Training a parent reared eyass Gos..start to finnish

[Gaz]

How would you:
What age to collect :?:
What to do after collection :?:
How to man :?:
How to train :?:
Would you hood :?:
Make to the lure :?:
When to enter,& what to enter on :?:

[PeregrinesUK]

after the gos is jumping from the perch to the fist fly him glove to glove will make for a much better more responsive bird that also goes for everything owls to eagles( in my opinion) . Age to get approx 10 weeks old , i would make him to the lure (dont over do it at the early stages)
enter on your most abbundant quarry species, confidence and conditioning is everything with a goshawk dont just starve it and expect it to kill everything it dont work that way!

[M & J Raptors]

Gaz

Save all that ****, get an imprint :supz:

[OutFlying]

http://www.intfalconer.com/back_issues/4article.html

[GoneHawking]

Jim that was a great article, I will be looking at that again hopefully with the new Gos, (if mick can supply one) :lol:

[Wightwings]

great article Jim. Will find that usefull in about 8 or so weeks.......OOHHHH YEEEE. cant wait.

will also be hoping to see many more areas of advise on this thread from some of you very experienced Gos Hawkers on here. this is what this forum is all about :D

[OutFlying]

introduce the dog early, whilst first feeding on the glove. Don't wait to introduce them when you want to start hunting.

[HawkNorth]

anybody start earlier than ten say seven or eight weeks

[OutFlying]

9 weeks for a male. 10 weeks female.

[HawkNorth]

OF im waiting on a male my first gos

nine weeks is that rigid

[OutFlying]

at nine weeks it will be definitely hard penned, any earlier than this then there still may be blood in the feathers.

OF.

[HawkNorth]

OF is it posible to work with a brancher

[Kevin Massey]

i cant get the link to work bud

kev

[OutFlying]

OF is it posible to work with a brancher

I never tried it, good chance of it being vocal and things going wrong - it won't ever be as tame as a social imprint so what advantage over a normal p/r 9 week old male gos will there be ? What do you aim to gain by taking it early ? The weather will be hot, the gos appetite will be poor, cover will be very high etc etc etc.

OF.

[HawkNorth]

thanks again OF makes sence just looking for ideas give the bird best chance no another hawker used seven weeks for his female i flew the female my self for a day was as tame as my harris wonder if anybody else does it

[OutFlying]

HawkNorth,
The parent reared males I've flown were taken at 9 weeks old, both tame and steady. If you get a gos train and man it correctly it will turn out as tame as a harrishawk - it is a myth that a gos is "mental" or other usual sterotypes trotted out. Get it at 9 weeks, man and train it then get out hunting successfully with it - You shouldn't have any more problems than any other hawks if you handling / skill techniques are sound. Slack handling practices and poor weight control will soon be found out.

Yours OF.

[HawkNorth]

what flying weights and what quarry OF

[OutFlying]

p/r finnish males (2-2, 2-3 out the avairy),second season weights 1-14 1/2 going up but both killled in November. Pheasants, ducks and partridge.

OF.

[HawkNorth]

from manning to entering what weights and in what time frames if thats not to personal.how were they killed OF

[OutFlying]

Usually free flying and entered in 2 weeks. Both lost to sheep netting.

[HawkNorth]

to be avoided sheep netting though never heard of it OF

[OutFlying]

sheep netting - the square wire fencing used on most farms with sheep.

[HawkNorth]

OF yes get u now phesants like it

similar method to training harris

[OutFlying]

OF yes get u now phesants like it

similar method to training harris

Nothing to do with pheasants liking it, more to do with the gos flying very low when in pursuit before rising to take it from below - the gos is more focused on the pheasant than the hazards in front. Most times the gos will climb and miss the fence or fold its wings and fly straight through the fence but when it forgets to do either than **** can and will happen.

Yours OF.

[HawkNorth]

my male hand me down harris closed up on a phesant cock bird flying parallel to the wire which done a 90 degree straight through my male just slammed into the wire my female harris done something similar the only difference being she had a hand full of feathers but was still out of sorts for a few weeks

[Gaz]

fold its wings and fly straight through the fence
Ba#####s :!: ..do it on purpose.. :!: ...sh#t stains in the shreddys or what :twisted: :finga:

[Gaz]

Slack handling practices and poor weight control will soon be found out
:finga: AMEN

[Gaz]

Whats your manning/training "program" Jim :?:

(remember the radio??hahaha!!..you know.."WHATS THE RECIPE TODAY JIM") :mrgreen:

[Kevin Massey]

ay lads and ladettes...i for one am waiting in anticipation for this topic to develope..... although i have nothing to add ( cos i know sweet f/a about trainning a goshawk)..... would no doubt add with some questions on the topic...

i hope it gets and keeps on track....its about time a decent topic was discussed and covered during the moult....

kev

[OutFlying]

Whats your manning/training "program" Jim :?:

(remember the radio??hahaha!!..you know.."WHATS THE RECIPE TODAY JIM") :mrgreen:

On first day record weight, fit equipment. Start training from the second day, place straight onto screen perch in dimly light mews (make sure it can regain perch if it bates). Pick up the gos on your fist with food in the glove, sit in deck chair, if it doesn't eat within 10 minutes replaced on screen perch - try again in a couple of hours. I limit the time on my glove to the minimal and never force the gos to endure my company. It will soon start to eat on the glove and then progress to jumping to the glove, creance etc. The gos will get plenty of manning whilst out hunting during the season 2-3 hours on the glove per day - whilst initial manning making the gos endure your company for hours on end sat on your glove is achieving little of benefit to the gos BUT might make you feel good. Yes this method might cause the gos to fly at a lower weight to enter etc but once catching regularly and successful the weight will come back quickly.

Yours OF.

[Kevin Massey]

On first day record weight, fit equipment.

Yours OF.

this is at 9 weeks old yes?

[OutFlying]

9 weeks male, 10 weeks female

[HawkNorth]

never used a screen perch are thy safer to use than bow perch

[OutFlying]

how many people do you know use a bow perch with a parent reared goshawk ? I don't know any. If your gos is in good health and condition the screen perch will present no problems.

OF.

[HawkNorth]

do i make one what size

[HawkNorth]

ok got the idea from the thread blocks and perchs

[Gaz]

What about introducing dogs etc Jim :?:

[OutFlying]

Gaz,
From day1, at a distance - then once feeding on the glove, I have the dog sitting by my side every time I handle the gos. Don't wait till its time to fly free or enter - this is too late and will prolong training unnecessary.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

this is too late and will prolong training unnecessary
And may turn out expensive if the gos decides to take exception and exit stage left!!! (It has been known!) :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[HawkNorth]

what size transport box for would u need female gos

HN.

[Sprout]

Have you got a picture of your screen perches?

[OutFlying]

I get a picture tomorrow, and measure the giant hood.

[Gaz]

So,its fed on the fist the first time,we got the pooch allways there from now on...what we doing next Jimbo :?:





(by the way Whitewings & Hawkwind,you"ll both be coming down to pick your males up the end of the month..feel free to contribute :roll: )

[Gaz]

:mrgreen:

[SakerYZF]

OK , been watching n reading , has anyone here done any carhawking with a p/r Gos? I've done plenty with harris hawks, if you have any advice plz do share :wink:

[OutFlying]

Done it with an imprint gos but not a parent reared one.

[SakerYZF]

What about age? Why 9 weeks (for a male)? Thats quite an age difference from what i was expecting.
Do you do any hunting with Ferrets? Sorry about all the questions, getting my first Gos this August and just want to gather as much info as i can :D
I did read an article on the International Falconers web site , on parent reared or was it passage goshawks, and i can't seem to access it, is there any chance somone has saved a copy on there computer?

[OutFlying]

No hunting with ferrets. At 9 weeks they are hard penned, fully grown and ready for training - in the wild they would have been flying 2 weeks earlier.

OF.

[SakerYZF]

What about that article on the IF site? Any ideas how i can get hold of it?
From what i read it made alot of sence.

[OutFlying]

http://www.intfalconer.com/back_issues/4article.html

[Finnish]

Hey Jim that link does not work for me mate :(
Have you got it right.

Lee

[OutFlying]

Always right Lee :lol: , I think the site is down at the moment. It's the same link as on page 1 of this thread - nothing new.

[Finnish]

O cheers mate seen that one already.

[GoneHawking]

Jim, Did you get any pictures of the screen perch? Do you start the training from the day you get the bird, or do you let it settle down for a week loose in the aviary, and then take it up and put it on the screen perch, I usually do that and with this weather being so hot it surely wouldn't hurt to give the new hawk a week or so to feed up on its own and settle into the new surroundings. What do you think?

[OutFlying]

Mark,
I haven't had time to take the pictures yet. I usually start from the day I pick the gos up, less stress than having to catch up again. Any extra weight put on will then only have to be taken off again.
Once the gos has been raised in an avairy and then introduced to the screen perch I don't think having it loose in 2 different avairies will affect how it behaves when first introduced.

Thats how I've always done it and how I was shown - it has worked well. I've no doubt that other methods work well but haven't used them so can't comment.

Jim.

[GoneHawking]

Jim, thanks for that mate, I will get it home, jess it up etc and then straight onto the screen, have you ever had any problems with them on the screen for the first time?

[OutFlying]

Make sure the gos can right itself, before leaving it unattended. Have you a copy of A Hawk for the Bush ? in it Jack M describes how he moves the screen out at an angle to the perch to aid in the hawks recovery to regained its upright perch. For the screen I use hessian cloth, very easy going on the talons and feathers, carpet for the perch covering. To tether I use a barbed stapel holding a chain repair link in the centre of the perch - to this I attach the the hawks swivel complete with mews jesses.

OF.

[SakerYZF]

Ain't it almost impossible to get hold of that book now? I've tried , saw one on ebay costing well over a ton, anyone got any ideas about getting hold if it? If not whats that new "training the short wings" like?

[Gaz]

Any ideas how i can get hold of it?
P.M. your addy and ill send you a couple

[Tim Laycock]

It has just been reprinted :D 8)

[GoneHawking]

Jim, cheers for the info, I will construct the screen that way, I used an A frame for the imprint Gos which obviously has sloped sides, as you say it aids the hawk in regaining the perch after a bate, luckily bates are minimal on this higher type of perch.

[GoneHawking]

Gaz, have you got the Gos yet? is so hows he going ?

[SakerYZF]

Ah right , sounds great ! Shame they don't reprint Mike Mcdermots book too , m8 of mine just paid 130quid for it on ebay :|

[GoneHawking]

I have a signed copy, cover slightly torn, but then its the content that counts, any offers??????

[Gaz]

:finga:

[SakerYZF]

Well how much where they new?, :D

[SakerYZF]

How much do you want for a copy of hawk for the bush then Gaz? :D

[GoneHawking]

signed copies of mike's Imprint accipiter book are fetching over £100 and Jack's A hawk for the bush will be about the same, unless its a first edition, then you need to start saving a little more.

[SakerYZF]

Collected my gos yesterday morning , he's a PR male German goshawk , a friend and I jessed him up and got a rough weight , he was 1lb 13 & 7/8ths, (with swivel and hood on) , not a bad weight!! I was expecting much less :) Im following the method printed in IF on PR goshawks.
Took him half a quail thismoring, he didn't bate till I was within ten yards of him and even then it wasn't manic, put down the food on his "plate" and left him to it, heard him tucking into it about 20mins later, so im assuming he isn't to scared to move, I'll do that for the next few weeks and as described slowly increase the my proximity as he’s eating.
I like the "creeping" into his life thing, sees a nice way of creating that positive bond
:lol:

[Mary Quite Contrary]

There must be more info on this.

[SakerYZF]

Right, well to update you all on his progress I am now sitting in the aviary with him as he eats, hes showing very little fear anymore and will eat within a foot of me , today once he'd finnished his food he jumped back onto his perch which is only half a foot from where im sitting , cocked his head to one side watched me for a few seconds then settled down! I'll do the same 2moz , if i get the same reaction i'll pick him up on Sat and feed him on the glove, i've got pics in the pipeline too!

[BFC 007]

hows the bird doing yzf?

[SakerYZF]

well, as i write this he's sitting on my fist, foot up and v relaxed:D, once i've got a spare hand free i'll type more!

[SakerYZF]

Right, well now I’ve put him to bed, I’ll explain how he’s been doing.
This last week has just been straight forward manning, lots of carrying around most of the time with food , he's still a little spooky of strangers and dogs but that will come I’m sure , I’ve been taking him out in the car whist he feeds , he's very calm in the car pays little attention to anything else which is great , I’ve been giving him as much food as he will attempt to eat in one sitting ( controlling quality not quantity, in relation to desire to feed) , its working well and can go for long walks and really get him used to me and being on the glove.
He’s getting calmer with me and as I said earlier he's quite happy on the glove without food and sits there quite relaxed.
I've not started any formal training as such, I want to establish his true weight (as he’s going up each day), he was at 1lb 6 and 3/8ths today he’s been climbing all week and I see no need to hold him at any weight as so long as he remains calm and eating lots, once he starts showing signs of being disinterested in his food I’ll "hold him " at a weight and then try establish his true flying weight.
His Imprinted brothers are apparently doing well 2 of them are at 1lb 7oz and one is 1lb 6 ¾ .
All up and onto 40 plus kills... think I’ll have to play catch up!

[Jackie]

is my maths **** but you have had him 6 weeks now is that right? what have you been doing with him all this time ? i was always under the impresion that get up feeding comeing to the fist free and killing asap.
do you think the slowly slowly aproch is workingf ?
i truly am fasinated..
tell us more.

[SakerYZF]

I’m following a method printed in International falconer, Basically describing how to use positive re enforcement to creep into the hawks life , as apposed to using the "I’ll starve you until you eat in front of me method", so when I got him he was just under 9 weeks old was jessed up and tethered in his aviary, from that day on I fed him at lib and of good quality ( quail rat etc) he was pretty weighty when he was taken from his parents , so it took a while for his weigh to come down, ( stress was causing him to lose weight) to a level where he would accept eating the food I brought him in front of me , so basically I never forced myself on him , I slowly increased the time and proximity each day until he was eating at my feet the second I threw down the food. The day I picked him up on the glove for the first time, he settled down and ate within minutes, after this I just continued until I could carry him around the aviary whilst eating then moved out side and started the more traditional manning side of things. I’m very pleased with how it's going and I’m glad I’ve taken it slowly and softly with him, the results will be worth the effort I’m sure. As for killing lots im sure the car conditioning will help with that, I’m making a big effort to never let him get upset in the car and only see the positive sides i.e. he gets fed in there and once he’s coming to the glove lure I’ll start showing him game out of the car window, once he’s made a good few kills I’m sure he’ll begin to see the benefits.
He’s being taken for lots of walks and is slowly getting used to every day life outside the aviary. I have a separate aviary outside my room which I’ve no moved him down too; again he gets to see more without it being too much for him.
These are not my own ideas I’m just following a recipe that I read and it made sense.
I hope the results are as good as the method suggests, if his manners now are anything to go by I’ve got a good feeling about him.

[OutFlying]

Each to there own methods, doubt very much it will change its true hunting weight. The method you describe might work, but I prefer to get the gos killing and then the real manning takes place at the same time as hunting, the bond between the fist and the place of success is truely wedded.

Most people with a gos make the mistake of not going low enough to start with, then stay to low for too long. The methods I've used have not affected the FINAL hunting weight adversely - never seen a stronger or heavier parent reared male than the ones I've flown.

OF.

[GoneHawking]

Jim

just flown mine loose at 1lb 8 3/4oz

Mark

[SakerYZF]

I totally agree with the weight thing OF, I’m not trying to make him fly any higher, but as he seems keen to eat and little bothered about things around him, I’d like to try at least having him as high as possible.
I've always gone for the getting the hawk out hunting early as poss. etc ,just liked the ideas behind this method , the only set back I’ve had is he was very overweight to start with I’ve made the assumption that in the method described the hawk was perhaps a wild caught one and not truly "fat". It has taken long than I anticipated so far but if I he turns out as the method describes I believe it’s worth the extra few weeks.

[BFC 007]

sakeryzf-had mine a week today & he came out at 2.1 & fed on the fist 48hrs later at 1.13 3/4. he is now jumping leash length at 1.13. all im doing is manning him up in the garden & house with dogs for very short periods during training time then he goes away to his own little home till the next day-seems to be working well this way :D

[Matt]

hi i can see what you are doing and if you keep a good record of avents it might be another way foward for some people?
the car training sounds ok but i would think a right hand glove and a good hood that stay put wile the braces are struck would have the same afect . i cant help thinking i would do it differantly .but i do take my hat of to you for following this throgh to the end . i know i would not have the patiance to follow this method.

like "of" points out the gos mentality alows for ferther manning trainig conditioning to ocour after entering as they are very one track minded when in hunting condition. there for tolerating alot more bissy enviroment and differant conditions ie cars ect .
all the guys thati know have gos hawks are allways trying to get there birds hunting and fast , the reason being that they need to get some of the focus of the bird on poative things (kills) before the bird will alow more complex bonding this is with imprints to . and seems maybe more important with them .
all the best matt
ps good for you i like a free thinker and realy do take my hat of to you for training your bird this way i hope it works well and you are a good team.

[SakerYZF]

Cheers mate means alot:) , the whole method seemed to make sense , I’ve done the "crash course training" as I like to call it a few times now , and I’ve not been disappointed but the idea of avoiding upsetting the hawk at all can only be a good thing , I’ll use the quote from the guy who wrote the method. "The concept is one of positive reinforcement: conditioning the wild hawk so that she comes to want to be with you, without undergoing the stress that older methods invariably inflict. Sitting until exhausted with a hysterical hawk on your fist in the light of a flickering candle in the vain hope that it will eat, or better still sleep, is something that even T.H. White found onerous and unworkable " " Initially, it will be stressful but not half as bad as being marched round on the fist in the vain hope that it will eventually give up the fight and feed. After all , you intend to keep this hawk , barring accidents for life , and that could be twenty years, To establish a negative bond for the sake of getting into the field a couple of weeks earlier seems desperately short sighted."

You can see what persuaded me to try!

[Matt]

yes defo when you put it like that it makes sence . but 6 weeks !!
next time go imprint i think .
hunting tame ect ect in 9 weeks .
whats the next step to this program? when do you start to drop the weight?
all the best matt

[Mary Quite Contrary]

I’m following a method printed in International falconer, Basically describing how to use positive re enforcement to creep into the hawks life , as apposed to using the "I’ll starve you until you eat in front of me method", so when I got him he was just under 9 weeks old was jessed up and tethered in his aviary, from that day on I fed him at lib and of good quality ( quail rat etc) he was pretty weighty when he was taken from his parents , so it took a while for his weigh to come down, ( stress was causing him to lose weight) to a level where he would accept eating the food I brought him in front of me , so basically I never forced myself on him , I slowly increased the time and proximity each day until he was eating at my feet the second I threw down the food. The day I picked him up on the glove for the first time, he settled down and ate within minutes, after this I just continued until I could carry him around the aviary whilst eating then moved out side and started the more traditional manning side of things. I’m very pleased with how it's going and I’m glad I’ve taken it slowly and softly with him, the results will be worth the effort I’m sure. As for killing lots im sure the car conditioning will help with that, I’m making a big effort to never let him get upset in the car and only see the positive sides i.e. he gets fed in there and once he’s coming to the glove lure I’ll start showing him game out of the car window, once he’s made a good few kills I’m sure he’ll begin to see the benefits.
He’s being taken for lots of walks and is slowly getting used to every day life outside the aviary. I have a separate aviary outside my room which I’ve no moved him down too; again he gets to see more without it being too much for him.
These are not my own ideas I’m just following a recipe that I read and it made sense.
I hope the results are as good as the method suggests, if his manners now are anything to go by I’ve got a good feeling about him.


This method has been successful with Gyrs and it works.
I have used a combination of this method and it is less stressful way of entering the birds life.

[SakerYZF]

Fantastic , always good to hear it works well , I did think it would be a nice method to try with other birds too , perhaps some of the more frantic birds like prairie falcons?

[SakerYZF]

The next step is to get other people feeding him, carrying him, introduce the dog etc, all with the aid of food at first then without, then comes the creance work, I’ll go for a walk, put him down on a post walk away blow the whistle (without food showing) if he comes then I’ll feed him up, if not I’ll go pick him up and carry on walking around and try again, this teaches him that instant response means food.. And no response means nothing, and I can start variable rewards, sometimes nothing, sometimes abit , sometimes all.

[SakerYZF]

Im not dropping weight.. im feeding him pretty much ad lim , and reducing quality as apposed to quantity in relation to how keen he is to eat.

[Matt]

jesus you are mad !!!! i just lost faith in this program ....
that im sorry to say worries me big time ... god i wish you all the best mate i realy do . you are braver than me ,. im not saying its wrong and you are right to do as you see fit but im so worried this will not work.
good luck mate keep posting avents i want you to prove me wrong.
all the best matt

[SakerYZF]

I'll do my best:D

[SakerYZF]

Right well Introduced the Creance yesterday ... good responce came 10 foot pretty much instantly , bear in mind he can't see the food and its the whistle he's reacting too, Same again responce was even quicker. fed pretty much his whole ration , i've decided to hold him at 1lb 61/2 ouces for a while , once hes coming the full length of the creance to glove and lure i'll go hunting!
Pics will follow!

[SakerYZF]

Just a few pics of him on the glove today.

[SakerYZF]

Yikes , sorry really should have made them smaller:S

[Matt]

looking good very handsome . are you hooding him much?

[SakerYZF]

Not at all , i've no need to hood him , the transport box is working well , he jumps into it now .

[Matt]

good stuff.

[John Stockdale]

Lovely looking bird, could you please let me know how to put pictures on as I have tried twice but was unsuccessful, Thanks mate!!

[SakerYZF]

Basicaly all you have to do is go too ; Post reply --> then Manage attachments, Browse for the picture you want to upload , make sure its under 97kbs , to do this simply right click on it and go down to "properties" , it will say how large the file is .. if it is too large , email me the file i'll resize it for you and send back .. unless of course you know how to rezise it yourself , if you would rather try yourself i'd try searching in google say " How to resize pictures " you should have plently of help there , if not i'll email you the basics:D

[John Stockdale]

Thanks for the advise but have been trying for ages to resize files, I went on google but still no luck, could you let me know how I can e mail you them or you could e mail me as suggested, Cheers mate!

[John Stockdale]

Finally thanks to Barney we have some pictures of my female Gos to show. One of cock pheasant she killed on Tuesday and one on my drunken wifes knee :rolleyes: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Well if your gonna put pics of an imprint on then here are some of my girl

[Tim Laycock]

Some more of her

[SakerYZF]

Looking V nice:D , I'll upload some of mine once he's enterd , should't be long hes flying free well enough , i'll go try some bunny bashing on sat:D

[SakerYZF]

Well, to update - for the past week I’ve been letting him chase anything he wants too, this has included snipe, rabbits, mallards, magpies, and today a pheasant... he’s a little rocket catching up with ease but just not quite committing , I’ve suspected his weight being a little on the up side , and today confirmed that, after chasing the pheasant ( that he could have taken with ease) he made a detour for the local trees , nice 40ft high impossible to climb jobbies:/ , couldn’t see him from where i was , so i fetched out the telemetry, and returned to the scene of him chasing crows around and around the trees, after he got bored of this he disappeared on me thicker into the "bramble forest" leaving me only to track him down.. After loosing about a pint of blood and shredding my trousers, ruining my Gore-Tex jacket and turning my wellys into Arabic thorn torture boots, i tracked him down sitting in what might as well be the highest tree on Anglesey.. After 10 mins of prancing about like a total tit in monsoon type weather trying every trick in the book, he finally came down to me..... Think I learnt my lesson people?

[Tim Laycock]

Shave some off him m8. you dont want a repeat performance of that :lol:
Does not sound like it will take a lot :wink:

[SakerYZF]

Right this is what im talking about!!! Dropped his weight half n ouce and i can't get over the change .. his respoce is fantasic , n after watching him chase a hen pheasant today im conviced he's spot on. Was a fantastic chase and im so gutted i could't reflush it for him ( no dog and too much cover) but hes show how fast he is flying it down that quickly... watch this sapce :D

[BFC 007]

wont be long-mine had his first kill yesterday :D

[SakerYZF]

Congrats man:D , next few days i think

[Gaz]

Well done dude,..got your pm....makes a difference eh??..well pleased for you!!

[SakerYZF]

What was it he killed? :D
Think i'll go magpie hawking 2moz see what he thinks of em;)

[Matt]

give me a week or two and im gona be outthere having a go i will take a pic of him tonight and see what you think . poor old bird looks a state.
welldone you lot with your pr goses .

[BFC 007]

What was it he killed? :D
Think i'll go magpie hawking 2moz see what he thinks of em;)
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=214507#post214507
:wink:

[BFC 007]

give me a week or two and im gona be outthere having a go i will take a pic of him tonight and see what you think . poor old bird looks a state.
welldone you lot with your pr goses .
any pics of him matt?

[OutFlying]

BFC,
The starting / entering weight is nearly identical to the 2 gosses I had off Chris, it funny how you think they'll enter at much higher weights (as progress is made at higher weights with regards jumping and eating on the fist) but when it comes to the crunch - most finnish males will enter between 1-7/12 and 1-9lb no matter what. I would guess if you flew him hard enough he would finished the season at around 1-11 1/2 ish. Next season flying heavier at around 1-13+.

Jim.

[BFC 007]

know what you mean jim,coming instant at 1.9 1/2 on creance but the little chap just tail-chased the quarry at that weight & veered off after 40-50 yards :sad: lol now he is a demon,weather was poor today so just gave him call offs to let him know im still a meal provider :wink:
cheers
paul

[SakerYZF]

Well , today was short but sweet, got to my flying ground at 830, and he caught his first pheasant at 835:P
nice flight took it on the rise:D

[Matt]

well done that fantastic.
is he the german male ? what weight did he take that at ?

[BFC 007]

well done mate,did he bring it down from the rear or head?

[SakerYZF]

yeah hes a german male , he was 600grams today ,think thats about lb 5.
Bound to it about 20ft in the air he'd fliped upsidedown and taken it from underneith , once he was on the ground there was a fight n he had hold of it by the head.. he did well really it wasn't a small bird
:)

Bring on the rabbits !!!! :D

[Matt]

fantastic .
rabbits will be childs play now mate if can take cock phesants hes a natural born killer .
i bet he feels real sharp at 1.5 dont he ?
my boys at 1.9 lb to 1.8 lb and feel terible thin.

[BFC 007]

fantastic .

my boys at 1.9 lb to 1.8 lb and feel terible thin.

you wait till you get him at 1.7 then lol

[SakerYZF]

his keel feels alright , at 1.6 he felt pretty full chested but wasn't interested in catching , just chasing, he's doesn't look like a big bird at all , very sleek and tall.
he should be alright on monday , be nice to come across another pheasant :P

[SakerYZF]

Well today was the nicest day in over a month it was made even better when the gos took his first crow out of the car window!

[Liam Fensome]

Beautiful goshawk you got there

[BFC 007]

anymore pheasants mate?
was it a good chase with the crow?

[SakerYZF]

Was a good chase... and his last, I still haven't figured out why , but yesterday he seemed off colour ,I thought didn't seem anything major, and then when he caught that crow I thought "ah he’s ok" , the crow escaped him first time and he got up and caught it again , I tried to fed him up but he seemed a little put off by the meat , no matter I had brought more food with me than usual and offered it too him , he took 150grams of it (his usual ration is 96g), but didn’t seem to want anymore , I tethered him as usual when I got home , checked him a few hours later and he seemed still a little bit under the weather so I put him in a box in a heated shed , today at 7am went to put him on lawn and found him dead in his box... still not really sunk in im totally gutted and mystified by what's happened , checking my notes it seemed he had thrown up some of his food from Fridays meal , and was underweight on Saturday so I gave him more than usual , didn't think I’d be able to fly him yesterday but he was 5 grams under.. he’s been lower than this so I just took more food out with me, I've not been able to get hold of my vet yet I’ll keep trying im concerned it might affect my other birds. I'll let you all know.

Chris:/

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Was a good chase... and his last, I still haven't figured out why , but yesterday he seemed off colour ,I thought didn't seem anything major, and then when he caught that crow I thought "ah he’s ok" , the crow escaped him first time and he got up and caught it again , I tried to fed him up but he seemed a little put off by the meat , no matter I had brought more food with me than usual and offered it too him , he took 150grams of it (his usual ration is 96g), but didn’t seem to want anymore , I tethered him as usual when I got home , checked him a few hours later and he seemed still a little bit under the weather so I put him in a box in a heated shed , today at 7am went to put him on lawn and found him dead in his box... still not really sunk in im totally gutted and mystified by what's happened , checking my notes it seemed he had thrown up some of his food from Fridays meal , and was underweight on Saturday so I gave him more than usual , didn't think I’d be able to fly him yesterday but he was 5 grams under.. he’s been lower than this so I just took more food out with me, I've not been able to get hold of my vet yet I’ll keep trying im concerned it might affect my other birds. I'll let you all know.

Chris:/

sorry to hear that. best wishes to you

[BFC 007]

:sad:
gutted for you mate.
paul

[OutFlying]

What was the sharpness of the keel prior to death ?

[SakerYZF]

Cheers guys, appreciated.

Not particularly thin, after talking to the vet he seemed to think it was perhaps a crop related problem...but its impossible to say without a post mortem.

[Adam Barrett]

I know we have a lot of new members since this thread was first posted just thought i would bring it back to life and see if anyone has any new ideas or exxperiances they would like to share about training PR goshawks.

Thanks
Adam

[Accipitress]

Ignore this post. I'm just posting something so I can get notifications in my email.

So sorry about the gos, you have my condolences.

Becky

[GregMik]

Ignore this post. I'm just posting something so I can get notifications in my email.

So sorry about the gos, you have my condolences.

Becky

Becky,
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Greg

[Accipitress]

Thanks Greg, now I see it.

Becky

[BirdBreeder]

great thread.

[BirdBreeder]

I have a few questions for you gos flyers out there, basically I just obtained a PR gos going threw its first moult it is a finnish bird. I have him free lofted in a chamber to finish moulting the chamber itself is in the middle of things he can see
dogs,horses,cars,people etc etc its a open chamber. His behavoir is good in the chamber unless you get within 8 feet of it then he gets jumpy and flys around. He was trained last year but only flown for 3 - 4 weeks he took game during that time but other then that he was never messed with. My first question is how jumpy is a chamber finnish goshawk in a chamber when its hog fat does his behavoir sound normal or a little on the wild side? Second question is a bird with that little flying time a lost cause? I have access to some easy slips to get him going I am just worried about the wildness and if he will tame down? Any thoughts?

[Gaz]

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