best kite on the market ...... whats your opinion ??????????

[Matt]

hello you lot ...

so which make, model, size ect ect do you recomend . i have never actual trained a bird to the kite i cant wait to give it a go this season . but i have a few guestions i hope you might be able to answer for me?

is there another product that i can use other than the manifactuers for kite line it is way to dear and nothing like long enogh to realy test the fittnes of a good falcon in my opinion . (i might be wrong in yours)

i have 2 gyr/sakers males and a sakeret on order they will all be hack pen fitt on collection . im gona use them for bird clearance . so thats the criteria for the kite to get them to peak fittnes asap . i asume it will be a pritty big modle i will need to take the weight of the lure and the impact of the falcons strike ?

any tips, rigs , price guides ,manifactures ,ect would be realy helpfull or even a GOOD second hand set up would be considered.
all the best matty boy

[Woody1966]

sorry M8 but I can't advise you on how good it is, but there's one on Ebay at the moment.

Try this link Here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=90871&item=7159385 554&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)

[Falconry Equipment International]

MAtt IMHO,first of all why are you going tom kite your hawks if you want them suprememly fit????? I can assure you that as practitioner of this for about 10 yrs for gamehawking purposes & supplier of the widest reange of Kite eqt in the UK (http://www.falconersemporium.co.uk/kites.htm) you would not get your hawks nearly as fit as if you were just stooping them hard to the lure,, you will probably also have problems with motivation, you will also have to spend considerable amount ( ie mechanical winch, line etc etc) if you are going to kite 3 hawks without any previous experience.
On top of this you will also have to get a CAA licence (legal requirement if you are to fly the kite higher than 66m/ 200').
Sounds like an awful lot of hasle for use, for bird clearance. However if you are still convinced that this is the way to go for you, please feel free to pm me if I can be of any help
SJ

[PeregrinesUK]

i would deffinatly get a good reel powered if possible cause when the falcon grabs the lure at hight and pulls across the line and doesnt head down you need to wind in the line quick (it takes a long time even if you were to stay at 200') also invest in a good release mech that dont snag raptor box sell a good one (aint seen SJs but he will be able to advice you im sure he got a lot more experience than me!)..... ( when he says keeping the falcons fit at the landfill he means something to do all day and get him out the van been there done that really does help pass the day!!!!)

[Varmint]

12 ft dan Leigh Delta, just the rolls royce of kites!

[Falconry Equipment International]

12 ft dan Leigh Delta, just the rolls royce of kites! Have to agree with you there Varmint :wink: Won't comment on mine , but suffice to say we don't sell rubbish & we normally keep stock , including when we can get them Dan's kites that he makes especially to our requirments. alos meant to say on my posting our page is currently being updated and will have on- line paying facilities for all goods held ex stock. This should be completed by the weekend
regards
SJ

[PeregrinesUK]

i have a 6' dan leigh delta its excellent goes up in anything but not cheap and theres normally a good long wait also make sure you get a strong light weight line and a ultra light lure (possibly just crow wings) then you will be away!

[Gunther]

I'm looking for a good kite also but for the moments when there is not much wind. I have a HQ sunrise now and it goes only up when there is much wind.

[Varmint]

Try the plastic tubes? i think you can get them from northwoods and they are far more stable than balloons :lol:

[Falconry Equipment International]

Sounds interesting Varmint, Any pics?

[PeregrinesUK]

are they not on northwoods site they are in the new mag that came last week?

[BFC 007]

would deffinatly get a good reel powered if possible cause when the falcon grabs the lure at hight and pulls across the line and doesnt head down you need to wind in the line quick
you can also use a type of roller which you walk the line down with so theres no need to wind in,saves a lot of time

[PeregrinesUK]

thats how i tend to get the line kite down in a hurry run the line down or pull it in by hand gathering it up as i go. where can you get a roller from? any pics anywhere?

[BFC 007]

make one mate,piece of plastic tube with a piece of wood through the middle so it sticks out either end & the tube will act as the roller
what kite do people recommend for nil to light winds? :roll:

[PeregrinesUK]

the 6' dan leigh with a really fine line goes up will in almost nothing aslong as the rest of the rig is light weight as well raptor origioals sell a good little lure for use on the kite its about size of a d.o.c and weighs nothing --- did anyone ever try a kit-loon the kite balloon hybrid that was in the ibr directory a few years back?

[Coedhirion]

I use a 12ft delta in light winds and 8ft for strong Welsh hill winds. Fix a drogue to the tail (see kite in difficult conditions...thanks HM )... As a winch, I just use an electric fence reel with a brake, which is either attached to a handy fence or against a screw in dog spike. Then peg the line thro a second dog spike to a burried pin with small ring. This set up means that when the bird comes down the kite string it lands well away from a collision with the reel. Walk the kite down to put the lure on etc with a simple ring with leather handle attached. Dont recomend you try pulling it in by hand, it will rip or burn your hands, even through a glove if the wind is even slightly strong. If you winch it in mechanically make sure you go slow or you break either kite or line :roll: :lol:

[Matt]

this is great stuff thanks lads . dont stop im taking it all in .
sj its intresting what you said about hard stooping to the lure getting the bird fitter. i would have agreed with that my self it was just that i have been told by so manny people for so long about the beauty of kites that i started to think i was missing somthing out of my training.
all the best matt

[Falconry Equipment International]

this is great stuff thanks lads . dont stop im taking it all in .
sj its intresting what you said about hard stooping to the lure getting the bird fitter. i would have agreed with that my self it was just that i have been told by so manny people for so long about the beauty of kites that i started to think i was missing somthing out of my training.
all the best matt
Matt if I tell you that I don't want my gamehawks too fit does that make sense? ie I want them to be able to fly up to 500/ 1000' etc , but then most of their flying is over apart from the stoop. I have seen really fit hawks making pitch, check getting up and they go off tail chasing 2-3 miles etc & then kill on top of this :x Bad news , so therefore I use stooping to the lure ( but not suggesting you do as you are wanting something quite different to me)as part of their early training to a) physically get them fit to a reasonable level & b) psychologically if the have had to work hard stooping to the lure, then hooded , left for an hour or so then flown to the kite, making sure the kite flight is a lot easier than the stooping flight, plus they get a much greater reward for doing this and are fed up after having done this, the idea is to teach them it is a lot easier going up, than putting in stoop after stoop.
This is the idea, however things do not always work out like this. hope this makes sense :wink:

[Matt]

yes it does make sence .
i have just come off the phone to a guy all ready doing bird clearance and a potential employer . he has left me thinking that land fill work is may be not for me as urban clearance is much more up and comming and a hell of alot more intresting . im a long wing fann through and through but i have been left thinking that harris hawks are more the tools i need for this sort of work.
any body that has hands on experiance of eath or both types of work .can they please disscus this on this thread as im not sure what to think and what to do next in turms of types of bird and what to expect.
all the best matt

[RabbitHawker]

Dan Leigh's kites are the best around, put him into your search engine and you should find out suppliers.