rspca and the size of my mews (any comment possable please)

[Spudy]

:evil: right i had a visit from the rspca the other day as in there words quote"we have had a complaint you have a dog dieing of parvo untreated and a eagle flying round your house" unquote

i assisted the officer imidiatly in inviting her in to see my DEAD dog who jumped off the sofa to greet this new guest i then handed around 300 quids worth of vets bills to her which kinda satifide her need she then asked about the eagle so i introduced her to oscer my wifes european eagle owl in his averie to which she said that she wasent happy with the size its too small!!!!!

my old mews which at the moment he is still in as im now rebuilding another bigger is 9 foot long by 7 foot wide and aproxamitly 10 foot high its as more perchs than nessasery with a constant water souce with a bath thats two foot by two foot and 6 inch deep it has shelter from all the conditions rain wind sun but also gives him the choice of where he sits the new mews i am building is 10x10x10 with all the same kind of equipment just bigger

i have forgot to mention hes flown three times a week minimem(on a line at the moment thou) and is allowed with us in the room on his portable bow perch that i take to the feild with us he also as a food shelf so nothing is on the floor and i clean it out every two days....
DOES ANY ONE HERE IN THE FALCONRY COMUNITY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO THIS AS IN HAVE I GOT ANYTHING WRONG AM I IN THE WRONG ...
or is this just another case of the rspca dont have a clue as she also told me i need a licence to keep this bird which i showed her the paperwork for it best bit was i also keep reptiles i have a 5 and a half foot long califonia deasart snake with a 6,6 viv set out in a dessart scean she said they need special heating to which i showed her the 70 quid climate control system that monitors and increases or reduces the heat for the exact time of day to which i got no reply from her but she is coming back to check i have increased the size of the mews for oscer any coments suggestions or just bantter about this guys...spud

[Goldie]

Sounds like she's got a touch of PMT mate. Your mews is certainly big enough. As long as the bird has enough room to open its wings in any direction you are ok and as yours is freelofted, so much the better.
You are right about these b******s not having a clue. I had a similar situation with my goldie. He is in a 10ft wide 6ft deep and 6ft high pen with no front from first thing in the morning until it starts to get dark. He is on a trolley system and can go to another block 20yds away. The clown from the rspcb told me it was not big enough for a bird that size :?: I told him to f*** off and don't be stupid as the bird basicaly has the whole garden as its weathering and that the eagle only went in to the " little " pen if it wanted, he mumbled something about checking with his boss and I never seen him again.

[RabbitHawker]

You have nothing to worry about. The only regulation in place is that the bird should be able to stretch it's wings fully in all directions, so as long as your bird can do that there is no legal case against you. Generally the rule of thumb I use is 2 wingspans wide by 5-6 wingspans long should give you a reasonable aviary. Any questions please get back to me as I am only too happy to help. If necessary the RSPCA can contact me, I have worked with them in thee past, and I am sure I can sory this out with them. One of my local insectors is also a falconer, so she may be able to assist.
Chris

[Spudy]

thanks rabbithawker if needed will pm you mate and goldie mate my mews hes in at mo he can if he so wishs turn a complete 360 with his wings out spread with out getting withing a foot of the sides mate now he as about three foot clearence with the new one mate ok he will have when the rain stops long enuff to get the roof on lol ...spud

[Will]

The RSPCA have an annoying habit of intimidating people without actually providing the facts or offering genuine advice.

It's been my unfortunate observation over the years that certain inspectors have abused their position in order to keep their spouses and friends well supplied with their favourite pets.

I have seen genuine neglect and abuse left for other people to deal with ( me! ), whilst busily expanding their own collection. This puts a genuinely useful organisation in a very bad light.

This is my own opinion and not that of the forum itself.

[BrianM]

This is my own opinion and not that of the forum itself.[/quote]

allegedly......lol :shock: :D

[Saker-Clive]

I too had the plebs round my place the other month.....................I did exactly what you did; invited them in etc. and they left "adequately happy" but heard no more since.
The funny thing was, once I showed them the birds in the enclosures, I also showed them that I had 24 hour CCTV running; this seemed to un-nerve them a touch and they left!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope you get everything sorted and you find the scuz that 'mouthed off'to them.

[SycamoreBirds]

Hi All,
I served as an rspca Inspector for 13 years. If you need any advice pm Me. I think I have had dealings with this inspector before when she tried to inspect my mates parrots at Tadcaster, I sent her away with a flea in her ear, if you will pardon the pun. You do not have to let them on to your property, they have no powers of entry unless things have changed recently

Malc.

[BrianM]

ive had the sspca in too ,, what a joke,, she asked me what kind of birds they were ,, if i needed a licence for them ?? ,, dont these people get any training at all,,

the gits who reported me stay next door,, see my post on nusince neighbours,,,,, by the way they can report you as many times as they like,and even though you have done nothing wrong the rspca will keep on calling on you... the system stinks

[ColdZero]

An RSPCA inspector came round because my ferret escaped for almost 'gasp' 10 mins and someoine reported it was terrorising their children...grr it was a school day, and she wasn't home, she only found out because i went round later to tell them i had to go into their garden.
Anyway, the RSPCA guy ruled, he was a ex-gamekeeper and just talked about ferreting, and convinced my dad that getting another was a good idea. Then noticed my piranahas and reptiles and gave me the number where i can rehab some free ones....it was a good day. He was just a countryside bloke.

[Spudy]

Hi All,
I served as an rspca Inspector for 13 years. If you need any advice pm Me. I think I have had dealings with this inspector before when she tried to inspect my mates parrots at Tadcaster, I sent her away with a flea in her ear, if you will pardon the pun. You do not have to let them on to your property, they have no powers of entry unless things have changed recently

Malc. nice will do mate if i get anymore hassels

and to the rest she seemed as if she had no training got some questions from her about the owl then was told its iliagle to keep them captive when i passed the paperwork over she kinda went quiet espescily when i mentioned that i had an email from defra about sorting out the a10 paperwork for the closed ring on its leg but made me laugth when she started on the viverium as i have been keeping reptiles for over seven years and i look after some for a pet shop every so often when custermers cant get them to eat or are going on holiday for a week or two lol the climate control seemed alien to her mmmmm makes you wonder dont it ...spud

[UKJay74]

:evil: right i had a visit from the rspca the other day as in there words quote"we have had a complaint you have a dog dieing of parvo untreated and a eagle flying round your house" unquote

DOES ANY ONE HERE IN THE FALCONRY COMUNITY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO THIS AS IN HAVE I GOT ANYTHING WRONG AM I IN THE WRONG ...


spudy mate i have to say you havent done anything wrong alas you are vitctim to the Royall Society Of Coperate ********s(RSPCA) sorry but these guys at times can be a joke or a godsend you see the odd puppy or kitten or the likes in distress call em :) thing of anything exotic and out of the ordinary forget it they dont have a clue :twisted: i know a guy who tutors these people to come into our house and explain why they aint happy(sorry speaking reptile wise) basically if it aint furry with four legs they will try an nail you if they can :evil: :evil:

sorry this has touched a raw point with me and if the post s removed so be it but as far as i am concerned the RSPCA needs major education and until they have recieved such should be dissallowed to operate (isnt that the way it operates when they come across things they know bog all about :D)

[Steve L]

I worked for the rspca 2 years ago and can say they go on a one day course to learn about BOP SO THEY LEARN NAFF ALL same goes with reptiles just a one day course, when looking for cruelty cases they should take a look at some of there own centres as i have witnessed it first hand, so spudy your not in the wrong m8 just take them with a pinch of salt because like jay says if its not got fur and four legs there knowledge has is zero

[Coedhirion]

I've been reported by nuisence neighbours, they told RSPCA my dogs were kept in little wire cages. Each kennel is 6' x 6' and they are only in there at night any way. They said my sheep must be starving because while they were inside for lambing they all bleeted when they heard me start feeding. The horses were starving... they come in at night in winter & eat their way through nearly 4 bales of hay between 4 horses. In fact the only problem with the horses is they are too fat!! luckily I got a sensible inspector, who said most of their calls are malicious & as the caller left their name and number he went trotting off to check up on them. The upshot was the neighbour got a warning for the dog kept chained out doors 24/7 in muck an mud & the horse stuck in a stable so low it couldn't lift its head. But unless the animal is dead or dying they realy dont have any powers at all, and 3 years later their dog & horse are still in the same conditions. RSPCA have a pretty bad reputation round here as they are mostly 'do gooders' who only know about pussy cats and fluffy dogs. :evil:

[ColdZero]

why are the RSPCA seen in such a bad light? If you think stopping animal cruelty is bad, then maybe you shouldn't keep animals yourselves. They are a charity, trying to stop people causing animals to suffer because of their own ignorance, they don't have much power due to stupid laws, but they educate people to stop them making mistakes again. I think this is important.
Big deal this one call out was a mistake (and a bit bitchy) but i'm sure many other BOP have been helped, or taken away from bad owners, not just vermin cats up trees.
Just my opinion, i think they do more good than bad, so how can you say they are worthless?

[Steve L]

Perhaps some of the inspectors should get more educated thereselves before they can educate others, like i say i used to work with them so i know what some of the inspectors dont have a clue about.There not worthless they do a good turn but they should'nt deal with something if they dont know anything about what there dealing with and then say youre in the wrong.

[ColdZero]

many of the people working for the RSPCA are volunteers aswell, the point is that they are a GOOD thing, so jipping them in (many) threads doesn't really seem right....Its a shame there are many bad employees, but they don't have the power anyway, as long as there is someone filling out the report something can be done. The police don't do much either, but the 'fear' they inspire still makes people behave....

[Bubo]

They are in bad light because they have a few idiots representing them!! As steve says, if they dont know what they are talking about then they shouldnt even be making an appearance.

[RabbitHawker]

The RSPCA can be very good, but unfortunately some of them hold anti views on BOP ferreting etc. and this, with a lack of knowledge can taint things.
A lot of the welfare cases I have worked on are not cut and dry, but open to interpretation, unless the cages for parrots etc. are 2 small, then it's black and white.
Even at this stage most people are just given a caution rather that prosecuted. In my are the RSPCA calls me out on exotic cases, the majority of the time it is just a case of educating the keepers, as we do see some appauling things out there.

[Claire]

what annoys me about the rspca is that they rehabilitate pest species and release them in stupid places. a game keeper neer me shot a fox only to notice it had had a broken leg that had been lovingly mended (we assume the rspca did it) then released near game kept land. It would have been better to put it down. also watching kids programmes with my daughter they always seem to be rehabillitating wild rabbits then reeasing them . why ???

[Saker-Clive]

I totally agree Claire, DEFRA clearly states the all land owners have a duty to keep rabbits on their land under control and not to allow them to get out of hand.
Most local councils have a 'green policy' which doesn't allow hunting of any type on their land so the rabbit population spirals then they 'attempt' to gas them. Most people know that gassing isn't 100% and is indiscriminent.

Another good point there Rabbithawker; some are anti towards what we do. This in mind, they come to our houses, see what birds are kept, how the enclosures are constructed and possible access points, ie. neighbours fences etc. What's stopping them blabbing to other like minded morons to come one night or even during the day when we are out and 'liberate' our pride and joy???? :twisted:

[Jon]

We went up to the local rspca center to see about a ferret, The conditions and size of the cages they were in were crazy, my partner walked out in disgust. I hope they do not get any more powers as it would be a sad day if they do. I have dogs with docked tails so this is why i have a problem with them as they support the ban on docking. But do they see dogs with split tails and injuries that are hard to repair?? They never show the pictures of dogs in pain and bloody tails split do they? If you all are for docking breeds please join the council of docking breeds i joined at crufts this year. I know it was mentioned about volunteers but they are not the inspector that comes to the door are they. (rspca are like alot 'DO AS I SAY NOT WHAT I DO'). Glad pup is now better Spudy and i will try and come up soon pal. I have a old walking stick from my Grandad if you want it? (Happy birthday again) :lol:

[Spudy]

there seems to be a lot of pent up rage towards the rspca on this thread which i would agree is justifide thanks to all who tell me what i knew all ready about the mews ......now cold mate they do .. od some good for our furry little house freinds but when it came to the bird and snake she was so far out i needed to throw her a line to get back mate...and its true about the fact they spend money to rehab silly animals that wont survive too much longer in the wild anyway wild rabbits foxs badgers sparrows pigions last i heard these were all classed as vermin not pets or endangered species mate...
and thanks jon i feel old now mate better bring that walking stick soon lol .....spud

[Jon]

:lol: i could not put it resist mate

[Jon]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not resist mate so sorry about that had a blond moment :roll:

[Spudy]

you mate are about to incurr the raff of every blonde on here lol sorry mate had to put it lol

[RabbitHawker]

I know of keeper who have shot 6 or so foxes from one high seat one night after local fox release programmes, at least you can shoot 3/4 of the released foexs in the first night, saves having to go out too often.

[Saker-Clive]

:lol: :mrgreen:

[ColdZero]

I understand entirely why people hate them, but its still just a charity, not tax money so its a free good cause really. They obviously do a lot of bloody stupid things, thats why i can walk up to many 'wild' foxes round here that have probably been brought up in the middle of some city. I still think its stupid to wish they weren't there though, for the damage done (few extra bullets for Gamekeepers in some cases) a lot of good comes out of it aswell, even if they are just sodding cats. I wouldn't mind working for them for a bit doing the exotics bits, i would have a rather different approach to poor ickle bunnies with a tummy ache :twisted:

[BrianM]

:D give it up coldzero i think your in a majority of 1 on this :roll: :roll: :D ,,, i used to think that they were ok as well but if you look a bit deeper they are just "legitimite antis" they have a policy on every fieldsport ie banning it

[Will]

It's been my unfortunate observation on too many occasions that genuine cases of abuse and neglect would be overlooked simply because the owner appears a 'bit of a handful'. It's far too easy for the inspectors who don't have much backbone to just wander the countryside confiscating under false pretences anything that takes their fancy.

Ask yourself why, when you visit an RSPCA kennels, there's never any pedigree dogs. Plenty are abandoned and unwanted but never make it as far as the kennels and therefore never create any useful donation from new owners.

No-one would seriously advocate ridding ourselves of the RSPCA but clearly they have a lot to learn about many things. Anyone wanting to make a donation to help mistreated animals would do well to seek out their local independent shelters. They have no national profile or back-up and therefore no axes to grind.

Anyway, well done with the dog Spudy, hope it goes well for the both of you from now on.

[ColdZero]

:lol: , i never give up. My opinion is always different i think...maybe i will keep it to myself a bit more :?

[Spudy]

thanks will mate shes back to normal now apart from a bit of waight loss which will soon be back on her as shes eating me outta house and home again lol 14 months old and was 8 stone till the sickness shes now down to 6.11 but its starting to come back up thank f**k lol but cheers again mate and cold your opinion is right mate in a way as if you dont voice your opinions and no one else did no one else would learn or be able to give back advice to you on it mate (LITTLE SAYING I USE ...STAND BY WHAT YOU THINK UNTILL SOMEONE GIVES YOU SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK OVER BUT ALLWAYS REMBER WHAT YOU WAS THINKING IN THE FIRST PLACE AS IT STILL MAY BE RIGHT..) have fun and dont let the baste*ds grind you down(imo) lol...spud

[CastleFalconry]

In all, I'm in favour of the RSPCA. My brother is a copper and according to him, if someone says they've been sworn at in the street, the Police have to investigate the incident, regardless of whether that person wants to make any formal complaint or not.

I'm sure that this is exactly the same with the RSPCA. If someone says that a bird, dog, rabbit, cat, fox etc is being cruelly treated, they have to investigate it. That's what they're paid to do, whether it's mallicious or not.

I think that (Just like coppers), it's the attitude of a few that gives a bad name to the rest. Rather than admit that sometimes they don't know what they're talking about, they try to blag it and end up looking like idiots.

In all, I am very much in favor of the RSPCA but, like anything, it's all in the way that the organisation is marketed!!!!

[RabbitHawker]

TheRSPCA kennels are not full of pedigree animals, but there are some there. Probably 95% of the animals there are abandoned not seized for welfare reasons.
There are plenty of idiots out there who scrape together the money to buy a pedigree dog(usually it's money I've worked hard for and paid in taxes as they are on benefit), but then don't have any money left for vaccinations or any basic veterinary care. They seem to expect this to come for free as well. We had a client in a few weeks ago who had outstanding debts form 18 months before, but wanted to know if we could come out on a visit to put her dog down, but explained that she still didn't have any money. We explained that we would euthanase the dog at the surgerey if they brought it down, but not do a visit. We are a caring profession, but some people take the ****.
The insectors have to deal with these idiots every day, I'm sure it must get you down. The main problems are ignorance, but mental health problems are in there near the top as well, deliberate cruelty is less common.

[GDN]

I think we need to be a little bit careful when dealing with the RSPCA or SSPCA up in Scotland.

As some have said they do some good but i think they can do a lot more harm. They market themselves as the leading charity in the UK for animal welfare and have great influence over public opinion with there TV programs and celebrity backers but also the politicians. They appoint MPs on to there board of directors / governors who carry influence and lobby on their behalf in the Parliament.

They also see themselves as a police force for animals and would like to have more powers including the right of entry. At the moment you can tell them where to go unless they a cop with them but they would like the power just to go in and there would be nothing you could do to stop them.

They get a huge amount of money from sympathetic backers and the public believing they are helping animal welfare but this money goes to pay for new directors and lobby Parliament for new legislation but at the same time they are closing animal shelters.

I thought they were meant to be a charity not pressure / lobby group trying to change or bring in new legislation.

While i am sure there are good people in the RSPCA and some members of the forum had mentioned them you have to look at the people who are running it and deciding it's policies. A lot of the top people in it are known for their anti hunting views and opinions.

[Debbie]

why are the RSPCA seen in such a bad light? If you think stopping animal cruelty is bad, then maybe you shouldn't keep animals yourselves. They are a charity, trying to stop people causing animals to suffer because of their own ignorance, they don't have much power due to stupid laws, but they educate people to stop them making mistakes again. I think this is important.
Big deal this one call out was a mistake (and a bit bitchy) but i'm sure many other BOP have been helped, or taken away from bad owners, not just vermin cats up trees.
Just my opinion, i think they do more good than bad, so how can you say they are worthless?

The big deal is that the RSPCA has alot of power - it is a name of credibility who do infact make ALOT of errors due to lack of training.

We have a small community on this forum and many of us have one or more stories of errors made by them. Many of us myself including will think twice about calling let alone trusting them ever again.

The main problem with them is that they have to appear to be the expert on anything animal/avian/reptilian and aquarian and they just cant, its too many hats to try and wear at once.

But they won't admit that they just charge in reading the riot act scaring the life out of you telling you that your such and such which they called the wrong breed anyway is in bad conditions but they cant tell you what the correct conditions should be, then proceed to try and remove the such and such and you then rush to the kitchen drawer where you keep all those legal documents you keep just incase to give to these people you know the restaining order from the judge for the neighbour. the 3 vets letters saying the cage the bird is in is in the birds best interest although illegal etc etc

Or the viscious dog which is accused of going for their child which greets the RSPCA officer and Police Officer nearly licking them to death oh the list goes on.

It does depend who you get in contact with as my aunts called the national line and were put in contact with a nice lady who came straight out to help the baby pigeion they found in their garden.

Swings and roundabouts.

Debbs xx

[Spudy]

you are very right in that debbie as when she came to my house i was apprently keeping a dieing or dead all ready dog which as you said jumped off the sofa to greet this new geust with a lick and a wag of the tail...and the other thing she wanted to see was my eagle that was flying round my kitchen(must be a big kitchen by any standerds lol) so i passed her over 300 pounds worth of vets bills and the next appointment card the took her to see the "eagle" in his averie which he can fly around in let alone just turn with wings outspread(but apprentlly too small for him then started on my vivarium saying it needs heat so i showed her the 70 quid climate controle system BUT SHE STILL IS COMING BACK TO CHECK MY AVERIE AS BEEN REBUILT BIGGER OR TAKE THE OWL!!!! IS THIS ALLOWED ...spud

[Debbie]

:lol: , i never give up. My opinion is always different i think...maybe i will keep it to myself a bit more :?

Don't keep it to yourself as maybe how you vieiw something will enable someone else to see something from another point of view.

healthy respectful debate is good thats what this forum is about and also helping each other to understand from someone elses shoes.

Debbs xx

[Steve L]

No it isnt allowed spudy turn the tables on her and just ask her some questions about birds of prey find out how much she knows about them which obviously isnt much as your mews is at a big enough spec to house an eagle owl if the bird is flown regular it gets more freedom than it will if they were to house it. I know that the centre i used to work at could'nt accomadate a bird of prey and there for would be put to sleep, SO WHOS BEING CRUEL??

[Debbie]

Spudy,

Steve is right it is not allowed.

I would be waging war against this horrifically vindictive woman myself.

Firstly I would contact the RSPCA and complain about her as you have people to ask I have seen people trounced by the like of her into handing over the family pet and I can tell you it was a lot of hard work and a lot of aggro getting the animal back from them. I would also get the RSPCA to let you know in writing the legal requirement for houseing requirements by law and as far as the RSPCA. get all this before she visits next slap her in the face with it all and also insist on a written apology and also to be used incase this happens again.

I was always lead to believe that as long as a bird can spread its wings in every direction then the cage is large enough.

People like her firghten me to death with the power they have and the damage they can do by the total misuse and also at the detriment of your good name which is being tarnished.

Okay I am calming down now as I get so angry :oops: :roll:

Will was right if you want to help a charity give to a local one that way the money helps locally and actually does some good.

I do home visits for my local branch of the Cats Protection although the largest cat charity in the UK locally we are funded by our own efforts our vet fees alone last year were over £96,000 which is mind blowing.

But Bournemouth is the 3rd largest branch in the UK.

Debbs xx

[Steve L]

[quote]our vet fees alone last year were over £96,000 which is mind blowing.

The RSPCA loose £250.000+ a year on legal fees that were crualty cases that could have been avoided by being more educated.

[ColdZero]

she came to my house i was apprently keeping a dieing or dead all ready dog which as you said jumped off the sofa to greet this new geust with a lick and a wag of the tail...and the other thing she wanted to see was my eagle that was flying round my kitchen

are you blaming her for doing her job and investigating a report? or angry that she then got annoyed and acted like an idiot? I see your point for the second, but is it really fair to expect them to know everything? 99% of their jobs are cats and dogs as stated, so why expect them to spend more than a days training on very small miniorities like BOP? I am not saying i think they necessarily do a good job, but if they didn't exist i am 100% sure more animals would suffer. Also about the tank, you know you keep them well, but a lot of people don't. Exotics are more popular than ever, so she was probably right to make sure you know what you are doing.
Just trying to see things from the other point of view.

[OutFlying]

Spudy,

Steve is right it is not allowed.

I would be waging war against this horrifically vindictive woman myself.

Firstly I would contact the RSPCA and complain about her as you have people to ask I have seen people trounced by the like of her into handing over the family pet and I can tell you it was a lot of hard work and a lot of aggro getting the animal back from them. I would also get the RSPCA to let you know in writing the legal requirement for houseing requirements by law and as far as the RSPCA. get all this before she visits next slap her in the face with it all and also insist on a written apology and also to be used incase this happens again.

I was always lead to believe that as long as a bird can spread its wings in every direction then the cage is large enough.

People like her firghten me to death with the power they have and the damage they can do by the total misuse and also at the detriment of your good name which is being tarnished.

Okay I am calming down now as I get so angry :oops: :roll:

Will was right if you want to help a charity give to a local one that way the money helps locally and actually does some good.

I do home visits for my local branch of the Cats Protection although the largest cat charity in the UK locally we are funded by our own efforts our vet fees alone last year were over £96,000 which is mind blowing.

But Bournemouth is the 3rd largest branch in the UK.

Debbs xx

£96,000 - was this just for the Bornemouth area - if so a reality check is needed.

[Spudy]

hay cold mate i know what your saying there is right ...but as example i used to drive lorrys and jcbs and do a fair few other jobs that i or someone else could get hurt through is it still right if i didnt have got the expensive training for every machine i used or drove cos i spent a lot of money if it wasent on nothing....im not saying they dont do a good job im just saying they shouldent do it if they dont know the job mate as i sure wouldent jump in a train and drive it as i have never been taught so i keep to the jobs i know not do every thing i cant....spud

[Sprout]

I found a german shepherd dog that had already been hit by a car limping down the slip road onto the M6! Unable to get near the dog because it was very nervous and aggressive with it we phoned the RSPCA. They said unless it was in a life or death situation they were unable to send anyone out to help! So letting it continue on it's merry way and causing a pile up on a very busy motorway is not classed as life or death?? As it happens I got it into the back of my car, let it calm down and managed to get it sorted.

[Saker-Clive]

When Zarbu went walk-about at the begining of the year, I contacted all the relevant people and the RSPCA; they told me to contact the RSPB as it wasn't there concern!!!!!!!
The following morning, when she was on a rooftop, the house owner called the RSPCA prior to the police only to be told that it hadn't been reported to them, so it's wasn't anything to do with them.
Toss pots

[BrianM]

[quote]she came to my house i was apprently keeping a dieing or dead all ready dog which as you said jumped off the sofa to greet this new geust with a lick and a wag of the tail...and the other thing she wanted to see was my eagle that was flying round my kitchen

are you blaming her for doing her job and investigating a report? or angry that she then got annoyed and acted like an idiot? I see your point for the second, but is it really fair to expect them to know everything? 99% of their jobs are cats and dogs as stated, so why expect them to spend more than a days training on very small miniorities like BOP? I am not saying i think they necessarily do a good job, but if they didn't exist i am 100% sure more animals would suffer. Also about the tank, you know you keep them well, but a lot of people don't. Exotics are more popular than ever, so she was probably right to make sure you know what you are doing.
Just trying to see things from the other point of view.[/quote




coldzero ,, you will change your views when you have your visit from the RSPCA ,,, and you will get one ,, anybody who keeps animals of any sort is exceptionally lucky NOT to, because anybody can lift the phone and tell any amount of lies to them and once they are in the door they like to flex their muscle of authority

[ColdZero]

brian i have, my ferret escaped for a few mins, and he was cool. We just talked about falocnry, gamekeeping and how i can help rehabilitate bats, reptiles and stuff, because i asked hehe, he gave me a number and then left. Oh and just ticked a few boxes to say my ferret is in good health.

[BeebosMum]

Ive had a few experiences with the useless PCA (as my hubby dubs them)

1. Halfwit along our road - got a puppy and dumped it outside in the middle of the winter - tied to the railing on his back step - one bowl of water - no blanket and in freezing conditons. Because the dog was tied up and had a bowl of water they wouldnt come out - "nothing to do with us" I was told.

2. Same guy - another dog - tied in the street to his front door handle this time - our front doors open onto our street - not into a garden - see point 1 - same story.

3. Local gypsies - had a horse tethered with no water - on a piece of string - not strong enough to restrain the animal properly in a field next to a main road with no fence. SSPCA - "not our problem"

4. 2 abandoned kittens - only 6-8 weeks old, undernourished and flearidden I found outside in our road - SSPCA - "not their problem"

5 Earlier this year - Baby tawny - I took off some kids up the woods at the back of my hubbys parents house - half dead - dont know how long they had been "playing" with him. Guess what? SSPCA - "PUT IT BACK!!!" - Back? Back where? Kids wouldnt tell me where where they got it from. The woods are huge - and this little guy was frozen and dehydrated. He made it though, I had to take him to work and feed him 6 times a day for a few days until I could get him to friends near Glasgow who run a wildlife shelter. He was doing fine last I heard.

In 10 years Ive never successfully managed to get one these guys to come out for any reason at all. I had to deal with all of the above myself. But Im expecting them out at the gallop when Beebo goes out in his mews/aviary, my A10 and my receipt from the breeder is in an envelope ready to show them when they arrive!! If they try throwing their weight around with me I wont miss them I can tell you!

So what Id like to know is where do all the cute puppies and kittens they supposedly rescue? If I cant get them to come out for a young pup tied up in sub-zero conditions with no shelter then whats the point? It might be better elsewhere in the UK but in our neck of the woods they are truly useless!

[Skeld]

Unfortunately the RSPCA and SSPCA only seem to get involved if it means publicity for them! They are run as a business, I think their last chairman was Peter Davies who used to run the Prudential.
Also consider their views on field sports!
I've heard nothing but bad reports about the one here.

[Superfly]

I used to think the RSPCA were a good group until I got involved with an animal sanctuary. The more stories I heard, the more I wondered.
As folks have already said, they seem to have 2 lines of approach.
one: "Nowt to do wiv us mate" - or two: "I'm clueless, but I have power".

The amount of times I've heard of someone coming in throwing their uneducated weight about because a member of the public had complained. They are little Hitlers a lot of 'em!
Dunno what bird they are looking at, dunno what sort of conditions it SHOULD have but their current one "must be wrong".
The RSPCA charity MAY do (some) good work, but if they are a publicly funded charity run by volunteers - what gives them the right to tell other people what to do? I work as a volunteer for a publicly funded charity - maybe I should start going around telling folks that they are not keeping their animals in the proper manner etc..
They are more a business than a charity to me - when they start talking of the level of profit they make - well frankly - why isn't that profit being poured into welfare of animals and updating some of their own less than stellar establishments.
Hey - perish the thought - but how about training up their staff so they have a goddamn clue what they are on about when it comes to BOPs and the like.