Hoods Varnish?

[K.K]

What the hood makers use as a hardener layer for the leather on hood after drying?

Some kind of varnish to hold the leather hard, but what exactly?

Thank you.

[BLD122]

Fiebings Saddle Lac. www.fiebing.com

[K.K]

Are you sure? Because the varnish I see on the hoods is like a gloss, like polish. And they become very hard with this varnish gloss.

[Steve Rose]

a varnish will not last!! the hood has to be burnished:supz:
steve

[K.K]

No, no, I ask for the chemical that makes leather stay hard after drying and treatment with this chemical.

For example the anglo-indian polished with this chemical, stay very hard all the time. And the same anglo-indian not polished, deform with no touch. This chemical keeps leather hard and give gloss to the surface of the leather.

Do you understand what I ask for?

[John Hatchett]

No, no, I ask for the chemical that makes leather stay hard after drying and treatment with this chemical.

For example the anglo-indian polished with this chemical, stay very hard all the time. And the same anglo-indian not polished, deform with no touch. This chemical keeps leather hard and give gloss to the surface of the leather.

Do you understand what I ask for?

steve is the one for hoods no chemicals and his hoods shine like a perverts boots burnishing is the way forward .

[Grovsey]

Fiebings Saddle Lac. www.fiebing.com (http://www.fiebing.com)
correct the leather is hard at this stage and the saddle lac is for protection not to make it hard

[GregMik]

No, no, I ask for the chemical that makes leather stay hard after drying and treatment with this chemical.

For example the anglo-indian polished with this chemical, stay very hard all the time. And the same anglo-indian not polished, deform with no touch. This chemical keeps leather hard and give gloss to the surface of the leather.

Do you understand what I ask for?

No chemical, just burnishing to harden then shoe polish to shine and preserve.

Greg

[Sean D]

No chemical, just burnishing to harden then shoe polish to shine and preserve.

Greg

What exactly is burnishing

[GregMik]

What exactly is burnishing

When the hood is on the block you rub and roll with a hard round instrument. I am not a leather expert, but I believe it compresses the fibers, I have been taught to do it when the leather is slightly damp also.

SakerJack....Any input?

Greg

[Grovsey]

When the hood is on the block you rub and roll with a hard round instrument. I am not a leather expert, but I believe it compresses the fibers, I have been taught to do it when the leather is slightly damp also.

SakerJack....Any input?

Greg
have to be carefull not to bruise the leather when doing this

[Sean D]

When the hood is on the block you rub and roll with a hard round instrument. I am not a leather expert, but I believe it compresses the fibers, I have been taught to do it when the leather is slightly damp also.

SakerJack....Any input?

Greg

I do this when I make a hood but didn't realise it was called burnishing, its a bit of a secret world this hoodmaking game

[K.K]

No, I'm sure they use special lacquer for this procedure, some leather hardener, and its smell different from the leather. I don't know in what name to search for this lacquer. Burnishing is not the only way to do hard.

How you will burnish the anglo-indian when the model is not for burnishing?

You sew the anglo-indian, put it on the block, polish it with this 'I-don't-know-what', and it's stays harder all the time.

[Grovsey]

i use quality leather and when you wet it for shaping if will harden enough then laquar

[Sean D]

No, I'm sure they use special lacquer for this procedure, some leather hardener, and its smell different from the leather. I don't know in what name to search for this lacquer. Burnishing is not the only way to do hard.

How you will burnish the anglo-indian when the model is not for burnishing?

I watched a DVD a while ago and the guy used car laquer out of an aerosol, I have tried it and it works very well but not sure how long it will last

[K.K]

No, no, I don't think they use poison chemicals for the hoods. I will not.

[Sean D]

No, no, I don't think they use poison chemical for the hoods. I will not.

Once it has cured it is not poison

[K.K]

I will not use car laquer, this is for sure.

[Grovsey]

I will not use car laquer, this is for sure.
why would anyone use car laquar

[K.K]

I watched a DVD a while ago and the guy used car laquer out of an aerosol, I have tried it and it works very well but not sure how long it will last

Don't know..

[Flea]

No, no, I ask for the chemical that makes leather stay hard after drying and treatment with this chemical.

For example the anglo-indian polished with this chemical, stay very hard all the time. And the same anglo-indian not polished, deform with no touch. This chemical keeps leather hard and give gloss to the surface of the leather.

Do you understand what I ask for?

Understand this!

Use properly (Vegetable) tanned leather not any old **** like handbags or leather jackets and you wont need chemicals to render whats made from it more fit for purpose.

Leather can be made hard with superglue but it has no more place in the making of falconry hoods than what your asking for.

[Steve Rose]

I'm not sure why you want to harden an anglo-indian hood for a stiffer hood i would find a stiffer leather or pre soak and dry leather to remove some of the tanning you can burnish an anglo-indian using a broom handle or similar inside the hood, i use polished antler for my burnishing tool

[Little Joe]

I havent made hoods for a while now, but i always used ordinary clear nail varnish. Worked very well and is perfectly safe when its dry. It polishes to a beautiful shiny finish.

[Tiercel]

when you make your hood and burnish it try speediing up the drying process with a hair dryer,you will find this will stiffen the leather a lot (dont over do it though)
regards

[SakerJack]

When the hood is on the block you rub and roll with a hard round instrument. I am not a leather expert, but I believe it compresses the fibers, I have been taught to do it when the leather is slightly damp also.

SakerJack....Any input?

Greg

KK, I have used Saddle Lac and Leather Sheen as a final finish on a hood. It certainly makes it a bit stiffer but it is used to give the hood a glossy look and protect it from water,, unless you use suitable leather all the finish in the world will not make it HARD!! Try using some English Kip from Le prevo in the UK or get some tooling calf leather. Once you have finished making the hood wet it, and block the hood, once dry your hood will be as hard as it should be, you should not have to put any lacquer or varnish on it to make it HARD, in my opinion.
Burnishing your hood (at the correct drying time,, this is very inportant) will give your hood a nice glossy look. If you burnish the hood when it is too damp as Grovsey said you will bruise it. BUT it will not make your hood hard as well using a blow drier certainly dries it faster and can sometimes make the leather go hard. I think it causes too much damge and shrinks the hood too quickly and causes the grains of the leather to "Bunch UP" or squeeze together unnaturally I prefer to let the hood dry on its own,, Again my opinion.

[K.K]

No, I'm not using old leather, but thank you all for the post. I appreciate it.

Greets

[Steve Rose]

no laquer or varnish this is a work in progress (large tiercel small falcon)
blocked and burnished ready for trimming
steve

[CanadaManada]

What blocks are you using, Steve?

Justin

[Steve Rose]

What blocks are you using, Steve?

Justin
my own i don't like the door handle blocks
steve

[SakerJack]

Clayton Smith used blocks that were similar to yours, good work, look forward to seeing the finished hood.