Training A Seagul?

[CotswoldRedtail]

ok i know im going to get poo for this and i probably deserve it,but works quiet and i think too much!...
People sucessfuly train corvids,they're intelligent creatures, do you think the same would be possible with,say a herring gull? Dont all shoot me at once!

[Pearl]

just the one question why ????lol:wink:

[Harrisii]

i assume one could train down most birds if imprinted etc.
but you would look kinda out of place on a field meet.

but would love to see it, lol.

can you think what this gull thinks of it????

[CotswoldRedtail]

lol, like i said, i think too much. There doesnt seem to me to be any use or purpose other than to prove/disprove its possible!

[Little Joe]

ok i know im going to get **** for this and i probably deserve it,but works quiet and i think too much!...
People sucessfuly train corvids,they're intelligent creatures, do you think the same would be possible with,say a herring gull? Dont all shoot me at once!

Pretty sure you can. They are quite clever as well. And they are flock birds, so you should have a cool relationship with an imprint - if you can deal with the screaming... But it doesnt seem to bother Harris hawkers...:roll::D

Have you read Richard Bach's Jonothan Livingstone Seagull? Probably the most amazing book I ever read. I've bought many copies over the years and end up giving them to special people in my life.

[CotswoldRedtail]

i assume one could train down most birds if imprinted etc.
but you would look kinda out of place on a field meet.

but would love to see it, lol.

can you think what this gull thinks of it????
Yeah, in the bag today...28 worms and some streaky-back off the local landfill!

[FireAsh123]

had two jackdaws one was the young of that year and tamed up quite quickly before my dad accidently let it loose, and the other was a bird from last season or older and was a right aggressive **** and wasnt worth the hassel to try. first one was feeding off my hand in the first day and had loads of meat on it. older bird was the same but just didnt want to know.

[Harris]

Be great fun chip "gulling" around the sea frount. :lol:

[Kennelre]

Have you read Richard Bach's Jonothan Livingstone Seagull? Probably the most amazing book I ever read. I've bought many copies over the years and end up giving them to special people in my life.


Yes, I've read it...often!! It is indeed special.
I have an unusual copy, printed in Korea with a folder which comprises the book itself and an accompagnying book of authors notes. I can't read the notes because they're in Korean:roll:..but there's a picture of Bach with an obviously tame seagull and the caption 'Bach and Buddy'. I therefore assume it's possible to make a buddy of a seagull!!!:lol::lol:


...Rene.

[Graham Stuart]

I wonder if you took it out flying you would get mobbed by hawks:yawinkle:...Graham

[Sophie]

i have thought about this one myself actually, i reckon a gull would be very trainable... my concern would be how aggressive an imprint would be as they are so over confident in the wild anyway :confused:

[FlameHairedFalconer]

i have thought about this one myself actually, i reckon a gull would be very trainable... my concern would be how aggressive an imprint would be as they are so over confident in the wild anyway :confused:

I am saying nothing about you and seagulls Soph for fear of embarrasing another member on here :lol::lol:

[Rex06]

Here is another one, i have asked this to myself to, only thing thats stops me from doing it is finding one that is born in captivety. (i choose great black backed gull)

I would love it to have it soring,probebly higher than a falcon. (as alot of falcons in the uk and over here, never go higher than 300 feet) and howmuch falcons are only flown on the lure, has nothing to do with falconry, just like owls and vultures, etc.... But it is still welcome on the iff ! so why no gulls?

greetzz

I also heard they smell really bad!

[Wise_As_The_Wind]

i picked up a seagull that was rejected by its parents at about 1 or 2 weeks.

I kept it till it could fly and fend for itself.

i had no intention of training it, or letting it get imprinted.

he was a dude. one day i came back from work, lent out the window and tapped a spoon on a plate... (normally he would come sprinting out and wait for me to feed him) ... on this occasion he strutted out from his hiding place, shunned the food and stood square in front of me. he stared me in the eye, opened his wings and flew around in a wide circle landing on exactly the same spot, he gave me a long stare and then in the most stupidly proud seagull way swaggered upto me and ate some food...there is no doubt that both me and him knew that was the last time id feed him.


you could definately train one.

went upto the same place the other week with a pere saker...couldnt find him though

[JayInOz]

Pretty sure you can. They are quite clever as well. And they are flock birds, so you should have a cool relationship with an imprint - if you can deal with the screaming... But it doesnt seem to bother Harris hawkers...:roll::D

Have you read Richard Bach's Jonothan Livingstone Seagull? Probably the most amazing book I ever read. I've bought many copies over the years and end up giving them to special people in my life.

G'day Joe- I enjoyed the book also. Aussie Bob Hudson wrote a song version called Jonathan Livingston budgerigar :) You might want to also google another big hit of his- Teenage Cremation. :)
Trained gulls- hmmm. The perfect longwing baggie perhaps? Jay(InOz).

[Gentle]

You could train one to infiltrate a gang of wild gulls and get them to clear out of city centres.

[Kennelre]

You could train one to infiltrate a gang of wild gulls and get them to clear out of city centres.


Cunning plan!!!:roll:
Are we talking about gentle persuasion...or 'HitGull'?:lol::lol:
What would be his weapon of choice?
Or perhaps he's just a cult leader sort of gull...and he'd lead them all to the promised land.
The options are endless!!!:yawinkle:


...Rene.

[MusketMad]

I have trained a couple of gulls and for theose of you that say that you can train the parent reaed ones id like to see you try ...The ones i trained were imprints and its the rearing that is the difficult part i.e giving them the right food etc ...if you want some info pm me mate ...

p.s why do people post on this thread when its clear they havent a ****ing clue what they are on about :roll:

[Shaun Bannister]

yes you can and i have as a kid i had a pet herring gull for several months ,it was what would be reffered to these days as an imprint,no problems ,simple process, just like dealing with any other nestling bird except for birds of prey,as a kid i had pretty much all sorts as pet birds ,most corvids of course ,blackies ,thrushes ,sparrows etc even a cormorant for a while
it only gets complex with bop's the rest are a doddle and my young kids often had a pet jackie or maggie
it was a painful way to wake up in the morning though ,when it tapped you on the head ! (probably explains a lot !)

[MusketMad]

yes you can and i have as a kid i had a pet herring gull for several months ,it was what would be reffered to these days as an imprint,no problems ,simple process, just like dealing with any other nestling bird except for birds of prey,as a kid i had pretty much all sorts as pet birds ,most corvids of course ,blackies ,thrushes ,sparrows etc even a cormorant for a while
it only gets complex with bop's the rest are a doddle and my young kids often had a pet jackie or maggie
it was a painful way to wake up in the morning though ,when it tapped you on the head ! (probably explains a lot !)Did you keep it in your bedroom then???

[Matthew Patching]

ok i know im going to get **** for this and i probably deserve it,but works quiet and i think too much!...
People sucessfuly train corvids,they're intelligent creatures, do you think the same would be possible with,say a herring gull? Dont all shoot me at once!

No mate, even if you get them as eggs they still have a massive fear response to humans, I have 5 herring gulls at work, and despite the fact that they are relatively intelligent, they still display fear of everything. I taught 2 of them a retrieve, and they spent more time flying away from the bowl that they had to put a swivel into than actualy doing it. They also need to be low in weight to get a responce out of them, the best I have managed is sort of 1/2 sanctuary training them to a table top, with a food reward provided!

[Sophie]

I am saying nothing about you and seagulls Soph for fear of embarrasing another member on here :lol:

pmsl :lol: ;) gotta love her :heart:

[Shaun Bannister]

Did you keep it in your bedroom then???

of course,but only in the night, rest of the time it would have the run of the house /garden, me mam wasnt going to feed it had a gob like a tunnel and cleared the bread and milk in seconds along with everything else

it meant i always carried a clear up rag with me !

[MusketMad]

of course,but only in the night, rest of the time it would have the run of the house /garden, me mam wasnt going to feed it had a gob like a tunnel and cleared the bread and milk in seconds along with everything else

it meant i always carried a clear up rag with me !
no kidding mate ...herring gulls can seriously ****....

[Shaun Bannister]

No mate, even if you get them as eggs they still have a massive fear response to humans, I have 5 herring gulls at work, and despite the fact that they are relatively intelligent, they still display fear of everything. I taught 2 of them a retrieve, and they spent more time flying away from the bowl that they had to put a swivel into than actualy doing it. They also need to be low in weight to get a responce out of them, the best I have managed is sort of 1/2 sanctuary training them to a table top, with a food reward provided!

cant agree mathew ,they, like all nestling imprints ive dealt with are a doddle and daft as a brush
having said that i never tried to get them to do anything other than be a pet and enjoy their company

[Shaun Bannister]

no kidding mate ...herring gulls can seriously ****....

not as bad as owls though ! we got used to it in our house and i was made to be diligent or i got battered ,its amazing what motivates a 12 yr old to work hard :P

[Bullet]

what ever you do,train just the one, you dont want to get caught gang gulling on here now do you:supz:

[Paris]

ok i know im going to get **** for this and i probably deserve it,but works quiet and i think too much!...
People sucessfuly train corvids,they're intelligent creatures, do you think the same would be possible with,say a herring gull? Dont all shoot me at once!

Trained a wood pigeon 2 year's a got sum photo's of him he was a little STAR , He was killed that year still miss him .the jesse's was just a bit of fun

But not a seagul

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Regards Harry.Pyle.

[Harrisii]

Every animal is trainable, adult or not, but with dangerous animals that are not imprinted you need to train them in protected contact, which mean with solid bars between the animal and you! If you want close contact with dangerous or flighty mammals, imprinting it is the way to go.

And keep in mind that when you see a truly dangerous animal in contact with humans, such as a tiger or elephant, imprinted or not, this animal has been beaten. Elephants in particular, each and every one of them who work in close contact with human, went through a very cruel training to make sure they were afraid enough of humans not to hurt them. Or not to hurt them yet... Elephant trainers are renowned for dying in duty.

thanks kitana.

if some animals are not tamable then how can they be trainable?

do you mean animals which cannot be tamed can be trained to do something?


i think a sea gull could best be described as dangerous and flighty, thats why i suggested imprinting it.


what ever you do,train just the one, you dont want to get caught gang gulling on here now do you

quality.

[Harrisii]

Trained a wood pigeon 2 year's a got sum photo's of him he was a little STAR , He was killed that year still miss him .the jesse's was just a bit of fun

But not a seagul




Regards Harry.Pyle.

it wasnt you who sold the guy the woody saying it was a male harris and not to open the box till he got home,, was it??

[Paris]

it wasnt you who sold the guy the woody saying it was a male harris and not to open the box till he got home,, was it??

SORRY I LIKED MY WOODY BETTER, ONLY JOKING. DF NO

Harry

[Harrisii]

:yawinkle:


SORRY I LIKED MY WOODY BETTER, ONLY JOKING. DF NO

Harry

[Mark Collins]

It could share a pen with eva if you like, seriously, they probably make good pets, pretty smart gulls, corvids make good pets so a gull should also, wont it put you off hunting them though????

[Matthew Patching]

cant agree mathew ,they, like all nestling imprints ive dealt with are a doddle and daft as a brush
having said that i never tried to get them to do anything other than be a pet and enjoy their company

Wrong, you state you had it for a couple of months, what happened to it, I will bet if flew off. Once they get past the baby stage, they fear everything, why would I lie, I have trained 5 herring gulls, (which are now 3 years old) my boss has trained tons of them for Jonathan livingstone Seagull (the film) even he says they are all the bloody same.

You have one isolated experience with one single gull so why should you be right and I be wrong.

[Leo 1]

ok i know im going to get **** for this and i probably deserve it,but works quiet and i think too much!...
People sucessfuly train corvids,they're intelligent creatures, do you think the same would be possible with,say a herring gull? Dont all shoot me at once!

THAT WOOD BE COOL TO SEE LOL WEARD BIT COOL

[Shaun Bannister]

Wrong, you state you had it for a couple of months, what happened to it, I will bet if flew off. Once they get past the baby stage, they fear everything, why would I lie, I have trained 5 herring gulls, (which are now 3 years old) my boss has trained tons of them for Jonathan livingstone Seagull (the film) even he says they are all the bloody same.

You have one isolated experience with one single gull so why should you be right and I be wrong.

i was reffering to their lack of fear you mentioned cant remember how long i had it it was 30 odd yrs ago,i have to say ive had pretty much every kind of "pet " bird and animal as a kid ,like i say i didnt train any of them other than their own inate abilites to do tricks like most pet birds im afraid a cat got it ,ive had corvids over several years that never had the urge to fly away
one (a crow) nearly got me suspended from school because he would constantly turn up in the school yard some 3 miles away and id be asked to get him shifted ,ive lots of 8mm film of them which is nice but cant figutre how to transfer it to an upload
but like you said ive had one youve had five i can only relate to my experince with them and im certainly not going to get into a debate on the merits of gull training !or not ! does make it hard to kill the corvids when youve had them as pets as a kid but then again most have a rabbit at some stage

[Hacker]

Wrong, you state you had it for a couple of months, what happened to it, I will bet if flew off. Once they get past the baby stage, they fear everything, why would I lie, I have trained 5 herring gulls, (which are now 3 years old) my boss has trained tons of them for Jonathan livingstone Seagull (the film) even he says they are all the bloody same.

You have one isolated experience with one single gull so why should you be right and I be wrong.

Maybe you need to get a job you might be good at:lol::lol::lol:

[Matthew Patching]

Maybe you need to get a job you might be good at:lol::lol::lol:

LOL. Yep thats right they keep me employed to make the tea. If I was that poor at my job, I wouldnt be here!

[CarlosR]

Here you could train a seagull to snatch hamburgers from kids at McDonalds... maybe jewelry, you know you might be on to something? The perfect crime and criminal.

[Kitana]

Here you could train a seagull to snatch hamburgers from kids at McDonalds...

No need to train them to do that, they already are masters at it!

[It's Alright Ma]

A friend of mine once tried the process of waking with a seagull. Trouble was that the gull ended up waking everyone else in the house. He gave up and took it back to the landfill, where they now both happily reside, albeit both untrained

[Harrisii]

A friend of mine once tried the process of waking with a seagull. Trouble was that the gull ended up waking everyone else in the house. He gave up and took it back to the landfill, where they now both happily reside, albeit both untrained

jeez oh,

i have heard folk are tight up in Aberdeen. but to use a gull instead of an alarm clock like everyone else is fred flintstone stuff.

i loved that story. put a smile on my face.

[FalconGriff]

Like most Centers we get the sick and injured brought in by Joe Public including Sea gulls as balls of fluff that have come out of the nest early. Which we then raise and release as soon they can fly. I know its a bit odd every morning I go out and kill them doing bird control and then come home and feed the babies.:confused:. When they start to fly because they have been fed on DOC they soon make their way to the flying field where, because they learn to fly a lot faster than my young falcons out at hack are soon putting on a good display at stooping to the falcon lure. The public love it!:lol: Eventually they go on their way and we don't see them again. Now the strange bit nearly every year we get white molted birds that around July / August time turn up that start to stoop to the lure or wait for chicks to be thrown into the air for them. Homing Gulls with long memories, Yes I think they can be trained!!:box:

[CotswoldRedtail]

It could share a pen with eva if you like, seriously, they probably make good pets, pretty smart gulls, corvids make good pets so a gull should also, wont it put you off hunting them though????
Now now mark thats as near as damm it bagging!
I never said i was actually going to do it just wondered if it were achieveable. And no, i dont think it would stop me killing them, i dont murder out of dislike or hatred, i hunt out of respect for hawk and quarry alike so i could as Griff said hunt them by morning and 'fly' them by afternoon!

[CopperBarn]

Lets go back to the seagull. Yes you can train them. I have trained one to come and knock on my grandparents window every time it wanted bread...it was parent reared aswell.:supz:

[Jiff]

i havnt read all replies so if i repeat soz, goto any town center or seaside resort and see how well trained the local bird life is, i like whitby in north yorkshire! walk the prom with nowt and youre on youre own, buy some fish and chips and you have as manny hand feeding seagulls as you can handle, walk my local town center with youre hands in youre pocket again youre on youre own, buy some chips from barnicles (for the birds they are unfit for us) and in no time you have youre own flock of starlings and feral pigeons, fact is all birds can be food trained, budgies, canaries, finches, ducks, rias, ostriches all of em!:lol:

[Kitana]

Like most Centers we get the sick and injured brought in by Joe Public including Sea gulls as balls of fluff that have come out of the nest early. Which we then raise and release as soon they can fly. I know its a bit odd every morning I go out and kill them doing bird control and then come home and feed the babies.:confused:.

It's not weird at all, you are just making sure that the supply of gulls will never end so your job will always be secure. We all know it's the firemen that put things on fire... lol

[Kat67]

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http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=55805

[CotswoldRedtail]

nice work Kat :heart:

[Kat67]

You're welcome... You'd better damn well train a soddin' seagull now or else pmsl:supz:

[CotswoldRedtail]

oh hell! I was never planning to but mayb i will now!

[Matthew Patching]

oh hell! I was never planning to but mayb i will now!

Good luck...............

[PistolPeteHurley]

This is the kind of thread I love... someone mentioned a Cormorant on here?? That's amazing.

I would love to sea someone hunting with a meating bird by the sea or on a river.

Anyone know of anyone managing that with Ospreys/Sea Eagles etc or even non-BOP sea birds?

Pete