Gos - which collections have them?

[Debbie]

Hello All,

I saw my first Gos at the weekend when I helped a friend collect his - I did not realise they were so huge :o

Got me thinking as to why not many collections have them or none that I have been to. I have been to Eagle Heights and I must admit I was so taken with their Kestrel there that I may have missed a Gos

On chatting with Saker Sucker he seems to think that Eagle Heights has one and maybe also a centre Kirkby Wisk near Thirsk?

I have been to Eagle Heights and I must admit I was so taken with their Kestrel and a few others that I may have missed the Gos :oops:

My query is every centre has most birds and with Gos's being a very commonly owned bird in the falconry world and also a native species of the UK why do not more centres have them on show?

Any thoughts?

Debbie

[Saker-Clive]

www.northernfalconry.co.uk/for_sale.htm

[Saker-Clive]

http://www.falconrycentre.co.uk/index.html

they don't have Gos but they have a new pair of Osprey's

[OutFlying]

A goshawk is nervous and jumpy even when well manned when placed in such an enviorment, an imprint would not be bothered but why use such a hawk in a center ? Fly them at quarry - yes, let people stare at them - no.

[M & J Raptors]

Most of these Gosses are imprints, and are used to being around 1000s of joe public,

[Shaun Byrne]

It would be like keeping an F1 car in your garage :D

[Kevin Massey]

It would be like keeping an F1 car in your garage :D

or even peter andre going to bed and sucking his thumb :lol:

[Debbie]

It would be like keeping an F1 car in your garage :D

Why is this bird viewed so differently to every other bird in the Raptor world.

No disrespect to those that keep Gos's as I know loads of members on this forum own them and they are lovely birds and I have the odd video all about them but why are they more special than say any other bird?

I myself think every Raptor is so truly wonderous and amazing in their own right.

I know Gos's just keep on going and don't give up and hit quarry like a hammer which is great but is there more or is it just preference?

Debbie

[OutFlying]

Debbie have you seen a spar in a center ? These species are the most nervous of all hawks and don't make good center hawks, as I said it will need to be an imprint to handle the center life and what sort of life would it be ?

Jim.

[Ian Wileman]

Debbie what sort of life would it be ?

Jim.

Better than the one the 'Sick Saker' was having I dont doubt.

[OutFlying]

:shock:

[Varmint]

Well Debbie i can tell you from personal experience, that although an imprint Gos can be very steady when brought up in these environments, the relationship built with such a bird precludes it just being picked up and handled by a number of people, this makes it an awkward bird to deal with in such a busy environment.

Personally, although i have owned and flown several, they are better suited, and much happier doing what they do best!

Slaughtering stuff!

[OutFlying]

agreed

[Debbie]

Debbie have you seen a spar in a center ? These species are the most nervous of all hawks and don't make good center hawks, as I said it will need to be an imprint to handle the center life and what sort of life would it be ?

Jim.

Hi Jim,

Yeah I have seen many Spar's (Sparrowhawk) in centres and have seen them in displays also at centre's and at fairs etc. As you say probably imprints and again as you say an imprint Gos would not have a problem so getting past that point which has been made many times now.

I still have not got a good enough reason why a Gos (imprint) these native British birds are not seen in many BOP collections.

If anything an imprint Gos would be a fabulous addition to a centre and even to displays.

And with so many people buying them to keep for themselves I just feel this is a very great shame.

I guess it is just one of those little annomilies as each collection can't have everything I guess.

Debbie

[Debbie]

Well Debbie i can tell you from personal experience, that although an imprint Gos can be very steady when brought up in these environments, the relationship built with such a bird precludes it just being picked up and handled by a number of people, this makes it an awkward bird to deal with in such a busy environment.

Personally, although i have owned and flown several, they are better suited, and much happier doing what they do best!

Slaughtering stuff!

Hi Adrian,

Good points but many centres own birds which can be only flown by one or two members of the falconry team rather than by all of them.

My mate has a Cocatoo which if her husband goes in the same room as it she will fly and try and remove his eyes - trust me when I say he is not under his wife's thumb but under the birds :lol:

I still thinks its a great shame that these native magnificent birds are not in more collections for more to see and appreciate.

We have apparently one pair in the New Forest so it will be alittle while until we see then flying wild in our neck of the woods :(

Just one of those things I guess :)

Thank you all.

Debbie

[Goran]

I think it is the same like with my dogs.I breed Jagdterriers and they go only to serious hunters.It is like placing a loaded gun on the table and all sorts of people walking around.

[RabbitHawker]

An imprint gos would be fine in a centre if reared properley, but this is a very labour intensive process, which needs to be maintained by regular daily contact of maybe an hour a day plus, a luxury that many centres could not afford, if I'd put that much into a bird I wouldn't risk getting it spoiled but an ignorant member of the public.
A friend had a fantastic imprint gos that was as well manned as any Harris, you could paly with it's food on the fist etc, but it was a member of the family, and travelled unhooded on a perch on the passanger side of the car, one gos I would have loved to fly myself.
Chris

[Jastreb]

I drive my imprint female next to me in the car, she enjoys that-that's pic from last season! :D

[Moritz]

I think Tom Graham from Nothernfalconry has got some Goshawks in his center. The public can see them and he uses them for hunting. I think they are all imprints.

Moritz

[Tim Laycock]

The only people who realy derive a great deal of pleasure from studying/watching Goshawks are Austringers.

I realise the above statement is a bit sweeping, But what Im trying to say is that the average member of the public would appreciate a Goshawk flying/at rest just the same as they would a Harris Hawk, No more.
For this reason most centres don't bother with keeping Goshawks as it is a good deal more effort for no extra return.

If there was a centre that catered purely for falconers, The keeping of Goshawks would be mandatory!!!
Unfortunatly I cant see much profit being derived from this and as such, Can never envisage it happening :(

Just my view :D

Are you going to let her sit around like that in your mew motor Jastreb :shock: :lol:

[OutFlying]

mew (mews ) motor - was that a delibrate typing error BB - either way good one. :lol:

Gos sh*t the hardest substance known to man to clean off a car door trim.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

:oops: :roll: :lol:

Just like spar **** :lol: But spars have a much longer range dont they :mrgreen:

[OutFlying]

white leather trim is the future :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Funny you should say so!
My new motor has exactly that :lol: 8)

[OutFlying]

best take the furry dice off the mirror, they won't be easy to clean.

[Tim Laycock]

I know, dry clean only :roll: :lol:

[Jastreb]

BB yeeeeeeep, shes my girlie and she gave me two beautiful chicks-SO LET BABY ***** AROUND!-my girlfriend hate when I said girlie to my gossie, but who cares :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen:!

[Tim Laycock]

Too right Jastreb mate!!! :supz: :mrgreen:

[M & J Raptors]

BB yeeeeeeep, shes my girlie and she gave me two beautiful chicks-SO LET BABY ***** AROUND!-my girlfriend hate when I said girlie to my gossie, but who cares :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen:!


Jastreb

Are you saying that you bred from the young female ? if so did you get gos semen ok ?

[Goran]

When in a hunting season all my birds and dogs are free in the car and ready to go at any time.Like a giant hood on wheels.My new male gos, born 15. May, is just ready to start taking rides with me every day to work.

[Jastreb]

BC yes from first year gos imprint female. I get semen from one friend of mine, she start turn to me on the perch so I put her in aviary and TWO YOUNG GOSSES ARE HERE! :supz:

[M & J Raptors]

BC yes from first year gos imprint female. I get semen from one friend of mine, she start turn to me on the perch so I put her in aviary and TWO YOUNG GOSSES ARE HERE! :supz:

Well done Jastreb, did you let her sit the eggs, and hatch.

[Jastreb]

All the things, she was very good!

[Falcon]

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