RC plane/lure

[SashMan]

got chating to a man with all sort of rc plane ,had idea of hang lure underneath it.he said he could make a realese feature,when bird gets close sounds great to me,he only to happy to help,any one else tryed this and if so any tips:D

[LJW.]

Would there be any chance of the bird taking the plane out.....
Lee

[Hacker]

I believe it is used in Dubai and similar countries, have seen pics of it on web.

[SashMan]

Would there be any chance of the bird taking the plane out.....
Lee
his planes look pretty big wish icould say the same about my lanner lol:lol:

[Phoenix1]

used to something similiar when i used to fly RC combat aircraft with a 100 foot streamer of it .so could be done

[AccyFalcons]

:lol: on some of my permission there used to be like a 50ft by 50ft patch of short green grass with an electic fence round it for the model planes,and i used to try and get 1 of em to try and come up with 1 with a lure under it with a release technic on it but my pere/saker messed it all up for me when she took 1 out in mid air and crashed to the floor with it:lol: the landing strip now is just some ruff grazing land they cleared off after that i felt bad but i wasnt paying thousands out for it:twisted:


chris.

[DirtHawker2004]

I would be afraid that the bird would get hit by the propeller. murphy's law and all

[FalconGriff]

Do it all the time in Dubai. It works very well. A dead pigeon is under the plane on about a 20 foot line The plane is a lot faster than the birds in level flight so you control the whole thing allowing the bird to catch the pigeon when you want . You can go up or just fly fast and level in figure eights If the bird starts to lose interest just slow it down and let the falcon catch up and then away you go again. As soon as the falcon has bound to the pigeon it is released from the plane by radio. The downside is the falcon can then carry the pigeon as far as it wants, no big deal in the desert, problem in UK unless you live on Salisbury Plane!! It takes two people one on the plane and one in charge of the falcon who calls to the pilot what he wants the plane to do.

[AvianManagement]

Do it all the time in Dubai. It works very well. A dead pigeon is under the plane on about a 20 foot line The plane is a lot faster than the birds in level flight so you control the whole thing allowing the bird to catch the pigeon when you want . You can go up or just fly fast and level in figure eights If the bird starts to lose interest just slow it down and let the falcon catch up and then away you go again. As soon as the falcon has bound to the pigeon it is released from the plane by radio. The downside is the falcon can then carry the pigeon as far as it wants, no big deal in the desert, problem in UK unless you live on Salisbury Plane!! It takes two people one on the plane and one in charge of the falcon who calls to the pilot what he wants the plane to do.

We now put a small parachute on the line holding the lure or dead pigeon.
When the pane is flying the is going forward and so is closed.

When the lure is released it is going the orther way and so opens, this stops the falcon carrying it too far.

[Leo 1]

I HAVE SEEN THE METHERD BEAN DONE BE FOR BUT THE ONLY PROBLAM WITH IT IS IF THE RELEAS DUSANT WORK YA ******D

[FalconGriff]

We now put a small parachute on the line holding the lure or dead pigeon.
When the pane is flying the is going forward and so is closed.

When the lure is released it is going the orther way and so opens, this stops the falcon carrying it too far.

Problem solved. Now all you need is someone to fly the plane for you!!

[FalconGriff]

I HAVE SEEN THE METHERD BEAN DONE BE FOR BUT THE ONLY PROBLAM WITH IT IS IF THE RELEAS DUSANT WORK YA ******D

If its made correctly it always works This is not a problem. My worry at first was the engine propeller but my fears were groundless as the bird never goes near the plane. Providing you have someone who can fly the plane every time you want to go out it works better than a kite.

[Leo 1]

If its made correctly it always works This is not a problem. My worry at first was the engine propeller but my fears were groundless as the bird never goes near the plane. Providing you have someone who can fly the plane every time you want to go out it works better than a kite.

YE I GET YA THAT IS MORE LES WHEAT I MEANT IS IF THE BIRD HITS THE PROPELER

[nesher]

yeah my freind was flying his rc plane and a wild redtail grabed it in mid air and destroyed it

[BBD]

I build fly and train on rc planes Lemme know what you need to know and I can send you off buying the correct parts dont be fooled by shops trying to sell you really expensive pointless things you will never use for falconry ,,

here are general suggestions to look at. (if you can fly a plane)

You dont have to use pigeons I use plain old simple lure and it works better people use pigeons because their falcons are not ready to chase a lure as simple as that and you cant argue with me on this particular point, wont even bother responding if your trying to convince me otherwise

46 Planes, trainers or low wings towing a Lure is a great more than you need Use engines or .46 or .55 I recommend OS engines 2T I tried many many engines those 2 are top notch.

Low wings are much faster than the trainers harder to control and land but you can outfly any falcon easily

In Dubai mostly use 60 size planes they can be seen better and in combination with 91 OS 2T Heli engines they are very fast Aeroplane of choice is Thunder Tiger trainer 60 or SuperStunt 60 I built many of them but I strongly encourage using a smaller and potentialy faster planes

If you need more technical information regarding any kind of release system, servos, controller, recivers. Please let me know and I can help any of you guys out with this subject

[Boby]

sounds like it may work but the thoughts of propellers or blades are not good, there is one possibility however, the elctronic ducted fan, all blades are concealed neetly within the motor mount and as such would limit the risk of an injury.

the price of some of the ducted fan planes is getting much lower, you can pick one up for arround £50 the thing is they fly fast and for short periods of time. some of the cheap ones are made of polystyreene, and are very hardy, they will with stand a brutal landing and can be light weight, probably under the weight of a pidgeon.

just my thoughts.

[FalconGriff]

the price of some of the ducted fan planes is getting much lower, you can pick one up for arround £50 the thing is they fly fast and for short periods of time. some of the cheap ones are made of polystyreene, and are very hardy, they will with stand a brutal landing and can be light weight, probably under the weight of a pidgeon.

Model Planes are how I spend my spare time lol and the ducted fans would not lift the weight. There is no danger of the motor prop as the bird never goes near it

[ChrisGos]

I would be afraid that the bird would get hit by the propeller. murphy's law and all

Agreed.

[Leo 1]

what abouta glider aveasley no gd for speed but ok for highit's and no propeler

[BBD]

Fact is distance between the prop and the lure is a good 6 meters plus. Why would your falcon chase the prop ? Are thinking of flying the plane and playing chicken with your falcon ?

This method is for more advanced training you do really have to know what you are doing before entering your falcon. Which means a lot of lure work and make sure you know how to fly the plane.

After all the techincal stuff is sorted it usually takes 3 days to rid the falcons fear from the plane and persue the lure for as long as he can.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h195/BBD_photos/MOV00696001_0001.jpg

will try to get more recent pictures this was last years

[SashMan]

Fact is distance between the prop and the lure is a good 6 meters plus. Why would your falcon chase the prop ? Are thinking of flying the plane and playing chicken with your falcon ?

This method is for more advanced training you do really have to know what you are doing before entering your falcon. Which means a lot of lure work and make sure you know how to fly the plane.

After all the techincal stuff is sorted it usually takes 3 days to rid the falcons fear from the plane and persue the lure for as long as he can.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h195/BBD_photos/MOV00696001_0001.jpg

will try to get more recent pictures this was last years
great pic and thanks for all the replies am trying something new soon will let you know how i get on ,especially if it works :rolleyes:

[Little Joe]

I was fortunate to see BBD train his 3/4 Gyr x Saker with the RC plane recently and I am 100% sold on the idea. There can be very few better methods to make a pursuit hawk incredibly strong and fit.

The propeller has a cut-out mechanism to ensure the safety of the falcon BTW.

[PD Harris]

i watched one on here the other day and they had a massive helicopter with a live duck in,it looked amazing think it was a white gyr they were using in desert cant remember what thread it was know,i fly a rc helicopter but wouldnt risk doing that blades and your bird only spell trouble,

[FalconGriff]

I fly both planes and helis and would not want to try with a heli as the lure would be straight under it and if as you say the bird tries to stoop straight threw the near invisible blades, it dead for sure. With a plane, its under and well behind the plane so the bird can stoop well away from the propeller.

[PD Harris]

hi griff,the vid i watched with the helicopter didnt have a lure it had a perspex box fastened underneath onto body with a live duck and a radio release mech,

[GuyFawkes]

Use to work on a landfill and this is what I designed for days when the wind was in the wrong direction for the lanner to fly, use to have great fun with it. Then I discovered sticking a Tawny eagle on a 10 ft high block and a long line and all the seagull's disapeared so fast it almost made me redundant. I,m amazed how many falconer's are into rc with new lipo batteries it's more than possible to carry a lure underneath the plane. However you have to be carefull of falling foul with the law the only thing you can legaly jettison from a model plane is water as this disperses on the way down ,however I have put lures on my planes many times over the years, but one would have to be carefull of crowds at show's etc for obvious reason's I have been asked to fly at show's dropping a lure but have always declined on the grounds of public safety.The electric plane would fly for 20 mins none stop and flew realy fast.

[Little Joe]

i watched one on here the other day and they had a massive helicopter with a live duck in,it looked amazing think it was a white gyr they were using in desert cant remember what thread it was know,i fly a rc helicopter but wouldnt risk doing that blades and your bird only spell trouble,

Yes, you definately dont want the bird to chase a chopper. But the method they used was safe - they just released the duck from it. The benefit of a chopper is you can take off from your car bonnet if you like.

[Pirate Of Penzance]

great stuff whats the price of every thing required to do the rc training thing price guide and where to buy thanks:roll:

[Little Joe]

great stuff whats the price of every thing required to do the rc training thing price guide and where to buy thanks:roll:

BBD might be able to point you in the right direction.

[Hacker]

Fact is distance between the prop and the lure is a good 6 meters plus. Why would your falcon chase the prop ? Are thinking of flying the plane and playing chicken with your falcon ?

This method is for more advanced training you do really have to know what you are doing before entering your falcon. Which means a lot of lure work and make sure you know how to fly the plane.

After all the techincal stuff is sorted it usually takes 3 days to rid the falcons fear from the plane and persue the lure for as long as he can.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h195/BBD_photos/MOV00696001_0001.jpg

will try to get more recent pictures this was last years

Personally i think it is a great idea and what a way to get your falcon fit.
Richard

[FalconGriff]

great stuff whats the price of every thing required to do the rc training thing price guide and where to buy thanks:roll:

For everything you will not have change out of £500 Plane and engine alone about £200 but you need radio gear starter etc etc. Best plane is approach a local model aeroplane club and try to get one of the members to help you as it will take about a year to learn to fly the plane well enough

[GuyFawkes]

Just adding a bit of humour to the thread hope you dont mind Griff said about £500 will set you up nicely, here's my mate Alli Machini from All's Hobbies, you want to put a lure underneath this one you could get in it and hold the lure yourself, you wont get any change out of £25,000 for this one there's a video on u tube somewhere will try and find it. To watch this fly is out of this world. Next shot is of one that cost about £2000 about to bite the dust,

[SashMan]

Just adding a bit of humour to the thread hope you dont mind Griff said about £500 will set you up nicely, here's my mate Alli Machini from All's Hobbies, you want to put a lure underneath this one you could get in it and hold the lure yourself, you wont get any change out of £25,000 for this one there's a video on u tube somewhere will try and find it. To watch this fly is out of this world. Next shot is of one that cost about £2000 about to bite the dust,
:lol:that silver plane not very good at the stoop:lol:

[GuyFawkes]

Here's my mate's flying it look's real.

[GuyFawkes]

pressed wrong button you want to see this stoop.

[Little Joe]

Just adding a bit of humour to the thread hope you dont mind Griff said about £500 will set you up nicely, here's my mate Alli Machini from All's Hobbies, you want to put a lure underneath this one you could get in it and hold the lure yourself, you wont get any change out of £25,000 for this one there's a video on u tube somewhere will try and find it. To watch this fly is out of this world. Next shot is of one that cost about £2000 about to bite the dust,

You want to make sure the falcon does not catch up with the plane... ideally....

[GuyFawkes]

Here's one of mine. As in the famous joke there the focker goes. Seriously though it is a good way of training falcons generaly you do need two people and preferable a descent place to land on if your useing wheels. electric is by far the best way forward no prob's starting up and hardly any noise .

[Leo 1]

Here's one of mine. As in the famous joke there the focker goes. Seriously though it is a good way of training falcons generaly you do need two people and preferable a descent place to land on if your useing wheels. electric is by far the best way forward no prob's starting up and hardly any noise .

how mutch wood ya be looking at for a desont eleci trainer just to ly not for the birds or owt just for th fun lol

[FalconGriff]

About the same as for one with an IC motor. The birds don't seem to worry at all about the engine noise I noticed that as soon as the engine started the hooded falcons on the blocks started to fan as they knew what was going to happen!!

[Eagle-Eyrie]

i think this is a great idea and would work well for fitness training, how would the r/c lane be entered to the falcon? how does the training begin- with the r/c plane draging the lure on the unway for the falcon to catch? how would you go about starting to train a new bird to this???? ould it work for eagles or hawk eagles?

good hawking

dylan

[KiteTrainer]

Here's one of mine. As in the famous joke there the focker goes. Seriously though it is a good way of training falcons generaly you do need two people and preferable a descent place to land on if your useing wheels. electric is by far the best way forward no prob's starting up and hardly any noise .

Nice looking model is it a kit or hand built

[GuyFawkes]

Nice looking model is it a kit or hand builtIT'S PART BOTH this is the original messersmitt 109 hand built by Brian Tayler World famous scale model plane builder ,recently came up for sale at Bonhams auction in London. from this, one! hand built model, plans were sold world wide and several hundred have been built and flown. stunning detail close up on it, every rivet panel line instrument is exact scale of the original full size.

[Little Joe]

i think this is a great idea and would work well for fitness training, how would the r/c lane be entered to the falcon? how does the training begin- with the r/c plane draging the lure on the unway for the falcon to catch? how would you go about starting to train a new bird to this???? ould it work for eagles or hawk eagles?

good hawking

dylan


Any bird that comes to the lure will greatly benefit from RC plane work I'd imagine. You can create the exact flight that you desire - be it a pursuit flight, a ringing up flight, a stoop, etc.

I havent seen the introduction stage, but I would imagine you do as with a kite. Make sure the bird doesnt fear the plane and get it to associate the plane with food. The guys I saw training with this method reckons their birds went for the lure first time with the plane coming past low and slow. If you see hesitation initially, you just drop the lure and let the bird have it.

[KiteTrainer]

IT'S PART BOTH this is the original messersmitt 109 hand built by Brian Tayler World famous scale model plane builder ,recently came up for sale at Bonhams auction in London. from this, one! hand built model, plans were sold world wide and several hundred have been built and flown. stunning detail close up on it, every rivet panel line instrument is exact scale of the original full size.


I have a hand built PR Spitfire,I will have to get a picture for you to see, it is superb

John H

[GuyFawkes]

I have a hand built PR Spitfire,I will have to get a picture for you to see, it is superb

John H
John ,if you a hand built spitfire and it's superb don't fly it , that way it will stay superb:lol: