Lets see the best Indian Hood you have?

[FalcBenry]

Do you have any good looking indian hood ?
We have seen lots of dutch .
Cheers.
Ben.

[Gos'n]

http://<a href="http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/?action=view&current=RTHood1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/RTHood1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[Gos'n]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/RTHood1.jpg

[Gos'n]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/RTHood2.jpg

I can never post a pic the first try! Age!

[Tim Laycock]

"Fake snake" on my Saker
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/browning027.jpg

[CanadaManada]

"Fake snake" on my Saker
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/browning027.jpg

Now THAT'S a hood!

Justin

[Tim Laycock]

Cheers Justin

[CanadaManada]

Tim,
Did you laminate the fakesnake onto the leather, then cut the pattern, or did you build the hood and put the fakesnake on later?
I tried getting lizardskin onto a hood after I had made it. NO GOOD, JUSTIN! :-|

[Java Falconer]

Cool. How did you guys stick it with, sewn it or glued it?

[Tim Laycock]

Tim,
Did you laminate the fakesnake onto the leather, then cut the pattern, or did you build the hood and put the fakesnake on later?
I tried getting lizardskin onto a hood after I had made it. NO GOOD, JUSTIN! :-|
Justin,
Its laminated.
Prior to cutting the pattern out I just contact adhesive the materials together and go over it with a rolling pin. (When the wife isnt hitting me with it)

Cool. How did you guys stick it with, sewn it or glued it?
Mine is glued and sewn.

[SakerJack]

Here is my Moridian Blocked Indian Style hood

[SakerJack]

One from my web site,, different top knot..

[Gos'n]

Cool. How did you guys stick it with, sewn it or glued it?
Mine is sewn, but glueing works as well or better.

[CarlosR]

Those are beautiful hoods.

[Grovsey]

nice work guys :supz::supz::supz:
ian

[Barkai]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/RTHood2.jpg

I can never post a pic the first try! Age!

Sorry mate, but this is NOT an Indian hood, it is an Anglo/Indian hood. Indian hoods are bracless.
It is very nice though :supz:

[Sean D]

Justin,
Its laminated.
Prior to cutting the pattern out I just contact adhesive the materials together and go over it with a rolling pin. (When the wife isnt hitting me with it)


Mine is glued and sewn.

Could you tell me where the fake snake is from please

[Sean D]

Sorry mate, but this is NOT an Indian hood, it is an Anglo/Indian hood. Indian hoods are bracless.
It is very nice though :supz:

So, so far only Kens hood is a true Indian

[Tim Laycock]

Could you tell me where the fake snake is from please

Ian Vance

[Sean D]

If we still had the thanks button I would use it, so thanks:lol::lol:

[ChinaHood]

Last year, I created Indian Hood...........

[CanadaManada]

I did last year, the Indian Hood.....yawinkle:

Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Justin

[Gos'n]

Yes, once again outclassed by Chinahood!
John

[Tim Laycock]

So, so far only Kens hood is a true Indian

One of Kens hoods pictured only has no braces because it is yet to be braced.
Technicaly there are NO "true" indian hoods on this thread currently.

[SakerJack]

I am confused then on Indian hoods? Pictured is a hood from my collection from
mohamid din behind the railway lahore pakistan circa 1950s,, it certainly is an Indian hood but it also has a brace system..

[SakerJack]

From the back notice the short braces

[SakerJack]

last picture

[Tim Laycock]

Yes Ken. That is an Indian pattern.
The "Braces" look as though they cannot be drawn or struck in a regular way and that they are infact just the ends of the throat lash offering slight size adjustment.
Is this correct?

[SakerJack]

Yes Ken. That is an Indian pattern.
The "Braces" look as though they cannot be drawn or struck in a regular way and that they are infact just the ends of the throat lash offering slight size adjustment.
Is this correct?

That makes sense Tim,,they do open a small amount ,, certainly not like traditional braces though.

[Tim Laycock]

I would like to know which genius had the flash of inspiration and allied dutch braces with the Indian pattern hood.

Guy Aylmer gets due credit for his aylmeri but what of the man who made comfortable working/braced hoods a realistic proposition for even the most club handed and unequipped of hoodmakers.

Hats off to him :supz:

[Tony James]

I would like to know which genius had the flash of inspiration and allied dutch braces with the Indian pattern hood.

Guy Aylmer gets due credit for his aylmeri but what of the man who made comfortable working/braced hoods a realistic proposition for even the most club handed and unequipped of hoodmakers.

Hats off to him :supz:

The throat lash that extends around the indian hood from Ken's collection is the traditional device for making slight alteration to the size or fit of an indian hood (it can be pulled up to slightly concertina the bottom edge of the hood to make the circumference less).
If you now imagine the stiches at the back of the hood being unpicked, you can also imagine that the ends of the throatlash could be used in the manner of braces to close the hood.
By the addition of simple tabs to strike the hood, basic braces were created for indian hoods, an early example of which I have in front of me (this predates the advent of the anglo-indian hood as we know it).

As with many things falconry, those laying claim to original innovation have done little more than further develop an existing idea (or in some cases have just pinched the idea and claimed it as their own:yawinkle:).

Funnily enough, Guy Aylmer will forever be credited with the invention of the jesses we all use today (because of the name obviously), yet Bill Ruttledge, who was as instrumental in the development of the idea, is largely unacknowledged.

I suspect those two gentlemen, along with others like Jack Mavrogordato and Anthony Jack, would, because of their associations with falconers from India and other countries, have had something to do with the increased use of anglo-indian hoods if not actually developing them.

Interesting question.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[alsagr]

Hi,

maybe this pattern is afghan,like this in Philip Glasier's book-Falconry and hawking?!!?!?

[Tim Laycock]

The throat lash that extends around the indian hood from Ken's collection is the traditional device for making slight alteration to the size or fit of an indian hood (it can be pulled up to slightly concertina the bottom edge of the hood to make the circumference less).
If you now imagine the stiches at the back of the hood being unpicked, you can also imagine that the ends of the throatlash could be used in the manner of braces to close the hood.
By the addition of simple tabs to strike the hood, basic braces were created for indian hoods, an early example of which I have in front of me (this predates the advent of the anglo-indian hood as we know it).

As with many things falconry, those laying claim to original innovation have done little more than further develop an existing idea (or in some cases have just pinched the idea and claimed it as their own:yawinkle:).

Funnily enough, Guy Aylmer will forever be credited with the invention of the jesses we all use today (because of the name obviously), yet Bill Ruttledge, who was as instrumental in the development of the idea, is largely unacknowledged.

I suspect those two gentlemen, along with others like Jack Mavrogordato and Anthony Jack, would, because of their associations with falconers from India and other countries, have had something to do with the increased use of anglo-indian hoods if not actually developing them.

Interesting question.

Best wishes,

Tony.

Thanks for that Tony 8-)

[CanadaManada]

Here's one I've just now made up for a tiercel pr gos with hooding issues. 48mm. It isn't much to look at aside from the braces. The spring braces can be set to close much like a trap, once the hood is in place. After the falconer becomes accustomed to the feel of this style of hood, there are few birds that he would find unhoodable.

Justin

[Barkai]

From the back notice the short braces

this is a real Indian. :supz:

[Barkai]

From the back notice the short braces

These are not real braces, the are there to tighten the throat of the hood.
They are not tightened after the hood is put on but adjusted after it is taken of till it fits well.
These are very good field hoods.
You can unhood your hawk when in the field with out striking the braces.
I love these hoods.
Regards,
Stephen

[OLHAWKER]

Here's one I've just now made up for a tiercel pr gos with hooding issues. 48mm. It isn't much to look at aside from the braces. The spring braces can be set to close much like a trap, once the hood is in place. After the falconer becomes accustomed to the feel of this style of hood, there are few birds that he would find unhoodable.

Justin
Attached Imageshttp://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=67693&stc=1&d=1231144556

Nice job on the spring mechanism. I've often thought the concept was intriguing and would certainly have advantages, but I was always concerned about two possible issues with such a device: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/icons/icon5.gif

1. Does the back opening pinch the feathers at the back of the head when the hood closes and if so, to what extent. Is this a problem?

2. Does the bird ever get a talon snagged in the spring, for example while scratching its head?

[OutHawkn]

Last year, I created Indian Hood...........

Do you have a website?

[Pirate Of Penzance]

the aylmeri jess came much earler from turkey i am sure john loft wrote on the subject years ago, i will see if i can find the quote the earliest kangeroo leather reference i can find is from blaine 1930s anybody got an earlrer one in haste the pirate:)

[ChinaHood]

Do you have a website?

`Regret`
There are no my own website.. What you want to see?:yawinkle:

[CanadaManada]

Here's one I've just now made up for a tiercel pr gos with hooding issues. 48mm. It isn't much to look at aside from the braces. The spring braces can be set to close much like a trap, once the hood is in place. After the falconer becomes accustomed to the feel of this style of hood, there are few birds that he would find unhoodable.

Justin
Attached Imageshttp://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=67693&stc=1&d=1231144556

Nice job on the spring mechanism. I've often thought the concept was intriguing and would certainly have advantages, but I was always concerned about two possible issues with such a device: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/icons/icon5.gif

1. Does the back opening pinch the feathers at the back of the head when the hood closes and if so, to what extent. Is this a problem?

2. Does the bird ever get a talon snagged in the spring, for example while scratching its head?

I got my braces from Gaylen Gerish. In his many years of using this system he has never had a problem. I don't see how spring braces could cause more pinching as I feel that comes down to the design of the hood, itself.

Justin

[OLHAWKER]

I just was just thinking a traditionally braced hood smooths down the rear head feathers as the bird is hooded (before it is closed) which doesn't happen with a spring closed hood. I am really interested in the concept and am just probing for any negatives. Some birds, especially those new to the hood, will foot at it and I was concerned about snagging the spring device. And as you know, birds frequently try to scratch their heads while hooded.

Buy the way, that's a very provocative stitch pattern on your hood. Excellent and carefull work. Very nice.

Wayne

[Pirate Of Penzance]

first person to fit indian hood with braces was said to be a lady near sailsbury plain early last century for blaine :) palmer and others pre bfc days , we need to ceck out early british photos to verify the period.

[Pirate Of Penzance]

i suppose most british people on this thread two days ago are at the international field meet at norton park so the threads gone quite now :roll:

[Tim Laycock]

first person to fit indian hood with braces was said to be a lady near sailsbury plain early last century for blaine :) palmer and others pre bfc days , we need to ceck out early british photos to verify the period.

Thanks for that 8-)

[Tony James]

first person to fit indian hood with braces was said to be a lady near sailsbury plain early last century for blaine :) palmer and others pre bfc days , we need to ceck out early british photos to verify the period.

Hi Mark,

I'm afraid I'm not yet at Norton Park, and from all the reports I've had, it seems I've missed a brilliant day.
I've heard that tale too, but suspect we're unlikely to ever know the full story. Personally, given the connections between british and indian falconry during the time of the Maharajah Duhleep Singh and before, I'd be surprised if the advent of the anglo-indian hood didn't come about earlier than that.
It would be interesting to find a really early photo of one that's for sure, although I can't even think of a pre WWII picture off the top of my head.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[CanadaManada]

I just was just thinking a traditionally braced hood smooths down the rear head feathers as the bird is hooded (before it is closed) which doesn't happen with a spring closed hood. I am really interested in the concept and am just probing for any negatives. Some birds, especially those new to the hood, will foot at it and I was concerned about snagging the spring device. And as you know, birds frequently try to scratch their heads while hooded.

Buy the way, that's a very provocative stitch pattern on your hood. Excellent and carefull work. Very nice.

Wayne

I see what you mean now, Wayne. I have another couple hoods here that have a flap in the back. That little triangle sticking up in the back of an anglo-indian can be made much bigger and folded down inside the back to provide 100% protection to the feathers as the back closes outside this extension. Sort of like the tongue in a pair of shoes. As for a new bird footing the hood I can't see how to avoid it if it will happen but the outcome would be no different than with any other hood. I once asked Gaylen about birds getting talons caught and he said he's never seen it happen over the course of dozens of birds in these hoods. I have full confidence in the system and will continue to use/reccomend it when appropriate.

Justin

[CanVibe]

last picture
Hey Ken,

In regards to your Indian Hood post, Are you familar with the term Anglo-Indian? My wife's family are from Lahore. They are Anglo-Indian. Basically they are the equivalent to the Metis here in Canada.

Greg

[Brian C.]

SO question..... I was talking with Wayne "Olhawker" yesterday about these hoods. What makes the braceless hood work? What keeps the style from just being scratched off? Is it the shaped portion in the back of the head or......... I have a pattern for the Bracless one that I have been playing with. The only thing I dont really care for is how close it comes to the birds eyes when you put it on.....Is this something they get used too or is it just a downfall of this style. I think this is a super sharp looking hood. I just want to really understand how it works before I use it alot. Also want my birds to be happy with it. Thank you!


Cheers,
Brian

[Tony James]

SO question..... I was talking with Wayne "Olhawker" yesterday about these hoods. What makes the braceless hood work? What keeps the style from just being scratched off? Is it the shaped portion in the back of the head or......... I have a pattern for the Bracless one that I have been playing with. The only thing I dont really care for is how close it comes to the birds eyes when you put it on.....Is this something they get used too or is it just a downfall of this style. I think this is a super sharp looking hood. I just want to really understand how it works before I use it alot. Also want my birds to be happy with it. Thank you!


Cheers,
Brian

Hi Brian,

if you think of a normal braced hood as a shoe with laces, the indian hood is the equivalent of a slip on shoe --- and a well fitting one, like a well fitting slip on shoe, works well enough.
I'm assuming the pattern you have is not an indian one, as indian hoods are normally very clear of the hawks eyes (if you have any doubts in that department, best not to use it).

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Brian C.]

Its kinda of hard to discribe. Its very clear of the eyes when its on. However when you put it on, the sides....like the bottom of the eye panels on a dutch....are very close to the face as it goes over the head. Once on its great. I will try to get some pics of them on soon...so you can see them. Thank you for your reply Tony! :)

Cheers!
Brian

[Gos'n]

I may be wrong, and I do like the discussion about what is and what isn't a Indian hood, but my take on the original request was to see some nice hoods not based on a blocked dutch style.
Let's see some more!
John

[Gos'n]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/falconryheritage214.jpg
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/falconryheritage209.jpg

[Gos'n]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/falconryheritage207.jpg

[Gos'n]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/falconryheritage216.jpg

The above photos were sent to me by Tony James

[Tony James]

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l409/jfoley57/falconryheritage216.jpg

The above photos were sent to me by Tony James

I really should get some lessons in how to use a computer myself!

Thanks for posting them,

Tony.

[HCF]

hi gys,
here are one or two mine,
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z147/hcf_photos/hoods/DSC01132.jpg
andy

[HCF]

and,
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z147/hcf_photos/hoods/DSC01151.jpg
andy

[HCF]

and another,
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z147/hcf_photos/lizardskinhood017.jpg

andy

[CanadaManada]

and another,
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z147/hcf_photos/lizardskinhood017.jpg

andy

Forgive me if I've gotten your intention wrong, but I think the flap at the back is supposed to tuck inside the hood to prevent the feathers being pinched when the braces ae struck. You'd need to run the braces outside then under the slits on the flap, then back outside.
I've a few such hoods in my wee collection.

Justin

[SakerJack]

Nice collection Tony!!