Lanners

[KowalKempl]

Hello everyone. I wonder if anyone of you has flown a tandem of lanners. I'd like to try it but want to know everything I can before I get the birds. Any suggestions are welcome.

[Little Joe]

Lanners are natural tandem hunters - they do it as a matter of course in the wild. You cant go wrong.

[KowalKempl]

I know that they hunt together in nature. As I said, I just want to know everything I can about the subject before I get the birds. Anyway, thanks for reply :)

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

Lanners are natural tandem hunters - they do it as a matter of course in the wild. You cant go wrong.

ive heard of many casts of males, the odd one of male+female but can you fly 2 females together?

[Little Joe]

ive heard of many casts of males, the odd one of male+female but can you fly 2 females together?

I've never flown any casts of any birds, and the only guys I know who flew casts worked with peregrines. So I really dont know.

Pairs of lanners in the wild hunt together very well, more so than peregrines, and guys fly peregrines together with great success, so I'd imagine a pair of lanners would be like a well oiled machine in no time.

But back to your question... why do you imagine 2 females might be a challenge?

[KowalKempl]

I've heard that birds from casts are also breeding well. Of course males and females ;) I've never thought about completing a cast from two birds of the same sex. What's the point of doing it this way?

[Little Joe]

I've heard that birds from casts are also breeding well. Of course males and females ;) I've never thought about completing a cast from two birds of the same sex. What's the point of doing it this way?

There is a different element in the game I think. Two tiercels edge eachother on - almost like competing and pushing eachother's limits higher all the time, whereas a pair will take on different roles.

I say again, I dont speak from experience, but I am very much interested in the subject. Hopefully the guru's will start joining the party soon and share their experience. :D

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

But back to your question... why do you imagine 2 females might be a challenge?
i just wondered if there would be a problem as ive never heard of two females being flow together, only males.

[John Dumbar]

Hi. I'm glad to see othe pole on ff.
Pozdrawiam i czekam na rozwiniecie watku.

[Phoenix 1]

i just wondered if there would be a problem as ive never heard of two females being flow together, only males.
Ive been wondering about the fact that people have a tendancy to fly lannerets in a cast but not lanners or males and females together and is there any reasoning behind it?

[Tony James]

Lanners are natural tandem hunters - they do it as a matter of course in the wild. You cant go wrong.

How does that work? Does the one at the back of the tandem pedal harder that the one at the front, so the one at the front can concentrate on it's footing?
And the quarry? Small mopeds?:lol:

Seriously, lanners fly happily in a cast made of the same, or opposite sex in my experience. They are also quite happy flying in the company of luggers. USUAL PRECAUTIONS APPLY.

Regarding casts of falcons, just think of the Loo Hawking Club and the casts of falcons flown at herons --- not a quarry for tiercels I think.
Or past efforts with a cast of tiercels at small gulls.

And merlins. Two merlins, two jacks, or one of each --- no difference really.

For most falconers a cast is too much to manage, but if you always hawk in company, and you have the right conditions to make it work, it adds an interesting element to falconry.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[FalconGriff]

Way way back I used to hunt a cast (male and female) at magpies in the stone wall country of Darbyshire. Good fun but for whatever reason I can't remember catching stacks of Magies! The male seemed to to most of the hunting but female always seemed to end up with the Magpie. It was ever thus isn't it chaps!

[Little Joe]

Way way back I used to hunt a cast (male and female) at magpies in the stone wall country of Darbyshire. Good fun but for whatever reason I can't remember catching stacks of Magies! The male seemed to to most of the hunting but female always seemed to end up with the Magpie. It was ever thus isn't it chaps!

Sound about right.... :roll:

Tell you what, I'd love to one day when I grow up fly a cast of lanners where one is a seasoned, repeatedly intermewed eyass and the other is a first year parent reared eyass just being entered. Make the "haggard" eyass a male (not a tiercel!) and the youngster a female, and you have a game on your hands... :D

PS: How's my phraseology coming on, Tony??? :wink:

[Tony James]

Sound about right.... :roll:

Tell you what, I'd love to one day when I grow up fly a cast of lanners where one is a seasoned, repeatedly intermewed eyass and the other is a first year parent reared eyass just being entered. Make the "haggard" eyass a male (not a tiercel!) and the youngster a female, and you have a game on your hands... :D

PS: How's my phraseology coming on, Tony??? :wink:


Together Jannes, we make a right Tandem:lol:

[Little Joe]

How does that work? Does the one at the back of the tandem pedal harder that the one at the front, so the one at the front can concentrate on it's footing?
And the quarry? Small mopeds?:lol:

Tony.

As you know Tony, I am still learning the lingo...;)

I havent come to mopeds yet, I'm only at H and I (haggard and intermewed eyass) in the falconry dictionary now.
I assume "moped" and not "moped" would be the singular form of "mopeds"? :D

[KowalKempl]

I'm interressted in one more thing. Is there any possibility, that one or both falcons from the cast can start sitting? And if they do, how to repair it?
Również pozdrawiam :)

[Little Joe]

I'm interressted in one more thing. Is there any possibility, that one or both falcons from the cast can start sitting? And if they do, how to repair it?
Również pozdrawiam :)

Jip! That would be the female.....:lol:

[FalconGriff]

I'm interressted in one more thing. Is there any possibility, that one or both falcons from the cast can start sitting? And if they do, how to repair it?
Również pozdrawiam :)

With my pair I remember this often happened that the female would sit, but watching and she seemed to know when to take wing, as I said earlier once the male had the magpie under pressure she would fly and end up with the kill.

[KowalKempl]

Jip! That would be the female.....:lol:

That's for sure mate ;)

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Gary stafford, my mentor and uncle was best known for his casts of af peregrine tiercels and flew birds known to the zfc as stan & dan, rastus & festus and i helped him with astrix & oblix. If flew rastus for 9seasons before meeting a very sad end. I know he tried flying his lanneret, magnum 3yr old passage, with an eyeas but moved on to peregrines shortly after that. From my experiences you always end up with one bird that works harder for the quarry and i found that it was the smaller, even if of same sex, and the larger although also made kills never performed as well as the smaller of the two. I prefered a cast of peregrine tiercels and hope to try in the next few years when the time is right. Imo the best way to take up a cast is to remove them from the cb chambers 21 - 30 days and socially imprint them in the same crate, sharing the meal and incorperateing them into your everyday life. Teach them the glove, lure and hooding from an early age so that they are almost imprinted on them. If one has the facilities i would suggest the tame hack and I have always had more success with the lannerets and found the falcons to be more opestunitic, and suppose that if flown in a cast the falcon would most always take the back seat as it involves less work. In this respect i would think that it could act as part of some courtship leading up to breeding. I fly a pr of rock kestrels in a cast for display in the hope of securing a strong bond for future breeding and dont see why it wont work in lanners! I know ron hartley used to fly casts of peregrines and one would be older and called the 'make hawk' and often he prefered the falcon and tiercel route. Rudi geisewine also flew many great casts and i'm sure they included lanners. I would still prefer to fly casts of tiercels but think that if one intended to breed then i think it would help.

good hawking

dylan