How to make Jesses and fit equipment

[Harris]

These are the tool I use, you don't need both types of punch, but do need different sizes.

[Harris]

Start by Cutting 2 strips of leather, you will need what to know size grommets you are using in the anklets, I cut mine about 12mm wide and as far as length is concerned, cut them as long or as short as you like, depending on your hand size, but leave an extra 50mm to form the button.

[Harris]

Next you need to cut the taper on 1 end, you can do this rough, but I prefer to do things a little neater, so I mark where to cut.

[Harris]

You'll end up with an end like this.

[Harris]

Next you need to fold over the other end to form the button, how many times you fold it will depend on how thick the leather is, I'm using some old poor qualty leather so I'm only folding it once as I've run out of the good stuff, but it's only for the purpose of thread.

[Harris]

Next you need to punch out the holes to form the button.

[Harris]

Now a tip here, When you punch the holes on your kitchen floor using an old piece of lino for a backdrop for the photos. Try not to punch straight through into the kitchen floor underneath, note the small hole in the flooring :oops::lol:

[Harris]

Next, pass the tapered end through both the holes as shown. Keeping the leather pinched so it doesn't twist.

[Harris]

And pull it all the way through.

[Harris]

If you are making flying Jesses, just punch a small hole in the other end and your done. If not read on.

using the smallest punch you can find, about 3 or 4 mm Punch a hole through the leather just above the shoulder of the taper.

[Harris]

Depending on how big the swivel you are using is, punch a second hole a little further up. Try and keep them in the centre unlike mine. (difficult doing it 1 handed)

[Harris]

Then simply cut between the 2 holes.

[Harris]

and thats it

[LaurenS]

good thread for some1 who doesn't know how to make it , well done

[Harris]

Now another one exactly the same.

[Phil Noble]

Thanks for that simon,Very helpful :D
ATB
Phil

[Yarak_Eric]

Great thread to help out and keep archived here!

[Harris]

Nothing to it when you've made your first pair, they'll take you about 5 mins or so to make. :yawinkle:

[GavSterry]

Thanks simon, really good help. Just need some punches now :x

[Hex]

Good thread simon,very helpfull.

[JayHawk]

a very usefull thread for newbies mate well done on you!!

jay

[Odanata]

a very nice demonstration post with great photos.

DAve

[Gil]

thanks for the demo but i have a few questions if u dont mind
besides the length what does the normal jesses differ from the hunting ones?
why do you make some diamond shape hole in the normal and not in the hunting? what do you do with it?
regards

[tonythetiger122]

thanks for this threat its great. just wondering what is the tool you use to cut the strip of leather, and what leather should be used?
Also was wondering about the flying jesses the ones i have seen have been thin rope, not leather??? what is best?

Cheers again

[Yarak_Eric]

thanks for the demo but i have a few questions if u dont mind
besides the length what does the normal jesses differ from the hunting ones?
why do you make some diamond shape hole in the normal and not in the hunting? what do you do with it?
regards

The difference between hunting jesses and normal jesses are the slit. Hunting jesses are slitless so that you don't get your bird caught up in a tree with the slit. Very rarely will this happen with regular jesses, but not worth taking the chance. If Hawkmaster makes some narrower bullet jesses I'll be using those, and then you fly completly without jesses! Whole 'nother thread there though.

[Gil]

The difference between hunting jesses and normal jesses are the slit. Hunting jesses are slitless so that you don't get your bird caught up in a tree with the slit. Very rarely will this happen with regular jesses, but not worth taking the chance. If Hawkmaster makes some narrower bullet jesses I'll be using those, and then you fly completly without jesses! Whole 'nother thread there though.
but the slits are to attack anklets right?
so how do you do that with hunting jesses and if there is another slit for those then why make this one
sorry to be a burden:)

[Yarak_Eric]

but the slits are to attack anklets right?
so how do you do that with hunting jesses and if there is another slit for those then why make this one
sorry to be a burden:)

Not a burden at all. But I'm going to let Simon post up some more pics to show you better than my words can describe. (long day at work and I haven't even opened a bottle yet!)

[TerryFittis]

great thread and easy understood

[David Rampling]

Great valuable info for beginners Simon, well done mate. Perhaps you could continue with the photo instructions on other subjects in the future.

[Yarak_Eric]

Not a burden at all. The slits are for attaching your swivel for your leash. If you are going to be hunting you swap them out, simply by pulling the jesses through the grommets, and put the slitless ones in place. You want to make sure that you do this one at a time so that the bird doesn't bait away from you without anything to grab (although not a huge problem) I pull jesses out or swap them in the mews so that I'm not worried about my bird taking off without jesses on me. Learned that the hard way when I was trying to try my bullet jesses that didn't fit, out in the field. So difference is, flying jesses = slitless, normal jesses = slitted so that you can attach leash to keep bird tethered. IMO there's no reason for slitted jesses if you're free lofting.

Sorry I corrected that....my brain didn't kick in the first time I posted it.

[Yarak_Eric]

Simon, maybe you could continue pictures of how the jesses are used, as my words may have confused people more....hell I think I may have confused myself! :supz:

[LaurenS]

Simon, maybe you could continue pictures of how the jesses are used, as my words may have confused people more....hell I think I may have confused myself! :supz:


pmsfl

[Harris]

Simon, maybe you could continue pictures of how the jesses are used, as my words may have confused people more....hell I think I may have confused myself! :supz:

Yes mate I will good Idea.

[Harris]

This is the difference between a flying Jess (Right) and a Mews Jess (Left) flying jesses are normally made from a much stiffer leather and not greased, this way they don't wrap around branches etc. The small hole is so that you can clip a leash to the jess when your bird is on a kill or when the bird is on the fist and your waiting for a slip.

[Harris]

To fit an anklet to the bird you will need an Eylet Pliers, this is one type but there are a number of other tools available such as a screw type etc. Remember the anklet is placed around the leg of a new bird which is usually attempting to get free and maybe even trying to grab you with its foot.

[Harris]

Ok this is how the Jess, fits to the anklet, just feed it through so that the button is on the outside of the leg.

[Harris]

Next I'll show you how to fit the swivel and leash. I'll only use 1 jess as its awkward for me to do 2 while taking photos but basically you just put the 2 together so the slots line up. :yawinkle:

First feed the jess through the large loop in the swivel. Like so

[Harris]

Pull it through and open the slit.

[Harris]

Then push the small loop in the swivel back through the split in the Jess.

[Harris]

Then pull it tight.

[Harris]

Both Jesses will now be fitted to the swivel. Remember you have to do this with 1 hand as the bird will be sat on your other. Try it with cold wet hands!! :yawinkle:

[Harris]

Next all you have to do is fit the leash through the swivel, which is very simple.

[Harris]

Tie off the leash to your glove or teathering ring/perch and its job done. :yawinkle:

[FalconGriff]

Great post Simon! Now for the criticism!!
1/ Always test the leather you use. Cut a strip quarter of an inch wide and wrap round your hands and try to snap it. If you can, its no good. In a scrap piece cut a slit with holes at the ends but longer than the jesses slit put your fingers in and try to tear. If you can your leather is not good enough. Kangeroo and Dog skin is the best but expensive, but nothing compared to the cost of the bird!
2/ Use scalpels with new blades to get a clean cut so your jessses don't look they were chewed out! Do not use sissors they leave small knoicks that is the start of a fresh tear.
3/ I wrap my button up four times to make a bigger button than Simon but thats personal!
4/ I use permanent flying jesses. These are just a strip of leather quarter of and inch wide with a hole at one end and a point at the other pull this through with the eyelet in the loop. This is left on the bird at all times so that when the mews jesses are put through the flying jesses are there as well. To fly just pull out the mews jesses and hold on to these thin flying jesses. Do not oil them and they will soon get stiff so they will never tangle up on any thing.

To repeat great post that I'm sure took a lot of time so I hope you don't mind me adding to it.

[Harris]

Thats not criticism Griff thats extra golden nuggets of info mate!

[Harris]

With reference to what griff means about permenent flying jesses, you will see them fitted to my old harris Hawk in this photo, they are the small light Tan stripps attached to her anklets.

[tonythetiger122]

once aga thanks this isvery helpfull.

Can you just clarify to me how the permanent flying jesses are attatched onto the anklet? should these also be shorter than mews jesses?

sorry to be a pain, just wana get it right!

Cheers guys

[Harris]

once aga thanks this isvery helpfull.

Can you just clarify to me how the permanent flying jesses are attatched onto the anklet? should these also be shorter than mews jesses?

sorry to be a pain, just wana get it right!

Cheers guys

I'll photograph it later for you :yawinkle:

[tonythetiger122]

thanks that wil be great

[Hardcore Hawker]

Simon, just a note on length! i always make sure the slits in the Jesses are shorter than the length of the birds tail as i have found if they are longer than the tail the leash button and the swivel bounces up against the end of the tail during a bate with possible damage especially with Goshawks, i hope i have explained this clearly.:roll:

[Harris]

Simon, just a note on length! i always make sure the slits in the Jesses are shorter than the length of the birds tail as i have found if they are longer than the tail the leash button and the swivel bounces up against the end of the tail during a bate with possible damage especially with Goshawks, i hope i have explained this clearly.:roll:

Yes I know what you mean and its a good point, but to put it slightly clearer :yawinkle:

The Jesses should be short enough so that the swivel and button on the leash are a couple of inches higher than the end of the birds tail .

[Hardcore Hawker]

Yes I know what you mean and its a good point, but to put it slightly clearer :yawinkle:

The Jesses should be short enough so that the swivel and button on the leash are a couple of inches higher than the end of the birds tail .

Thats It:lol:

[Hawkmaster]

Great thread and I just rated it as EXCELLENT on the top right of my page!

[PegLegs]

excelent thread verry helpfull:)

[Leo 1]

Both Jesses will now be fitted to the swivel. Remember you have to do this with 1 hand as the bird will be sat on your other. Try it with cold wet hands!! :yawinkle:

or do it with a cold glas of water in ya gloved hand :lol::twisted:

[Leo 1]

With reference to what griff means about permenent flying jesses, you will see them fitted to my old harris Hawk in this photo, they are the small light Tan stripps attached to her anklets.

i make my permenent flying jesses as one with the anclerts if u get me exactley the same as the lad duse on the dvd imprint goshawks anclerts and flying jesses as one peas of lether any one els do the same

[Gyr-SakerFalcon]

Not trying to stand on anyones toes as this has already had lots of very good input, but just thought i would mention as i didn't see it (sorry if it is there) that when fitting anklets make sure all rings are put up nearest the body as they can cause considerable damage if put foot side and the bird begins to bate.

If your unsure what i am on about take a look at some of simon's excellent photo's and note where the birds rings are situated, you will see they are sat on top of the anklet.

[NicksChurch]

Harris, can you show us series of photos on how to make the anklets too?

[Harris]

Harris, can you show us series of photos on how to make the anklets too?

Yes, I'll see if I can do it later, I'm also going to add to it with instructions on making Permenent flying Jesses and how to fit them and also how to make Button Bewits and traditional Bewits and fit them. as a few members have asked me.

[Harris]

Not trying to stand on anyones toes as this has already had lots of very good input, but just thought i would mention as i didn't see it (sorry if it is there) that when fitting anklets make sure all rings are put up nearest the body as they can cause considerable damage if put foot side and the bird begins to bate.

If your unsure what i am on about take a look at some of simon's excellent photo's and note where the birds rings are situated, you will see they are sat on top of the anklet.

Spot on! I forgot to mention that :oops:

[Yarak_Eric]

Thanks for the update with that Harris. That will come in useful for so many potential falconers and will help us to point newcomers in the proper direction! Great stuff!

[Matt.Leese]

great tutorial simon. any chance on some bewits ? :D

matt;-)

[TheCanopus]

Thanks for the update with that Harris. That will come in useful for so many potential falconers and will help us to point newcomers in the proper direction! Great stuff!

Well said....:supz:

[Harris]

great tutorial simon. any chance on some bewits ? :D

matt;-)

See Post 59 :yawinkle:

[FalconGriff]

See Post 59 :yawinkle:

I am so lazy I just cable tie my bells onto the close rings on each leg or if there isn't one I cut and open a close ring of the correct size close it back onto the birds leg and cable tie onto that. The advantage is the bell never comes loose and so stands away from the leg and back talon so rings better. I even have a method similar for putting telemetry off the close ring that works well. When I get to Dubai I am going to sort out this photo thing and astound you all with my useless knowledge!!

[Harris]

I am so lazy I just cable tie my bells onto the close rings on each leg or if there isn't one I cut and open a close ring of the correct size close it back onto the birds leg and cable tie onto that. The advantage is the bell never comes loose and so stands away from the leg and back talon so rings better. I even have a method similar for putting telemetry off the close ring that works well. When I get to Dubai I am going to sort out this photo thing and astound you all with my useless knowledge!!

I use the same method Griff, and also make Telem mounts from .22 cases more or less the same way as yours. But seeings people have asked me, I might as well do it. By the way did you get that Kangaroo Hide in, I'm in desperate need. if so let me know how much. :yawinkle:

[Gyr-SakerFalcon]

another method is to punch a small hole in the actual anklet above the fixing ring and stick your cable tie through that.

[mick25]

thanks for the help:P

[nektia]

Now a tip here, When you punch the holes on your kitchen floor using an old piece of lino for a backdrop for the photos. Try not to punch straight through into the kitchen floor underneath, note the small hole in the flooring :oops::lol:

Thanks Simon good post,i bet you were pleased :D

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Yes, I'll see if I can do it later, I'm also going to add to it with instructions on making Permenent flying Jesses and how to fit them and also how to make Button Bewits and traditional Bewits and fit them. as a few members have asked me.

You will find instructions on how to make traditional and button bewits here:

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18400

[MattSpar]

and thats it

Is it?

I find it much simpler to roughly point the ends at first then taper them properly after the button is made and the jesses thoroughly stretched as they almost never come out the same length initially. Done this way, you can lay them side by side or, as I do, one on top of the other, thus ensuring they match lengthwise.
If one is laid skin side uppermost, and the other suede side uppermost, one diagonal cut will ensure a perfectly matching pair.

[Yarak_Eric]

Is it?

I find it much simpler to roughly point the ends at first then taper them properly after the button is made and the jesses thoroughly stretched as they almost never come out the same length initially. Done this way, you can lay them side by side or, as I do, one on top of the other, thus ensuring they match lengthwise.
If one is laid skin side uppermost, and the other suede side uppermost, one diagonal cut will ensure a perfectly matching pair.


Good recommendation.

[Harris]

Is it?

I find it much simpler to roughly point the ends at first then taper them properly after the button is made and the jesses thoroughly stretched as they almost never come out the same length initially. Done this way, you can lay them side by side or, as I do, one on top of the other, thus ensuring they match lengthwise.
If one is laid skin side uppermost, and the other suede side uppermost, one diagonal cut will ensure a perfectly matching pair.

Matt as you know there are many different methods and many little idiosyncrasies and other info that can be given out. My intention was to keep the tutorial basic, and let other far more knowledgeable people like yourself add to it. My thats it comment was to indicate I'd finished the tutorial so that others could comment as I'd asked for people not to post as I was building the thread as it would spoil the continuity. However your advice is most well accepted, and I'm honored that someone such as your self as taken the time to read it. :yawinkle:

Simon

[FalconGriff]

I use the same method Griff, and also make Telem mounts from .22 cases more or less the same way as yours. But seeings people have asked me, I might as well do it. By the way did you get that Kangaroo Hide in, I'm in desperate need. if so let me know how much. :yawinkle:

£12 a foot square plus a £1 P&P Sorry its gone up but the value of the pound etc etc!!

[FalconGriff]

Thanks Simon good post,i bet you were pleased :D
Originally Posted by Harris View Post
Now a tip here, When you punch the holes on your kitchen floor using an old piece of lino for a backdrop for the photos. Try not to punch straight through into the kitchen floor underneath, note the small hole in the flooring

The3 best thing to use under your punch is a sheet of lead This lets you punch a clean hole but is so soft it doesn't blunt your punch.

[Harris]

Originally Posted by Harris View Post
Now a tip here, When you punch the holes on your kitchen floor using an old piece of lino for a backdrop for the photos. Try not to punch straight through into the kitchen floor underneath, note the small hole in the flooring

The3 best thing to use under your punch is a sheet of lead This lets you punch a clean hole but is so soft it doesn't blunt your punch.

I usually use a wooden chopping board! wife hasn't spotted the hole yet! If I'm not logged on here for a few days, you know she's found it! Grapes and flowers Co. Singleton Hospital please Intensive care unit! :lol:

[tonythetiger122]

ha ha, cheers this thread is great, looking forward to the flying jesses and the bewit
i like right by singleton hospital mate, what colour grapes you want??? lol

[FalconGriff]

I usually use a wooden chopping board! wife hasn't spotted the hole yet! If I'm not logged on here for a few days, you know she's found it! Grapes and flowers Co. Singleton Hospital please Intensive care unit! :lol:

Being pedantic a wooden chopping board will quickly take the edge off your punch so if you don't want to continually sharpen them (and its not an easy job) get a bit of sheet lead! Your wife will leave you alone as well so we will all save a fortune in grapes!

[MattSpar]

Matt as you know there are many different methods and many little idiosyncrasies and other info that can be given out. My intention was to keep the tutorial basic, and let other far more knowledgeable people like yourself add to it. My thats it comment was to indicate I'd finished the tutorial so that others could comment as I'd asked for people not to post as I was building the thread as it would spoil the continuity. However your advice is most well accepted, and I'm honored that someone such as your self as taken the time to read it. :yawinkle:

Simon

Simon,
I was simply pointing out something I thought may be useful in an excellent tutorial, not being a didactic, as I hope you realise.

[Harris]

Simon,
I was simply pointing out something I thought may be useful in an excellent tutorial, not being a didactic, as I hope you realise.

Of course Matt, my post was more to point out that there are many ways to skin a horse! and I appreciate your comments. :yawinkle:

[GavSterry]

Hi Harris.. any news on the other pics :o, also any news on your bird?

[Harris]

Hi Harris.. any news on the other pics :o, also any news on your bird?

Hi mate, I'll try and do some later, and no news on the bird unfortunately!

[GavSterry]

Thats cool thanks, been making a few pairs of jesses :supz:. And sorry to hear that. how longs it been missing now?:goodman:

Gav

[Harris]

Permanent Flying Jesses

As promised here is the tutorial for making and fitting Permanent flying Jesses. There are many designs and methods in use but I will show you how I make and fit them. Unfortunately I've run out of new leather so have used an old pair for the purpose of this tutorial.

First off you need some very strong leather. the stronger and stiffer the better, Kangaroo hide is probably best but it needs to be very thin I use 1.5mm Hide.

Cut off 2 strips with the grain of the hide as this will make them stronger and stiffer, cut them 5mm wide and about 22cm long. and taper one end to a point,

[Harris]

Next gut 2 small slits dead in the centre in the positions you see in the photograph.

[Harris]

Fitting is very easy, first loop it though the anket and feed the short end through the second slit as shown.

[Harris]

Next feed the long end through the first slit as shown, and then pull tight.

[Harris]

It should then look like this, just make sure you don't twist the leather when you pull it through.

[Harris]

You can then refit the mews jesses. Remember do not grease the flying jesses as you want them to stay as stiff as possible.

[GavSterry]

Thats brilliant.. thanks Harris :D

[MattSpar]

Never heard of these permanent fling jesses.

Always used flying jesses myself...

[Harris]

Never heard of these permanent fling jesses.

Always used flying jesses myself...

Your a pedantic old sod! :lol:

[tonythetiger122]

thats good, cheers

is the leather used for the flyinf jesses the same stuff as for mews jesses or do yoiu need to buy two different thicknesses?

[Harris]

thats good, cheers

is the leather used for the flying jesses the same stuff as for mews jesses or do yoiu need to buy two different thicknesses?

There are a lot of different leathers out there, get the best you can afford as its not expensive. i would suggest a thicker leather for mews jesses which also needs to be more subtle and greased or you'll have real trouble fitting a swivel.

[MattSpar]

Your a predantic old sod! :lol:


I am. Pedantic even..

Sorry.

[Harris]

I am. Pedantic even..

Sorry.

PMSL :supz:

[HunterJen]

Excellent Thread Harris, im sure this will helpful for a lot of people and also Hattie's (FHF) Thread is also good with the bewits.

Just a question, does everyone punch a hole in their flying jesses?

ATB and great thread Harris

Jen x

[Harris]

Excellent Thread Harris, im sure this will helpful for a lot of people and also Hattie's (FHF) Thread is also good with the bewits.

Just a question, does everyone punch a hole in their flying jesses?

ATB and great thread Harris

Jen x

You don't have to puch a hole but I find it usefull when the bird is on a kill, I use a leash with a snap swivel on the end which clips through the hole, this way I can secure the bird to my hawking bag etc while the bird has a feed. Its also usefull for securing the bird on the fist when crossing ditches or fences etc.

[Gosman]

brilliant thread simon.

[Yarak_Eric]

Good stuff. I learned something new about those permanent flying jesses. Never thought much about those. Does the stiffness help to prevent them from being tangled around brush etc?

[Little Bird]

Thanks you tell used jesses very helpful:heart:

[OutHawkn]

Good stuff. I learned something new about those permanent flying jesses. Never thought much about those. Does the stiffness help to prevent them from being tangled around brush etc?

Eric
Before you attach permanent jesses to your anklets be sure and talk to your sponsor. The reason we have to use aylmeri anklets is so that if the bird escapes the jesses will fall out. It MAY be illegal here in the USA to attach a jess that cant fall out.If little things like the law concern you............:lol:

[Yarak_Eric]

Eric
Before you attach permanent jesses to your anklets be sure and talk to your sponsor. The reason we have to use aylmeri anklets is so that if the bird escapes the jesses will fall out. It MAY be illegal here in the USA to attach a jess that cant fall out.If little things like the law concern you............:lol:


Oh I'm not planning on using the permanent jesses on my red-tail. But I found it interesting and informative just the same. Although I believe in the Imprint Accipiter II book that I just recieved, McDermott utilizes a system like this for Sharpies and possibly coopers. I don't think he had anklets on them but I'll have to check again when I get home. Thanks for lookin out Bill! :yawinkle:

[Harris]

I have been asked by a member to how both Jesses are fitted to the Swivel, as a little confussion has crept in. So here goes.

[Harris]

Put them together.

[Harris]

Pop them through.

[Harris]

loop them over.

[Harris]

Pull then down

[Harris]

and Pull them tight.

[SparsTheOne]

Great thread simon, REP added lol.

GOD I wish they,ed bring back the rep points, as that was good fun.:supz::P


jase.

[Little Bird]

so Thanks now every thing clear this type Thread helpful for new Falconer ,please more thread post next time

[GavSterry]

Instead of punching holes in the flying jesses and attatching a leash that way. Isnt it just quicker and easier to use bullet jesses? And at least then nothing can get caught in the hole..Just a thought..
Gav

[Leo 1]

ccan any one show us how to make tradishonl flying/mews jesses plz

[Harris]

Instead of punching holes in the flying jesses and attatching a leash that way. Isnt it just quicker and easier to use bullet jesses? And at least then nothing can get caught in the hole..Just a thought..
Gav

I often use bullet jesses whilst in the field, but unless you fly the bird with permenant flying jesses, like I showed on this thread, you have nothing to grab hold of if you need to take control of your bird quickly. To be honest I doubt if any twig that can get caught in a 3mm hole is going to be strong enough to trap your bird, unless it was really unlucky and managed to get a bit of wire through it. :rolleyes:

[Harris]

so Thanks now every thing clear this type Thread helpful for new Falconer ,please more thread post next time

Glad your happy :yawinkle:

[Harris]

ccan any one show us how to make tradishonl flying/mews jesses plz

Tig, I'll see if I can find one of my old patterns, although I wouldn't reccomend anyone uses them.

[Harris]

Some usefull info here.

http://www.themodernapprentice.com/jesses.htm

[Leo 1]

Tig, I'll see if I can find one of my old patterns, although I wouldn't reccomend anyone uses them.

chears m8 i no ther not recomended to us but they are aa gd queck fix if nothink els if ya get me lol

[EdenJohnny]

Great thread. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I often fly Evie totally naked, Just user a leash through the anklets if I want to hold her. I am Lucky cos she is an Ace . Johnny

[Harris]

Great thread. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I often fly Evie totally naked, Just user a leash through the anklets if I want to hold her. I am Lucky cos she is an Ace . Johnny

Johnny, you might be lucky, a couple of seasons back I had just removed my Harris's equipment I was using Permenant flying Jesses at the time, as I was putting her jesses in my pocket, I just caught site of a small Yorkshire Terrier pup running towards me, Bella saw it and left the glove to grab it, I was just able to grab the permanent flying Jess as she did so, and hence get her under control. If she had not been wearing them, I would have ended up in intensive care, as the pup was quickly followed by one of the biggest hardest look blokes I've ever seen, with a Bull Mastiff on a chain. oh and his girlfriend who's pup it was. :rolleyes:

[GavSterry]

Johnny, you might be lucky, a couple of seasons back I had just removed my Harris's equipment I was using Permenant flying Jesses at the time, as I was putting her jesses in my pocket, I just caught site of a small Yorkshire Terrier pup running towards me, Bella saw it and left the glove to grab it, I was just able to grab the permanent flying Jess as she did so, and hence get her under control. If she had not been wearing them, I would have ended up in intensive care, as the pup was quickly followed by one of the biggest hardest look blokes I've ever seen, with a Bull Mastiff on a chain. oh and his girlfriend who's pup it was. :rolleyes:

lol close call then. yeh i was just asking out of interest. was thinking of getting some bullets, I was going to get hawkmasters but i'd prefer some with a permanant leash attached to it. Im deffinetly going to use permanant flying jesses too though. Once again, great thread harris.. Made my first set of jesses and bewits yesterday :)

Gav

[Harris]

Made my first set of jesses and bewits yesterday :)

Gav

Wel done mate, get a photo up then :yawinkle:

[GavSterry]

Wel done mate, get a photo up then :yawinkle:

Ummm lol, I dunno if they are right mind.. i think the jesses are too short.. im going to buy a set and take a copy of them.. will take some pics now :) :oops:

[GavSterry]

As stated, here are a few attemps lol. please dont be too harsh :roll:


http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq354/gavo1989/DSCF0500.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq354/gavo1989/DSCF0501.jpg

Gav

[GavSterry]

Bewits

[Harris]

Well done mate, looking good. Its a great feeling making your own equipment. :yawinkle:

[Pearl]

great thread si rep added mate

[GavSterry]

Well done mate, looking good. Its a great feeling making your own equipment. :yawinkle:

Thanks harris :). Like i said im going o buy a set too, just for template etc.
P.s thanks for adding the pic :wink:

Gav

[Harris]

Thanks harris :). Like i said im going o buy a set too, just for template etc.
P.s thanks for adding the pic :wink:

Gav

Don't waist your money Gav, spend it instead on some real good quality leather, FalconGriff has some which I'm using at the moment, its the best I've had for a while.

[GavSterry]

Don't waist your money Gav, spend it instead on some real good quality leather, FalconGriff has some which I'm using at the moment, its the best I've had for a while.

Thats what that is lol. Got it off him a few weeks ago. Very helpful.
Thanks
Gav

[Leo 1]

Well done mate, looking good. Its a great feeling making your own equipment. :yawinkle:

innit just love making my own nets its a grat feling wen u us them for the first time and she them pursh up the first rabbit it gets

[Harris]

innit just love making my own nets its a grat feling wen u us them for the first time and she them pursh up the first rabbit it gets

Why not start a thread Tig get the camera out mate :yawinkle:

[Leo 1]

Why not start a thread Tig get the camera out mate :yawinkle:

lol dont have the equipmont to make any lol good idea tho

[Little Bird]

hi,
I have made jesses.but I don't know how to use it but after seeing your thread I came to know about its better production and use I have make one for my bird attaching its picture.I appreciate your thread it helps much.:supz:

[Little Bird]

Pictures

[Harris]

Pictures

Hi mate, well done for making your own equipment, however looking at your photos I would make the following observations.

Firstly the Anklets are far too big for the bird, and need to be much narrower as they will rub the legs. Also the Eyelets look too small for the Jesses, which means you will have trouble feeding them through the hole. I would make much narrower Jesses but use larger eyelets and narrower jesses. Also make the slit for the swivel further down towards the end of the jess, as the overhang could snag the swivel. HTH.

Si

[Shaun Bannister]

just a thought,if you put the jesses through the upper part of the swivel from the opposite direction to each other, the second jess will help to lock the first jess in place as well as itself and reduce the chances of it dropping down and binding into the rotation part of the swivel inducing tangles(plus i think it looks nicer as well !:lol:)

[Falconry Favourites]

very interesting mate

[LongEars]

great thread, I spend some time last night cutting up leather and making Jesses, very theraputic!!

[CeeGee]

thread a great help for beginners like me, had a go at a pair of jesses and a leash.

[Misseh71]

Excellent thread!
VERY helpful for newcomers like me!
Thank you :)

[Tommy No Mates]

Hi simon, great thread, looks like 100% positive response to the time youve put into this:supz:
p.s stopped useing holes in flying jessies last year,i had one of my birds hung up,never again

[Carl.S]

Wow what a great thread!! I have not even started my journey into this pastime and I am wanting to get making some of my own stuff already.

Do you have any links as to where we can order the leather, punches, eyelets etc etc.

Thanks
Carl/Francesca.

[Chris Joyce]

excellant thread.. just read the whole lot..how bout some one {or just harris hes been doin so well} show us all how to make squirel chaps ive tried and tried but with the step by step photos by harris i think i might give it another go,
kind regards

chris:supz:

[Steve.T]

squirrel chaps ???

[Shaun Bannister]

excellant thread.. just read the whole lot..how bout some one {or just harris hes been doin so well} show us all how to make squirel chaps ive tried and tried but with the step by step photos by harris i think i might give it another go,
kind regards

chris:supz:

dont bother avoid squirrels like the plague or train as a vet !

[Gav.Hawks]

great thread.good to see people helping others out.:supz:

[Steve.T]

simon...

absolutely brilliant post bud, thank you.


p.s if you are still a non smoker, congrats, i packed up 11 years ago and its not easy, well done fella.

[GosGaz]

As a beginner, without a bird till next year I have read through this thread and think it is really brilliant!

It is so good to see someone devote so much effort to help beginners, may I just say thank you Simon, really great job :supz:

[RedTail17]

To Baitman: Squirrel chaps are pieces of leather that sit on top of the birds feet. The hope is that the squirrel bites them instead of the bird.


http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii131/beau_084/myfalconryequiptment.jpg

[Flash Gordan]

The modern apprentice is were I learned everything, it is really helpful too me. Thanks for the jesses pattern Harris

[OutHawkn]

The modern apprentice

Keep in mind that this is only one persons way of doing things and when you find a sponsor he/she may very well want you to do somethings different. And as an apprentice you need to follow your sponsors instructions. Just somethig to keep in mind.

[John Soulsby]

I haven't read all the posts but this thread is what this forum should be about - passing on good sound information. Well done.

John

[BigDave]

hi all just starting up and need the basic 3 sizes for anklets. please help me.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[BigDave]

These are the tool I use, you don't need both types of punch, but do need different sizes.

hi all just starting up and need the basic 3 sizes for anklets. please help me.http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Robam]

Hi Dave,

As a newbie I may be totally wrong, but I was not aware that there is three standard sizes of Anklets. For instance, Merlin, Spar, HH and Goldie will all neeed different sizes. So what I am doing with my anklets is just cutting an over length piece, shaping and punching one end of it, then put it around the leg and fit it to suit when I pick my bird up, attach eyelet, trim of excess. I wll be doing this whilst the bird is in a casting jacket.

Regards

Rob

[Sean D]

Hi Dave,

As a newbie I may be totally wrong, but I was not aware that there is three standard sizes of Anklets. For instance, Merlin, Spar, HH and Goldie will all neeed different sizes. So what I am doing with my anklets is just cutting an over length piece, shaping and punching one end of it, then put it around the leg and fit it to suit when I pick my bird up, attach eyelet, trim of excess. I wll be doing this whilst the bird is in a casting jacket.

Regards

Rob

You'll find it a bit awkward to trim the ends and risk cutting the birds leg whilst doing it, far better to know the size you need and have them ready

[Little Joe]

Hi Dave,

As a newbie I may be totally wrong, but I was not aware that there is three standard sizes of Anklets. For instance, Merlin, Spar, HH and Goldie will all neeed different sizes. So what I am doing with my anklets is just cutting an over length piece, shaping and punching one end of it, then put it around the leg and fit it to suit when I pick my bird up, attach eyelet, trim of excess. I wll be doing this whilst the bird is in a casting jacket.

Regards

Rob

There are many many more than 3 sizes of anklets. The best way to measure is to take a stick of a thickness very close to that of your bird's tarsi, and use it as a dummy foot on which to measure the anklet you are making before fitting it on your bird.

Obviously you have a little play in size that you can get away with, but the bottom line is the anklet must turn freely around the foot, but not be big enough for the foot to slip through.

[Scouse69_123]

i think hood making should be added to this therd, also anklets very helpfull therd fr beginers

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Hi Dave,

As a newbie I may be totally wrong, but I was not aware that there is three standard sizes of Anklets. For instance, Merlin, Spar, HH and Goldie will all neeed different sizes. So what I am doing with my anklets is just cutting an over length piece, shaping and punching one end of it, then put it around the leg and fit it to suit when I pick my bird up, attach eyelet, trim of excess. I wll be doing this whilst the bird is in a casting jacket.

Regards

Rob

I have always done this although I check the fit, then trim the excess, punch the hole for the eyelet and then fit the anklet.

I have never understood why you would make up an anklet ready for a new bird because if its the wrong size you will have to make a whole new one - just at the most critical point! It only takes seconds to trim a half made anklets and punch the eyelet hole.

[Booster]

what about the long of jesses?

[Robam]

Hi All,

Just thought I would show what I have made when time has allowed over the last few weeks, 2 other sets of mews jesses and semi made up anklets are in a bag with some grease. I have also done 2 pairs of flying jesses.

Regards

Rob

[Booster]

Hi All,

Just thought I would show what I have made when time has allowed over the last few weeks, 2 other sets of mews jesses and semi made up anklets are in a bag with some grease. I have also done 2 pairs of flying jesses.

Regards

Rob
that is good...:yawinkle:

[RSMat]

good thread

[Wannabe falconer]

Cracking thread thanks to all involved

[marinerz]

hai..nce to know this..
i'll make it by myself..

thx for the share.
anywy may i copy paste this pic .?

[Harris]

hai..nce to know this..
i'll make it by myself..

thx for the share.
anywy may i copy paste this pic .?

Yes you can, but if you use them on any other website then please credit me and this forum for them.

Thanks.

[CMullins]

what im confused with is how do normal flying jesses stay on?? (not the ones that stay on all the time)

these are the ones im on about : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310147029767&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

thanks

chris

[Harris]

what im confused with is how do normal flying jesses stay on?? (not the ones that stay on all the time)

these are the ones im on about : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310147029767&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

thanks

chris

Chris, the width of the leather Jess is slightly wider than the hole in the anklet, as a result the Jesses just stay in.

[CMullins]

Chris, the width of the leather Jess is slightly wider than the hole in the anklet, as a result the Jesses just stay in.

so its pretty simple then lol thanks for that, and the small hold in the end of the jess is to attach a lead? also what do you thing of the jesses in the link.

thanks

chris

[Jaber_Slm]

thanks I was looking for that

[offenbach]

Great post Simon

[gizmonizer]

Thx 4 explanation.... it's help's alot

[Lunar]

Just wondering why u put holes in flying jesses i have been taught not to it is some thing else to get caught on twigs.

[Jim041]

cheers for this post, wicked , although i still dont own a harris yet im still making them , i got my hands on some leather its good i cant brake it so i dont think a harris will .

[AndyHawks]

Just wondering why u put holes in flying jesses i have been taught not to it is some thing else to get caught on twigs.
some people put little holes at the bottom as some like to have a bit of string attached to the glove they can tie onto the flying jessesfor extra safety.some people do it some dont atb andy

[Harris]

Just wondering why u put holes in flying jesses i have been taught not to it is some thing else to get caught on twigs.

The holes I punch in the end of the flying Jesses are very small, my Falcons don't tend to land in trees so its unlikely anything will get snagged. Even if a small twig did somehow get in the hole I doubt it would be strong enough to trap the bird. The reason I punch the hole is I often have the bird on a cadge in the Landrover and Drive around looking for slips at Crows, often there is little time from spotting a good slip and getting the bird in the air, so rather than have the bird tethered to the cadge with mews jesses, swivel and leash, I simply feed a small length of creance line through the holes in the Jesses to secure the bird in the car. Obviously if you have concerns about the holes then leave the jesses unpunched. :lol:

[LadyHawke]

What a terrific thread! Well done, Harris. Might I ask, do you stretch your leather before you make your kit? I was trained to do it always before kit was made, so the anklets wouldnt become too big, or the jesses stretch and become too thin? Please, it is only an observation, not a critiscism in any way at all! I soak my leather thoroughly in water then nail it to my workmate, then open the vice. I open the vice further and further as the leather dries, until it wont open any more, and the leather has stretched very taut, then leave it naied up til it is dry completely. This way, your kit stays the same size as you made it.

[Harris]

What a terrific thread! Well done, Harris. Might I ask, do you stretch your leather before you make your kit? I was trained to do it always before kit was made, so the anklets wouldnt become too big, or the jesses stretch and become too thin? Please, it is only an observation, not a critiscism in any way at all! I soak my leather thoroughly in water then nail it to my workmate, then open the vice. I open the vice further and further as the leather dries, until it wont open any more, and the leather has stretched very taut, then leave it naied up til it is dry completely. This way, your kit stays the same size as you made it.

Generally the leather I use is pre stretched, Although I prefer a little stretch in jesses, as it can take the "jolt" out of a bating bird. However the point you make is important as I have had some "pre stretched" leather stretch a little too much. :yawinkle:

[Jog3ee]

Great thread Harris :) Hats off mate

[Marky]

Great thread guys, some really helpful advice for a newbie like myself, great pictures too! Thanks to all involved! :)

[Little Joe]

I dont want to sound difficult, but today I thought... maybe Arab jesses are the best for a longwing?

Jannes

[Falconry Favourites]

good thread mate

[FalconFred]

I dont want to sound difficult, but today I thought... maybe Arab jesses are the best for a longwing?

Jannes
How do the differ Jannes? are the a variation on our mews/flying Jesses?

I would be interested to know mate..

atb,
Ger

[KevGem1]

just come across this thread well done Simon, it will be very useful to new comers and will help them to get started making there own equipment well done pal atb KEV.

[FelimStar]

Great thread learned a lot tonight hope to see more of the same in the future

[StevieJambo]

excellent stuff mate much appreciated us newcomers need all the help we can get ,i hope there are more like you out there
:grin:

[ItstThatFimble]

Great post, I may have to try this out :] Thanks very much

[Fat-Ferret]

Very interesting

[Loch Lomond]

I have just managed to get the time to read most of the thread, what a great thread, for anyone. The tip about not greasing flying jesses is good information. Individuals are provided information by their mentors, so everyone uses different methods, with the same aim. Maybe the following will add another little piece of information that some may find useful. One thing I was taught, was to try and stretch the hide, first one way, then at 90 degrees, the hide always seems to stretch more in one direction than the other. The jesse should be cut so that the "length" of the jesse is in the direction of least stretch. (I put an arrow on the hide to remind me). I always try to make up at least six pairs of jesses each time, this cuts down on time, by being able to mark, and cut several strips at once. Another thing I was taught, grease the jesse before you form the button, this way, it ensures the inside of the button is protected and waterproof.

I have had a few birds handed in with injuries to legs, past breaks etc, where one leg, near the foot, is larger than the other. In these cases, I measure each leg, and make the anklets to suit. The flying jesses only have one "pull through" hole, to attach to the eyelet. With the correct punch size, and a small notch on the outside of the leather strip, the notches locate in the hole, preventing the flying jesse from coming loose. If anyone is interested, I make all the anklets of a "pull through" design, can be fitted while most of the birds stand on the glove (even the female Goldie), no need to have a crimping tool near the bird.

Really great thread Simon, credit to you.:supz:

[Rebus]

Great stuff :supz:

[HighFlyer25]

very useful:cool: atb

[Pancho]

thank you for the post

it has been very usefull

BR
Pancho

[Markus]

Another great thread & very useful to a newbie
Mark

[Chrisy]

how is the hole made in the anklets? what tool is needed and do i need a different tool for different sizes or can you get a tool that does all? i have the screw type tool for fitting and have 2 sizes

[Dave G]

how is the hole made in the anklets? what tool is needed and do i need a different tool for different sizes or can you get a tool that does all? i have the screw type tool for fitting and have 2 sizes

Made with a leather puch which can be brought from any craft shop they have a revolving wheel which had different size punches on you punch 2 small holes just apart from each other then cut a slit from hole to hole and there you have it ??

[Chrisy]

Made with a leather puch which can be brought from any craft shop they have a revolving wheel which had different size punches on you punch 2 small holes just apart from each other then cut a slit from hole to hole and there you have it ??
thanx ill get one off ebay if i can. i do have the stamp type i got from ebay but they are too small they looked a lot bigger on the add

[Barnaby]

how to make jesses and anklits


simpol biy them of me and fit them ur selfs :yawinkle:

[Steve O]

Originally Posted by Chrisy
how is the hole made in the anklets? what tool is needed and do i need a different tool for different sizes or can you get a tool that does all? i have the screw type tool for fitting and have 2 sizes
Made with a leather puch which can be brought from any craft shop they have a revolving wheel which had different size punches on you punch 2 small holes just apart from each other then cut a slit from hole to hole and there you have it ??

Think Chrisy was asking about the anklets not the jesses?

[Chrisy]

how to make jesses and anklits


simpol biy them of me and fit them ur selfs :yawinkle:
id prefer to make my own and fit them then i can do it for myself and i can help others too also if i ever need them quick i can do it in 2 mins

[Barnaby]

id prefer to make my own and fit them then i can do it for myself and i can help others too also if i ever need them quick i can do it in 2 mins


good man

[Damo]

Great thread. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I often fly Evie totally naked, Just user a leash through the anklets if I want to hold her. I am Lucky cos she is an Ace . Johnny

I haven't read the whole thread yet so sorry if I've missed something but wouldn't flying a bird with just anklets on be more of a risk of getting tangled up in a tree than using flying jesses? Not having a go, Its just id imagine the eyelet hole could easily get caught on a pretty thick branch if it didn't already have leather through it.

Great thread as well :)

[Perebrine]

Hi Simon,
Great post,
Is there any reason you use a punch for making the button & not the eyelet pliers you used to make swivel hole?
John B

[SoldierHawker]

Simon mate this is an excelent thread mate! ... I bet so many novices who PAY £10 a set of jesses from fairs etc love you for this hehe!

Great
atb Bill

[Harris]

Hi Simon,
Great post,
Is there any reason you use a punch for making the button & not the eyelet pliers you used to make swivel hole?
John B

Thanks John, The only reason is that the eyelet pliers I have are a real cheap set and they don't like cutting through double thickness leather :lol:

[Perebrine]

Thanks John, The only reason is that the eyelet pliers I have are a real cheap set and they don't like cutting through double thickness leather :lol:

You must of bought them at the same place I got mine.:lol:
Cheers
John B

[Suunto]

thanks very much the thread on here is very helpfull to a novice like me .
any idea were i can get some good leather from atb.......mark

[DazMet100]

Wish i'd of read this before trying to make my first set. I made them for a sparrow hawk. ****** me there fiddley. Graet thread though

[Andy Plant]

and Pull them tight.I was informed that u should pull them over the swivel oppersite to one another, just checking that it correct to do that aswell as how u have shown both the same way
ATB Andy

[Dave G]

I was informed that u should pull them over the swivel oppersite to one another, just checking that it correct to do that aswell as how u have shown both the same way
ATB Andy

Yes Andy this is correct as they sit alot better this way ;)

[Andy Plant]

Yes Andy this is correct as they sit alot better this way ;)cheers dave, i thought i'd read it some where:lol:

:supz:

[Fergie768]

Great thread I might try and make some even though i don't have a bird

[Howler]

Tried this out and I am now able to make Jesses, how cool is that. Thanks for the information.

[Donkin]

:-DThen simply cut between the 2 holes.

that was so easy thank you so much that will save me some money:-D:-D:-D

[Cackler]

Very very very informative. A million thanks.

[OldGuy]

Great post !

I can add only two bits of mine. I cut swivel slits in jesses a bit farther from the end to give as much leather there as I can. At least 3/4".

The only other thing is I haven't heard anyone using leather conditioner.
I use beeswax and propolis mixture sold here in the States. Obenaufs keeps leather supple and lasts longer, in and out of bath pans and wet grass. Dry is just as harmful to leather.

As I said, great post. Clear photos and easy directions.

Thanks, Dan.

[Fraser Hamilton]

the way i make my jessys is slightly difrant to yours si i fold the leather over 1 mibby 2 times more before i punch a hole in for the button and olso i cut the tapor at a sharper angle giveing a more blunt i supoze would be the word tapor but from the end of the tapor to the slit is still about the same lenth and i make the slit a bit longer aswell :supz:

as for treating them soak them in neatsfoot oil for a fue hrs take them out leve them to dry for 24 hrs then coat with co cocholine and leve till reddy to use :supz:

[C11HEB]

HARRIS. cracking thread. just a question for you when fitting your anklets. dont you put the smooth side of the leather to the inside? as alad tought me to do. and said it stopped sand etc getting trapped and rubbing on the hawks legs.

[Luis_Claudio]

Hello friends!

I am new here in this forum! This is the second thread I see, and I can say: it is a helpfull and amazing thread!

I already bought almos all material I´ll need when I buy my Falco Sparverius. I am just lookinf for very thin leathers, once the Sparverius is a so littlle bird and can´t carry so much weight. Could you please send me links or see yo me if this cangoroo leather is good? It´s 0,9mm thin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250792513857&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5973/canguru.jpg


Thank you!
Luis

[Virago36]

Thank you for the tutorial.Very informative.

[Luis_Claudio]

Hi friends,

Please post your anklets and jesses for the falco sparverius (AK), I would like to see them!

Thank you!

[Lairdy1]

like a lot of people of differing experience have stated, great thread and very helpful indeed, i too, like a lot of others on here are just starting out in falconry and threads like this can only improve our knowledge, hats of to you mate,,


paul

[Martync1967]

good bit of info to someone like me as im just getting started thanks again:D

[Colin Bevan]

And yet there will still be the 'lazy, refuse to get off their arses, bone idle brigade' who will say they can't do it or don't have the time or 1001 other excuses.....and buy gear ready-made :roll:

[HawkNorth]

Simon, just a note on length! i always make sure the slits in the Jesses are shorter than the length of the birds tail as i have found if they are longer than the tail the leash button and the swivel bounces up against the end of the tail during a bate with possible damage especially with Goshawks, i hope i have explained this clearly.:roll:

No are you talking shorter jesse.

[ChopChop]

Great thread...

Anybody know where I can get some of this kangaroo hide or a link to somewere?? And what's the best thickness? I'm going to have a go at the lot mews, hunting and flying jesses.

Cheers

[HallBeck]

Great thread...

Anybody know where I can get some of this kangaroo hide or a link to somewere?? And what's the best thickness? I'm going to have a go at the lot mews, hunting and flying jesses.

Cheers

Do a google search for "Kangaroo Leather".

I can't say the place you need - I have lost track of the IFF policy on recommending suppliers!

[Harris]

Do a google search for "Kangaroo Leather".

I can't say the place you need - I have lost track of the IFF policy on recommending suppliers!

Pm him. ;)

[HallBeck]

Pm him. ;)

No way!

I'll get it on the neck for doing that too!

[ChopChop]

Do a google search for "Kangaroo Leather".

I can't say the place you need - I have lost track of the IFF policy on recommending suppliers!

I have but everything is full hides and minimum orders.

Can't you Email it me :)

Sebjones23@googlemail.com

[Tel]

hi all when you are on your hols abroad look around for the shops that make leather coats shoes etc ,i bought enough leather to last years in bosnia regards tel

[Harris]

No way!

I'll get it on the neck for doing that too!

Not if I've told you to. :D

[JanH]

Not if I've told you to. :D
Beware Charlie - it's probably a trap :lol:

[HallBeck]

Not if I've told you to. :D

Sent an email already.

[ChopChop]

Sent an email already.

I've not revived it sorry.

[Kibu]

just an observation really and definately a great thread,thank you very much,helped me 100% and feel confident making my own but what thickness leather do people use to make their jesses? no excuses, but with work being generally busy i have been buying them rather than making them but i think its time to make more or an effort and make my own from now on.

Kibu

[Gyrkin8]

Great thanks

[ChopChop]

Kangaroo hide is not cheap :shock:

[Harris]

Kangaroo hide is not cheap :shock:

What is it these days, about £12.00 per square foot? far cheaper than losing a hawk through equipment failure. ;)

[ChopChop]

£24 + P&P....I've ordered some anyways :)

[Harris]

£24 + P&P....I've ordered some anyways :)

:shock: I'm not going to ask who you ordered it from but I'm assuming it was Dickturpinfalconrysupplies.com... :lol:

[Kibu]

thickness anyone? :-|

[ChopChop]

:shock: I'm not going to ask who you ordered it from but I'm assuming it was Dickturpinfalconrysupplies.com... :lol:

Hahahaha...is that dear then? It's 1.2 - 1.4mm that's ok isn't it.

[Kibu]

the reason why i asked is because i have made them before but found the leather i used was a tad too thick,maybe kangaroo leather is the way forward by the sounds of it.

thanks :)

[Gyrkin8]

What is it these days, about £12.00 per square foot? far cheaper than losing a hawk through equipment failure. ;)

Very true

[Harris]

Hahahaha...is that dear then? It's 1.2 - 1.4mm that's ok isn't it.

A lot depends on the bird you are making the equipment for. A very wise old falconer taught me this. Cut a strip of leather with the grain 1/4" wide (about 6mm) if you can pull it apart with your hands then it isn't good enough. However in most cases I would imagine that good quality roo hide at that thickness would be suitable for a bird up to 3lb, but its your bird so make sure your happy with the leather.

[Kibu]

thanks for clearing that up,they will be for a male and female RT and of course,the birds are priority :D

atb Kibu

[SmallPeregrine]

Hi Simon
Hope you dont mind my input on making Jesses. These are my spin on the Alymeri Jesses I hand make out of High quality Kangaroo.
Phil

[Luis_Claudio]

Perfect!!!

Hi Simon
Hope you dont mind my input on making Jesses. These are my spin on the Alymeri Jesses I hand make out of High quality Kangaroo.
Phil

[Chimaera]

A lot depends on the bird you are making the equipment for. A very wise old falconer taught me this. Cut a strip of leather with the grain 1/4" wide (about 6mm) if you can pull it apart with your hands then it isn't good enough. However in most cases I would imagine that good quality roo hide at that thickness would be suitable for a bird up to 3lb, but its your bird so make sure your happy with the leather.

Now I've heard that once or twice Simon!!!, Hows things with you anyway???

ATB
Y.Griff

[Harris]

Now I've heard that once or twice Simon!!!, Hows things with you anyway???

ATB
Y.Griff

I'm glad you recognise the source of that wisdom ;)

I'm good thanks, hows everyone down the Vale? :-D

[Chimaera]

I'm good thanks, hows everyone down the Vale? :-D[/QUOTE

Not to bad thanks, all ticking along, dads decided hes to old for falcons so has got himself two female imprint gos's :rolleyes:, you should try and pop down and see us at some point!! How did that gentleman get on with female Harris he had of me??

Y.Griff

[Harris]

I'm good thanks, hows everyone down the Vale? :-D[/QUOTE

Not to bad thanks, all ticking along, dads decided hes to old for falcons so has got himself two female imprint gos's :rolleyes:, you should try and pop down and see us at some point!! How did that gentleman get on with female Harris he had of me??

Y.Griff

I can just see him chasing after a Gos.....:roll::lol:

Yeah, I do need to call down, the show season is nearly over so I'll have more time. The Harris is doing well, a little noisy and sometimes shows some aggression but all in all he's more than pleased.

[ChopChop]

Quick question...

I'm having a go at my jesses. But it says to take into consideration that the leather stretches one way but not the other? Which way do i cut my jesses then do I want it ti stretch lenth ways or width ways?

I'm just going to have a go at mews jesses for MHH any suggestions on lenth and width?

Cheers
Seb


P.s I'm doing the 6mm test to see if it tears?

[Chimaera]

Quick question...

I'm having a go at my jesses. But it says to take into consideration that the leather stretches one way but not the other? Which way do i cut my jesses then do I want it ti stretch lenth ways or width ways?

I'm just going to have a go at mews jesses for MHH any suggestions on lenth and width?

Cheers
Seb



P.s I'm doing the 6mm test to see if it tears?

Hi Seb

If you take hold of your leather hide and gently pull in both directions you'll find that it moves more on way than the other. You then cut the way it stretches the most, However if your just making jesses you shouldn't have to stretch the leather anyway, but if you are making anklets you should stretch the leather before you punch the holes for the eyelets.

Suggestions for length and width are, the jesses should be wide enough to go through your eyelets comfortably but not a loose fitting, and length should be what you feel comfortable with i prefer mine to just finish hanging about 3/4'' below my closed fist with my glove on.

Hope this helps

ATB Y.Griff

[Agapeace]

Great info, thanks!

[FilipinoFalconer]

how do the anklets come of and on? dang .. its hard when you don't have a mentor... (there are not much falconers in our country) [i still don't have a bird so don't get angry.. I'm trying to learn everything on equips and stuff(aside from training) before i get mine]

[Harris]

how do the anklets come of and on? dang .. its hard when you don't have a mentor... (there are not much falconers in our country) [i still don't have a bird so don't get angry.. I'm trying to learn everything on equips and stuff(aside from training) before i get mine]

Hi, the anklets are not designed to be taken off and are left on the bird. If they need to be replaced they are cut off. :D

[The Dog]

A fantastic thread, my appreciation to Harris on his input, very helpful indeed.

YIS D

[FilipinoFalconer]

Hi, the anklets are not designed to be taken off and are left on the bird. If they need to be replaced they are cut off. :D




thanks so much for
the info sir!!! really appreciate it

[Rongirao]

very nice thread sir! how about some hood making? but of course i want simple pattern because i am a newbie. :) again very nice i learned alot!

thanks so much for
the info sir!!! really appreciate it

hey sir! i am also filipino! :)

[LloydHillier]

Good stuff mate

[Steven James]

Why didn't I find this thread sooner, maybe attach it to the starter pack, that would be good. Thanks anyway.

[Jonny34]

Hay Simon what a great thread. I am a raw beginner in my researching stages and find this thread helpful and very informative. I am a long way off getting my first bird but i am excited to start making my own jessies and anklets. Thank you very much indeed. Atb. John.