False Aylmeri

[BrianM]

ive started to use these false aylmeri ( if JPJ swears by them and thats good enough for me),, any body else use them ?

[Goldie]

nope

[Goldie]

can't say I rated JPJ when it came to hunting either :lol: :lol:
waiting for the flak :lol:

[BrianM]

:minigun: :shock: :D

[Falconry Equipment International]

can't say I rated JPJ when it came to hunting either :lol: :lol:
waiting for the flak :lol:
now her dad taught me in the late 60's bu5t JPJ, she has don a lot for the politcal side of falconry but as you sau Hunting?????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :twisted:

[Sean]

would there be more chance of a talon getting in the eyelet?

[OutFlying]

what's the advantage BrianM, they look more likely to get caught or talon stuck in them then normal alymeri ?

[Varmint]

The main adavantage to any false Bracelet system is that they take the hard edge created by the eylet in the leather away from the birds tarsus.

I have a Gyr/Saker here who's ankles will blow up in a week if he wears Aylmeri's because he is very jumpy,esp late afternoon! put false on him and his ankles at the back remain unbruised.

I use another variant on the false aylmeri on most of my birds without incident or injury and i am able to change them over without casting too.

Just got to go with what works for you in your daily routines and lifestyle?

Horses for courses! :wink:

[OutFlying]

Different birds need different care I agree, had gosses that bate like mad - never had a problem with the eyelet / anklet making a mark. I make the anklets a few months in advance, plenty of leather dressing applied every couple of weeks. Then when it comes to fitting them to the bird - there are supple as possible, then just keep appling dressing thereafter.
The design show above looks to extend quite far, and if fittted to a hawk looks to be a bit cumbersome and liable to snag on cover.

[Varmint]

Yep outflying id agree, which is why i use a slightly different version that avoids this prob.

I know of not one but several Austringers who's Gos's have large callus's on the back's of their ankles caused by bateing wearing Aylmeri bracelets so it does happen, and it doesnt matter how well you grease the leather either?

[Tim Laycock]

I personaly never use them on a sparrowhawk as the birds back talon invariably ends up stuck through the eyelet.
An associate of mine even had his loose a rear talon over this problem and talons dont come off spars easy!!!.

Better suited to longwings in my own humble opinion.

[OutFlying]

Yep outflying id agree, which is why i use a slightly different version that avoids this prob.

I know of not one but several Austringers who's Gos's have large callus's on the back's of their ankles caused by bateing wearing Aylmeri bracelets so it does happen, and it doesnt matter how well you grease the leather either?

I just stated my own method as a different view, the hawk once it is manned down shouldn't be bating excessively for ever and if it is them something different must be tried. I use a screen perch with p/r gosses, bating not a problem and probably the reason normal aylmeri work for me.

[Falconry Equipment International]

I personaly never use them on a sparrowhawk as the birds back talon invariably ends up stuck through the eyelet.
An associate of mine even had his loose a rear talon over this problem and talons dont come off spars easy!!!.

Better suited to longwings in my own humble opinion.
Hi blackbird, don't even like them for longwings I actually over the years have developed a system that incorporates what I consider the best of all worlds, effectively using tradionional slit jesses/anklets ,aylmeri mews (button)jesses etc all without a bloody eylet in sight. when I have more time I will take some pics and post them on here( after the FFair!) :yawinkle:

[Tim Laycock]

Hi blackbird, don't even like them for longwings I actually over the years have developed a system that incorporates what I consider the best of all worlds, effectively using tradionional slit jesses/anklets ,aylmeri mews (button)jesses etc all without a bloody eylet in sight. when I have more time I will take some pics and post them on here( after the FFair!)

I shall be very interested in seeing them Screaming Jay 8)

[Falconry Equipment International]

Ok BB Will do!

[OutFlying]

Also noticed from the photograph, that the anklets are fitted inside out. I always fit the smooth side of the leather to the hawks leg, the rough side of leather acting against the hawks leg is the equivalent to having sandpaper on it.

[Tim Laycock]

I personaly have not found this, Although that dont mean Im right!

I have always been of the opinion that if the leather is put skin side it has a harder and therefore sharper edge that will rub against the foot when at rest and even more so during a bate.

Again this is only my humble opinion.

[Hawkmaster]

the best of all worlds, effectively using tradionional slit jesses/anklets ,aylmeri mews (button)jesses etc all without a bloody eylet in sight.
Sounds like the ones I use that we spoke about before Jay, Helsinger jesses.

[OutFlying]

I personaly have not found this, Although that dont mean Im right!

I have always been of the opinion that if the leather is put skin side it has a harder and therefore sharper edge that will rub against the foot when at rest and even more so during a bate.

Again this is only my humble opinion.

When I turned the leather this way round, at the end of the season when I cut them off to free loft the hawk the was a marked difference in the appearence of the scales on the legs. Smooth side to the leg, less wear on the scales in my case. The scales didn't have that "smoothed out effect".

[Falconry Equipment International]

the best of all worlds, effectively using tradionional slit jesses/anklets ,aylmeri mews (button)jesses etc all without a bloody eylet in sight.
Sounds like the ones I use that we spoke about before Jay, Helsinger jesses.
I don't think so by the way you explained it the Helsinger is one piece of leather, mijne has at least 2 , sometimes 3 :wink:

[Hawkmaster]

You are right mine is one piece, would like to see it too.

[Wightwings]

I personaly have not found this, Although that dont mean Im right!

I have always been of the opinion that if the leather is put skin side it has a harder and therefore sharper edge that will rub against the foot when at rest and even more so during a bate.

Again this is only my humble opinion.

When I turned the leather this way round, at the end of the season when I cut them off to free loft the hawk the was a marked difference in the appearence of the scales on the legs. Smooth side to the leg, less wear on the scales in my case. The scales didn't have that "smoothed out effect".

I do the same and always have.....smooth side in. having said that i saw a bird being dressed by a very experiencd falconer friend who has put his soft side (rough side) in for years and told me he has never had a problem

[Gaz]

I always fit the smooth side of the leather to the hawks leg, the rough side of leather acting against the hawks leg is the equivalent to having sandpaper on it.
:finga:

[BrianM]

:shock: maybe just maybe i will do something right, i am not promising anything mind :oops: :oops: :D

[Miguel]

Yep outflying id agree, which is why i use a slightly different version that avoids this prob.

Varmint, do you have any pictures of those?? I've also seen others different from those above, and I'm looking for ones to put on our hooded vultures just while they're in the show... Thanks :!:

[Varmint]

Hi Atomic

Hopefully this picture will give you the plan?

[Bubo]

these are the ones ken made for me the first time i changed kadab's jesses. easy to put on and easy to take off.

[Miguel]

Thanks Varmint!! I've seen one of that kind being used on a vulture but didn't really saw how it was done!! Thanks for that, it will help!!