Back packs/ Teflon ribbon

[Falconry Equipment International]

On the subject of back packs , can anyone tell me why 'teflon' ribbon is being used? where you can get this from? why it has to be teflon as opposed to goretex/ nylon etc?
Its just that I had heard from somewhere that , teflon when heated gives of very harmful fumes to BOP ( I seam to remember a story where of teflon linings in walking boots that where being dried on radiator in kitchen causing death of a hawk in room next door)

[OutFlying]

I think is use due to properties of teflon - low friction

[OutFlying]

"Teflon (and teflon ribbon) is one the many wonders of this modern world. It was created by the aerospace industry during the race for space. Teflon is biochemically inert which means that it does not react with enzymes or proteins (your bird). It is the most friction-free substance know to man. The ideal material for a long-wearing harness that may be worn by your bird for years. "

SJ, above taken from WesternSporting web site.

[IAmTheWeasel]

On the subject of back packs , can anyone tell me why 'teflon' ribbon is being used? where you can get this from? why it has to be teflon as opposed to goretex/ nylon etc?
Its just that I had heard from somewhere that , teflon when heated gives of very harmful fumes to BOP ( I seam to remember a story where of teflon linings in walking boots that where being dried on radiator in kitchen causing death of a hawk in room next door)
Well, Don't dry off your hawk on the radiator.... :lol:

[OutFlying]

or fly it into the sun.................................. 8) These game hawks can obtain great pitches you know :wink: Remember the Greek with the wax melting on his wings when he got to near the sun - it all went pear shape :P

[Falconry Equipment International]

Yup Iccarrus & indeed there is an outfit ,not that far from me that call themselves this, however from waht I have heard none of their birds will get that close to the sun :roll: :yawinkle:

[Falconry Equipment International]

"Teflon (and teflon ribbon) is one the many wonders of this modern world. It was created by the aerospace industry during the race for space. Teflon is biochemically inert which means that it does not react with enzymes or proteins (your bird). It is the most friction-free substance know to man. The ideal material for a long-wearing harness that may be worn by your bird for years. "

SJ, above taken from WesternSporting web site.
Hi Of thanks for that, now makes perfects ense, but where do you get it from????
SJ

[OutFlying]

western sporting sell it

[Moritz]

Hi,
I am relly interested in trying a back pack so if anyone buys one, I would be ineterested to make a bulk buy. Some one else?

Thx

Moritz

[Falconry Equipment International]

western sporting sell it
thanks OF

[RabbitHawker]

the tape can be bought direct from the States in quantites of 10 yards (not meters) plus, I think the name of the manufacturer is Bally ribbon mills.

[Saker-Clive]

http://www.ballyribbon.com

[Falconry Equipment International]

Hi,
I am relly interested in trying a back pack so if anyone buys one, I would be ineterested to make a bulk buy. Some one else?

Thx

Moritz
Hi Moritz if it'sMarshalls your talking about you've got 2 hopes and 1 of them is Bob!

[OutFlying]

and the other is none.

[Falconry Equipment International]

and the other is none. that's the one oF:yawinkle:

[LanczSpringer]

This is quite an interesting subject.
being a chemist by trade i will try and look at this in more detail (once my exams are over)

but in the latest copy of the IBR on page 163 there is an interesting article titled "Killers at home and in the car"

I quick read of this article and I though it was a little OTT but maybe with a small element of truth and fact!
A lot of the killer chemicals, bad chemicals, etc etc portray that all chemicals are bad, nasty, polluting things but in reality its all rubbish.
if it wasn't for 99% of all the "Known" chemicals we would have a life alot different than we have now, for a start no plastic computer keyboards etc......

anyway enough of defending the chemical industry, the article is a little strange who/ why would any one take two small birds out in a car????
it was probably a few things exhabuorated by this stressful trip that killed these poor Innocent birds and TEFLON or Chemicals are the easy things to blame.
as i said its intrigued me and I will try and look into it a little more!

By the way look up the hazards of "Dihydrogen Monoxide"

http://www.ndc.edu/sutheimer/dihydrogen%20oxide.htm

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html


I will type the article below for those tight gits that haven't bought a new IBR


How many of us have birds that have died unexpectedly? we had two young birds, a harris and a redtail. We had to go out for the day and took them with us in a brooder in the car so that they could be fed. They were only in the car for an hour in each direction. 24 hours later they were both dead. They had been neurologically "poisoned". The vet told us to check the house and car for anything that could produce strong toxins. The only thing that it could have been was the car air freshener.
After numerous phonecalls and emails to the company concerned we eventually got a list of "ingredients" although they would not give us the "secret ingredients". It stated

2 hazardous components
section 3 physical/chemical characteristics

HAZARDS: Adsorption though skin
inhalation of fumes
ingestion
store in a well vented areas away from heat

How many of us make sure that the car window is open and the heater in not on when using a car air freshener?

Another killer to which a whole web site is dedicated is TELFON (polytetrafluoethylene). There are many brand names for this - Silverstone, Fluron, Supra, Greblon, T Fal to name but a few.

Birds can die from neurological poisionining when exposed to the fumes. The toxins travel on air currents so not all the birds in the same room are necessarily exposed at the same time. Joanie Doss (author of The Silent Killer) reports that Teflon starts emitting fumes from the start of heating. A frying pan or iron does not have to be "hot" to start the process.

Teflon is also found on heat lamps, portable heaters, irons, ironing board covers and many cooking utensils. Small birds breathing these fumes can die an agonising death within 24 hours.

The best advise is dont put your birds under a heat lamp (unless you have checked it is not coated with Teflon) in the kitchen where there is an air freshner.

References: The alaska bird club newsletter
http://theaviary.com/teflon.shtml

[Falconry Equipment International]

By the way look up the hazards of "Dihydrogen Monoxide"

m Is this a trick question? Am I incorrect in thinking this is H2O?............Doh oops: just visited the links :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
How many of us make sure that the car window is open and the heater in not on when using a car air freshener?


you should smell the inside of my car, after using it as hawk transport etc for the last 4.5 yrs we HAVE to have the windows down! :lol: :lol: :

[LanczSpringer]

10/10 to screamin jay

guess you paid attention in the chemistry classes!
;-)
the websites about Dihydrogen monoxide are quite funny, some guy sent out an email to some green group about trying to ban dihydrogen monoxide and listed aload of good facts!!

[Falconry Equipment International]

10/10 to screamin jay

guess you paid attention in the chemistry classes!
;-)
the websites about Dihydrogen monoxide are quite funny, some guy sent out an email to some green group about trying to ban dihydrogen monoxide and listed aload of good facts!!
Sorry LS just edited my last post,, sorry to give the game away :lol: :lol:

[Chris S]

used to work with PTFE (teflon)only harmfull if burnt like on the end of a fag they call it teflon flu they say its like having flu but ten times worse

[Wightwings]

interesting read guys, being a H&S advisor in the construction industry i come across this type of thing for humans on an almost daily basis. Must admit i am paranoid when it comes to good ventilation for the birds in all situations and always ensure good diluted ventilation when travelling them in the boxes and never have heating on or air fresheners around if they are indoors........great subject