how long does it take for a BOP to forget its training

[BrianM]

as you know my HH has gone awol,, she hasnt been flown since january,, how long before she goes wild??????

[OutFlying]

as you know my HH has gone awol,, she hasnt been flown since january,, how long before she goes wild??????

Has she been handled since January ?

[BrianM]

yes OF i went in with her every day

[IAmTheWeasel]

Depends on the bird. I have a friend who lost a harris and re-trapped it 4 months later. Another guy lost his harris and could not get it back at all....It is still seen around his neighborhood hunting, a year later, but refuses to be trapped or begged down. My sponsors passage RT got loose one day and was retrapped 3 months later. It still had on all it's gear and it acted like nothing happened. Remember, A fat bird does not need us. The only reason it would come down if fat, is out of habit.

[OutFlying]

BrianM,
Well it should take a few weeks then. What difference is there in not flying since January - if you've handled everyday.

[BrianM]

just sitting thinking thats all,,,,,if only i could get a sighting ,, she would be pretty keen now

[Wightwings]

in truth brian they can go ferral pretty quick even if handled daily. The HH is a very intelligent bird and soon realises it can lok after itself. I have found however they do tend to stay in a "terratory" tho and as such you can track and eventually trap them with plenty of patience and persistence. ( and luck )

I personnally have spent three days tracking and "associating" with a HH that set up in our area a few yrs back. I eventually caught it up but it did take time...........

[OutFlying]

I chap I know of lost his female harris hawk on a shoot, it use to follow the keeper about everyday for 12 days (he was a friend to the harris owner, probably why its still alive). The lad got it back, came down to a dead rabbit.

[Wightwings]

BrianM,
Well it should take a few weeks then. What difference is there in not flying since January - if you've handled everyday.

Gotta say OF the missus handles her bird every day but he is fat and makes it sooooo obviuos if he was free he would sod off.......food is the key...........the bond can mean sod all without that trigger....

[Fenman46]

I do hope you get her back brian,really
I lost one 6 years ago, sighted once , Never to be seen again,{I think the keepers this way shot her } Now twice as tight on my handling,knots ,gear ,infact everything,

[Wightwings]

I chap I know of lost his female harris hawk on a shoot, it use to follow the keeper about everyday for 12 days (he was a friend to the harris owner, probably why its still alive). The lad got it back, came down to a dead rabbit.

agreed but during the season and sharp weight i recon........ :wink:

[Wightwings]

I do hope you get her back brian,really
I lost one 6 years ago, sighted once , Never to be seen again,{I think the keepers this way shot her } Now twice as tight on my handling,knots ,gear ,infact everything,

must admit i drive the missus MAD with this..."you checked the jessess, you checked the leash, you checked the swivel"..........i keep getting told "i DO know what im doing you know"........... :oops: ooops.......

[OutFlying]

it wasn't too sharp when he lost it :wink: thats why he lost it :oops: It had been killing on the land and weighed 2 - 12 when he got it back.

OF.

ps It all depends on the hawk and how it was reared.

[Wightwings]

ps It all depends on the hawk and how it was reared.

agreed.........but they still go ferrall quick.........wether WILD ferral or just SOD OFF ferral......

[Bullet_Jesses]

8) Knew a guy here in San Diego a few years back! He was from New Mexico! He had trained and kept a female coopers hawk for about 2 years then released it. A year later he got a call from the Dept of fish and game! His bird had come down to some people at a barbecue whilst they were throwing hotdogs on the grill LOL .He went to pick the bird up the same day,acted like it was just gone missing the day before!(not sure if it was imprinted)This same guy told me that whilst he was in New Mexico he had a Goldie(one of the few states it’s legal) that tried to kill his full grown German Shepherd twice in the same week ! If he hadn’t intervened! it was mince! Cheers Jim.C

[OutFlying]

if he just gets a sighting of her, Brian should then have a good chance of getting her back using a variety of lures......................

[Fenman46]

Its that elusive sighting, phone call thats needed,When was the last sighting?

[Wightwings]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=827&highlight=trap+harris+hawk

have a read Brian........it took a while and the story dont tell it all.....

[Bullet_Jesses]

8) Don't know if you ever introduced her to pigeons? Any pigeon fanciers in the neighborhood? She would certainly look for an easy meal.Guy's are right ! It's getting that first sighting that's vitally important,then you'll know where shes hanging out. Even for weeks after wards if she's hungry she will come down to a pigeon at least, though I have had to use a pigeon harness myself ! more than once! Good luck Brian! jim.c

[GDN]

It might still be in the area. It's not a good time to look for a lost bird. Leaves are on the trees it could be sitting up in a tree and if doesn't move you wouldn't know.

The bird could also be out hunting and catching things at first light and then not need to do anything for the rest of the day. Also it has no real incentive to come back to you. I think Brian also said it was 7oz over weight. It's not been that cold so it won't be burning that much energy to keep itself warm. Basically there is a whole load of reasons as to why it wouldn't want to come back to him or why he hasn't spotted it

If i need to go and look for a bird i am up before first light. If that means 4am in the summer then so be it. If they are going to be on the move then that is when.

Brian good luck. Anything i can do please let me know.

[Hawkmaster]

Well, . . . owls forget before they understand their training! Sorry had to clarify that :lol:

A mates HH stillfollows on but will not come to the fist, lure or bate since last season.

My Gos I lost in '96 was wild in less than towo weeks.

I know a falcon that I has escape after a moult on the first day of manning came back at 3 onces above fat weight to the kite?

Mark Richards' imprint falcon just stepped up to my fist after being out and flying free for over 3 months?

I think you need a sighting first then take it from there mate!

Good Luck!

[Bubo]

Well, . . . owls forget before they understand their training! Sorry had to clarify that :lol:



HM you never miss an opportunity do ya :wink: :P
good luck brian.

[Kornie]

When trinity is fat, she does a very good impression of being wild.

At least there is still a good chance you bird is still out there fendind for itself, think of it as your harris "leaving the nest".

[North East Harris Hawker]

depending upon the age of the bird harrises seem to have a very good memory, i left my bird over 8 months in an enclosed aviary (breeding) and after a few days without food she not only flew to me but also flew onto the scales and into her box :shock:

[Wightwings]

yes Lee but you have a way with the birds mate....... :wink: :lol:

[North East Harris Hawker]

oh yeah... :roll:

[Wightwings]

yeah Lee i heard ANYTHING in a skirt including scotsmen and greek policemen.........
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3918

[BrianM]

[quote="Wightwings"]yeah Lee i heard ANYTHING in a skirt including scotsmen and greek policemen.........
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3918[/quote
thats that then i am NOT bringing ma kilt to the birthday bash......... :shock:

[North East Harris Hawker]

I shall remember these comments next year when your cars get stuck in the mud! :twisted:
8) of course I'll offer your lady friends a lift home with me :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: