What age

[Falcon]

Ok peeps, i've posted this question on another forum as well. I'm hopefully getting myself a pr goshawk this season. I've been told various different ages as to when to pick the eyass up. I know what age I wish to go for myself. but what are your suggestions and why? Baring in mind i'm referring to goshawks and not Harris hawks. Over to you guys!
Thanks
Sarah

[Finnish]

I would pick the gos up at 9 weeks old. Then i would put the Gos in a aviary at home for two to three weeks on his own.

[Falcon]

Cheers for the answer Finnish! anymore suggestions or thoughts peeps?

[Dude]

I pick up the goses when they just start to branching arounf the trees near the nest... I trap them and lets start the fun ;)

usually they dont make food imprints at this age but can be....my friend trap a passage gos I think in October but not sure....(late autumn...)and the gos started to crying a lot after a 2-3 weeks of training...maybe somebody raise it but I dont think so coz I heard some stories like this....too much for thinking about somebody raise them....

rgds,
Dan. :)

[Falcon]

Cheers dude for your import as well

[Falconry Equipment International]

Cheers dude for your import as well
Sarah are you in Cornwall?
do you live on a farm/ did you have an RT a few season ago as your 1st hawk?
if so I seem to remmmbeer I sold you asome kit, and gave quite a bit of advice. If you wish to pm me I am happy to discuss various ideas I heva re Gosses but bear in mind I am only a comparitive beginmner with 28 seasons with accipiters :wink:
SJ

[Gaz]

9 weeks old. Then i would put the Gos in a aviary at home for two to three :finga:

SJ,..expand our minds :finga: ..post the advice dude.. :mrgreen:

[Wightwings]

please do i would like to hear it too please

[Natch]

ten weeks max

[Hawkmaster]

MOVED THE THREAD!

[OutFlying]

Falcon,
It seems that your previous advice ( :wink: ) tallies up with the Bristol boys. 10 weeks max, anything after that is wasting time - yes you can leave it longer but you will gain nothing from it and most likely increase the effort required.
OF.

ps Saw the pics :oops:

[Falcon]

yeah well ten weeks (hard penned) is what i was going with anyway, but thought it would be an interesting one on here.
Very sorry i posted in the wrong place HM! :oops: too keen to post it me thinks!

[OutFlying]

Have you sorted it to be collected at that age now ?

[The Late Lord Lucan]

I would guess that unless the breeder has seperate pens to put the young birds in, you wouldn't get a massive amount of choice.
I would say that by the eight to ten week stage, tensions between parents & youngsters are starting to run a bit high and in most situations, there is little choice but to take them away from the parents.
As OF says, from there on, you will gain nothing by leaving the bird any longer.

Regards,
LLL.

[Jack Merlin]

I would guess that unless the breeder has seperate pens to put the young birds in, you wouldn't get a massive amount of choice.
I would say that by the eight to ten week stage, tensions between parents & youngsters are starting to run a bit high and in most situations, there is little choice but to take them away from the parents.

Gos breeding aviaries are usually in pairs, side by side. Right? Could the eyasses not be confined to one side and the parents in the other? And if this is possible, could the eyasses have free access to the outside?

Just theorizing here. I know some (overseas) tame hack their eyasses so I am speculating that it can be taken one stage further. Others will say there is no advantage to hacking. OK. Each to his own. I'm not interested in having an arguement, just a reasoned discussion. Might work around here (north of scotland) but not suburbia!<g>

[M & J Raptors]

I would guess that unless the breeder has seperate pens to put the young birds in, you wouldn't get a massive amount of choice.
I would say that by the eight to ten week stage, tensions between parents & youngsters are starting to run a bit high and in most situations, there is little choice but to take them away from the parents.

Gos breeding aviaries are usually in pairs, side by side. Right? Could the eyasses not be confined to one side and the parents in the other? And if this is possible, could the eyasses have free access to the outside?

Just theorizing here. I know some (overseas) tame hack their eyasses so I am speculating that it can be taken one stage further. Others will say there is no advantage to hacking. OK. Each to his own. I'm not interested in having an arguement, just a reasoned discussion. Might work around here (north of scotland) but not suburbia!<g>

Derry

Don't talk ******** man, give us a rest for at least one night,

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Gos breeding aviaries are usually in pairs, side by side. Right? Could the eyasses not be confined to one side and the parents in the other?
There are plenty here with much more knowledge than I on this subject (especially as a non breeder of gosses :wink: ), but from what I have seen, in most cases, when the youngsters are removed, so is the male. Things get a bit hairy after you have been in and taken out the youngsters, and when the male starts ****ting himself, thats normally the cue for the female to wade in and let him have it......big style.
I know Varmint said he had some friends that bred gosses, being in largish pens, the adults were kept together 24/7/365.
The guys that I know that breed gosses would die of some foul disgusting means that resemble pooing ones self to death if they did that with their birds! :lol: :lol:

Regards,
Lucky.

[Finnish]

Could the eyasses not be confined to one side and the parents in the other?

If you left the male and female in together the chance's are you having a dead male,at the end of it.

[Jack Merlin]

The guys that I know that breed gosses would die of some foul disgusting means that resemble pooing ones self to death if they did that with their birds!

I can believe that! Some goshawk breeders seem to be more neurotic than their birds!<vbg>

[Jack Merlin]

If you left the male and female in together the chance's are you having a dead male,at the end of it.

Then take the male out!

[Tim Laycock]

Certainly sounds feasable Jack, but I wonder how many gos breeders would be willing to loose valuable eyasses at hack?
I know none :|

[Finnish]

Then take the male out!


And put him where most gos breeders i no have not got the room.

[OutFlying]

Certainly sounds feasable Jack, but I wonder how many gos breeders would be willing to loose valuable eyasses at hack?
I know none :|

If the person who was willing to pay up front for this tame hack, with the risks then bring him on. A fool and his money spring to mind, what could a gos learn at tame hack (i.e not killing) when it could be manned and flying within 12 days or so ? pursuing and killing.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

conceeded :|

[Jack Merlin]

Money is not my problem.

Mick is doing such a good job promoting "Training the Short-Winged Hawk" that I am thinking of setting up a goshawk breeding project -- if my agent will allow it.

I shall be going entirely for imprints so as not to compete with that nice Mr Gaz.

Hacked imprints. Hmm...I can see I will soon capture a niche market. Any want to put down a deposit before the rush starts?

[Goldie]

IMO the time to get your PR goss is at 9 wks. Thats when mine will be going, apart from 1 that is being imprinted. My male is seperated from the female at the same time if not before They are in a 24ft x 12ft with seperating partition.
As others have already said, there is nothing to be gained by leaving them any longer.

[M & J Raptors]

like i said ******** again, i wish he would think things through before he jumps in with both feet,
it would save us all having to explain to him step by step,
have a word with him BB, hes making a laughing stock of himself,

[Jack Merlin]

Now, now, Mickey, you are lapsing into insults again and you promised your mummy you wouldn't do that.

[Tim Laycock]

have a word with him BB, hes making a laughing stock of himself

Im in no position to do such a thing Mick.
Derrys experience as a falconer and austringer exceeds mine in the same way that a year as a falconer exceeds an afternoon "hawk walk" with the local centre---

By a good long way!!

[Wightwings]

wicked reading guys........bitchy bitchy sounds like im getting into the right feild... :wink: :rolleyes:

only joking of course fellas.......soem good info on here please keep going :wink:

[Jack Merlin]

Derrys experience as a falconer and austringer exceeds mine

Thanks for the compliment but I doubt it, BB. However, I do have a long experience of handling various animals and that experience is sometimes transferable to other species.

At the moment I am finding my years teaching twelve year olds were not wasted after all. With a little persistence, we might even get Mickey to conjugate the verb "to have" properly -- but some of those two letter words can be devilishly tricky!<g>

[M & J Raptors]

have a word with him BB, hes making a laughing stock of himself

Im in no position to do such a thing Mick.
Derrys experience as a falconer and austringer exceeds mine in the same way that a year as a falconer exceeds an afternoon "hawk walk" with the local centre---

By a good long way!!

Why have you seen him fly a hawk BB ?

[Falcon]

good grief this post went a bit mad didn't it! :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Why have you seen him fly a hawk BB ?
No Mick I have not, but then again I have never seen Mavro, Glasier or indeed Edmund Bert fly a hawk.
I dont need to see to know they are/were accomplished Falconers and austringers in their respective fields.

Im sure you can appreciate where Im coming from :|

[M & J Raptors]

BB So what evidence do you base your statement on ?

[Ben C]

COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU THINK YOUR ARD ENOUGH!!!!

[Hawkmaster]

Are we now going to doubt every person that says they have flown birds? Do the right thing gentlemen.

[Kevin Massey]

shame this....i could follow this topic forever...as some one that has never flown owned a gos i would be most interested in all comments even if they do conflict with each other...that seems to be "falconry"...

im sure there is a massive constructive topic to be had here...if all the energy is put into information (rich from me i know)...

or is it that gos-men dont like to share there secrets :wink:

kev

[Ben C]

They do share secrets: but quite rightly, you gotta pay for em.

If unlocking them takes painstaking amounts of time and dedication then put up the price.

I reckon Jack's winning hands down, some of his writing is genius.

:) :) :) :) :)

[OutFlying]

trouble is Kev, it takes two to debate a point - only one to throw insults. Make up your own mind on that.
Jim.

[M & J Raptors]

Ok peeps, i've posted this question on another forum as well. I'm hopefully getting myself a pr goshawk this season. I've been told various different ages as to when to pick the eyass up. I know what age I wish to go for myself. but what are your suggestions and why? Baring in mind i'm referring to goshawks and not Harris hawks. Over to you guys!
Thanks
Sarah

Hi Sarah

Time we got back on topic,

I would say 10 weeks is the perfect time to collect your eyass, it will probably have been taken from its mother and put into a nursery pen, i always do this, young Gosses have been know to kill their mother, they become very aggressive , also it will give the young gos a Little time to become independent,

best of luck with the Gos, i bred the mother to your bird, that your buying, she is an awesome bird, killed over 100 pheasants last year,

cheers

Mick

[Kevin Massey]

so mick, having picked up your gos @ about 10 weeks, is it the norm to put it into a secluded aivery for a couple of weeks before manning?

kev

[M & J Raptors]

Hi Kev

It all depends on the time of year for me, if its end of august and the weather is a little cooler, then i will start to man the bird and tie it to a bow,
if its still the end of July and its baking hot, i would leave it a few weeks in a seclusion pen, there is no point in manning gosses in hot weather,

Cheers

Mick,

[Kevin Massey]

cheers,

also then is there any absolute do's and don'ts when manning your gos that would'nt apply to manning any other hawk?

kev

[Ben C]

Don't fly it near a pheasant pen in september? :mrgreen:

[M & J Raptors]

cheers,

also then is there any absolute do's and don'ts when manning your gos that would'nt apply to manning any other hawk?

kev

Kev

Yes loads, the Gos is very prone to asper, along with Gyrs, this is very much stress related, so the less stress the, less Chance of problems arising, that's why i think its better to leave till later,

[M & J Raptors]

Don't fly it near a pheasant pen in september? :mrgreen:

Ben

What are you talking about man, spit it out :?:

[Ben C]

My assumption, from the bad blood between you and Jack, is that one of you lot has done some thing that vears towards hunting stuff out of season or there abouts! :) :)

In the 'flying through the moult' thread Jack-Merlin mentions people hunting stuff from pens, or out of season. Being the clever ****** I am, I thought it MUST be one of you lads. Jack being the clever ****** he is insinuated it.

Could be totally wrong Mind, so please kick me in the pants and tell me to head off back to Harris land if I am wrong. :) :) :)

The real deal is that I got a bit bored with you lot banging on at Jack when all he has really done is sit down, worked hard and produced a book.

It seems to me that the devil is in the detail, and you lot are harranging him for not other reason than that you can.

Now I am saying this in a nice, friendly way because I don't want to alienate anyone..........so if you respond, AND YOU WILL, be nice! :) :) :)

[Hawkmaster]

put into a nursery pen, i always do this
Mick do you, if I may ask, have open mews for the youngsters and parent birds to view people? Would this make them steadier?

I ask as I am still in two minds really about imprints or parent reared birds.

[M & J Raptors]

My assumption, from the bad blood between you and Jack, is that one of you lot has done some thing that vears towards hunting stuff out of season or there abouts! :) :)

In the 'flying through the moult' thread Jack-Merlin mentions people hunting stuff from pens, or out of season. Being the clever ****** I am, I thought it MUST be one of you lads. Jack being the clever ****** he is insinuated it.

Could be totally wrong Mind, so please kick me in the pants and tell me to head off back to Harris land if I am wrong. :) :) :)

The real deal is that I got a bit bored with you lot banging on at Jack when all he has really done is sit down, worked hard and produced a book.

It seems to me that the devil is in the detail, and you lot are harranging him for not other reason than that you can.

Now I am saying this in a nice, friendly way because I don't want to alienate anyone..........so if you respond, AND YOU WILL, be nice! :) :) :)

Ben

No bad blood at all, in fact i have known Derry for a couple of years, and i appreciate him bringing out this book, Christ he could have brought one out on HH, :shock:
no its just the gos in me, when someone makes bold statements i want to know why and what, and how,
Goshawking is my passion and could not see me ever changing to a longwing,[ i cannot head my head that far up my own arse yet :evil: ]

if you referring to our visit to Jacks Shack, :D a couple of years ago, then let me correct you, i know Derry has problems remembering, its the Alzheimer's kicking in,

While hawking Rabbits near Derry's place in Scotland a couple of years ago, i took a party of Gosses over for a Chance to fly birds of the year,
we had 4 gosses, 2 eyass 2 adult just out the moult, Derry said he had put 400 poults down that summer, so we though it would make a confidence booster for the 2 eyass birds and provide some fitness for the 2 adult birds,

Point 1 it was October

Point 2 We never seen a release pen,

Point 3 We never seen any bloody poults,

We seen 8 pheasants all day, which we killed 4, Derry charged £25.00 per pheasant killed, all we seen was old mature wild birds

we had 2 flights each,

We couldn't afford to slaughter poults Ben :P

and point 4 take everything Derry says with a BIG pinch of salt, we do.

[Natch]

Good evening chaps, why dont two choose a venue with a boxing ring, every one on the forum can place a bet all procceds to go to a charity of the winners choice,i will have a £20 ON BILLY CASPER TOP BREEDER NOW COME ON EVERYONE PLACE YOUR BETS!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL THE BEST COOKIE

[M & J Raptors]

Good evening chaps, why dont two choose a venue with a boxing ring, every one on the forum can place a bet all procceds to go to a charity of the winners choice,i will have a £20 ON BILLY CASPER TOP BREEDER NOW COME ON EVERYONE PLACE YOUR BETS!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL THE BEST COOKIE

Cookie

********,

Hows the breeding going ? WHC AGM ?

[Natch]

CANT MAKE TH E WHC AGM BREEDING OK CHEERS COOKE

[Ben C]

HAHAHA.....ok mate, this is far too deep for me, I must pull back and bow to the battle of the giants...:) :) :)

Politics is a nasty thing, and don't for one minute think I want a part of it!"!!!!!!!

I am a nice chap who can at times get a bit frisky and fun with threads.......I KNOW NAAAATHING :) :) :)


I salute you and wish you well, perhaps we can lock horns and have fun when I have earn't me stripes??? What say you mate??? :) :) :)

Cheers

Ben 'the big mouth' crane.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Hawkmaster]

put into a nursery pen, i always do this
Mick do you, if I may ask, have open mews for the youngsters and parent birds to view people? Would this make them steadier?

I ask as I am still in two minds really about imprints or parent reared birds.
:?:

[M & J Raptors]

put into a nursery pen, i always do this
Mick do you, if I may ask, have open mews for the youngsters and parent birds to view people? Would this make them steadier?

I ask as I am still in two minds really about imprints or parent reared birds.
:?:

Sorry Paul

Been busy, not quite sure what you mean but i will have a stab,

do you mean eyass gosses being reared by an imprint in a open imprint pen, ?

Mick

[Ben C]

Final note on this though......................

Between you, Derry, OF, Varmint and the others, you lot hold the keys to contemporary falconry.

If you could stop banging heads then the rest of us outside could learn a HUGE amount.

In all honesty you are the blokes us beginners look towards for information and guidence.

[Jack Merlin]

Benc,

In the 1890's there was a sign on the lion's cage in the Paris zoo.

The sign read, "This animal is very wicked. When attacked, it defends itself".

I rest my case!<g>

[Chris Hawke]

Hi Kev

It all depends on the time of year for me, if its end of august and the weather is a little cooler, then i will start to man the bird and tie it to a bow,
if its still the end of July and its baking hot, i would leave it a few weeks in a seclusion pen, there is no point in manning gosses in hot weather,

Cheers

Mick,


:idea: why didnt i think of this!
nice one