FLAME....

[Cyclone]

I have been given charge of a redtail that was caught up,jessed up on wednesday,it is a year old and has been in with its parents..................................
I walked around the weatherings and there it sat..(dunno if its a male or female yet)(weight 2lb 6) its mouth and wings wide open and its hackles right up,as it stared at me i went into pick it up and it bated away,hung upside down for a minute....then he/she got up on the fist of his/hers own accord!a day out the avairy! and -flame sat on the fist boggle eyed and full threat stance....bloody hell its feet are massive!.I then took flame back to my house
FRIDAY-woke up at 10 and went straight out and once agaian flame bated away and sat on the fist full threat stance,i offered her a rabbit leg but she wouldnt move her head from my facestaring at me with her grey eyes from under her brow,i manned her for 2 hours and come to write this ..............no i am going to man her and hopes feed on the fist!!

cyclone

[Darren]

take it easy & remember the bird might not feed for a few days on your fist, just persevere with it

[Goldie]

Reds are notorious for going a while without feeding on the glove for the first time so don't be concerned.
Assuming it is not thin then it is without doubt a male. Keep us posted with your progress.

[IAmTheWeasel]

My second RT took 5 days to eat off the fist. At 38 ounces, it is hard to tell if it is M or F, but by your accounts of it's huge feet, I would say it's female. The best way to tell is to look at the head structure and distance between the upper and lower Mandibles. The females generally have a thicker and longer beak than the males do. The more manning the better in my opinion. Get it used to everything you can such as cars, other people, dogs etc....and good luck!

[Ben C]

Don't stare at it either!

[Goldie]

Weasel, I wouldn't take the "huge feet" part too serious at present as Cyclone is 14 and may not have the knowlege to differentiate between male and female. However the 2lb.6 fat weight out of aviery suggests it is a male.


Cyclone, your previous posts on other threads you claim :-
13th May, you have been given a Canadian GHO 7wks old to train
21st May, you have been given a RT out of aviery 7mths old to train
And today you have been given a RT out of aviery 1yr old
Would you care to tell us a little bit more of your experience with BOP as
i for one would hate to waste my time giving advice to a fictional falconer.
On the other hand if you are genuine, i and others on this forum will gladly give you all the help we can

[Adam Barrett]

Very observante goldie my mate :wink:

[Cyclone]

kk,sorry if i aint introduced meself proberly,i am 14 years of age and i hav been doing volentree work at rosliston forestry centre for 2 years and they give me birds to train up and i du that,previsouly i went on a course at kielder bird of prey centre. over the past 2 months i have helped with the training of those birds except sorry for the mistake the 7month old red is actually the bird i have got now,i was told wrong,i apolgise. when i recieve these birds i always just like to ask for other peoples tips/opinoins
I am sorry if i havint made this clear..
I also own a male saker falcon who is four years old..he is my own bird and all the other birds arnt mine i just train them up for the head falconer at the centre
i is sorry for any confusion

cyclone

[BrianM]

oh what a dangled web we weave
when we practice to deceive

[Ben C]

Clown666 anyone............................................ .................

[Will]

Don't know why you're smirking Ben, it's down to the likes of you and Wileman! Bring back the birch! :)

[BrianM]

i got the belt a school and it didnt do me any harm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,twitch twitch........

[Ben C]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH BABAY,,,,,,SWISH SWISH.

[Cyclone]

by the way,you told me to update you with her progress,she ate of the fist at last at around half 8,dint give her mch cuz i wanna make progress with her tomorrow
cyclone

[Ben C]

Well done lad, keep it going and get some pictures posted. :) :) :) :)

[Barn Owl]

I can vouch for Cyclone, I work with him at Rosliston Forestry Centre, yep he does have a Saker and does man up all sorts of birds for the head falconer there, including Great Horned Owl and the Redtail.

[Goldie]

That will do for me Bob.
His previous postings were a bit dubious, but the lad cleared up the confusion with his post last night.

[Cyclone]

hey all,just bin spending time with da bird and now flme is jumping full leash length,he is a bit sticky footed,he is catching on amazing,well smarter than me,he is vocal though when he feeds on the fist etc
cyclone

[Goldie]

what weight is the bird down to now Cyclone?

[Darren]

what do you mean by vocal when on he fist....screaming or just twitering on.

[Cyclone]

he is at 2lb 4 and when i walk past him on the lawn when hes pegged out or when i am gettin him to fly/jump he screams at me constantly he is also sticky footed ..........i hope he isnt imprinting on to me....
cheers cyclone

[Hawkmaster]

Sorry not read the complete thread but are you sure it is a HE and not a very hungry SHE?

[BrianM]

yep 2lb 4oz is a little heavy for a male

[Cyclone]

when he/she come out the avairy last wed flame was 2lb 6/7,she is very sticky footed at the minute tho,like wise her weight is 2lb 4/5 today and she jumped full leash length nine times
cyclone

[Hawkmaster]

Ok how sharp is the breast bone? Some breeders have very thin birds and its weight may already be VERY low. I have seen and done this a few times and found the birds flies at a MUCH higher weight than when it came out of the avairy.

[Goldie]

yep 2lb 4oz is a little heavy for a male

and a lot lighter for a female :lol:
its still a he

[Cyclone]

v.good point Goldie,i think its a very large male,his feet were a shock after seeing male harris their v. large,im surprised how well he has come along for saying he was caught up a week ago
thanx cyclone

[Hawkmaster]

I have felt a female I later trained flew at 2lbs 3 1/4oz and amazingly was not dead. She flew at 2lbs 10.

[Goldie]

I have felt a female I later trained flew at 2lbs 3 1/4oz and amazingly was not dead. She flew at 2lbs 10.

HM, this post and your previous one are valid points however, Cyclone said in the initial post the bird was 1yr old and in with its parents. That would leave me to assume it would not be anything other than fat weight or near enough. As he also stated 2lb 6, again it would most likely be a male. Most males in the UK fly at between 2.2+2.5 with the females being in the region of 2.9+2.14 there are also a number well over 3lb.
These figures are based on the subspecies of RT generally available in the UK although there are around a dozen subspecies in the USA.

[Cyclone]

flame flew about 4 foot on line 2day at 2lb 3 and 3 quarters,he is realy vocal tho
cheers cyclone

[Cyclone]

me saying that he is vocal,i read in Nick Foxs book that they go thru a bulling phase,bulling their parents for food,but surley he cant be dion this bcause he was only caught up a week ago
cyclone