Ban?

[Lanner_Man]

just wondering, now they've banned fox hunting with dogs, obviously shotting or simular will be the next target, how much of a target is falconry on the goverments list of what to ban next?

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi Lanner_Man,

It's difficult to say what this government going to do next, they have sneaked restrictions in for shooting pigeons etc. through the back door, so it's really anyone's guess what Mr Blair will do next.

I just hope he's voted out next month, otherwise I feel it's going to be another bleak 4 years or so, in which time anything could happen!!!

Regards,

HH

[BlackHawke]

well we all better vote conservative or lib dem!!

[Debbie]

Hey Luke :)

This has been covered a few times and will continue to be so.

What with the government and then theres the countryside alliance doing their upmost to drag us down with them it could be a kinda bleak future.

Conservatives say they will lift the ban but it was them that originally started the banning process back in Maggie Thatchers day in the first place :? I remember as we did a project about it at school - media studies. But back in those days Labour were against the ban then so who knows they always seem to swap to the opposite of who is in power at the time :roll:

It is very much a waiting game so who knows.

Debbs

[Jiff]

i've said it once and i'll say it again i don't give a flip and i don't give a dam,and i don't care what polies say or do,i'll do what ever i feel will make my life good,i never vote and never will, it's like swaping deck chairs on the titanic, just do what you gotta do kids and enjoy youre life if they ban it, DO IT, it's even better when you aint supposed to.

[Sparrow Hawker]

With all due respect Debbie, with regards to Mrs Thatcher she was out of the picture years ago and times change and new policies come in.

We need to concentrate on the now and that in my opinion is to get Labour out!!!

Either people unite as one like the countryside alliance are trying to do, or it's goodbye to falconry, there's enough attacks on country sports without ourselves bickering between us. If you isolate falconry away from other countryside activities, falconry in my opinion would be very vulnerable indeed.

I would like to think that we would get support from other areas of the countryside community if falconry was to be banned, that's why I will always give my support to the hunting community even though I don't hunt with dogs.

All for one and one for all as they say :wink:

Regards,

HH

[ColdZero]

Lanner_Man, you will probably find everyone on here will say we are in the firing line, but i don't. Falconry is different to fox hunting, and even townies know that.
Anyway, i'm with Jiff, if it does get banned who cares? they can't be everywhere.

[ScarletFever]

Don't forget what the tories did to the 'working man' when the decimated the coal mines and forgot how they would turn a generation against them.

Lads and Lasses, all politicians are 2 faced. Do as Jiff says, carry on regardless.

[BlackHawke]

i agree with u all all politicians are two faced and say what they think the public want to hear!! all the parties have ruined the uk at times. can remember my dad saying that before maggie came into power the labour party ruined the economy. if i beleive correctly their were loads of strikes then?? then maggie say no more! oh decisions decisions!!

as debbie said in an earlier post the conservatives tried to get fox hunting banned but this fell at the first hurdle. but they tried to ban it the proper way where democracy actually worked and the majority kicked it out. they didnt try the underhanded way like labour did with no regard for the majority and push the ban through with some stupid law.

as far as carrying on regardles if it was just me involved i would.for falconers who have permission on land will they prosecute just u if they catch u? dont rekon but the landowner who has given u permission to fly on his land aswell.

this will lead to a lot of landowners withdrawing permission. then we are into the realms of trespassing. ok for certain areas of the country and certain people this won't be a problem. but sods law says first time someone like me flies a bird on land they don't have permission for we'd get caught!!!

[Lasher]

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I would prefer them to look at Falconry seriously. I agree totally with CZ, it IS different to fox hunting and I would prefer the authorities to look at licensing it for the sake of both the Sport AND the bird and I think that would be the most sensible way forward.

[Sparrow Hawker]

What makes Fox Hunting different to Falconry?

In my opinion it's all the same, how can you differentiate between the two, hunting is hunting. Antis don't see any difference, they want everything banned from fishing, through to shooting and falconry etc. That's why I feel everyone needs to stick together.

Do we wait before falconry is banned before we do something!!! Then it will be to late.

Regards,

HH

[ColdZero]

i have asked this once already, where is the group campaigning agaisnst falconry? YES there are many people who don't like it, where are they? I can't find anything on the internet thats more than a paragraph that says anything negative about falconry. Fox hunting has thousands of anti-sites.

This is from the league against cruel sports

"What about falconry?
The League believes that most of the public are unaware that falconry involves the use of birds of prey to kill other birds and animals, as usually they only see displays at country shows where the birds are flown at 'lures' rather than live prey. The League has major concerns about the display of captive birds of prey at schools, country shows and game fairs, where the birds are tethered all day, often in the blazing sun and in close proximity to bustling crowds. The League believes that the bloodsport of falconry should be outlawed immediately. No further licences should be issued and where possible all birds of prey should be rehabilitated and released back into the wild in their country of origin."


If you read this its obvious you can tear apart their argument without even trying. Everyone who is trembling in their shoes about these idiots need to reflect on why.

[IAmTheWeasel]

Coldzero, It's called guilty by association. They will ban something else and it will inevitably ensnare the realms of falconry in it's grip. You know how they work, they have done it here in the states too. In Washington state, they banned leg hold traps....Meaning that steel jawed traps could no longer be used to catch fur bearing animals.....Now, the problem with this was that they left it so vauge that it automaticly included our Bal-Chatri hawk traps....They have since fixed the issue, but this is how the anti's will do it.

[Sparrow Hawker]

ColdZero If you read this its obvious you can tear apart their argument without even trying. Everyone who is trembling in their shoes about these idiots need to reflect on why

People can tear apart the arguments for the ban on hunting but it hasn't stopped fox hunting from being banned!

I agree Falconry might not be the main issue yet, as the antis normally target activities one at a time, but they have made it clear other activites including falconry will follow.

Regards,

HH

[Wightwings]

Lanner_Man, you will probably find everyone on here will say we are in the firing line, but i don't. Falconry is different to fox hunting, and even townies know that.
Anyway, i'm with Jiff, if it does get banned who cares? they can't be everywhere.

No they cannot but thy go for the landowners first with penaltis just like they do with foxhunting...........no land to flying........simple as that what do you do then poach?

wake up and smell the coffee lads.

[Matty]

in the 8 years i've been flying birds ,i have not come accross anyone who didnt seem to be fascinated by the sport and what it entailed. I believe this is why you wont find much bad press on the sport. if you are willing to give people five minutes of your time to talk they do appreciate it.
falconry cant possibly be on the top of the governments list of things to ban

[Matty]

alot of land owners may withdraw FORMAL permission if the law changed
but i would of thought some sort of arrangement could be made, as to, if you got caught its your problem! you are a tresspasser !

[Wightwings]

falconry cant possibly be on the top of the governments list of things to ban

I agree Matty, prob is the government will pander to whatever the pressure groups make them believe wins votes. Falconry IS on the antis agenda but not at the top of the list yet.

in the 8 years i've been flying birds ,i have not come accross anyone who didnt seem to be fascinated by the sport and what it entailed.

never been asked the question " do you still see wild birds around your garden?" or read the stories about HH attacking dogs. I have actually been acussed of being cruel "teaching" a bird to kill things.
it is out there but In principal you are correct, after all why would a well known ketchup firm use the sport in an advert? its the wow factor.

[Saker-Clive]

Well ~I was out flying this morning, and there were 2 council officials there apparently doing a re-mapping of the area; they chatted about the bird and watched her fly for a good 20 minutes before asking me to contact one of the 'country side offices' to try and get them more involved!!!!!!
That's from local labour tree hugging muppets.

[BlackHawke]

i was out flyin jade one morn on common land n got speaking to a jogger chattin for about half an hour he then told me he was the boss of the military corrective training centre (squaddie prison) n would like to look at gettin some birds in to give the squaddies somethin to do!! he also told me to fone him sometime to arrange a time when i could come over n start gettin rid of his rabbits!!. which apparently there are many!! n they cant get out cos of the big fence which goes into the ground quite a way!!

so far i've never met an anti! i'm also open about the bird hunting. everyone i've met so far have said that they dont have a problem with BOP hunting coz its "wot they do" to survive in the wild.

[ColdZero]

i don't want to start an argument, but no, you cannot tear apart the ban against fox hunting. There are very strong arguments for both sides, and personally i think the hunters had the strongest argument, but obviously the public had a different view.

What i can't understand is why everyone is so pessimistic. There are NO groups out to ban falconry that i know of, and since no-one has mentioned one yet i will keep believing that. The bloody 'league against cruel sports' barely cares, they gave a sniveling little paragraph about it, that's all.

[Wightwings]

Well ~I was out flying this morning, and there were 2 council officials there apparently doing a re-mapping of the area; they chatted about the bird and watched her fly for a good 20 minutes before asking me to contact one of the 'country side offices' to try and get them more involved!!!!!!
That's from local labour tree hugging muppets.

not sure what you mean SS, get involved with what?

And coldzero lets hope it stays like that and nobody ever has tosay to any off us "i told you so" :D

[Sparrow Hawker]

ColdZero, your not starting an argument, it's just a good debate that's all.

I think we have a right to be cautious, and I agree totally with WW views.

I know the hunting debate has been covered lots on this forum, but the hunting ban was imposed not because of public opinion because the majority of the public didn't want it to be banned. It was made a political issue by the Labour party back benchers, even Tony Blair didn't want it banned but he bowed under pressure from his backbenchers.

Falconry my not be the antis top priority but I can assure you it's on there agenda, they have said it themselves that they want ALL country sports to be banned.

Regards,

HH

[Wightwings]

Falconry my not be the antis top priority but I can assure you it's on there agenda, they have said it themselves that they want ALL country sports to be banned.

a Poiniant and though provocing comment me thinks.

[Saker-Clive]

WW, they want me to contact their office to try and get more flying land from them as they agree it will help to educate not only the council but Joe Public as well.
They were totally in awe of her flying and thankfully she didn't take any notice of the bunnies that were out as she caught a thermal and played.

[Wightwings]

cheers SS, just wondered what you meant by it. :D

[ColdZero]

Its almost like people have a guilty concious thats all. What will the public think if they read all the threads about banning falconry when its never been an issue yet. They will just think we hae something to hide, or are ashamed, its defintiely not a good image to send out.

This is just my opinion though, i just think we all need a more positive attitude.

[BlackHawke]

CZ the hawk board obviously believes it is a real threat if they are trying to get a training and monitoring scheme up and running.

[Wightwings]

CZ the hawk board obviously believes it is a real threat if they are trying to get a training and monitoring scheme up and running.

what a bloody god point that is.......

[ColdZero]

I believe it probably will be a threat, but theres no need for their to be so many threads of people saying how scared they are. It puts out the totally wrong image. The hawk board is just being prepared, my point is that nothing has happened yet to imply a ban on falconry.
Also, its the public that matters, so on average how many people who see your with your bird seem facninated, and how many say how cruel you are? In my short experience i encountered a lot of people and NONE had anything negative to say.

[BlackHawke]

there aren't that many threads on here normally 1 thread finishes about the ban then another starts. it is a big issue! it gets views aired as this post has. both sides!

What a lot of people say to your face may be completly different to what they say in private!

The hawk board is getting prepared so when the government turns its eyes to falconry the hawk board will be able to say that we are self regulating and have some control over the hobbie.

you say that nothing has happened yet well it has the government has already turned it eyes on hunting with dogs! not just for fox!

it only takes a few articles in the news for the public to completly change their opinions on falconry.

but ofcourse when has the government taken any notice of the public!! they do what they want to do!!

[ColdZero]

ummm they do exactly what the majority want most of the time. Anything for votes. I agree we should be prepared for the event of a possible ban, but my main point is that we should have a clear concience as we have a strong argument, not them. So why let them make you feel like you have done something wrong?

[Jiff]

i'd like to see the government introduce a grant system where by people trying to get started in country persutes can get subsadised to help with the start up costs, i'd like to walk on the surface of the moon aswell, but seriously anyone can get a grant aslong as theyre incapable of making an effort. governments,polititians, comedians , all of them tell humerous stories, but a comedian can make em sound believable.

[Falconry Equipment International]

i'd like to see the government introduce a grant system where by people trying to get started in country persutes can get subsadised to help with the start up costs, i'd like to walk on the surface of the moon aswell, but seriously anyone can get a grant aslong as theyre incapable of making an effort. governments,polititians, comedians , all of them tell humerous stories, but a comedian can make em sound believable. so0 would I :twisted: :roll: :shock: :roll: :?

[RabbitHawker]

We need to sort out our own house and make sure that we do not give any of the antis any fuel for the fire. We should all look at what we do at home and in the field and make sure we cannot be criticised fairly.

[Gaz]

We need to sort out our own house and make sure that we do not give any of the antis any fuel for the fire. We should all look at what we do at home and in the field and make sure we cannot be criticised fairly
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