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Saker-Clive
15-04-2005, 09:31 AM
Has anyone ever used this piece of kit? It is similar to Ko Cho Line and have just ordered 10 tins.
I will if it's good gear put up on the Bulk buying for members thread.




Hawkmaster
15-04-2005, 10:34 AM
Price?

Saker-Clive
15-04-2005, 10:52 AM
£3.50 plus P&P.
Until I know if it's as good as or better than Ko Cho Line, I don't want to get too ahead of myself.
I wanted to know if anyone had ever used it and what it is like.

Saker-Clive
15-04-2005, 03:58 PM
My shipment of 10 cans arrived a short while ago; a plus for me is that it is colourless unlike the red of the Ko Cho Line 8)

It states on the can:
Waterproofs, softens and preserves leather articles.......even in the rigors of The Outback!

Mary Quite Contrary
15-04-2005, 04:11 PM
£3.50 plus P&P.
Until I know if it's as good as or better than Ko Cho Line, I don't want to get too ahead of myself.
I wanted to know if anyone had ever used it and what it is like.


I will have one please. Pm me wth your address and i will send you a PO

Cheers

Goldie
15-04-2005, 04:35 PM
I always use neatsfoot oil as I don't like the ko cho line.
Have heard the Fiebings is pretty good, but the man to tell you is SJ.
Sceamingjay where are YOU :?: :?: :lol:

Falconry Equipment International
15-04-2005, 05:10 PM
I always use neatsfoot oil as I don't like the ko cho line.
Have heard the Fiebings is pretty good, but the man to tell you is SJ.
Sceamingjay where are YOU :?: :?: :lol:
Here :!: :rolleyes: <BTW> do you know me from old anyway( like 20-25 yrs ago)? :yawinkle:
Right rund down on Fiebings . Sorry don't know the product, never tried it so can't be much help there, however... I have used their leather cement which is more expensive than but not quite as good as copydex( latex rubber solution) .
Re Ko-cho-line Vs Neatsfoot oil/ Hydrophane / other leather oils . In my experience Ko-cho-line whilst a pain to apply, gets all over your fingers takes about a month of daily applications to make jesses fully pliable but once this level of care has been achieved you should find that the leather seems to become stronger, more flexible whilst retaining epidermal integrity. With Neatsfoot & other oils designed for heavy bridle type leathers etc when applied to kangaroo or other leathers used for jesses such as Calf, Pigskin etc will soak in almost immediately therefor being soft and pliable straight away. the down side is strength seems to be compromised and the leather effectively becomes similar to a sponge and also is a lot easier to tear. I hope this helps
SJ

Goldie
15-04-2005, 05:26 PM
[quote="Screamin Jay Here :!: :rolleyes: <BTW> do you know me from old anyway( like 20-25 yrs ago)? :yawinkle:

Don't know, were you in Brixton or wormwood scrubs :lol: :lol:
No don't think we've met, but have spoken to you on phone a few years back re equipment.


integrity. With Neatsfoot & other oils designed for heavy bridle type leathers etc when applied to kangaroo or other leathers used for jesses such as Calf, Pigskin etc will soak in almost immediately therefor being soft and pliable straight away. the down side is strength seems to be compromised and the leather effectively becomes similar to a sponge and also is a lot easier to tear. I hope this helps
SJ[/quote]

Yes it does help, my neatsfoot is going in the bin :cry:

Falconry Equipment International
15-04-2005, 06:42 PM
Don't know, were you in Brixton or wormwood scrubs Only f I was locking you up for the night!! :lol: :lol:
No don't think we've met, but have spoken to you on phone a few years back re equipment. probably Pm me . I was confused with your name and all the talk about eagles!

Gary.B
21-04-2005, 08:45 PM
Has anyone tried the jess grease recipe in Philip Glasiers book?

Falconry Equipment International
21-04-2005, 09:06 PM
Has anyone tried the jess grease recipe in Philip Glasiers book?
Yup, use dit for many years , very good, just laziness that kocholoine is reasdy made

Hawker29
21-04-2005, 09:21 PM
i know somone who has used it and they say its just as good as the stuff in the shops never got round to making it myself though

The Late Lord Lucan
21-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Personally, I would rather use Dog **** than Kocholine.
I'm no expert in leather at all, so I can't comment on the in's & out's of it, I just hate it.
Personally I do two things. I lightly grease my jess with Renapur.
Secondly, I change my jesses a lot more often than a lot of people do.
As soon as they start to look the slightest bit 'tired', they're in the bin.
If you buy a couple of sq.ft. of leather for jesses for your bird a year, it's still well cheap.
I know this isn't quite as simple when you have a lot of birds, say for example a centre, but compared to a lost bird, it's still cheap.
There are other options. For birds that I have found to be very 'hard' on jesses, I use home made braided ones.

If this stuff is anything like Renapur, I'll be interested in a tin.

Regards,
LLL.

Hawker29
22-04-2005, 05:13 PM
i would buy no other than kangaroo leather because the jesses you can make are extremely strong and take a very long time for the quality to detiorate (providing there well greased) my personal preference for grease is the stuff you can buy from Ben long its cheap and just as good as any other