the offending swivel

[BrianM]

a picture of the swivel that broke,,,,,, anybody else use them,, got them off ebay,,,



















if so bin them

[Falconry Equipment International]

a picture of the swivel that broke,,,,,, anybody else use them,, got them off ebay,,,
Brian these are sh*&e , they are NOT Stainless steel , despite some ebay sellers claims . Theye are cast and unfortunately this has been an accident waitning to happen, just very bad luck it was you.
I have to admit to selling these swivels, but, I ALWAYS add a codicil stating that these are NOT for tethering, but just as an emergency swivel if you find you self somehwere and your without a swivel these will suffice but once you have the hawk home safely throw the swivel away. Unfortunately there are less scrupulous sellers of these about. Sadly I have also tried to sell my top quality stainless steel swivels on ebay and there is little or no intersest , even trying to sell them at cost price to me!
at the end of the day is your hawk worth a tenner?

[BrianM]

do me a price then for four then SJ

[Falconry Equipment International]

do me a price then for four then SJ
What birds are they 4 or are we talking 2 Fharris/ 2 falcon & are u using loop leashes?
Ps Brian m8 meant to say I was not being jusdgemental on your abilities etc etc just thought I should say it the way i feel it is in the case of these swivels
hope this makes sense.

[BrianM]

1 lugger 1 male harris and hopefully 1 female harris,,,,,,if i get her back,,, 1 spare

[Falconry Equipment International]

1 lugger 1 male harris and hopefully 1 female harris,,,,,,if i get her back,,, 1 spare
Brian I'll Pm you in next 24 hrs. V busy at the moi regards
SJ

[Shaun Byrne]

No wonder it broke Brian, they are only any good for lure swivels.

[BrianM]

i am afraid it didnt say anything of that when i bought them hawka

[Falconry Equipment International]

could this be a problem with trying to get bargains of ebay?( no offence meant Brain) :wink:

[BrianM]

yep point taken ,,,, but i didnt concider them a bargin, they were just somthing that i needed,, and not knowing at the time ebay was the place i bought most of my stuff,,,,, i now know better,,,,,,,,

[OutFlying]

BrianM, it a brave man that put's a good hawk on a cheap swivel.

[BrianM]

they wernt that cheap,,,,,,,i think they were 20 quid for 3 ,, but now i ve seen them at 5 for a tenner,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i ve ordered some from MJ 10 quid each,,,,

[Saker Mad]

it loks like a le prevo swivel they are nickel swivels and are about a £1.00 for 10 if you go to the le prevo website you will see how cheap they are no offence mate as someone said they are for tempory use only sorry about your bird hope you get her back

[BrianM]

BrianM, it a brave man that put's a good hawk on a cheap swivel.





not brave OF i just didnt know any better

[Hawkmaster]

only any good for lure swivels
Not even that and they are the Prevo ones!

[Saker Mad]

they are meant for clothing only i think they are alot being sold at the moment at very high prices for what they cost
these are the prices

£1.70 FOR 10 FOR THE SMALL
AND THE LARGE
£1.88 FOR 10 FOR NICKEL

[BrianM]

ok ok ive phucked up

[Bill]

I reckon you've learned a hard lesson there Brian and what I am about to say is not getting at you but trying to get others to learn something from your mistake.

What worries me about a lot of the questions on the forum is that an awful lot of them are answered in all the decent books available as are warnings about using the right swivels.

It really does suggest that a lot of people don't get or don't read the books and that is scary.

Nick Fox - Understanding the bird of prey covers most things including swivels - it shows a picture of ones like Brians and says don't use them.
Anybody who has got or is thinking about getting a bird should have read at least three of the good books on falconry (three times). Don't think asking questions on the forum is a substitute, it's an extra.

Hope your bird is ok and you get her back soon Brian.

[OutFlying]

Bill,
Spot on with that comment, Nick Fox or Philip Glasier or Emma Ford. Might cut down on some of the posts though............... :oops:
OF.

[Wightwings]

yes Brian has learnt a harsh lesson but good on the bloke for posting up so others dont. we all have had a lesson in life at some stage......let us know when the birds back Brian.

Chris

[Saker Mad]

yes we all make mistakes but we must all learn from them hope all goes well with getting the bird back our thoughts are with you on a safe return

[North East Harris Hawker]

sorry but i grimmaced too when i saw the swivel. :?
I have some that are for "transport use only" if someone turned up to buy a youngster and had forgotten to bring one(just so that there was some control when getting them out of the box at home)
if you have any left brian, chuck em in the bin

[Debbie]

Brian well done and thank you for posting this topic you did not have to and it took great courage in doing so.

As you say you thought you were purchasing a item fit for the job and sadly it wasn't.

Ebay is like any other shop and not always for bargains.

Maybe those that knew about these items on Ebay could have posted a warning to fellow members about NOT buying them and the reason why rather than comeing along after the event with unhelpful comments :roll:

Please if there are any other items any of you know are well below standard then tell the forum we all look on Ebay for falconry bits I have falconry as one of my favorite searches.

This is what this forum is for to help each other. For each person such as Brian who openly says he has purchased these swivels there are hundreds all with these same swivels in use on their birds they are not as informed as we are now.

Again thank you Brian.

Debbie

[Jester]

i aquired a swivel like that but decided not to use it as i was suspicious about the quality and strength of it.


of course it was easy or me to condemn it cos its my job to inspect and test stuff like that but on a bigger scale.

here is the type i was gonna use on my imprint swamp dragon http://www.lifting-safety.co.uk/gfx/g42.gif


you can get these with 100tonne breaking load

[Falconry Equipment International]

Brian well done and thank you for posting this topic you did not have to and it took great courage in doing so.

As you say you thought you were purchasing a item fit for the job and sadly it wasn't.

Ebay is like any other shop and not always for bargains.

Maybe those that knew about these items on Ebay could have posted a warning to fellow members about NOT buying them and the reason why rather than comeing along after the event with unhelpful comments :roll:

Please if there are any other items any of you know are well below standard then tell the forum we all look on Ebay for falconry bits I have falconry as one of my favorite searches.

This is what this forum is for to help each other. For each person such as Brian who openly says he has purchased these swivels there are hundreds all with these same swivels in use on their birds they are not as informed as we are now.

Again thank you Brian.

Debbie
Yes, but Debs , that was my precisde rasson for starting the thread over a month ago that descended into a debacle!

[North East Harris Hawker]

i recon all the whining about it should stop around here, a mistake was made and its a case of spilt milk. lets just hope brian gets his bird home soon 8)

[SecretSquirrel]

they are also rounded, think they are marketed as 'budget' swivels on ebay and as such , ive been told that the jesses slide off them too, looking at the design that seems obvious to me. so sorry mate, hope you get her back. :(

[BrianM]

erm she was back over a month ago .............lol

[Gozzhawk]

the boaby is being sucked ! If you buy kit from ebay you dont care about your hawk! if you cant source it make it. if you cant make it give it up!!

[BrianM]

the boaby is being sucked ! If you buy kit from ebay you dont care about your hawk! if you cant source it make it. if you cant make it give it up!!

**** you ya bawbag

[BrianM]

[quote="Gozzhawk"]the boaby is being sucked ! If you buy kit from ebay you dont care about your hawk! if you cant source it make it. if you cant make it give it up!![/quote)

once again another phucking expert who has never made a mistake ,, gone straight from beginner to pro ,,, never done anything stupid , always done the right thing ,, never lost a bird ,, always catches 100+ head a season never breaks a feather,,,,, as jim royale would say MY ARSE :finga:,,,,, or could it just be that you do make mistakes but you just keep them quiet

[Miguel Gomez]

maybe we could start a thread about the mistakes we made and learnt from them.

during a storm last year my aviary roof lifted slightly, it was housing a m barn owl, next door with concealed sides was a f HH whose roof was the same, as such the m barn owl managed to fly up and into the F HH's aviary! 4am, i used to start work! went to check the aviaries during the storm and couldnt find the owl, and OMG, there he was on a bow perch in the corner of the HH's aviary! the HH looking very uninterested resting on one of her higher perches! i did that whole cartoon grab thing in slow motion , thusting my hand in her aviary and grabbing the jesses of the barn owl , whipping him out so fast it nearly left his eyes behind! so the HH must have been fed up or the barn owl musnt have tasted nice! lol, needless to say the roofs of the aviaries are now refurbished and seperate. :shock:

[Jiff]

i've made so many f**k ups i can't remember them all and i would dare say in 20 years time (god willing) i'll be making as manny, when you work this close with wild animals and try and impose human will, things will go tits up at some point regardless of who you think you are,thats why we do it.......cos we never know whats next.

[SecretSquirrel]

oh bu**er. that guest was me! honestly wasnt trying to hide that mistake, didnt realise i wasnt signed in! :roll: Im just a dizzy blonde sometimes.

[Jiff]

do you die you're hair on other occasions.

[SecretSquirrel]

errr...yes. its red ATM! lmao

[Jiff]

women! tsh :lol: