Chilian Blue eagle - We're getting one!

[Afshimo]

The centre I volunteer at, Turbary woods, birds of prey sanc, is gona be getting a chilian blue eagle, dont know if male or female, but to be honest, it doesnt matter! Best of all, it was me who spotted the Ad an told Mal, who rang the guy up and ordered the bird, so we're def on the waiting list and we have 19weeks to wait till we pick up the little monster!

so - 19 and counting....

I'll do a wekendly dairy for you, lots of pics, so you can see what they are like for training etc, and as helped em the bird in the first place, I'll be ahndlnig the monster too!

Everyones excited! whoooooooo!

Im calm

he he

thats it!( for now) bye!

[Shaun Byrne]

It will be a Female Hannah, nobody has managed to breed any males in the uk as of yet.

Watched Neil Mumby displaying his today, should probably have nicknamed it "Roadrunner" coz thats about all it does.

[Wilfred]

yeah sure you are calm...
just like me waiting for my next bird of prey and getting excited about it more and more waiting and waiting. Days go by very quick in fact but if you think about the new bird you will get this season it seems to go so very slowly.

[Moritz]

I am not clam at all and Shaun and Hannah know why. I just can't wait! The 30 July is going to be the day when the greatest time of my live starts!!!

Moritz

[Shaun Byrne]

I am not clam at all and Shaun and Hannah know why. I just can't wait! The 30 July is going to be the day when the greatest time of my live starts!!!

Moritz

Yep, thats when you start gutting rats and quail, cleaning out breeding chambers, fixing leaking roofs................. :D :D :D

[Moritz]

Yeah and learning more about falconry then ever before!

[Shaun Byrne]

Yeah and learning more about falconry then ever before!

No doubt about that!! :D

[Moritz]

Sorry Hannah that we stole your thread.

I hope you have fun with him/her. I like them a lot. I will see someone who has trained many of them before. I will ask him for some typs.
They are very good for Soaring.

Moritz

[OutFlying]

Will this Chilean Eagle ever used for hunting or is it destined to be be a piece of eye candy ?

[Kornie]

lol blunt as ever OF. Hannah 19 weeks is a hell of a long time but congrats anyway. By 19 weeks Ill be in america!!! indefinately!

[Afshimo]

lol OF, knowing Mal, he'll do a couple years display, then lend the bird out to a m8 for hunting, so he can concentrate on the display birds, I think thats the plan.

Ye, Im going crazy, cus for once I bothered about tellin him about the birds, he actually does somethin or is interested in the birds, and I helped him sort it lol. so yes, im calm calm calm calm calm...nope - WHOOOOOOOOOO! :) :) :) :)

oh moritz - u lucky sod of sods!!!! :)

[Goldie]

Will this Chilean Eagle ever used for hunting or is it destined to be be a piece of eye candy ?

No and Yes :lol: if they don't lose it

[Moritz]

Goldie by my experience they can get very close and loyal birds. At the center I worked they lost one at an outside display and it flew back to the center. In the past 10 years they never lost one. But they are probably one of the best and most experienced teams in the world. They do it since the 60s or 70s. They fly more eagles in their show then anything else.

Moritz

[Goldie]

In the past 10 years they never lost one. But they are probably one of the best and most experienced teams in the world.
Moritz

My point exactly :wink:

[Afshimo]

if you (goldie and OF) want to start a thread on centre's versus hunting falconers - do so! but I WILL NOT be contributing, cus I cant be bothered with nit-picking, who's better than who and so on and so forth and thing that make ppl argue like 5 year olds. As far as I'm concerned, I am a display falconer, and am happy doing so and my birds are happy doing display work, if they wernt, I wouldnt be doing it! Sry to be blunt, but im gettin fed up with ppl makin stabs at us display falconers

This thread is about a weekendly diary of the prep and training a chilian blue eagle, please keep to it!

[OutFlying]

look up the defination of falconry, then invent another title for keeping a bop for display purposes only - maybe pet hawk / falcon keeper :oops:

[Moritz]

Outflying she says she flys her birds for displays but she also hunts. There for she is a dispaly falconer. Go and tell Tom Graham and JPJ that they are not falconers.

Moritz

[OutFlying]

Hannah does not hunt or has caught anything yet ...

[OutFlying]

Tommy Graham, hunts - his center also offers the chance to witness hunting ------- most centers don't hunt -----FACT ----- the birds are only used for displays , never used for hunting.

[ColdZero]

she is a bird flyer, but the point of this thread is the training of her new pet so discussing the definition of a falconer should be on a different thread

[OutFlying]

eagle a pet ??????????????????? Thanks Cold Zero thats sum's it up very well.

[Afshimo]

What about the falcon, El Cid, he's at the centre, he belongs to the centre, he has hunted - see his thread.
What about the female Red, kyle, hunting at 3lb 2? she's hunted rabbit.
What about the harris hawk Bet, she's hunted. What about the harris blue? He's hunted. What about the ferug? he's hunted. What about the gyr/saker Jake and Nilo? they have both done pest control and been successful. What about the female european we have down there? (forgot her name) she's hunted, 2 rabbits - not bad for some measly owl keepers no?

Oh yes, no of my info is of any use to you is it? im just a measly good for nothing pet falcon keeper. I just have birds to look pretty, stand nice, no you dont want to read what I say, cus thats who I am - a display falconer. An owl keeper. A pet raptor keeper. A falconer who has never hunted - but I dont see you saying go and find somewhere to hunt?

We (turbary woods centre) dont offer the chance to witness hunting, as we havn't got enough birds that are hunting reguly at the moment to do a proper hunting day.
what about books that talk about displays??

Trainig birds of prey -JPJ
the modern falconer - Diana Durman walters
and def other books I havnt read yet.

Thats the thing with displays, it just modern falconry, like the invention of telemetry, you use telem dont you? without, we'd loose a good few more birds wouldn't we? Display falconers promote falconry, but leave training other falconers to the falconers who hunt. But I doubt anyone who thinks display falconers are phoneys have read this - cus what im saying to you right now, must be a load of nothin?

There are good and bad display falconers around here, and I have encountered both types.

Hannah Brookes - Display falconer - measly owl keeper

If you got anythin to say about above - PM me.

[GoneHawking]

Sounds like your in trouble now Jim 8)
Hannah with a tongue and attitude like that, have you ever hunted :lol: if so what weight did you fly at :shock:

[OutFlying]

Hannah,
My point is not directed personally at you, but you have harped on about this Chilean blue eagle since the falconers fair, if it was being bought to try and find out if it was a suitable falconry eagle then fair play - but it appears to be bought solely on looks for a display purpose only and won't even be try on quarry - This I don't feel is a good thing, maybe you do and that's what your entitled to think.

I think you'll find I offered advise regarding a suitable hawk for you to begin hunting with due to your circumstances but you choose to ignore it or reply (again this is your right). I've no need to pm you, if I want to say anything I'll do it in public and I'll answer it in the same way.

Yours Jim.

[Afshimo]

lol, I havnt hunted as you can guess, the bird have been hunted, I only know a few of the weights though. The fem harris, Bet, was like 1lb 15, the male was 1lb 9 1/2, no idea what sid the ferug flew at, he had his toe bitten off after chasing a squirrel. Jake was around 1lb 14, no idea about Milo, bout around the same if not bigger. The fem euro I was told, was more scared of the rabbits to begin with, but became better as she got out and missed a few. It took ages to condition her to catch her rabbits!

[Afshimo]

knowing Mal, he'll do a couple years display, then lend the bird out to a m8 for hunting, so he can concentrate on the display birds, I think thats the plan.

U asked me that question before OF, he will be hunted, just later on. We already know they are suitable eagles, the falconers at eagle heights do anyway, but we dont. So yes, we are finding out if this bird is a suitable eagle for falconry. We didnt buy the bird solely on looks, but that was a big factor, also the fact that its a different type of eagle for the public to see and learn about.

[Kornie]

I must say I have seen eagles go to waste by folk who dont want ot put in the time and for me to put a bird which naturaly has a territory of hundred sq miles (not accurate figures) in a 5x5x5 box isn't fair. If I owned an eagle id work it so hard hed have wished he could have been a display bird.

Not having a pop at display falconers as without them were would we be. We count on them to educate the public about BOP's and falconry. Just stuck as to why anyone would want USE eagles.

[Wingless]

"We already know they are suitable eagles, the falconers at eagle heights do anyway"

Just a minor point, the chilean blue at the falconers fair didn't belong to eagle heights, it belonged to Steve Trippit. :) I think they are just funny coloured buzzards myself, how they ever became known as "eagles"? ... That's for another thread! Oh and as far as centres not hunting with their birds... i don't know many people who hunt with a bald eagle anyway!

Oh and although most centres probably don't hunt with all of their birds, i would say most have some that are used for hunting purposes, you couldnt possibly do displays in the first place if every single bird was an experience hunter. We also have 3 falconers who work during the summer in order that they can have the winter off to do nothing but hunt with their own birds - thats as commited to "falconry" as it gets!

[Varmint]

OF get a fcking life mate, rather than picking on little girls who show passion and excitement for good reason, you try to drag them down for not being "Hunters", did you get to fly an Eagle when you were 14 ( let me guess (prob a Harpy ??)

I hunt and display but i suppose im not a real falconer either eh?

go and find someone your own size.......

Have fun hannah, and i hope you catch loads with it kid :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Calm down Ade :lol:

[Sparrie]

Well said Varmint.

[Lanner Nut]

OF get a fcking life mate, rather than picking on little girls who show passion and excitement for good reason, you try to drag them down for not being "Hunters", did you get to fly an Eagle when you were 14 ( let me guess (prob a Harpy ??)

I hunt and display but i suppose im not a real falconer either eh?

go and find someone your own size.......

ditto...

good luck hannah, :D

[Bubo]

OF you really are something sometimes, you certainly put dampers on this thread and her excitement... Hannah, some of us know just how infatuated you are in eagles so go for it gal. You cant learn if you don't. Just make sure that diary will be kept upto scratch :wink:

Bubo

[Tim Laycock]

All OutFlying has done is asked relevant, Valid questions about a thread!
Lay off!
I have no problem with Hannah or what she does or how she does it for that matter and I dont for one moment think that Jim does either.
The questions asked are valid and the views aired are similar to my own.
There is nothing wrong with probing questions and points of view expressed in Jims usual blunt yet inoffensive manner.
If he hadnt done it I would have gone down the same road :|

I have very little time for those that swim against the tide of common sense! I believe this applies here to OFs detractors :roll:

[Falconer1000]

hannah, well done you should be proud of what you have accomplished you still young( i youst to hate when people said that to me) and at the start of your carer as a FALCONER! LOL :lol:
i keep my birds at a hotel in the country and do displays most weekends
but by doing this it allows me to have proberbley more sport than most people juring the season i'm out hunting literly every day with good sucess i might add how many other people can honestly say that?
so if there is anyone that thinks that people who do displays ain't falconers please feel free to come and visit me i'll show you wot a bop displayer can do with a hhawk and a spaniel.
i really think hannah is a good example of how to start in falconry i don't know if she has any of her own birds but she clearly has people around her for guidence and in time if she chooses she will have great fun hunting .
bye x

[Bubo]

Questions are fine but sometimes they way things are put manage to get hackles up and peeps on the defensive. If you're on an open forum have an open mind.

bubo

[ColdZero]

i'm out hunting literally everyday

i think the point is between you and bird flyer is that you hunt...therefore a falconer. I don't know why people are so defencive about this, a bird flyer is someone who owns a BOP but does not let it hunt. Why is this an argument, or even considered rude to say?

[Tim Laycock]

I like this CZ! this is definatly not a "pointless post" :D

People missing the point OF has made?
The comparison was made between a falconer that does displays only and one that hunts with any degree of regularity and the vast gulf of difference between the two!
Age and how you start out in falconry has no bearing on this what so ever!
I had trained and entered my first spar by the age of 10 and I diddnt do that at a falconry centre display!!!!!!!!!!!

[Falconer1000]

i agree but to get technical a "falconer" i someone who hunts with falcons
who gose around calling them self an "astringer" ? i am new to this so i guess i'm a little touchey, but i dont like being labled i treasure my birds above every thing else and i am honoured to be doing what i do, it wasn't easy starting out for me as i'm sure it was the same for a lot of people
i'm fortunate enough to have a lot of time to spend with my birds so i can get the best out of them, i simply dont think it is fair to pick on hannah when she is a young girl with a lot of ambishsion and enthousiam.

[Tim Laycock]

"astringer"

Austringer?

I do for one!! there are others also :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

Yep me too. I am an Austringer (even with a Harris)........Perhaps I should call myself a Buteoist instead. :) :) I quite like that.

I think its also safe to say that Hannah isn't in charge of what they buy for her centre.....so even though I am dubious, the argument rests squarely on the shoulders of the owner does it not??

I would like to see what one looks like Hannah, so when you get a chance.

[Ben C]

i'm out hunting literly every day with good sucess i might add how many other people can honestly say that?

I can.

[Tim Laycock]

Yep me too. I am an Austringer (even with a Harris)........Perhaps I should call myself a Buteoist instead
Yes Ben I like this too, Make the term famous!
Dont taint "Austringer" with your crow!!! Rpmsl :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Liam Hay]

Hahahahaha this has become an amusing thread, OF is quite right what he asked and Hannah your quite right to defend, don't worry Hannah when u come out hawking with us u will c falconry at its best!Dont taint "Austringer" with your crow!!! Rpmsl

don't forget tim i still have 2 LOL

[Tim Laycock]

don't forget tim i still have 2 LOL
:oops:
I know Its wicked to mock the afflicted but dont come crying to me about it!!! Rpmslfoc :D :D :D :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

us buteoists wouldn't dein to be welcomed in your company anyway, you lower class Ass stringer. :)

[Bubo]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kornie]

I have very little time for those that swim against the tide of common sense! I believe this applies here to OFs detractors Rolling Eyes

Wow, what an expression blackbird, I like that a lot.

Valid points are all being made here, OF is only expressing his views of which he obviously feel storngly about. I agree with a lot of what OF, only difference being he didn't beat around the bush and just came out and said it.

BenC, form here on I will refer to myself as a Buteoist, thats is just plain cool. 8)

[Tim Laycock]

you lower class Ass stringer.
Ben. Check the definition of austringer in one of your books!

I think you will find that it is I who is the austringer and you that is in fact the Ass Stringer :mrgreen: lmao :lol:

Cheers Kornie :mrgreen:

[Falconer1000]

Austringer?

I do for one!! there are others also

sorry i didn't mean to offend anyone i was simply tryn to make a point, (clearly didn't work) but i do like buteoist could catch on

[OutFlying]

Ass stringer - isn't that a medical condition caused whilst wearing a thong went out in the field hawking with harris hawks :lol:

[Ben C]

Yeah, but its normal to wear a thong when out hunting with a Harris....................Isn't it? I bet JPJ did, and emma ford, and well I am not sure about Jack Mavro, but I bet his boyfriend did! :)

[OutFlying]

Did Jack Mav floss with it :oops: ?

[Tim Laycock]

Ass stringer - isn't that a medical condition caused whilst wearing a thong went out in the field hawking with harris hawks
PMSL :lol:

I bet JPJ did
Thanks for that Imagery Ben, You truly are vile at times(If there was a smilie for a bowed head, shaking in disbelief you would see it here!!!) :lol:

[Ben C]

AWWWW S**T that thought leaves a nasty taste in the mouth mate!!!! :)

[BrianM]

yep ive went right off my tea

[OutFlying]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

:vom: I feel like Alice in chunderland :vom:

[Sparrie]

All these terms. Would this make me a buteobuteoist. :D

Gary

[MickeyDredd]

Yep me too. I am an Austringer (even with a Harris)........Perhaps I should call myself a Buteoist instead. :) :) I quite like that.


Sorry to get technical but should it not be a parabuteoist? :)

Although that me suggest we have some kind of disability!! :?

[Tim Laycock]

Although that me suggest we have some kind of disability!!
What the parabuteoist or his charge!! Rpmsl :mrgreen: :lol:

[Ben C]

**** off gentlemen :).....................I shall get back to you on this one! :)

[Bubo]

Although that me suggest we have some kind of disability!!
What the parabuteoist or his charge!! Rpmsl :mrgreen: :lol:

ACE :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Adam Barrett]

Did the centre ever get the eagle hannah? if so hows it going?

[MattSpar]

I can see no valid reason why anyone who chooses to fly a bird recreationally (as opposed to flying at quarry) should be so villified. To even appear to look down on those who either cannot, or choose not to do so is not only unnecessarily disparaging, but makes one appear to have a chip on one's shoulder. Why on earth should such a person not call him or herself a falconer? Surely the "You're-not-a-falconer-you-don't-catch-things-like-me" syndrome is farcical. Have fun with your eagle Hannah.

[Stephen]

find a pic of a chilien blue

[MickeyDredd]

I will witness a female Chilean hunting next Saturday in the Scottish mountains where blue hare will be the quarry, so i'll let you know if its worth £2 grand more than my red tail :wink: :D

[Hells99]

That's brilliant news about the Chilean Blue! I found out today that the centre I volunteer at is getting a Chilean Blue next weekend so when you get yours, you'll have to invite me down to see it (where is your centre by the way?).

The one I help out at is in Cambridgeshire and if you'd like a visit, I'd love to show you round but you can have a squiz at their website at www.raptorfoundation.org.uk

I don't know much about the one we are getting - it was just mentioned as I was feeding up tonight so I didn't really have a chance to ask. I know it's being picked up from Gatwick next weekend and that's all I know! I'll try to find out some more tomorrow.

Helen

[Afshimo]

Hiya,

Hells: I'd love for you to come and see the birds lol, except see paragrapg below! If you want to come see anyway, PM and I'll help you out if you need. We're in Whitestake, near Preston. back of a garden centre. Your invited down anyways, and I;d love to have a look round your centre sometime definatly, might have some time this christmas if Im allowed. All the best and have a great time with your eagle!

For the chiliean, we couldnt get one, too low on the waiting list and Mal found another seller for imported rather than captive bred and was going for that but was let down also. I think he might try for next year but atm, we have enough eagles to keep us busy!

young female Bald
12yo Tawny eagle
11 or so yr old steppe eagle
our pair of steppe eagles

The bald eagle has become tempermental towards humans, and you smart and knowlageable falconer's should know why! I wiont anything more on the subject except I hope we can do something quick about her.

The tawny and steppe that are in togther (oldies) moulting ATM so we can't do much and we are thinking about getting the young pair out and flying till they are old enough for hunting but they are discussing it now or later.

One or two arguments whent on at the centre and things are just coming back to normal and we can the birds and ourselves sorted.

Isnt life fun!

We also red kites, black kites, gymnoge's, cape horned owl?, milky eagle owl, kookaburah, a tiercel peregrine (so sweet lol) and baby owls here and there. Mainly european and bengal.

Thanks!

Han

[The Egyptian]

OF get a fcking life mate, rather than picking on little girls who show passion and excitement for good reason, you try to drag them down for not being "Hunters", did you get to fly an Eagle when you were 14 ( let me guess (prob a Harpy ??)

I hunt and display but i suppose im not a real falconer either eh?

go and find someone your own size.......

Have fun hannah, and i hope you catch loads with it kid :wink:

Get a life Jim lol pmsl well in Varmint like your style I thaught it was just me who new OF was a tool' :supz:

[MickeyDredd]

Get a life Jim lol pmsl well in Varmint like your style I thaught it was just me who new OF was a tool' :supz:

here we go again :roll: :roll:

[The Egyptian]

here we go again :roll: :roll:

Sorry Dread carnt resist it mate no offence if it's doin your head in just like the banter :lol:

[Adam Barrett]

only brought this thread up again to see if the eagle ever did materialise- the banter is in the past mate-lol

[MickeyDredd]

Sorry Dread carnt resist it mate no offence if it's doin your head in just like the banter :lol:

not doing my head in mate, its just that this is a very old thread and its not really banter to abuse someone in this way.

and from what I know of Jim, he has more experience and knowledge on falconry, accipiters in general, than you and I will ever have so I would not personally call him a "tool"

But thats just me! :lol:

[The Egyptian]

not doing my head in mate, its just that this is a very old thread and its not really banter to abuse someone in this way.

and from what I know of Jim, he has more experience and knowledge on falconry, accipiters in general, than you and I will ever have so I would not personally call him a "tool"

But thats just me! :lol:

Well I surpose he's a valuable tool 2 THE TRADE OF FALCONRY THEN MATE HEY;)

[Adam Barrett]

yea, a lot of knowlage, good guy.
Didnt want any of this to be brought up just wondered about the bird, was actually gonna pop up have a look at him.
Lets just leave it then lads?

[OutFlying]

:goodman: No offense taken, if you ask Hannah - she will tell you the reasons behind my post. Some things are clear to some people but who cares.

Jim.

[Adam Barrett]

good jim-didnt want to cause any **** again-lol
Im hawking at michaels farm and the neighboring one tommorow-mainly rabbit i think taking a couple of ferrtes etc if your heading up there let me know-would love to see the gos fly mate.
All the best
Adam

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just read this thread! If the Baldie needs sorting Hannah give me a pm, These things are fixable. Anyone having a go can * off for her age shes a better falconer than I was, and if she ever wants advice or to see what I do with Goldens and Gyr shes got an open invite if her parents are ok with that.

[Kornie]

Yes Jim was blunt, but nothing he said was unreasonable! merely expressing his views.

[Aquilla]

Im trying to track down a mountain hawk eagle for next year! Anybody know any breeders?

[Osiris]

possibly Mr. Andrew K.Brown - not sure tho

hope your ready to part with your lifes savings :D

[Afshimo]

Hiya,

sorry Im a bit late on this one, but I didnt see it.

Jim did apologise (i think :p) and told me his reasons, which I understand. He's a great guy and hope he has a good time with his gos! Everyone's entitled to their views. His knowlage on accipiter's is amazing, shame about the spar you trained but ppl will learn alot through the thread.

I'll send you a pm with about the baldie K, and Mum and Dad are happy for me to come out anytime you're free or hunting or whatever, any experiance is brilliant and appreciated (christmas is a good time :P) I love eagles so if you can show how you handle and train your male (thread was brill) it'll make my day!

Thanks very much!

Han

[OutFlying]

Thanks Hannah

All the best Jim.

[K8i]

hey hannah how cum no1 said out about the Chilian Blue to me!?

Why im always da last to find out?

have dey found jake yet. i hpe he is ok. c ya at da centre

katie

[MickeyDredd]

hey hannah how cum no1 said out about the Chilian Blue to me!?
Why im always da last to find out?
have dey found jake yet. i hpe he is ok. c ya at da centre


Jesus, Ali G has joined the forum:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

[K8i]

hey hannah

how come no1 said anything to me about da centre gettin a chilian Blue eagle!?

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Jesus, Ali G has joined the forum:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
PMSL!

[Afshimo]

lol, dont b mean, she's ma m8, K8i! :p

Jake has been found ye.

The chilian was somethin of the HF's idea, then he was gona get a pair, now he's got the tawny and baldy so he isnt bothering.

PM comin ure way... wont be in now till next sat if that!! Wally's takin me birds for a week so I can have abit of a holiday over new year, glad 2 c u finally made it! bout time to if I can say!!!!! :p

BTW, most people on the forum use long hand, or slightly shortened, otherwise u get ****ed about like K and MD!!

Have a nice time on here!

Introduce yourself!

[MickeyDredd]

Hannah

I wasnt being mean, hence the smileys ;)

I do however hope though that your advice that this isnt an internet text site is taken on board - I'm 41 years old (yesterday!) and like many old f*rts hate that shortened text language :!: :)

[Afshimo]

i nkow lol, sorry, should have made it more clear, but on here, more people use long hand, like goin or somethin, but she used stuff like u, dat, da - Ali G words.

have a happy new year! my sides are splittin from watchin the fart in the martix!!!!! woooo!

[Barry]

Hi Hannah, avoiding much of the critical comment coming through I thought I'd say a little of what I have experienced with these very nice birds.
A friend in Northampton bought an imported Chilean about four years ago, a female called Rio. Over flat ground in Northampton the bird proved very willing to go up on thermals and light wind to very good height and stoop in to the glove during demonstrations. Such was her ability that Mike decided to take her hunting. She worked hard and showed huge promise in waiting on flight, but as is often the case away from hill country with big birds, Mike could not get game out under her. Frustrated at her wasted promise in demo's he sold her to a keen but inexperienced friend of mine up here in Scotland. Getting a real handle on her weight was tricky as far as I could see. She did however fly beautifully and would follow, even through light woods very loyally. The bird was brought up to the gathering of eagles 2005 where up in the mountains she flew white hares hard from the fist but failed to connect. She would also wait on in the wind magnificently. We put much game under at heights in excess of 1000' but sadly she did not stoop them, more work on weight required as she would stoop fantastically to the fist from up there and as I mentioned, chase hares from the fist very hard at the same weight. I consider the potential in waiting on flights at hares to be huge. Please take your bird hunting and have a great time. Good luck.
Barry.

[Afshimo]

she sounded a good bird! How old (approx) was she? What weight was she for fat, hunting and following on etc? I'd love to hunt an eagle one day, but im waiting till I stop gettin carried off by them lol - 5 ft 1!

Do you fly any bop? I got a nice tiercel gyr/saker and loaning a female lanner.

Any info you got on eagles please tell lol. Any pics of the chiliean?

Thanks very much, happy hawking!

[MickeyDredd]

I consider the potential in waiting on flights at hares to be huge.

Has anyone ever caught a hare with one to your knowledge?

[Barry]

The guy that has Rio up here says he has caught a few rabbits and one brown hare with her from the fist, but sadly I can't verify that although I have no reason to disbelieve him. The birds that people on here have bought this year are also probably from the same guy. He bought an established pair from the English School of Falconry (?) which had produced fertile eggs but no young. After seven eggs last year he finally got a clutch of three, two females and a male. All have been sold. They are beautiful. I had hoped to be getting one myself as I led this guy to Rio and helped him get going as best I could. He once quoted to me that 'If I ever breed these birds I'm keeping the first one and the second one is yours as a thank you'. Funny how things change when you can see the chance of a wad of cash. I have tried to encourage him to rest the female this year. Last year she made seven eggs then raised three young alone as the adults fell out and the male was removed. Because of the two failed clutches she has little time to recover from her efforts and the birds are copulating now. I know all this as they guy is my neighbour and two of my pairs of falcons are in the same aviary block.

I honestly believe the potential is huge. The birds are friendly, non-threatening, loyal if at the right weight and seem very willing to chase game. A little work at weights for waiting on flights I am sure would have a stunning and spectacular game hawk working for you. These could be a poor mans Bonellis'. I don't mean that as an insult, rather a compliment as a good Bonellis' is a hard act to follow, these birds could be 90% as good at a fraction of the cost and much less stress. Like a good Harris against a good Gos'. Anyway, just my opinion.

Barry.

[MickeyDredd]

Thanks for the reply.

I personally feel the tail will be too short to have sufficient turning ability to take a jinking hare regularly, although the feet are a good size so it should be possible from a stooping flight from a waiting on position.

[Barry]

The tail is short, but it is incredibly wide. In addition the secondaries are so long that powered turns from wing movement are very effective, like an aircraft turning using wing flaps rather than tail rudder.

[AndyYounger]

Hi Hanna
How are you getting on with the chilean?
I Hope you are having as much fun as i have had with mine.

[MickeyDredd]

Andy

I dont think they got one in the end.

ps Where's my photos ya b*gger :lol: :lol:

[Pink_Eagle]

hi hello im a new member, we have just recently aquired a juvinile chillean and are hoping to get him hunting soon, amazing to see flying and excellent temperament

[Hacker]

Hello Sophie and welcome to the forum.
Let`s see some pic`s of the birdie.

[AndyYounger]

Hi Sophie
Where did you get the chilean from?
and how are you getting on with it.

[Pink_Eagle]

just wondering how hannah is gettin on with training the chilean, we got ours from scotland, hes only 6 months old but excellent temperament, hoods and is doing excellent wind work, im afraid i dnt know how 2 put pics on could sum 1 give me a clue?

[BFC 007]

goto manage attachments sophie which is below the message reply box :wink:
from there you just browse through your pics on your pc & select. make sure they are the right size though.

[AndyYounger]

Hi sophie i will presume you are from the raptor foundation. if you are and have any photos of your male with his hood on i would love to see them.
Cheers
Andy

[Moses]

Get a life Jim lol pmsl well in Varmint like your style I thaught it was just me who new OF was a tool' :supz:


bros hows u, well what jim said to u at the time bros so would any responsible falconer, u went out and bought a harris hawk when u knew nothing about them at all or falconry just after a day out in a falconry place u decided ok i want one and then u wanted tae learn everything later, he was trying tae help u at the time but u didnt bother answering any questions and took a huff



and hannah so happy for u luv all the best with your eagle, jim is a very nice lad, even when he speaks tae me sometimes he can be blunt, i rather have someone not pussy footing around and telling me straight and not beating around the bush, i rather have a guy thats honest telling me aff, one thing jim is not a snide or a lowlife arrogant c;unt

so egyptian u r wrong their mate about jim, trust me i had telling affs worse than u ever did from jim and i appreciated it, coz he was right

[Moses]

not doing my head in mate, its just that this is a very old thread and its not really banter to abuse someone in this way.

and from what I know of Jim, he has more experience and knowledge on falconry, accipiters in general, than you and I will ever have so I would not personally call him a "tool"

But thats just me! :lol:

ditto mate well said

[BrianM]

Jesus, Ali G has joined the forum:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
rrpmsl

[Jackson]

[QUOTE=Varmint]OF get a fcking life mate, rather than picking on little girls who show passion and excitement for good reason, you try to drag them down for not being "Hunters", did you get to fly an Eagle when you were 14 ( let me guess (prob a Harpy ??)

i dont think it matters whether u use a bird for display or to hunt with as long as the bird is happy!!!! however i think you've raised an important issue! Hannah is only 14!!!!!! most centres dont even let people fly eeo at this age! It worries me that shes so young and is already picking up and training an Eagle. I no it is more experiance than age that counts in falconry. however 14 is extremely young. jus thought id point that out as it did concern me!!!!!!!! Its great thats your excited hannah anyone would be but dont treat the eagle like a you mite a dog (A PET) Eagles need to be respected!!!! so be careful!!! and gud luck

[Moses]

spider

one thing i can vouch for mate, hannah is a very passionate lil girl, she dreams falconry , i think she will keep it up for a long time just like the other girls who luv horses and do show jumping and carry it on when their older, so would she do falconry proud in the near future

[AndyYounger]

Moses
i dont think the center hanna is at ever got the chilean!

[Moses]

lol thanks andy just noticed this is an old thread :D i thought it was a new one

cheers for pointing it oot tae me

hannah, well what happened :D

[Jackson]

spider

one thing i can vouch for mate, hannah is a very passionate lil girl, she dreams falconry , i think she will keep it up for a long time just like the other girls who luv horses and do show jumping and carry it on when their older, so would she do falconry proud in the near future
im sure she is and thats not wot i was worrid about. i was more worrid on the safety side

[Afshimo]

Hiya,

Thank you very much moses! Jim knows whats what, he has his opinions and he's an ace austringer and strait to the point.

They didnt get the chilian eagle, instead other eagles.

I'll only handle the eagle if the handler say's so, and most of them know their eagle inside out so if it's ok by them, I just keep them away from my face and normally wear a wide brimmed hat (it's not just to look good!)and a decent thick glove.

I've held male and female goldie, tawny, steppe, bateleur and flown a male baldie. It was great, best thing ever and really make you appreciate the time that goes in. Yeah, they were very heavy after just red and harris's and falcons, the female goldie was around 10lb, the male 7 1/2lb and the male baldie about the same. I had to hold the goldie for 3mins and my arm was eal funny afterwards. But the feet, even though she didnt grip, you could feel the power there, and her head towered above me (only 5ft 1 lol!!!)

I would try training one just yet, i dont have the knowlage, strength, time, money etc but I do dream of having an eagle one day, move somewhere with good hunting ground and see what happens. I enjoy seein em with good falconer's and gettin what eagles deserve. ATM, Im gettin lots of support and trying to get my bird shi up, and giving Jabbu lots of TLC and hopefully nearing displays maybe. When she goes back, Im hoping to get a braodwing to look after next, and like someone said before, help sort the land near me. If off to check the land now, and do some training with shiro.

see you,

hannah

[Moses]

im sure she is and thats not wot i was worrid about. i was more worrid on the safety side


i know mate no worries, personally i wouldnt wanna tame or keep a eagle, thats for experienced and folk that have been doing it fae yrs, wouldnt be nice to see your eagle go and pick up a wee dog and kill it and its true what u r saying about safety



hi hannah u wont need to worry aboot owning one, your falconry im sure would always have one their for u to handle

eagles r awesome and beautiful birds, but its the responsibilty that comes wae it

[Palmer]

9992
Very nice!!!:supz:

[Hells99]

LOL! Our little 6mth old lad at the foundation will take a long time to look like that! He is very elegant tho with stunningly big looking wings and although his feet are big they don't look as big as they actually are - beautiful proportions to him and a really 'kind' expression.

[Biarmicus]

i dont think it matters whether u use a bird for display or to hunt with as long as the bird is happy!!!!

I agree with what Spider is saying...

My personal opinion is, as long as the bird is in good health, not mistreated, exercised and not ignored, whats it matter if the bird is not hunted. The people that don't hunt their birds may be ahead in the game when it comes to avian diseases contracted through numerous game species. I have absolutely no problem with hunting with birds of prey, that is the idea of falconry. But with Avian Flu (especially the H5N1 strain of this virus), West Nile Virus, New Castle Disease Virus and numerous strains of Falcon (FHV) and Owl Herpesvirus (OHV) contracted by the raptor ingesting pigeons infected with Pigeon Herpesvirus (PHV). While either a hunting or non-hunting bird is still at risk of ending up with any of the dieases mentioned above, the birds that don't hunt will have a lesser risk of getting ill, I believe, mostly because they are not hunting potentally infected game.

Brittney :)

[AndyYounger]

Hi helen.
i am not 100% sur but i think this is the male you have with his mum!

[AndyYounger]

sorry there should have been a photo there.
Give me a bit time to figure out how to put a photo on.

[AndyYounger]

this should be it!

[AndyYounger]

sorry that pic was **** quality and huge. this should be better.

Rio a 5 year old female

[AndyYounger]

this is rio

[Hells99]

That was so kind of you, very much appreciated. I'll ask Liz if I can post a pic of him as he is now. :P