Coopers hawk anyone breeding them ?

[Darryl]

I am after a male Coopers Hawk, do we know anyone breeding them this year, many thanks Darryl.

[Jack Merlin]

I am after a male Coopers Hawk

Interesting choice. More or less the same weight as a female spar but with less power under the bonnet?? Any particular reason?

[Darryl]

I am after a male Coopers Hawk

Interesting choice. More or less the same weight as a female spar but with less power under the bonnet?? Any particular reason?
Yep I agree...... I am searching for the Coopers for a friend, I think he fancies the challenge !
OMG thanks for the number :-)

[Sparrow Hawker]

Just had a look in the IBR directory, all seem to be in Glamorgan.

The Welsh Hawking Centre: 01446 734687

Robert: 01443 438855

Dean Britton: 01443 755202

Hope this helps,

Regards,

HH

[Darryl]

And they can take ground game without getting broke
This is a main consideration I believe.

[Darryl]

I have looked on the IBR, was hoping to find someone a little closer, although will still travel if needs be, thanks for the Numbers :-)

[OhMyGod]

good luck

[OutFlying]

And they can take ground game without getting broke
This is a main consideration I believe.

What ground game will be suitable for a 10ish ounce hawk ?

[OutFlying]

and what type of duck will this 10 ounce male bring down ?

[Darryl]

I don't know enough about Coopers to comment, I believe he is hoping to fly partridge, I'll stick to my Redtails, more hunting options :-)

[OutFlying]

Darrl, a male coopers will probably do well on partridge - most likely not as good as a female spar but still enjoy some success. They will not (males) take ground game or ducks. Ten ounces ain't got a lot of stopping power, all prey will be as for a spar.

[Darryl]

Darryl, a male coopers will probably do well on partridge - most likely not as good as a female spar but still enjoy some success. They will not (males) take ground game or ducks. Ten ounces ain't got a lot of stopping power, all prey will be as for a spar.

I totally agree, perhaps he should be looking at a female Coopers, are they much bigger ? I will add my friend who wants the bird is very experienced, and seems to know what he wants, the questions are for my benefit has he is not sat here so I can't ask him :D

[OutFlying]

15 ounces, think he'd be better off with a small male gos at 1-4 ish. Lots cheaper and more chance of success.

[Darryl]

He has had Gosses, Spars and lots of falcons. I think he has access to good Partridge land, and he does like hedge row hunting Magpie, etc, there's bloody millions of them round these parts :-) Will have another chat with him, over the next couple of days, thanks for the info.

[OutFlying]

OMG, if you can show me a 10 ounce hawk taking mallards regularly and rabbits then your feeding them on something special. The original post concerned male coopers. I find it amazing that a 10 ounce cooper can bring a mallard down and hold it whilst much larger male gosses struggle.

Can't speak from personnel experience only observations made whilst hawking both ground game and ducks with goshawks - if these struggle on drake mallards - would like to see a little male coopers do one.

[OutFlying]

what type of flight was engineered whilst catching woodcock ? over a point and what lead did you give the woodcock - how long was the flight ?

[OhMyGod]

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[OutFlying]

I am after a male Coopers Hawk, do we know anyone breeding them this year, many thanks Darryl.

From the above Jack asked why over a female spar - your replied was partridge, teal, ducks and ground game. The initial posting said male and I based my replies on this. If I've read your replies wrong or misunderstood them then I apologise.

My reply was that a male coopers will take the same range of prey as a female spar - is this not correct ?

[OhMyGod]

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[OutFlying]

I asked the question about woodcock with a genuine interest. I've never caught one and its not for the lack of trying, never tried it out of a tree but had plenty of flights over a point with no success.

No I'm not the only person who can fly shortwings but fly them with a passion and interested in all aspects of them. I apologised if I read your posts wrong - I was only replying to males, don't remember saying your talking ********.

Yours Jim.

[OhMyGod]

a male coopers is far more superior to any sparrowhawk on:-

woodcock
partridge
teal
moorhen
gulls
doves

spars are better on hedgerow birds as they are a totally different bird

[Hawkmaster]

OMG NICE TO SEE YOU BACK!

PAUL

[Darryl]

a male coopers is far more superior to any sparrowhawk on:-

woodcock
partridge
teal
moorhen
gulls
doves

spars are better on hedgerow birds as they are a totally different bird
Thanks for the info, most helpful, Hedgerow flying will just be ocassional, primarily partridge. I was hoping to share views with someone who has flown Coopers. What price would you expect to pay for male/female ?

[OhMyGod]

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[OutFlying]

a male gos

[OutFlying]

OMG, from your experience is a coopers capable of flying a woodcock down from the fist, when I've tried I wanted to get a good flight at one. It wasn't the goal just to catch one, didn't want to take one on the rise but fly one down - I been close but no woodcocks in the bag yet...

[OhMyGod]

A MALE gos will take woodcock well.

If I wanted to take them with a male gos I would have him in a tree. You will be better with a dog I believe, and you will have to position the gos where it can get to the woodcock before it leaves the tree canopy. Once they are free you have missed the ****** as they are fast. You are wasting your time if you try and point them as they are not reliable.

This is a mixed style of hawking, and may not be good for an obedient gos flown off the fist. You will end up catching all sorts of prey apart from woodcock (rats, bunnies, pheasants,etc) but somtimes you will find them. Your dog will point them well but you need to flush strait away and have your gos in the tree before hand. It's no good trying to position you gos once you dog is on point.

Yes I know they are hard work on your part but it is very feasable to take many in this way. But you will have to work for them

[OhMyGod]

I don't believe any accipiter will take woodcock from the fist i'm affraid outflying. It simply will never happen. I believe that direct persuit at woodcock is only possible with a merlin

they arrive in the uk in the november full moon. so start looking after then, they hang out around tight cover, branmbles and so on.

Somtimes they will take cover in the next coppice and if your goshawk is strong enough he will have him beat. If you fly him off the fist regular he should be fit enough to do this.

Good luck next Nov

Hope this is of some help.

[OutFlying]

Thanks for the reply, I know how and when to find them - its just been a challenge to me to try and catch one from a point. I've had some perfect setups with the dog but nearly always at the wrong time i.e the gos had already killed something else, had a crop and were walking home - this happens regularly.

As you stated flying from a tree might not be the best course of action for an obedient gos flown exclusively from the fist and I suppose if I was determine to get a woodcock at all costs then he would have to be flown from a height.

Yours Outflying.

[M & J Raptors]

some bullshit on here,

[Jack Merlin]

some bullshit on here,

Jasper, will you kindly shut up!!<g>

Now I have to dig bits of fried egg out of my keyboard again.

Jeez, that guy OhMyGod is well named!!<vbg>

Anyone know where I can get a musket? I am planning flying ptarmigan next year.

[OhMyGod]

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[Jack Merlin]

so you havn't flown one either then.

A musket at ptarmigan? No, not yet. But I caught ten capercaillzie with one last season. Would have caught more but the damned bird kept raking away after brown hares. Maybe I was flying it a bit high at 6oz?

[OhMyGod]

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[Jack Merlin]

Nor any desire to.

[OhMyGod]

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[Jack Merlin]

How do you now the Earth isn't flat?

Dimwit!

[Darryl]

Thanks for the info guys, shall we move on to the next question ?

[M & J Raptors]

OMG for your tender age, you seem to have flown a few birds, dont tell me you used to slip your spar from the pram :lol:

[OutFlying]

You reckon

" Jeez, that guy OhMyGod is well named!! "

How do you know what a coopers is capable of achieving on game if you havn't flown one yourself?

I have heard people who HAVE flown them saying they are not as good as a spar on game, and they take similar prey which is total ********!!

Like I said before (listen you may learn somthing) coopers are a totally different bird and much more superior to sparrowhawks on all prey species except little dickie birds

this includes

woodcock
teal
moorhen
ducks
partridge
pheasants
doves
gulls
rabbits
squirrel

how do you know what i'm saying is rubbish if you hav no experience of them yourself?

have you had friends who have flown them unseccessfully?

For sure you have to get in quick if you have a 16 or 17 oz coopers on a mallard or pheasant or bunnie ( or be sensible and get a dog) but they will not be affraid to take them.

Bert told him

[Jack Merlin]

Bert told him

Ah, telepathic too. Your talents know no bounds!<g>

You know, you really are going to have to read the book.

But you have to admire OMG, that male Coops has suddenly grown to 16oz. Must have a touch of Finn there somewhere.

[OutFlying]

Jack, OMG change the direction of the thread and is now including female coopers.

I will read the book, I know his writing will be very detailed and have great depth. I don't have to agree with all of it, even though he will have forgotten more than I know. Hopefully then a polite conversation and exchange of views can take place.

Yours Outflying.

[M & J Raptors]

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[OhMyGod]

I deleted my posts so perhaps people reading this thread can gain nowledge from all the really informative constructive posts everyone else put on this thread about what a male coopers is capable of compared to a female sparrowhawk, which quite frankly is complete bullshit and totaly without experience as the information given is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack Merlin]

Hopefully then a polite conversation and exchange of views can take place.

I doubt it. There are some people I just cannot be bothered with and you seem to fit the profile.

[M & J Raptors]

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