HARRIS HAWK

[SW3AN29]

HELLO EVERYONE,
I HAVE DECIDED TO GET A FEMALE HARRIS I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP AND WILL BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE RIGHT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ AND HEARD A CRESH REARED HARRIS IS THE EASIEST TO TRAIN AND YOU CAN RAISE THE WEIGHT UP A FAIR BIT HIGHER CAN YOU BREED A CRESH REARED BIRD LATER ON AND DOES THE NOISE STOP ONCE YOU ARE CATCHING REGULAR

[Hawkmaster]

Hi there SW3AN29 they are all easy! Personally I see no reason why you should not have a PR bird.

I am sure other will toss in their 2 cents worth?

Paul

[Saker-Clive]

My HH was creche reared and he is silent; we covered this on another thread the other day but as HM said, it makes no real difference. If the bird is trained/manned properly, you shouldn't have any probs.

[SW3AN29]

SAKER-SUCKER WHY DID YOU TRY A CRECHE REARED BIRD IF YOU DONT MIND ME ASKING

[Saker-Clive]

That's all the breeder had at the time; the parents of Kier are not good parents so they have to take them out and either put them with other parents or creche rear them. They creched that brood as they were a late clutch and none of the others had young to mix them with.

[Mr_Colin]

My HH is a parent reared bird and i dont have any problems with noise. Might be just lucky that way but who knows or for that matter who cares as long as the bloody thing isnt a screamer, lol

[Ben C]

I am biting my tounge fellas don't worry!!!!! :) :) :)

[Rob Redtail]

Sorry Ben not with you there... you're biting your what ??? what did you say you did for a living ????.....lol...R'gards Rob.

[Mr_Colin]

why you biting your tongue Benc?

[MickeyDredd]

I am biting my tounge fellas don't worry!!!!

why you biting your tongue Benc?

He meant to say lounge - he's got a furniture fetish

[Ben C]

Hi Mr Colin and Roberto Redtail,

Well I have a pet theory about the difference between Imprints, creche and PR Harris Hawks. The whole discussion can be read on the thread..........Imprinting A Harris Hawk. :) :)

On the thread I battled willfully on, and stand by the majority of my reasoning. And aside from HM's smarty pants comments about them being easy (yes HM I watching you sonny :) :) ) IMO The best Hawk for slope soaring (which is where EVERY HH should aim for :)) in intense conditions is an Imprint or a creach reared......not a PR.

Thanks Mikey.....I told you too keep that quite, I am rubbing myself against an axminster as we speak :) :) :)

However I am not an expert......also before it kicks off again....I LOVE ALL TYPES OF HARRIS HAWKS..REGARDLESS OF BREEDING ETC ETC :) :)

[Ben C]

However I will add that a creche reared hawk is easy to completely **** up Swan69.....much easier than a PR, because it will IMPRINT on you and you will get screaming etc etc. I HAVE HAD A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT so cody is fine............at the moment :) :) :)

If you are hunting in woodland etc etc then a PR is the way forward. :) :)

[SW3AN29]

why is a pr better in woodlands

[Goldie]

YES you can breed from creche reared HH

[Mary Quite Contrary]

HELLO EVERYONE,
I HAVE DECIDED TO GET A FEMALE HARRIS I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP AND WILL BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE RIGHT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ AND HEARD A CRESH REARED HARRIS IS THE EASIEST TO TRAIN AND YOU CAN RAISE THE WEIGHT UP A FAIR BIT HIGHER CAN YOU BREED A CRESH REARED BIRD LATER ON AND DOES THE NOISE STOP ONCE YOU ARE CATCHING REGULAR




Excuse me pal , have you done a course or your homework?

[Musket]

Hi SW3AN29 Chuffpiece Chass is quite correct , at the very least do some home work on the bird of your choice? I see that in April you wanted to take up a spar, what happend?
good luck when you take up your bird.

[SW3AN29]

no i decided against getting a spar for the time being untill i have more experience i was very worried about the weight control

[Musket]

I would also like to fly a spar ! I have had a couple of barn owls that my girls had flying free, I have had two common buzzards, one for 2 years and one for three years, flying free, corrie the f/male was the only one that would chase and catch anything and that was mixi rabitbits.
sold all up when I moved 10 years ago, I have on order a Male Harris to train this year, but the spars the bird that keeps coming back into my mind, real sport and real fun( I dont mean the rest isnt) :D

[SW3AN29]

yeah i know what you mean cracking little bird

[Musket]

so what are you going to do? (about a hawk)?

[Ben C]

Get a PR!!!! :) :)

[Musket]

The one i have on order is PR Male I hope to team up with someone later
to hunt in a cast

[SW3AN29]

Yeah i am going to go with a pr female and would like to thank benc for his help
cheers mate

[Ben C]

Well shucks, I don't need it mate but there you go. :) :) I am only a newbie myself dude! Now the only problem you have is the right breeder, second batch, new mews, mentor, a few books, weathering, and a big wall between your Red Tail and your Harris. :) :)

[SW3AN29]

i know still got a bit of space in the garden just need to bulid what a lot of fun that is

[Gozzhawk]

Doesn't anyone hunt with a buzzhawk anymore, whatever happened to the 'beginners bird'? Maybe its everyone getting lazy? At mo we have a female buzz who is learning to soar and does alright, admittedly she has topped out about 500ft but she still needs work, this from what people call a lazy bird? On the HH PR everytime 'cos i think they learn more from the parents ie social graces etc and if you ever plan to fly in a cast then its half way there already? Never understood the benefit of an imprint HH, maybe somebod can explain pros? Again just my two bobs worth.

[Ben C]

I bet thats an amazing sight to see mate, 500ft with a buzzard, has it caught anything yet (a serious question, not a smart arse dig as well) :)

Gozz, you sound like you know your stuff (kestrels, buzzards and falcons on previous threads), so you are bound to know the reasons for an imprint and I bet you must have flown em at some point eh mate! :) :) :) Imprints that is not just imprint Harris Hawks. :) :)

[Gozzhawk]

Imprints are for the seriously patient or for shagging and i'm celibate at the mo!!! As for the buzzhawk she has hunted mice, a vole , newts , frogs and worms ( massive head count- dont always listen to what folk tell you... ie 'i took 50 head this year' ). In all honesty she is a demo bird and i aint even tried her on the DB my aim is to gat her waiting on at 1000ft and reward her for that , maybe once the hunting season starts she will get her chance but i would hate to waste all the work that has went into her , and before anyone moans she is a malimprint , dude who had her first year flew her into trees and waited till she was ready to come down then fed her!!!

[Ben C]

I do love Buzzards, did she stoop on the worms mate !! ?? :) :) I would like to see the picks when you get her to 1000ft, yep a small brown dot I know! :)

When you say Imprints are for the seriously patient what do you mean??

Cheers

Ben

[Gozzhawk]

If anyone is willing to donate a digital camera and give me a computer course how to get pics on web its a deal, trouble enough doing this ****!! Imprinting is very time consuming, takes a lot of specialised knowlegde and if it goes wrong the problems may be unsurmountable, think theres good info on this site somewhere re imprinting. Good example is Gos get it young have it with you 24hrs and watch it kill anything that moves , if it aint done correct you will have a schizophrenic bird possibly prone to trying to kill you or itself!!

[Ben C]

:) :) :) :) Have you ever flown an imprint Harris Hawk? Or have you ever seen one? (again serious question mate).

[Gozzhawk]

Seen a few and flew two, the male i flew was never imprinted properly , mantled on glove on kills and couldnt be flown as cast due to agression. The female on the other hand was smashing got a loan for a season and she hit hares like baby bunnies still she would scream on bow on lawn and hated cars , still would prefer PR everytime, seriously tho I'm going right off HHs maybe its the old adage that familiarity breeds contempt! got to sign off now KATE HUMBLE coming on , ooooohhhhh

[Ben C]

Interesting......have you ever imprinted one yourself?? Or have you just stuck to PR. And being from scotland I assume you took the female up onto a big old hill to catch the Hares? :) :)

Who the hell is Kate Humble??? Is she a Scottish news reader perchance?

[BFC 007]

presenter with bill odie

[Ben C]

:)

[Gozzhawk]

Not much hares on stubble or plough here its got to be hills , brown or blue , blue not as tasty tho

[Gozzhawk]

forgot to say , never imprinted a broadwing personally , cant be that difficult but still dont see the benefits apart from maybe trust it a bit more in gale force at 800ft

[Ben C]

Thanks Gozz, thats very helpful.......hope Kate forfilled your natural urges mate!!!! :) :) :)

Gonna get me some of them blue hares in the new season....I think a week on the great Scottish mountains will suffice mate. I want to prove Bob Dalton wrong (in a nice way of course) and get cody on em. :) :)

[BFC 007]

got to sign off now KATE HUMBLE coming on , ooooohhhhh
wouldnt mind a bit of humble pie myself gozz :tonqe:

[Gozzhawk]

What have you got to prove bobby d wrong about?? This might have to be a whole new thread.

[Kornie]

Thanks Gozz, thats very helpful.......hope Kate forfilled your natural urges mate!!!! :) :) :)

Gonna get me some of them blue hares in the new season....I think a week on the great Scottish mountains will suffice mate. I want to prove Bob Dalton wrong (in a nice way of course) and get cody on em. :) :)

Assuming coby is a male BenC, good luck! I have faith in you Ben, but trinity has been subjected to hares constantly as they are more then common up in Carfrae, if shes keen she will chase them but thats as far as shes been so far. Im not even sure if I would want her to catch one. And she is quite a good little hunter. Even when they are caught and under control, its still not pretty...

P.S. Trinity does have balls, she flies through herds of cows and darts in amongst them lol. Its just hare are too big for her.

[Ben C]

Oh nothing serious mate....I don't know him from Adam, but in his article this week (The Countrymans) he says that males have a hard time catching Blue Hares.......so always up for a challenge I am gonna give it a go.....probably fail, but as Jack Nicholson said in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest......"At least I tried Godam it, I did that at least!!!!" :) :)

[Gozzhawk]

Take it that regards brown hares?? the blue or mountain hare is just a big rabbit and unlike the brown WILL dig in and some folk ferret them for folk who like standing on frozen ground at -10!!

[Ben C]

Kornie......cody is a fella, and we have already had a bind and ride situation with 2 brown hares......way too big, but the Blueys are smaller no?? He has taken rabbit up to 5lb and that was about the limit really, regularly taken em up to 3lb (roughly). If he says NO, then he says NO. I am not gonna smash him up for any amount of pride mate. :) :)

[Ben C]

Gozz.....I thought Blue Hares are the same genus....lagomorph?

[Gozzhawk]

brown hare was introduced so not indigenous whereas the blue/white/mountain hare is native, large size difference , brown forms , blue digs . good quote from my neighbour who ate shat and slept lurchers for 50yrs ' they're (white) like a carrier bag in the middle of hampden Park' classic for anyone who can picture it!!

[Goldie]

Ben, as Gozzhawk says the Blue hare is like an overgrown bunny.
although sizes vary they are usually in the 6lb+ bracket where as I have seen a brown weighing in at 9.5 ungutted. Most blue hares have little fight in them compared to the browns and quite often curl up when nailed.
The last male HH i flew who is now in the breeding pen took 17 blues in two seasons but refused browns point blank. he flew at 1lb 12.

[Ben C]

Thanks lads..........so cody is in with a chance if we find a few small un's. One of the hares cody 'attacked' was hilarious! His faced actually changed from 'KILL KILL.....to OH ****". I didn't even know what he was flying at, it looked like a small pile of stones, and about 50 yards away was a dead squirrell which I actually thought he was going after!. :) :) :)

The second one was a few months after and was probably the same Hare, this time it was a better flight and he did try his hardest, it was pinged as it went up a very steep hill, but as soon as they both reached the top cody was unable to keep hold as the Hare REALLY took off. I found him looking very annoyed. :) :)

But as I say no amount of pride would provoke me into hurting him, so when we come to Scotland if its rabbit and pheasant then so be it. But maybe if he has got a bit of height (300 / 400 ft :) ) then the exra weight difference on the Blue Hare might not be so hard.

[Goldie]

. But maybe if he has got a bit of height (300 / 400 ft :) ) then the extra weight difference on the Blue Hare might not be so hard.

:?: Not sure what you mean Ben, the height isn't a factor. most Blue hares you are likely to take will be from the glove. The factors that come into play are footing ability and weight control. As with most birds, the ability to get the quarry by the head when out matched weight wise is the key. Taking the hare by the rump or back leg makes for a rodeo situation and a couple of those will soon sour a birds desire to fly them. It is also worth remembering that if your bird is not at "weight" or sharp it may not have the desire to tackle the more difficult slips.

I am not directing this at anyone in particular, but a lot of people who fly HH do so with a bird that is neither conditioned properly nor at true hunting weight. A HH will fly and respond and be capable of taking rabbits without much problem even when they are unfit and overweight ( proven fact ) hence the reason they are so popular with beginners and weekend falconers as the get success from their birds. HH are capable of so much more if the work is put into them.

Not to change the HH thread, but on my trips to Czech Rep I often watch
European Gosses around the 2lb mark take 8lb brown hares. Some birds taking 3 or 4 in a day and into three figures for the season.
That is a 4 to1 weight ratio, how can they do it ?.

They are methodically trained, know the benefits of taking by the head, are very fit and flying at their correct weight.
A HH trained to the same standard will produce the same results when flown at hare.

Jim

[Ben C]

The 300/400 ft is about soaring mate....stoop and hit hard if you get my drift. Cody is getting better with regards the head shot, if he misses first he does a little dance up the back and is on the head if its missed first time. With regards to brown hares there are just not enough where I live for him to keep trying and therefore lose his 'nerve'. Thats why a trip to scotland once a year should breath a new bit of life into our flying pattern.

With regards to fitness and weight, the regime I have for cody is pretty strict and it is not uncommon to be out for upwards of 5 hours on the weekends (in all weathers more or less, I think we missed a two days last season) With a two hour session being an 'easy' relaxed walk Mon to Fri. If I am not there because of work, then Lucy takes charge, we work as a team even though she is a veggy!! :) :)

The weight issue is a funny one, and that is part of this years targets. I have got to get a higher weight and instill more confidence in him. But it is still early stages yet and I have a long way to go. Hopefully Mick might show me one or two of the Gos hawks in action when I visit with him! :)

[Gozzhawk]

Is it only me or is anyone getting tired of talking about getting hh's fit . 5hrs a day is a good target and a keen response for anything that moves , even if its a crisp packet !! Dont understand where the confusion is with everyone wanting to fly at as high a weight as possible , fly your bird at the weight it suits, ie is killing , soaring , responsive to the lure . I still would love the oppertunity to go to USA (if they let us Commies in now!) and trap one , weigh it and compare its hunting ability to ANY captive bred hawk !! Please someone tell me that a Peruvian HH at 1.2 is a less efficient hunter than a 1.12 captive bred one . Anyone got the documentary on wild living HH , think it was New Mexico , been dying to see that for years!!

[Ben C]

Peruvian???? Don't talk ***** man! :) You are on a wind up mate and you have been for a few days! If you don't like Harris Hawks its because they are a bit too complicated for you. :) :) )

Its all about being delicate Gozz, but then again if your silly enough to keep a hawk at minus 16 degrees then you have to know your stuff eh fella. :) :) :)

[Gozzhawk]

I do like HH's and only thing I'm delicate with is not to be posted on this site , maybe its the Guiness but I dont get your reply?? Whats silly about minus 16 , ever been in it?? Ever considered how wild hawks deal with it , ever thought of the temperature variance of even a desert ? somewhere you probably think is 100 all the time ?

[Ben C]

Gozz I mean this in the nicest way my man, and when I post, it is more like a chatty, jokey thing, not a bullish attack OK? :) :) I trust you to be funny and not get all aggressive! Lots of smiley faces mean nice things :) :) :) OK...................................GOOD! :) :)

Right lets talk....minus 16 is not a good temperature for a captive hawk is it? The desert is a TOTALLY different environment. There a hawk flies at a different weight, has had different conditioning (compare a wolf to a dog) and can chose its own perch. Apart from which, a hawk may DIE. That's nature, and although we as falconers want to get as close to nature as possible, we don't really want death do we?

Gozz you mis-understand me...I would never be so obtuse as to think the desert is 100 degrees as I have been in a few in my life. Admitedly not the ones the Harris live in but I will let you know come easter mate :) :)

I have never heard of a peruvian Harris, what are they mate? please explain ?????? :) :) :)

This is all being said nicely and not in a ****** manner mate :) :)

[MickeyDredd]

Benc

Just for you mate.

Note that although the blue is smaller and lighter those hind legs could still do a lot of damage to a MHH!

As Goldie said, a head shot is essential.

[Gozzhawk]

just in a **** of a mood tonight , bad family news , but trying to keep focused on falconry . As for the Peruvian , there are two subspecies of HH , Parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus and Parabuteo unicinctus harisii , one of which being more southern and smaller (Peruvian) , sold one not so long ago , very small compact and like an accipiter off the fist !! I have never had a hawk die YET and am a great believer in free lofting so my hawks can choose suitable perches, something maybe a lot of cold weather hawkers never consider is wind chill, say its -2 ground temp , wind 20mph and you are up 500ft , bird soaring above at 700ft , would like to know what windchill its experiencing , must be damn chilly . Have spent a few winters up here (Scotland) out 6 days per week with birds flying ALL day , fit birds mind you , just gave them a bit more food , checked not soaked and put them away , admittedly if soaked then they can share my room for the night to dry out!

[Ben C]

Now we are talking boys!!! :) :)

Mikey mate, those 'rabbits' will need some serious conversation eh mate? Both me and Cody were happy until the joint on the rear legs of those 'Blueys' mate. Then it gets a bit too big mate. :) :) **** They are about the size of the brown but with a smaller body mass!!! Hardcore, but we shall see, we shall see. :) :)

Gozz, what are these sub-species that people talk about? :) :) A Harris is migratory, so is it a true sub-species or is it just an anomoly in the breeding? How can it be a sub-species and does anyone know for what purpose? i.e what ecological niche it may enter and how it performs it particular function?

[MickeyDredd]

Ben

I've flown my male hh at blueys only once, in a cast with a mates FHH, in the hope that they would take them on together - unfortunately they took turn about!

The first time he hit one his deck feather complete with telemetry was left in the heather :(

I haven't flown him at hare since cos i've got a female RT for the job :twisted: :twisted:

[Ben C]

AAAHHH........******.....right, ah, umm OK, back to the rabbits then???

Still we shall see....Mikey I trust you and I shall forever be in your debt, but it is an itch I have to scratch at least once mate! But I will be careful.............:) :) :) They are big old duffers though mate.

[MickeyDredd]

I'm not trying to put you off Ben, hawking blue hare in the Scottish mountains is great sport. Its quite surreal to be walking through knee-deep brown heather and suddenly this bloody great white thing springs up and starts running (usually straight uphill so your hawk has to be very fit to chase up a mountain against the wind :) )

Another worry is that as somebody else posted blue hare use boltholes so it could drag a MHH down one! my FRT got dragged through an ice bolt hole in a little gulley but luckily she spread her wings and was strong enough to stop herself being pulled through, a MHH would have gone straight through :!:

If a MHH grabs it anywhere other than the head you'd better get there very quickly to help him and that is not easy when your geared up for a Scottish winter and trying to run in knee-deep heather - I guarantee you'll end up on your ar*e more than once.

Let me know when and where your going and I might tag along (we take a full weeks hawking in January at a cottage in Glen Isla every year if you fancy joining us I'll see if there's room)

[Ben C]

Mikey.....I have an invite from a fellow falconer so we have yet to sort the dates, but your experience will be most welcome, and you and a few others will be more than guests at mine and lucy's cottage. :) :)

[Goldie]

[quote="Gozzhawk"] As for the Peruvian , there are two subspecies of HH , Parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus and Parabuteo unicinctus harisii quote]

Ben/Gozz

In actual fact there are 3 subspecies. The 2 you have mentioned plus
Parabuteo unicinctus superior.

unicinctus unicinctus is the smallest and recognised in adult plumage by the creamy edges to its mail.

unicinctus harrisi in contrast has an adult chest of totally dark feathers.

unicinctus superior which is the largest is generally recognised by this factor.

Points to note is this applies to wild HH in the areas which they inhabit, whereas since they were imported to the Uk and the popularity of them meant they were being bred in massive numbers, the crossing of subspecies was inevitable, and in most cases now it is nearly impossible to determine the difference.

My old breeding female is a first generation superior import that hunts at 2lb 12 and her partner who hunts at 1lb.12 was from very large stock and i can only assume that he MAY be unicinctus superior also, although I couldn't be definate. They produce youngsters of similar size.

[Ben C]

Goldie mate.....thanks, that is very interesting. How have you found this out? What books did you get it from, or is it just common knowledge and I am thicky Mcthick thick from the Island of thickness?? (an old Blackadder joke :) :) ). Point me in the direction of the web-sites if you will mate :) :) Or those in the know so I can phone em up.

Ben

[OutFlying]

Graham Butterworth breeds the peruvian harris hawk.


http://www.ibr.org.uk/dirv4/page158.html

[Ben C]

:)

[Gozzhawk]

as far as i know Superior is a desert region , nothing at all to do with subspecies or bird size, but shucks i only read literature !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ben C]

Its a town is it not Gozz?? :) :)

[Ben C]

Thanks for the link OF..............as per usual I stand corrected and am an arse. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ......I have much to learn on my journey towards the light :) :) :)

[OutFlying]

I remember Graham speaking highly of this strain (might be something to do with him breeding them though :shock: ).

OF.

[Ben C]

OF what did he say mate.....what are the differences etc etc Does he have visitors without them buying the goods?

[OutFlying]

BenC,
Ring him and make enquiries about his harris hawks, I'm sure its better getting the information from the "horses mouth". I seem to remember him saying the males were very small and good fast bird catchers.

OF.

[Ben C]

OF as per usual you are a mine of info my good man: I shall phone him today. :) :)

[Goldie]

as far as i know Superior is a desert region , nothing at all to do with subspecies or bird size, but shucks i only read literature !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fair point Gozzhawk but you must be reading the wrong literature :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Without me trawling through numerous books for more info here are a couple of instances.

Phillip Glasier, in his Falconry and Hawking book states :- The entire genus parabuteo is composed of only THREE species.

Emma Ford in her Art and Practice book states :- There are Three subspecies of Harrises.....Parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus, unicinctus harrisi and unicinctus superior.

Also a little gem from the Beebe & Webster book titled :-
North American Falconry and Hunting Hawks.

It states :- North American falconers are familiar with two of the THREE races of HH. The Sonoran race (Parabuteo unicinctus superior) which are usually bigger than the "Texas" race (Parabuteo unicinctus harrisi) by several ounces.

Obviously the one they were unfamiliar with is the Peruvian one (Parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus) the smallest one.

Hope this helps.
Jim

[Ben C]

Goldie you have killed two birds with one stone.......now wheres me credit card!!!

[Gozzhawk]

Literature i have read , seems to contradict this , and states that there is not enough of a genetic differece to confirm seperate subspecies. If the scientists cant agree yet then we will just have to make our own minds up . good info Goldie , the only thing busts my nadgers is people selling'superoir ' hh , and as you say its very unlikely that yhey are , maybe just big birds , and then back to the old thing of why is a big bird wanted???

[Goldie]

A very valid point regarding people selling " Superior HH " I believe there may only be a handful of people in the country who could actually prove they are producing them. I myself believe mine are but cannot prove that to be,as you can see from an earlier post, and therefore I don't sell them as such. I merely sell them as Very large HH from proven hunting stock and ask top money for them. People can then draw their own conclusions. I am usually sold out before they are even hatched.

With regards to why are big birds wanted. Well thats a case of each to their own. I know that if I was to hunt only rabbits corvids and occasional pheasant, I would want as big a male or as small a female as I could get to give extra speed and agility. on the other hand if I had access to an abundance of Brown hare then i would lean towards the big females.
Then of course there are the " my dicks bigger than yours brigade " so like it is in most sports, everyone has their own preference, rightly or wrongly.

[Ozach]

I am new to falconry or to be specific i haven't started yet and i would like someone to give me a complete step y step info of how to train a Harris hawk.

[Ozach]

It is urgent.

[MickeyDredd]

Why is it so urgent, when do you plan to get your bird?

[Ozach]

I am so excited with the (sport) and i can wait to train my falcon what ever it takes.

[Ozach]

I'have my first bird as soon as i have all the info i need.

[Kornie]

Ok OZACH, I would slow down mate. There are a hell of a lot of things to consider before you should even begin taking up the sport...Ill let someone else finish this sentence...

[Ozach]

To:Kornie Such as what?Look i am not just a small boy who wants to have just a cute pet, for that reason i have my ferret.I don't want to show off but just to inform you when i finish high school I am going to study zoology.Animals are my main and almost only interest.

[Kornie]

Not saying you are Ozach...its just falconry CANNOT be rushed into. And everyone on this forum will agree. :)

Start reading as many books on falconry as you can mate :)

[Ozach]

I do know it takes a lot of time and effort.What i am really looking for is someone who has viseted a site with the info i need.

[Ozach]

And also where can i find such books here in greece very few have ever heard of such a sport nowadays.

[Ozach]

to:kornie Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kornie]

www.amazon.com

type falconry. Great site they ship round the world.

[Ozach]

My father just won't give me his credit card.Do you have a falcon?

[Kornie]

Trinity, 2 year old Female harris'.

Shame about that you'll have to steal it somehow...or explainthe various security measures laid down these days

[Ozach]

What do you mean?

[Kornie]

Yes i have a Harris Hawk, she is two years old.

its a shame your dad wont lend you his credit card...

[Ozach]

Where can I find my hawk.I am in greece remember.

[FalcoPeregrino]

II have a pure Peruvian harris !
hunting with 700 grams, for birds is the better BOP that I flied