home where it later died. If it was insured then it would have had the tests and would still be alive today!

[OutFlying]

That's also a fair point, if you can't afford to look after an animal then don't own it - nothing to do with insurance, he should have at least given the hawk the chance with an x-ray.

[Sprout]

Totally agree, bit of a bug bear of mine as you've probably worked out.

[Gaz]

then when home treat further.
How dude??

[Gaz]

Sprout,your a vet then,how about answering my original question dude,first aid in the field,what to do for commonest things like barb wire rips,controlling bleeding,dressing at home before you can get to a vet e.t.c..........nothing to do with money,me animals are hurting,so im hurting..and well ****ed off with it..what happens to them is down to me,and i need to help

[Gaz]

p.s.
DOGS

[Gaz]

:?:

[KevGem1]

hold on a minute sprout i think you are opening a can of worms here,in one breath you say don't tar vets with the same brush and in the next you are saying falconers are so far up their own arse it takes longer to explain things.i agree in some cases there are alot of idiots involved in falconry nowadays,but it is wrong to tar us all with the same brush as well ,would you not agree that some of the falconers you deal with on occasion do have alittle bit better understanding of the birds and dogs involved in their sport and therefore need a little bit more explaining of what is wrong with bird/dog,what you are treating it for and what to expect unlike your average hamster/rabbit owner,and just because some people are not in the position to pay expensive bills doesn't mean that they are idiots and have no right to own birds/dogs.perhaps a little bit more help and understanding in the payment of bills would be more beneficial to the customer and yourself.i don't know whether it was your intention but you came across if you cant afford it you have got no rights having it.does this mean that if you struggle to make a couple of mortgage repayments you have no right buying the house in the first place, or if i cant send my kids to a private school or give them the best of everything i shouldn't have had them in the first place.sorry if this sounds a bit abrupt but perhaps you should give a little bit more thought about coming on here and slating the very people that help pay your wages. :evil: :wink: all the best KEV.

[Sprout]

Fair point Kev, yes some falconers will listen and not being able to pay expensive bills doesn't make them idiots but thats what insurance is there for. If you can't afford to look after an animal properly then I worry if short cuts are made. Accidents happen and as I've already said, thats what insurance is for. I'm just trying to defend a vets point of view and sorry if I've been a bit rash but I feel very strongly about this. Falcobers don't pay my wages and if you ask any of my falconers clients they get exceptionally good value from me (last bumblefoot op cost £28!!) it's the hamster, cat and dog owners that pay my wages. Sorry Gaz for going off thread, will get back on later (when home) and give some doggy advice.

[OutFlying]

then when home treat further.
How dude??

Cuts - rise with warm salted water, then depending on size - I use a spray that is used on people for bed sores and open wounds, it forms a coating and seems to heal well.

[Sprout]

Back to thread then. What info are you after really, the majority of home first aid is common sense, think what you'd do if it happened to you. Fot cuts, grazes and minor wounds then the solution is pollution is dilution ie clean the wound with plenty of mild salt water bathing and keep clean with dilute hibiscrub etc. If the wound is large then treat on it's merits, if the edges of the wounds are well apposed then it may heal by scabbing over and granulating underneath (although will take longer than if sutured). If small then the wound may be stapled so no need for sedation etc but if large/gaping/contaminated edges then the edges might need debriding and suturing under sedation. Minor bleeds can be controlled by applying plenty of pressure for as long as necessary (normally few minutes). Stings from wasps etc should be removed if can be found and if worried piriton can be used (consult your vet first) to help reduce the possibility of an anaphylactic reaction.