toe lump

[BrianM]

hi guys
ive managed to post a picture of my male harris hawks toe lump ,, as ive said before 2 different vets have said leave it be,, anybody had anything similar??

[Goldie]

Hi brian, no ideas myself, have you had it to Lawrie?.

p.s. small block for big feet :)

[BrianM]

p.s. small block for big feet :)

new that was comeing goldie :D just on there for the picture :D and before anybody else says his feet arnt dirty , its shadow, poor picture taken with mobile phone :oops:

[Shaun Byrne]

Tallons could do with some nice pink varnish Brian!! lmao!!

[Gaz]

Usually down here that would be removed by that stage,looks like a entry wound (thorn etc),the body surrounds it with a "jelly" like stuff wich eventually hardens off to a "fiberous" mound wich is then removed,just an opinion :mrgreen:

[BrianM]

pretty much what the vet says gaz , but as its not attatched to anything and is causing no probs he says just leave it be

[NightOwl]

a mate had one on his gosses talon pretty similar to that and it eventually dropped off after a few months. Not saying the two are the same but they look alike on the suface.

[Gaz]

I would personally get it done,as it could interfere with the toe workings,seen it happen,so wont take a chance. :mrgreen:

[Shaun Byrne]

I agree Gaz, it aint supposed to be there, so get it removed.

[Tim Laycock]

Had the exact same thing with a female harris years ago.
the lump was just the same as in the pic but slightly further down towards the talon.
Took her to see Nigel Harcourt Brown and he assured me that there was no problem.
There wasnt and she lived for years after with no ill effects from the lump.

[MickeyDredd]

I agree with Gaz, had similar on a saker and it's a simple op to remove.

[Tim Laycock]

"If that eye offends thee pluck it out"

If you have the brass to spare its probably worth it for the piece of mind alone.
If it aint there then it cant bother you (or the bird)can it.

[Goldie]

I agree with Gaz, had similar on a saker and it's a simple op to remove.

Mickey, it may be simple to remove, but if anaesthetic is involved then with bop that changes thing a little.

[Tim Laycock]

Very true, cant argue with that.
A lot of birds have been lost under anasthesia :cry:

[Gaz]

I wouldnt mind getting lost under Annastacia :!: :mrgreen:

[MickeyDredd]

Goldie

If you go to a competent vet who has experience of both modern anaesthetic and raptors there should be problem.

Of course there is always a small risk when any bird or mammal goes under anaesthetic (hence the vet usually getting you to sign a disclaimer) but I use Tim at Milnathort who knows his stuff and have never had any problems and neither have any mates who use him.

[Goldie]

Mickey, I hear what you're saying, I wasn't nit picking merely stating a fact. I use Lawrie at Falkirk (more than competent I find) and he would prefer not to put them under unless he has to.

[BrianM]

Mickey, I hear what you're saying, I wasn't nit picking merely stating a fact. I use Lawrie at Falkirk (more than competent I find) and he would prefer not to put them under unless he has to.
thats exactly what the vets i visited said ,,,,,,,,,its not causing any bother we will leave it alone......

[Shaun Byrne]

Could you not cast the bird in a jacket and do it with a local???

[Sprout]

Could you not cast the bird in a jacket and do it with a local???
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NO. If it is an abscess then the whole capsule needs to be removed or it will recur. It's delicate to do at the best of times without the bird struggling.

[BrianM]

what do you think sprout??? it doesnt bother me if its there or not as long as its not affecting the bird,,, i hear what the guys on here think but having 2 different vets look at it and give the same advice,, who am i to push for it to be removed

[Sprout]

My Harris had a very similar lump and I removed it without probs. Depends if it bothers you, whether its growing or if it's bothering the bird. If it's not bothering the bird or growing/changing in nature then it's entirely upto you.

[BrianM]

thanks,, i will leave it as is.. both vets said the same " if it gets bigger or changes bring him back"

[Tim Laycock]

I wouldnt mind getting lost under Annastacia

Lost :shock: Im sure I would know exactly where I was going :!: :) :wink:

[Bubo]

gaz you really give me the giggles

[MickeyDredd]

Goldie

No worries, i didn't think you were nit picking.

A couple of mates use Lawrie and rate him too.

I think we are all agreed it is up to the individual whether to remove it or not if the lump is not causing any prob.

[Goldie]

Goldie



I think we are all agreed it is up to the individual whether to remove it or not if the lump is not causing any prob.

Aint that true :lol:

[HawkNorth]

for get the name anasthetic new stuff not as hazzardes
i had a male with alump on the foot thorn possibily vet said it was ok
had reinvection

[GriffMJ]

Hi Brian

A female Saker at my local Falconry Centre had a lump much like that on your Male Harris. The lump was caused by the lure, its thought; it didnt cause her discomfort but was persistant.... it was eventually "cut out" by Neil Forbes and she ended up with a couple of sitiches and was rested for a month. She soon got back to form after her rest period.

I cant remember what the lump was called ....but when it was cut out the Vet described what came out as a lump of cottage cheese in texture...lol It was not life threatening to her but she was showing signs of loss of form before she was taken to the vet.

[Sprout]

What you're describing Griff sounds like a granuloma, the cottage cheese is pus. Bird pus is more solid than mammalian and looks exactly like cottage cheese.

[Bubo]

Hi sprout,

this may be a strange question but how comes it is more solid? can the bird's immunity system fight better if more solid than if it were liquid like mammals? or it is just cos it is the way the bird's system is set up? did this make sense :?

bubo