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Wilfred
03-06-2005, 07:47 AM
so the regular falconry equipment we all know and this is offered by a lot of falconry equipment manufacturers/sellers.
But what about the non/regular or special falconry equipment. I mean, the equipment that is used in only some countries. Or only by some falconers, being invented or created by them and interesting for other falconers to know. Or the special products of suppliers of falconry equipment.
Think it is interesting to mention them here also.
IAmTheWeasel
03-06-2005, 03:17 PM
Anybody use a Halsband?
Moritz
03-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Ali uses them for his goshawks.
Moritz
Wilfred
21-08-2005, 10:46 AM
oh yes i would like to see some pictures or discriptions from mounting a bell around the neck of the bird of prey...and advantages this might have or disadvantages...any member uses them and can make some pictures?
Falcon
21-08-2005, 11:00 AM
Good idea Wilfred, yeah post some pics of things and talk about how and why they are used, i'm certainly interested.
Afshimo
21-08-2005, 04:35 PM
I'd like to find out about the gloves arabs use, managla?
Thx!
Hannah
Wilfred
21-08-2005, 04:52 PM
yes hanah that also good idea! actually i got the same yesterday...i want to have a mangala ( i think that is the correct name) still but was wondering which is the best practically speaking since i know they are made from several different materials like silk and leather and so. Some people from lahore here on the forum will have or sell mangala so maybe they could post some nice pictures and tell about advantages or disadvantages of the several materials.
What i myself would consider very interesting is to receive some pattern for making a mangala (?) myself!
Hi everyone,
here are few pics of goshawks with Halsbands (Jangoolis) is also the same as Halsband, its an old indian and persian method which is applied on hawks. and as far as manglas are concerned i got them and if anyone is intrested i can get them custom made as well, though you never got in touch Wilfred.
Regards,
Ali
Falcon
21-08-2005, 07:50 PM
Well done Ali, very nice pics as well
Turumti
21-08-2005, 09:44 PM
Some recnt pics of a Goshawk with a Halsband, which in in known in India and Pakistan as a "Jangoli"
goodness that looks dangerous what is the purpose of that?
Turumti
22-08-2005, 07:14 AM
What looks dangerous, my friend?
the thing around the neck mate, what is it and why do you use it? this is not a dig i genuinely dont know.
Kornie
22-08-2005, 09:22 AM
How about BBs jess/anklet system, I cant remember what e caled it but I would class that as specialist?
Wilfred
22-08-2005, 10:20 AM
How about BBs jess/anklet system, I cant remember what e caled it but I would class that as specialist?
well i do not know what you mean by BB and jess/anklet system....could you describe?
and i would be interested a lot in picture of jangoli's (the halsband) without BOP. And what materials it is made from and so?
I did not respond yet about mangla's because i first want some more info about them and so regarding materials and so on and im just not in a hurry having one but want one sometime.
Moritz
22-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Hi,
the wing guard lokks very smart. Could you post some pics of it when it is unfolded and not on the bird? What is it made of?
Thx
Moritz
Afshimo
22-08-2005, 12:06 PM
I think westweald sells mangala's?
BB as in Bullet system? I have the bullet system where its just looped onto a swivel then onto a loop leash. Means you can clean as stuff gets dirty or replace bits without replacing the whole thing.
Turumti
22-08-2005, 12:36 PM
Dear Moritz,
This is not actually a wing guard, rather its a type of restraint - a brail of sorts, rather like a straight jacket, which used in conjunction with a tail guard to prevent a newly caught from bating and breaking its feathers.
Both the straight jacket and the tail gaurd are tailored from cotton fabric. As with any kind of dress, the fit is very important.
Regards,
Salman Ali
Moses
22-08-2005, 12:46 PM
very nice pics turumti bros and ali i seen your pics anyway, awesome stuff :)
man the pakistani goshawks r different :D r they just called asian goshawks r is their a special name for them, their darker and have saker type patterns in front, very nice, aint see one for yrs
Kornie
22-08-2005, 12:51 PM
bullet system where its just looped
No, I meant the member blackbird. Im not sure but he has a different way of applying anklets and jesses that he is using on Ros. his Gos.
Nice pics Salman.
Regards,
Ali
Moritz
22-08-2005, 05:25 PM
Hi,
that sounds like a good pice of equipment. Could you post some more pics? And tell me how to make one? Could some one sell me one of them?
Thx
Moritz
IAmTheWeasel
22-08-2005, 06:37 PM
The cord around the neck is what is called the halsband. The white sheet that is wrapped around the wings is what we sometimes call an Abba restaint. That prevents bating. The pupose of a halsband is for the falconer to better launch his bird from the fist by pulling down on the cord prior to launch so the bird is in a leaned forward position and will not fall backwards when thrown at quarry.....Fluff chucking......
Moses
22-08-2005, 07:02 PM
The cord around the neck is what is called the halsband. The white sheet that is wrapped around the wings is what we sometimes call an Abba restaint. That prevents bating. The pupose of a halsband is for the falconer to better launch his bird from the fist by pulling down on the cord prior to launch so the bird is in a leaned forward position and will not fall backwards when thrown at quarry.....Fluff chucking......
mate that sounds a mighty good idea for manning a wild young bird to wrap its wings so it wont bait
awesome stuff
never thought of that one before.
im just thinking if a falconer is too busy talking to someone and slips his bird but forgets to go of the jangoli, he will be playing hang em high clint eastwood style with his birdie :D ayee ayee aaa waaa waa waaa ayee ayee aaa wa wa wa :D
u mind the music good bad and ugly :D
tena tena teoo tena tena teoo te teooo :D
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~watakoh/image/movie/hang'em_high.jpg
IAmTheWeasel
22-08-2005, 07:13 PM
..........and I thought I had too much time on my hands..... :lol:
Moses
22-08-2005, 07:17 PM
..........and I thought I had too much time on my hands..... :lol:
:lol: hahaha :D i used to be clint eastwood when i was a wee boy :D and my cousin was the other guy lee van cleef :D
man just dont know , i bet their r some falconers who must break some hawks necks by using the jangoli :D
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Lee%20Van%20Cleef.jpg
CoopLover
18-06-2009, 08:51 AM
man just dont know , i bet their r some falconers who must break some hawks necks by using the jangoli :D
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Lee%20Van%20Cleef.jpg
To my knowledge when using a jangoli, the hawk is held on the fist (crouching) while the falconer wraps the end of his or her jacket or shirt or robe around the front of his or her body and covering the hawks view at the same time. This is to prevent the hawk from bating and hanging itself. When quarry is flushed, the hawk is cast off the fist while the other hand is dropping the end of the jacket so the hawk can finally see the quarry and take the slip.
I understand that this method is used to fill the pot, and it is designed to be effective, rather than sporting. The idea is to induce more muggings rather than long tail chases. Without the help of telemetry, muggings are certainly the way to go when you are trying to bring home the game as a means of putting dinner on the table. Also with shorter flights the hawk can take more slips and potentially bring to book more game than a haw3k that is flown in a style that promotes longer chases.
My concern has always been that the end of the jangoli will catch on a branch or something while the hawk is in cover, thus I have never tried it (only read everything I could, + interviews). But again, I think we are looking at a difference of hunting styles here. I think that the jangoli is used more when flying in rather open plains / desert and agricultural areas rather than on the edges of thick woods and other cover.
I would love to hear more from Turimiti and the others on the forum who have had real experiance using the jangoli. Their first hand knowledge would be way better than my purely academic understanding of the jangoli. :supz: Come on guys and gals, bring on the first hand accounts and stories!
good hawking
Turumti
18-06-2009, 04:35 PM
The working jangoli is made from a from strip of leather which is oiled and stretched to make it waterproof and to keep it supple. It does not snag on thorns and the like. The ceremonial jangoli is either made from brightly coloured cotton and /or silk cords which are tightly braided and then waxed to make the make waterproof and also to prevent them from snagging on thorns. I have never used a braided jangoli, as I prefer the simper leather jangoli, but to be honest, I have never seen braided jangolis snagging on thorns either.
CoopLover
19-06-2009, 12:48 AM
The working jangoli is made from a from strip of leather which is oiled and stretched to make it waterproof and to keep it supple. It does not snag on thorns and the like. The ceremonial jangoli is either made from brightly coloured cotton and /or silk cords which are tightly braided and then waxed to make the make waterproof and also to prevent them from snagging on thorns. I have never used a braided jangoli, as I prefer the simper leather jangoli, but to be honest, I have never seen braided jangolis snagging on thorns either.
Ok Turimiti, I get it now. That was a great description :supz:. I have seen bells attached to the jangoli as well (in photos), and I was wondering if there is a particular method of attaching them to the jangoli? It looks to me like the bell acts as the stopper that prevents the "noose" from tightening past the point where it is comfortable for the hawk. Is this correct? How long is the average jangoli that is used with goshawks?
I think I definiatly have to try one on my next accipiter.
Also, we were talking about the special abba used to brail freshly trapped gos, and when I came to this thread I noticed there were pictures of them on a brown bird sitting on the cot like you described in the other thread. the cot is called a chapoi, correct? I was thinking about the pictures of gos tied to the chapoi by their leashes that I have seen and I was wondering if the leash went through the tail in a similar way to the Meng perch used in the US (and elswhere ?)when the hawk jumped to the ground? Because the Meng perches do not seem to damage the tails of the hawks that are tied to them, and the height of a chapoi (hope this is the right word) seems to be similar to the height of the Meng so I am thinking the same effect is likely. What is your estimation?
The guy here that used the abba method with a coop just put it in a elastic sock with a hole cut out for the head. I am thinking that the abba shown in the pictures would be far supirior. Do you think there is a way you could give us a description of how to make one like the one shown in the pics, and how to put one on a bird?
This has been a facinating thread :supz: I am lovin it!
Great hawkin y'all
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