Genuine Gore-Tex Hood Braces [Archive]

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 11:24 AM

Various colours and weights in stock & ALL GENUINE GORETEX!!!

As this thread progresses please ask what I have in stock as it will constantly be changing.

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Fluro Yellow - 3 Ply
Mustard - 3 Ply
Dark Green - 2 Ply
Desert Camo - 3 Ply
Royal Blue - 2 Ply
Black - 2 Ply

CanadaManada

07-03-2009, 12:54 PM

Any shots of the ends of the braces, Paul?

Justin

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 01:22 PM

Sure here are some of the Desert Camo:wink:

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 01:36 PM

And together

CanadaManada

07-03-2009, 02:13 PM

Paul,
Are they Gore-Tex or nylon? I know alot of people say Gore-tex, not knowing exactly what Gore-tex is. The reason I ask is I cannot see any of the white Gore-tex laminate in the pictures.

Justin

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 03:48 PM

You are right! Most people do not know what real Gore-tex is and I have researched it quiet a bit to find the real stuff and it was a mission b ecause Gore-tex will not even deal with you unless you are a lisenced manufacturer or buy a £3000 franchise.

However I now know I have the real deal and it comes in many guises!

BTW even a nylon material can be real Gore-tex because of the added Gore-tex patent added to that material BUT we are looking for a material for it ablity to hold its shape, be waterproof and its frictional properties.:wink:

CanadaManada

07-03-2009, 03:51 PM

Sounds good, Paul.
I'll be having some off you for a looksee.
Any discount off shipping for more than one pair?

Justin

HallBeck

07-03-2009, 03:53 PM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 05:00 PM

Sounds good, Paul.
I'll be having some off you for a looksee.
Any discount off shipping for more than one pair?

Justin
Unfortunately Justin postage to you costs more and I do not charge more as you know and as I mentioned above it is free shipping so a discount on zero is zero:twisted:

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 05:03 PM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?
Thefact that hood makers of their worth can explain more and better than me mean I should probably be silent now but it has all to do with a product that our performs anything else on the market as far as rotproof, keeping orginal form and its wonderful microstructure making it as difficult as possible for claws and talons to get stuck in them.:wink:

I hope we have a hood maker or six to add to that?8-)

HallBeck

07-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Thefact that hood makers of their worth can explain more and better than me mean I should probably be silent now but it has all to do with a product that our performs anything else on the market as far as rotproof, keeping orginal form and its wonderful microstructure making it as difficult as possible for claws and talons to get stuck in them.:wink:

I hope we have a hood maker or six to add to that?8-)

Thanks Paul - hopefully we will have the input from a hoodmaker or two!

Pirate Of Penzance

07-03-2009, 05:46 PM

you can put me down for a few of each colour they look great only hope my hoods are good enough to put them in. i will pm you for 50 mixed thanks :)

Hawkmaster

07-03-2009, 05:47 PM

Thank you Sir! Very kind of you!:D

FlameHairedFalconer

09-03-2009, 11:25 AM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?

I am a recent convert to gor-tex or essentially the membrane that is often referred to as gor-tex for braces.

Gortex makes striking and drawing the braces to pinpoint accuracy extremely easy. It does not stretch over time and retains its original shape. When wet gortex braces operate in the same way as when dry. All of this gives a real advantage over leather.

I am in the process of revamping my website but will be offering gortex as an option for braces shortly.

ChinaHood

09-03-2009, 02:43 PM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?

Hi Charlie

I totally agree with the views of Hattie :supz:

If you frequently use a hood, the use of leather produced Hood Braces, has some defects.because, leather produced by Hood Braces, the use of a period of time, there will be obvious variants. So you loose the hood.

In my opinion, Gore-Tex Hood Braces are a good :yawinkle:

YI

Grovsey

09-03-2009, 04:49 PM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?
the gortex does not slip when the braces are drawn like leather can to over time and use ,the gortex has got a rought like texture aiding in the none slip of the braces,i have used rip stop with the same effect as gortex

GriffMJ

10-03-2009, 12:13 AM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?

Gore-Tex is just a trade name...... you can use it or many other types of perfectly good material to make braces..... the waterproof properties are a benefit.

Brace material is definatley better than leather and lasts much longer...... the important thing is to have a good material and a well made brace.

HallBeck

10-03-2009, 08:39 AM

Thanks for all your answers guys - makes sense now!

SakerJack

10-03-2009, 12:14 PM

Can i ask why Gore-Tex is best for braces? Gore-Tex is just the trade name for the PTFE mebrane that makes the fabric both waterproof yet breathable - how does this help in braces?

Several reasons why at least in my opinion? First, leather after a period of time will fail to hold the hood completely shut, they become soft over time and they then become loose, even if the bird shakes his head or rouses the leather braces can loosen, you will not have that problem with gor tex.. Secondly, when you are out hawking and it rains, the leather braces can become damp and it can be very difficult to open them. Gor tex and other high quality nylon braces last almost forever,, leather well let's just say I have been left coming home with a teethful of leather after one half has come off..

Pirate Of Penzance

12-03-2009, 09:25 PM

got my braces they are great, here is a picture they :)work well and are very well finished thanks a lot hawkmaster:)

Hawkmaster

12-03-2009, 09:30 PM

My pleasure and glad you like them keep the pictures coming!:D

SakerJack

12-03-2009, 11:08 PM

got my braces they are great, here is a picture they :)work well and are very well finished thanks a lot hawkmaster:)

Great looking braces and of course great looking hood!! Kudos to both of you!!

CeeGee

12-03-2009, 11:15 PM

had lengthy converstaion with guy from tissot recently re goretex- was under the immpression that goretex was a miracle material, turns out its just a brand name for a ptfe membrane system. All major clothing companies have their own type with different names,most of the quality manufacturers systems are just as good.

Hawkmaster

12-03-2009, 11:22 PM

CeeGee

12-03-2009, 11:25 PM

oops

Hawkmaster

12-03-2009, 11:34 PM

No problem

It does however go beyond just getting some material that is treated:wink:

CeeGee

12-03-2009, 11:38 PM

I'm sure !! huge amount off science behind it - wasnt trying to diss it !!

Hawkmaster

12-03-2009, 11:41 PM

Not a problem this product has stood the test of time:wink:

WhiteTail

13-03-2009, 12:56 AM

They are great especially in wet weather when leather braces stick

How did you get a licence to sell the gortex?
i found that the hardest part about this product

Like selling coke as pepsi.... they go mental..

Hawkmaster

13-03-2009, 01:46 AM

Anyone one can sell it read post #6:wink:

WhiteTail

13-03-2009, 09:49 AM

Anyone one can sell it read post #6:wink:

Thats pretty cool,
So whats the deal, does someone own the rights to the name gor-tex?
or is that a technical name that can be used as such to describe a process?

I was always lead to believe that is was a brand name,

cheers for the info

GriffMJ

13-03-2009, 10:40 AM

got my braces they are great, here is a picture they :)work well and are very well finished thanks a lot hawkmaster:)

Great hood there PoP :wink:

HallBeck

13-03-2009, 07:21 PM

Thats pretty cool,
So whats the deal, does someone own the rights to the name gor-tex?
or is that a technical name that can be used as such to describe a process?

I was always lead to believe that is was a brand name,

cheers for the info

Goretex is a brand name owned by Wm Gore and Sons. Goretex is not the face fabric - that can be many different fabrics, its the membrane laminated to it. Thew patent (if memory serves) covers the PTFE membrane and the glue used in the lamination process.

There are numerous Goretex competitors all using similar technology - most outdoor clothing manufacturers have their own brand of membrane

Pirate Of Penzance

13-03-2009, 07:54 PM

so your still alive mr jones thought you had been lost at hack:)

GriffMJ

13-03-2009, 08:56 PM

so your still alive mr jones thought you had been lost at hack:)

Needed the break ........ now back at the bench. Will touch base soon :D

Hawkmaster

07-04-2009, 10:53 AM

Just finishing off loads of Desert Camo today:D

GriffMJ

07-04-2009, 11:07 AM

Just finishing off loads of Desert Camo today:D

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Hawkmaster

07-04-2009, 05:22 PM

Order on it way and THANK you!:supz:

Hawkmaster

08-04-2009, 01:51 PM

General question to hood makers.
Just out of interest if a hood is made with Goretex braces would you charge more?

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 11:36 AM

I have just got some of Pauls braces....... they are as good as anything I have used and I shall be using Paul as a supplier.

Well done Paul...... excellent quality.

Hawkmaster

09-04-2009, 11:45 AM

Thank you Griff I would love to see some of the camo ones on you new two piece hoods!;)

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 11:49 AM

Thank you Griff I would love to see some of the camo ones on you new two piece hoods!;)

Todays project :D Just mixing up some dye to match the braces.

Hawkmaster

09-04-2009, 11:50 AM

Did you get the samples?

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 11:55 AM

Did you get the samples?

Yes...

Olive Green : Yes, I can use.
Mustard yellow : Yes, I can use.
Burgundy : Yes, I can use.

See if you can do a 4mm width brace in the thinner stuff....... if you can do that then I can use that for the merlin, Perlin hoods. :D :supz:

Hawkmaster

09-04-2009, 12:01 PM

OK so you want the 2 ply done in 4mm wide I will give it a go and see what results I get?

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 12:06 PM

OK so you want the 2 ply done in 4mm wide I will give it a go and see what results I get?

That size will fit in the hoods without looking too big and more importantly will allow a better fit at the back of the head for the falcon.

CanadaManada

09-04-2009, 01:25 PM

Griff,
Thinner braces on small hoods is something that not enough people think about. Nothing worse looking that a smart, small hood with massive braces hanging from it.

Justin

Hawkmaster

09-04-2009, 01:28 PM

That is because the people like myself that make them do not produce them.

I would like to offer the following sizes small, medium and large. 4mm, 6mm and 10mm.

Watch this space:lol:

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 01:32 PM

That is because the people like myself that make them do not produce them.

I would like to offer the following sizes small, medium and large. 4mm, 6mm and 10mm.

Watch this space:lol:

I will have to find a smaller hole punch :lol:

SakerJack

09-04-2009, 08:51 PM

General question to hood makers.
Just out of interest if a hood is made with Goretex braces would you charge more?

Paul I think it is more than acceptable to charge more for Gortex and nylon braces than for leather. I have seen many charge anywhere from 5-15.00 more for a set added to a hood.

GriffMJ

09-04-2009, 11:29 PM

Hi Paul

I managed to get a colour match on the dye..... so the braces should blend nicely.

http://www.m-jhoods.co.uk/M-J%20Hoods3/images/COBRA/2p/Cobra2p11.JPG

Hawkmaster

10-04-2009, 01:43 AM

Great lets see what it comes out like?

GriffMJ

10-05-2009, 10:22 AM

Paul

Have you got those "most excellent" 5mm hood braces done yet :?: I am in need of them to put into the new COBRA Merlin & Jack Merlin hoods :D Just a couple of "strips" will do for now.

Hawkmaster

19-12-2011, 10:45 PM

Hood braces now made and ready to ship again!

Trade enquiries welcome:)

Hawkmaster

05-02-2012, 02:57 PM

Paul

Have you got those "most excellent" 5mm hood braces done yet :?: I am in need of them to put into the new COBRA Merlin & Jack Merlin hoods :D Just a couple of "strips" will do for now.
If there is a call for 5mm ones I will make some:)

Merger

06-02-2012, 11:49 AM

Paul they look neat. Great to hear of new converts! Ive used gortex braces only since 98, when you could only get them from Martin Jones or the States.. they wernt an easy sell the back then.. but I have yet to meet a falconer thats ever tried them once, on a wet day.. and returned to leather! I have also used all other alternative materials.. and found them not as sharp, binding, or smooth..being waterproof there main benifit, followed by smoothless striking, and lack of gaping at rear..I used to make them in red, to make finding a lost hood easier! A black Dutch, with red side panels and red braces can be seen in the grass, at nigh on 100yrds! will try some of yours when I need them Paul.