Kite training for HH?

[Monti]

Hi,

has anybody already trained HH to the kite? What where the results?

Best regards
Tobias

[8796Andrew]

Hi,

has anybody already trained HH to the kite? What where the results?

Best regards
Tobias
i flew mine to a helium ballon but he wouldnt commit to anything above 70 feet of height so i gave up-interesting post though

[Island Lad]

I cant ever see any hawk or accipiter being trained to a kite with any amount of success. Falcons in the wild have a natural tendency to ring up to a high altitude and wait on for there prey where as most hawks will chase there prey at a much lower level. A strange question but at the same time am not suggesting it to be impossible.

[Rex06]

I cant ever see any hawk or accipiter being trained to a kite with any amount of success. Falcons in the wild have a natural tendency to ring up to a high altitude and wait on for there prey where as most hawks will chase there prey at a much lower level. A strange question but at the same time am not suggesting it to be impossible.

Never seen a common buzzed soaring ? (its a natural tendency)

lolz couldn't resist, i am curious though to see if anyone has any buteo above 100 feet jsut for condtion training :)

[Leo 1]

i used a catapulted parashuet for my fhh

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

used to fly a MHH who would on breezy days, ring up (but i use the term loosley) to around 50-70 feet and then stoop to the glove, made for a great start to a demo.

ive heard of a gos being kite trained and hunted in a similar style to a game falcon. its not unusual to see spars soaring at a couple of hunderd feet up either.

buzzards and eagles can be kite trained, dont see any reason a HH cant either.

[DirtHawking]

Actually funny to see this post as I was just flipping through an old NAFA journal and there was an article concerning kite training a HH. It was in the 03 journal, maybe 04. I will see if I can find it again and scan it in.

[Salty]

i used a catapulted parashuet for my fhh

:roll::roll::lol:

[Joey]

used to fly a MHH who would on breezy days, ring up (but i use the term loosley) to around 50-70 feet and then stoop to the glove, made for a great start to a demo.

ive heard of a gos being kite trained and hunted in a similar style to a game falcon. its not unusual to see spars soaring at a couple of hunderd feet up either.

buzzards and eagles can be kite trained, dont see any reason a HH cant either.
seen many spar flights (wild ones) dropping out of the sky into flocks of starlings on the ground witnessed about 20 of these flights but never seen a harris go higher than 100 ft lol


joey

[Shaggy K]

i used a catapulted parashuet for my fhh

you MHH flys high up, even with no wind ive seen him get up really high

[Leo 1]

you MHH flys high up, even with no wind ive seen him get up really high

lol dun i tjust he doted out on me plenty of times aspesholy wen it proper windey

[Monti]

Actually funny to see this post as I was just flipping through an old NAFA journal and there was an article concerning kite training a HH. It was in the 03 journal, maybe 04. I will see if I can find it again and scan it in.
...would be great!

I think that all BOP are able to go up, whether by soaring or active power flight.
The more interesting point would be if it is possible to use this as training method under controlled circumstances, as kite training is.
I've heard of few goshawks that are trained with kites, although it seems to be not as easy as it is with falcons.
Maybe as a start, a direct flight to the kite from a long distance would work, to reach a basic fitness level, and then switch to ringing flights...
But would a HH do this?

[Island Lad]

Never seen a common buzzed soaring ? (its a natural tendency)

lolz couldn't resist, i am curious though to see if anyone has any buteo above 100 feet jsut for condtion training :)


ok fair point mate. :wink:

[Dayglo]

you MHH flys high up, even with no wind ive seen him get up really high


Mine goes really high, with a bit of breeze and has even (once) almost specked out. He just seems to really enjoy it. Still stoops back in to the lure even from altitude. Damn I should get some tx!

TB

[Aman]

Ive been Flying my Spar to the Kite with great results, she is going about 400 ft up if that but t is because i havnt pushed it anyhigher, i am also battling for wind. Their has been a definite improvement and she has begun to enjoy it as a drill during the week.
The Wild black spars that i have spotted overhere are often seen waiting on at unbeleivable pitches, stooping down at doves and pigeons their preferred quarry. I found that my bird would only go so high for a dead bait or its lure, but put something that flaps up their and its a different story:)

[WhiteTail]

Have a Kite trained male that will go up to 400-500ft every day with no wind or thermal lift (now without the kite) and waits on.


If anyones in the Monmouth area, there more than welcome to join me on weekends
for a looksi.

But be quick, buzzards are getting a bit cranki
so im going to have to end the season soon.

[Leo 1]

Have a Kite trained male that will go up to 400-500ft every day with no wind or thermal lift (now without the kite) and waits on.


If anyones in the Monmouth area, there more than welcome to join me on weekends
for a looksi.

But be quick, buzzards are getting a bit cranki
so im going to have to end the season soon.

had morti at 600feet give or take if i want him to go up he will go up lol ace to watch as u will no

[Flash]

we have had our harrises go up so high they just about disapear we have 1 hill in the borders its almost a certianty everytime the wind allways hits it just right we have caught bunnies and phesants like that

[WhiteTail]

we have had our harrises go up so high they just about disapear we have 1 hill in the borders its almost a certianty everytime the wind allways hits it just right we have caught bunnies and phesants like that

I have to say i did find hunting game off the soar more enjoyable with a Hawk than falcon.. certainly more sporting

I would avoid ground game as it really is too easy.

Most fun i had this year was hillside ferms & mixed wood,
flushing woodcock, some aswome flights off the soar & down through the trees, with only one in the bag, it was far more rewarding than ferreting & having a bag full.

[Dayglo]

Have to say, that sounds fantastic sport!

TB

[Ben C]

Have a Kite trained male that will go up to 400-500ft every day with no wind or thermal lift (now without the kite) and waits on.


If anyones in the Monmouth area, there more than welcome to join me on weekends
for a looksi.

But be quick, buzzards are getting a bit cranki
so im going to have to end the season soon.

Can we see some pictures? That sounds interesting.

I am not sure why people would kite train a Harris Hawk? They go up in a good wind on a slope as it is?

[Monti]

Can we see some pictures? That sounds interesting.



...keep going!:supz:

[Sean White]

Go on... Show us.

[Dirtwinger]

I had a mhh years ago that was a natural soarer. Even when hunting woods he would wait on a 100ft above the canopy for a hour at a time, very exciting bird to fly for a harris. There is also a falconer here in New Mexico who is taking jacks from 1000ft pitches with his fhh.

all the best Dirtwinger

[Rex06]

They go up in a good wind on a slope as it is?

Not in a country that is as flat as the sea...

the only possibilty we have is therminal soaring, but if ur bird does this , the first time they get so excited that they can soar so high. thet they ****** off without knowing

[Sean White]

Not in a country that is as flat as the sea...

the only possibilty we have is therminal soaring, but if ur bird does this , the first time they get so ecited that they can soar far off.

I had'nt considered this Rex and can see you point to a degree, ie the flat country. ..... but although the Harris is a naturally adaptive creature, is it the tool for the job ?

I'm not being dismissive of your post but flatland soaring with a Harris seems almost pointless as surely a more productive way to hunt would be off the fist ?

I always thought that a Harris on the soar is most productive with a maximum pitch of maybe 60-100 feet... anything more is wasted. This being said my quarry base is fur.

[Leo 1]

Not in a country that is as flat as the sea...

the only possibilty we have is therminal soaring, but if ur bird does this , the first time they get so excited that they can soar so high. thet they ****** off without knowing

lol i get that every seson as soon as the as fhh is off free she will go strat up with the exitmont of been off lol every year with out fail it is ace to watch and she has never refused to come bk down tho tutch wood never will:lol:

[Salty]

a think theres an essence of something developing on this thread, notice the [pics bit] werent replied:supz:;):lol:

[WhiteTail]

Im trying to load up some digital film..

it was done ona little cheapie.. memory card one..
Not great focus.. but you get the idea of perspective

we kept him a little lower than normal due to angry buzzards
but it just shows a harris can be trained to leave the fist & stay airbourne for a LONG time..

got a few technical issues



I have pluged the memory card in to the computer & its asking me to format it.. but i just want to read it..
Any clues?

[Salty]

in all honesty my harris soars no probs when im under him ,but nowhere near 500 feet or 1000 for that matter ;)id have to see it on vid coming back off the zoom ;)

[David Rampling]

They soar so easilly in any kind of updraught, once they learn that catching bunnys is easy from a hieght. So cant really see the benifit of kite training.

For a Harris, especially in the kind of countryside I hunt in, 500 ft would be too high, by the time the hawk had come down, the rabbit would be in cover. Thick cover needs a lower pich.

[WhiteTail]

They soar so easilly in any kind of updraught, once they learn that catching bunnys is easy from a hieght. So cant really see the benifit of kite training.

For a Harris, especially in the kind of countryside I hunt in, 500 ft would be too high, by the time the hawk had come down, the rabbit would be in cover. Thick cover needs a lower pich.

It a pain in the bum mate. .soaring harris hawks only look good to those who are too dumb to train there harris hawks to do it..

Its not sporting to most quarry
and only leads to them roaring off 2 miles to chase a pheasant down wind & taking an age to return!

[David Rampling]

It a pain in the bum mate. .soaring harris hawks only look good to those who are too dumb to train there harris hawks to do it..

Its not sporting to most quarry
and only leads to them roaring off 2 miles to chase a pheasant down wind & taking an age to return!

So kite training a Harris a harris would lead to serious problems? Here in Devon, too high would mean loss of focus on the handler, self hunting at check, and a good telemetry being in constant use, I think.

[WhiteTail]

So kite training a Harris a harris would lead to serious problems? Here in Devon, too high would mean loss of focus on the handler, self hunting at check, and a good telemetry being in constant use, I think.

without doubt.

My biggest problem is buzzards.. which if i get this stupid film loaded you will see..
A Harris can hold its own on the soar but a real angry adult male will stoop & slash.

Another problem i get is once up in the clouds they will sacrifice all that height to stoop a mole!

Soaring harris hawks are best un-entered & left adding a slightly new angle to generally boring Harris hawk demo's

[WhiteTail]

Ok.. i have been trying to load this on Facebook for ages now..
Its not a big vid.. it loaded one already. but the recent stuff i did.. isnt formatted or something..
(which in my little knowledge of computers i didnt know you still had to format stuff.. im from Nimbus days!)

can i format a memory card without damaging data on it?.. anyone..

how about you salty.. u seem to be the one in dire need of some Harris hawk education.. lol..

[David Rampling]

without doubt.

My biggest problem is buzzards.. which if i get this stupid film loaded you will see..
A Harris can hold its own on the soar but a real angry adult male will stoop & slash.

Another problem i get is once up in the clouds they will sacrifice all that height to stoop a mole!

Soaring harris hawks are best un-entered & left adding a slightly new angle to generally boring Harris hawk demo's

Same problem here with Buzzards. A nightmare! They could I think kill a young inexperience bird, and within 3/4 of a mile of a nest site they are truly dangerous, especially after christmas, when the hormones start!

[Kat67]

Ok.. i have been trying to load this on Facebook for ages now..
Its not a big vid.. it loaded one already. but the recent stuff i did.. isnt formatted or something..
(which in my little knowledge of computers i didnt know you still had to format stuff.. im from Nimbus days!)

can i format a memory card without damaging data on it?.. anyone..

how about you salty.. u seem to be the one in dire need of some Harris hawk education.. lol..

Why facebook:confused: try putting it onto photobucket:supz:

[WhiteTail]

Why facebook:confused: try putting it onto photobucket:supz:

Tried youtube also.. still having this loadup freeze

[WhiteTail]

Same problem here with Buzzards. A nightmare! They could I think kill a young inexperience bird, and within 3/4 of a mile of a nest site they are truly dangerous, especially after christmas, when the hormones start!

I was sat out in the garden yesterday & the pair of Buzzards came rowing across the sky & battered this lone male..
they would without doubt take a houbara out in fine style!.. lol

[Leo 1]

Ok.. i have been trying to load this on Facebook for ages now..
Its not a big vid.. it loaded one already. but the recent stuff i did.. isnt formatted or something..
(which in my little knowledge of computers i didnt know you still had to format stuff.. im from Nimbus days!)

can i format a memory card without damaging data on it?.. anyone..

how about you salty.. u seem to be the one in dire need of some Harris hawk education.. lol..

yuse photobuket will take u 2mins are e-mail it to some one how can hellp get it on :lol:

[John Ostranica]

Same problem here with Buzzards. A nightmare! They could I think kill a young inexperience bird, and within 3/4 of a mile of a nest site they are truly dangerous, especially after christmas, when the hormones start!

Hi David ,I used to fly my Fhh in a big valley which had a resident pair of Buzzards .At the beggining of the season my female would chase them to another wood acoss the vally, about a mile away. Were they would not return until the following season . It was good to watch her return ,very satisfied with herself and carry on hunting ....John

[Leo 1]

i have never had a problam with buzerds ther is loadson my land but they seam to stay away just wating on abive us watching bu never atempet do have a go at the birds tho

[WhiteTail]

still having problems loading up my vid

But when i tagged my film before upload it came up with this nice little clip

YouTube - Falconry. Young Male Harris Hawk on the soar

[Tony350i]

that was fantastic to watch Whitetail, it looks like he could stay up there all day. TC

[David Rampling]

Hi David ,I used to fly my Fhh in a big valley which had a resident pair of Buzzards .At the beggining of the season my female would chase them to another wood acoss the vally, about a mile away. Were they would not return until the following season . It was good to watch her return ,very satisfied with herself and carry on hunting ....John

You are lucky John, but your Buzzards sound like softys! Lol Or of course, your Harris might just be a tough one!

Although I have noticed a confident and aggressive hawk who takes the fight to the Buzzards, can often drive them away. It seems to be the young, and the passive laid back birds that suffer the most.

[WhiteTail]

that was fantastic to watch Whitetail, it looks like he could stay up there all day. TC

Just to note.. that was not my clip,

Im having big problems loading mine up..
Because its MP4 apparently..

got a tech mate working on it..

[Ben C]

When I have hunted and KILLED off the back end of a wind it has never been over 100ft. That clip shows a Harris at about 30ft.

[Sean White]

Just to note.. that was not my clip,

Im having big problems loading mine up..
Because its MP4 apparently..

got a tech mate working on it..


A nice little clip and the hawk seems to love it... Any more clips of soaring kills ?

[David Rampling]

When I have hunted and KILLED off the back end of a wind it has never been over 100ft. That clip shows a Harris at about 30ft.

100 feet or less is plenty high enough for most cover. Even from that hieght the stoop is terrific to watch.

The hieght a Harris can maintain depends on wind speed and the angle of the hill.

[8796Andrew]

still having problems loading up my vid

But when i tagged my film before upload it came up with this nice little clip

YouTube - Falconry. Young Male Harris Hawk on the soar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAmlAwqGsg)
looks like hes self hunting to me-id rather have him on my fist (personally)

[Sean D]

My little fella started to sore this season, only about 50ft but nice to watch

[WhiteTail]

looks like hes self hunting to me-id rather have him on my fist (personally)

I would go as far as to say that bird was not even hunting
it was just locked in to an idea with a blank mind and just went with it

I have a Harris here that hated Horses in its first year, he would soar in a very simular pattern. and end up drfiting down wind with no real object in mind