PLANNING PERMIT/OR NOT?

[Mikey]

Bare with me guys n gals..one of us has recently been GRASSED on by a lowlife neighbour.I wont say who,he can tell you if he wants to.The neighbour informed the council of the mews and they r now coming round to see if a planning permit is required!All i know is that firstly( imo the council r a bunch of scavenging crows that r not always entirely honerable,caring people! (i have very good reason for this)Does any one have any knowledge of the requirements that might lead to needing a planning permit(size/permenancy etc)I think any one thinking of taking up falconry would be glad of any info,and poss save themselves what can be a lot of heart ache...potentially!

[James_Falconry1]

are the mews Brick or wood built and is there any footing in the ground.

[Mary Quite Contrary]

I am a surveyor so i up with bulding regs and planning.
Whats your question.

[Saker-Clive]

I had pretty much the same when I built mine a few years ago.
I contacted the planning office and was told:
Providing the structure is not more than 3m high and with a flat or removable roof; or 4m high with a pitched solid roof, no planning is required. Also As it is housing for a 'pet', no planning is required.
As long as the structure doesn't take up any more than a third of the area space (I think) no planning is required.
I think there is something on the web somewhere with the details on it; if I can find them I will post them up.

[Saker-Clive]

http://tm.ask.co.uk/r?t=c&s=a&id=30787&sv=z6f065bd7&uid=086668FD58B39D 824&sid=195D95C16A7E84924&p=%2ftop&o=0&u=http://www.gardenaffairs.co.uk/planning.html

[Woody1966]

As S-S says, as long as it's not over 3m high you shouldn't have a problem. Only other thing would be if it blocked any light from next door. If the worst comes to the worst you could always dismantle it and shove each piece up your 'friendly' neighbours jacksey!!! :shock:

[Mary Quite Contrary]

http://tm.ask.co.uk/r?t=c&s=a&id=30787&sv=z6f065bd7&uid=086668FD58B39D 824&sid=195D95C16A7E84924&p=%2ftop&o=0&u=http://www.gardenaffairs.co.uk/planning.html


well done SS

[Hawkmaster]

If memory serves me well, we DO have a planning officer on the forum? Mmmm now that would be helpful.

[Mikey]

GREAT GUYS...YOUVE CONFIRMED WHAT I'VE HEARD ALONG THE WAY.sO OUR M8 SHOULD BE SAFE...NOW WHO WANTS TO JOIN ME BREAKING THAT NEIGHBOURS LEGS??!!

[Talib]

If memory serves me well, we DO have a planning officer on the forum?

Name and shame him!
He must also work for a "bunch of scavenging crows" (local council) somewhere.
Perhaps forum members can go around and break his legs at the same time as doing over the grassing, lowlife neighbour...

Talib

[Saker-Clive]

I try and please, CPC :mrgreen:

[Albie]

First may I say a great big thank you to all who gave me advice on my Mews being investigated by the local council planning officer.
This came about after I extended Nimbus's mews to accomadate Finley the Indian Eagle Owl. (See the attached image)
I have really good neighbours both sides of me and at the back of the Mews,except for one.
You know the type folks, he has a large garden but it looks like a junk yard, he is also disabled with a bad back YES you know the sort... when he thinks nobody can see him in his large back garden of which he has erected six foot fences all around he can be found stretching over the wing of his large 4x4 tinkering with the engine or scrabbling underneath and all this with a cronic bad back!! Oh and by the way it's not only his cars I have watched him working on.
Well while my Mews was being built he watched everything that we did and low and behold within weeks of it being finished I get a letter from the planning dept.
The very good news is the planninig officer came today, he looked up the garden from my back door and his words were..Well I can tell you from here you do NOT need planning for that Mews.
We then went up to the Mews and he complimented on a job well done.
His next words were "Do you think I could have a picture of the

[Albie]

I don't know what I did but here is the end of the story with I hope the picture of mews.
He said do you think I could have a picture of the Owl because my wife loves them.
Albie.. :wink:

[Will]

Congratulations, Nimbus. And if you can PM me this pinhead's address, I'll ring the DSS. Hate scroungers!

[Albie]

Nimbus and Finleys mews.

[Albie]

No worries Will,
For years I have let live and let live, even though I work hard for what I get.
But from now it will be me doing the watching and recording dates and times of things I see.. :wink:

[Will]

Quite right, mate. Save the benefits for those who really need them. I used to ignore it but the next one I come across is in for it!

Oh, and I think I missed the owl's pics, got any more?

[Albie]

Hello Will, if I have got it right there should be a picture of Finley with this.

[Will]

Thanks for that, what a great looking bird. Wanna borrow my big one, he eats scroungers! :)

[North East Harris Hawker]

glad you got it all sorted, i'd grass the scrounger up too, its your tax he is spending down at the pub :x bet he is claiming housing benefit too

[Will]

Went to B&Q for some bits last week. On the way in I stood aside for a middle aged guy with a stick who'd just parked a very nice car in the disabled spot. In the queue for the tills he stood there looking sorry for himself, but when a young blonde opened another till he beat me and two builders to it! People like that are everywhere and they're using up the benefits badly needed by the disabled. Hang 'em all!

[North East Harris Hawker]

you can bet your bottom dollar that the car is a mobility one as well!
he wont have paid for it. your dead right there there are an awful lot of them about

[Will]

Dead right NEHH, blue sticker and everything. Here's another one for you: I saw a woman who I know for a fact claims a small fortune in disability pulling a dirty great caravan UP a drive! On her own! Fat cow. :twisted:

[North East Harris Hawker]

its times like that you'd pay a small fortune to have a camcorder/digi camera to hand, they just make a mockery of the system

[BrianM]

DONT GET ME STARTED ON THIS GUYS,,,, as you know my little girl has cerabal palsy ,,, the system stinks to high heaven,,,,,,,,,

[North East Harris Hawker]

its people like you then that should recieve some proper help, not these scammers :x Grrrrr!
now, what was this thread about again? :?

[Saker-Clive]

Taken pictures, only to be told that I could be in trouble under human rights for breeching his privacy in his own garden!!!!! And the time he got beaten up and dumped in my drive unconcious; a bag of his home grown weed feel out; I gave it to plod but they daid that it was not submisible as I could have planted it!!!!!!!!!!!! I told them that he grows it and where abouts in the house but nothing was done....................................

[Mikey]

spankin mews m8!!

[Mikey]

And i'd invite THE neighbour round n spank him in the mews too!!!!

[HawkMan]

kill him like the shop keeper in league of gentlemen ,me wifes tubs so im ok ,paint him with tar

[Will]

Sorry to turn your thread into a rant Nimbus, but with your story, mine and Saker-Sucker's, doesn't it just drive you mad?

Brian, I didn't actually know mate. I have a lttle brother has numerous difficulties and who will clearly never get better. They still insist on re-assessing him frequently, but the ****s with a 'bad back' will still be round cutting people's grass while raking in my tax. Flercking schnit-heads!

Nimbus, initially I really liked the idea of tiled areas and was going to try it in my second mews. However, I've just finished tiling the wife's new conservatory and if I never see a tile again, it'll be too soon!

[HawkMan]

Ive had a severe stutter since i was a lad and always worked since i left school ,i could of scrounged off the goverment but took a harder option was to work ,i have people to talk for me in certain situations but can control a gang of lads on industrail roofs ,i run my own company, i see shxts with not a days work in them getting hundreds every week and they calim disability. Id rather go through life thinking i did something with me life then to sit o me ar-e all day knowing i could go to work .
Im not trying to have a go at people with disability just the ones who pretend

[Albie]

Hey lads I have read with interest all your comments, and as far as my neighbour is concerned he might as well sell up and leave the street.
I have already passed the word round to all my good ones and they say much the same as all of you!.
You see... You can't beat people power.
As an old painter and decorator I too could be on the disabled register but I also prefer to work.
The picture below was after a motor cycle accident in 1967 and the injury is still held together with a metal plate and screws.
Once again Many Thanks for the support over the Mews thing.
Albie.. :wink:

[Mikey]

ouch!!

[BarneyAndMonty]

After reading this thread yesterday, I thought I had better have a chat with the council. It's not looking good for me at this stage:( .
My garden backs onto a property/garden. As the only posistion I have for my avairy set up is positioned within 10 feet of this property, it looks as if planning permission will be needed with 'light' as the issue.

[Renton]

After reading this thread yesterday, I thought I had better have a chat with the council. It's not looking good for me at this stage:( .
My garden backs onto a property/garden. As the only posistion I have for my avairy set up is positioned within 10 feet of this property, it looks as if planning permission will be needed with 'light' as the issue.

If you don't put footings in; you should be able to claim that your aviary is just a temporary structure.

[PeelsBells]

After reading this thread yesterday, I thought I had better have a chat with the council. It's not looking good for me at this stage:( .
My garden backs onto a property/garden. As the only posistion I have for my avairy set up is positioned within 10 feet of this property, it looks as if planning permission will be needed with 'light' as the issue.

I have just applied for planning and the information which i received was.
You can have a structure 3m in height if flat roof and 4m if pitched, the structure has to be 4m away from you own property or other wise you need planning. You are allowed by law to take up 50% of your gardens that is taking into account your front garden.
Also you must be 20m away from a road if you want to build a structure out of brick.You dont need plannning if you stick by these roles, but if you live on a council estate or new housing estate you will have to abide by the terms of the contract which you have signed:confused:
Hope this helps

[Boobook]

If you don't put footings in; you should be able to claim that your aviary is just a temporary structure.

You can have a structure 3m in height if flat roof and 4m if pitched

I think they're right - as long as your house doesn't have any weird covenants you should be OK as it's a temporary structure :grin: I don't think light comes into it - if it does plant a load of leylandii behind it and see which they prefer :wink:

[PeelsBells]

I think they're right - as long as your house doesn't have any weird covenants you should be OK as it's a temporary structure :grin: I don't think light comes into it - if it does plant a load of leylandii behind it and see which they prefer :wink:

You can still have footing as these are classed as out building which you are allowed and know one can stop you. Just find out what the council has to say if you are a tenant but if you own the land tell them to swivel:supz: .
Just having my building drawn up having them made of block and a full concrete base with drain so i can jet wash out, the avaries are 70 feet long 20ft wide with a 4ft enclosed walk way so i dont have to put a double door on every one not decided how to split them yet.

[DeathFromAbove]

as long as it's at least 16ft from a public highway less than 4m high and is mostly a timber structure you should be fine, timber structures are classed a temporary and no planning is required as they are easily removeable if needs be. had a similar argument when building mine, and mine's a 16ft by 8ft by 8ft structure.

[Matthew Symons]

as long as it's at least 16ft from a public highway less than 4m high and is mostly a timber structure you should be fine, timber structures are classed a temporary and no planning is required as they are easily removeable if needs be. had a similar argument when building mine, and mine's a 16ft by 8ft by 8ft structure.

Guys my father restores listed buildings all over the country. Hes a specialist is stone masonry. Ive just had quite an indepth discussion with him about this planning permission problem.

One extremely valid point he did make is that all council legislation is not the same What might be right with one council cannot be taken in stone that it is going to be the same as for a different regional council.

My fathers advice for this problem is " even if you already have an avairy that you may feel is larger than the previously mentioned sizes, call the local planning permission office and say that you are looking at building a lean -to at the dimenssions allready constructed."

They will give you advice. And may ask you to submit a planning aplication. Remember that not all planning permission needs to to have a surveyor visit your property to inspect the site.

It may just be that you have to submit planning regs in order to have the
building on the land registry if necessary. For example a conservatory.
hope this helps

[Bod]

I have recently applied for guidance from my local council to build a 32'x10'x9'high, breeze block mews and have been told I need to apply for planning permission. When I phoned to ask why the said they had taken into account the other buildings (sheds) on the property (already have an attached garage a 20'x8' aviary and a 3mx3m playhouse. The buildings including my proposed new mews will only take up about 15% of my garden space if that. They did mention that because it was to be made out of breeze block then it could go right up to the boundary. If made from wood it had to be at least 1m from the boundary.
So it does appear local authorities also have their own guidelines etc.

By the way it cost me nothing to submit the proposal.

[Pitbull]

Guys my father restores listed buildings all over the country. Hes a specialist is stone masonry. Ive just had quite an indepth discussion with him about this planning permission problem.

One extremely valid point he did make is that all council legislation is not the same What might be right with one council cannot be taken in stone that it is going to be the same as for a different regional council.

My fathers advice for this problem is " even if you already have an avairy that you may feel is larger than the previously mentioned sizes, call the local planning permission office and say that you are looking at building a lean -to at the dimenssions allready constructed."

They will give you advice. And may ask you to submit a planning aplication. Remember that not all planning permission needs to to have a surveyor visit your property to inspect the site.

It may just be that you have to submit planning regs in order to have the
building on the land registry if necessary. For example a conservatory.
hope this helps


it will also depend on where abouts in the council area you are, as like smoke free areas, where you are not aloud a natural fire but on the other side of the road maybe the boundary where you are.
I would say to anybody If you are unsure get in touch with the council. look at all the stories that have been in the paper where people have built thier own homes and told by the council too rip them down at their own cost because they are centimetres out, in either their height with or direction

[BarneyAndMonty]

I would say to anybody If you are unsure get in touch with the council. [/QUOTE]

That was certainaly the message I got when I spoke to them.