"Ros" the Gos. 2005 Imprint Goshawk

[Tim Laycock]

I picked up my 2005 eyass Goshawk yesterday. He is a pure Finnish Bird and this morning weighs 1lb 4oz empty, He is 15 days old.
It turned out to be a five hour drive to collect him and it was an interesting trip! My slap happy driving style nearly made it game over for PCHay and myself a grand total of three times but at least the long journey home passed without incident.
He woke me at six this morning pecking at his food dish because he had eaten the two chicks I had left him with overnight so I butchered a quail and he wolfed half of it in one sitting.
He was weighed and prior to feeding him we did a little hood work. The hood was left in his tank all night<Btw>.
I popped the hood on him for about a second (Braces struck) and removed it. I repeated this three times then the fourth time I let it sit on his head (struck) and quickly placed his food in the tank, Then I removed the hood and dropped it beside him.
When he was full I picked up the hood and offered it to him, he nibbled it then put his head inside!
Good lad!
Will post pictures as soon as I get new photo editor software.

[Jastreb]

Congratulations to the new GOS DAD :D :supz: :prayer: !
Cheers man!
What will be his name?

[Jastreb]

Soory I missed the name in the post, well thats happen when you see PURE FINNISH GOS in title!
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

Congratulations to the new GOS DAD
Thanks Viktor, Im having a bit of a party today :drinkers: :lol:

[Ben C]

See now I've been banging on about you and your Spar, then you change it to a gos...................I haven't been thinking again have I.....Doh?? :) :)

[Liam Hay]

he aint lying about the driving LOL

[Tim Laycock]

:oops: :lol:

[Falcon]

pictures BB! pics please!!!!! nice one

[Tim Laycock]

Could not get a Spar for love nor money this year!
Still Im sure he will keep me entertained :D :twisted: :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

Have you read the right books though BB? And have you been on the correct course mate, don't come running to us buteoists when it all go(e)s tits up :) :) :) :)

[M & J Raptors]

I picked up my 2005 eyass Goshawk yesterday. He is a pure Finnish Bird and this morning weighs 1lb 4oz empty, He is 15 days old.
It turned out to be a five hour drive to collect him and it was an interesting trip! My slap happy driving style nearly made it game over for PCHay and myself a grand total of three times but at least the long journey home passed without incident.
He woke me at six this morning pecking at his food dish because he had eaten the two chicks I had left him with overnight so I butchered a quail and he wolfed half of it in one sitting.
He was weighed and prior to feeding him we did a little hood work. The hood was left in his tank all night<Btw>.
I popped the hood on him for about a second (Braces struck) and removed it. I repeated this three times then the fourth time I let it sit on his head (struck) and quickly placed his food in the tank, Then I removed the hood and dropped it beside him.
When he was full I picked up the hood and offered it to him, he nibbled it then put his head inside!
Good lad!
Will post pictures as soon as I get new photo editor software.


BB

An imprint ? i thought you were a passage or pr man, :shock: never thought you would join the ranks, what will certain people say :lol:

who bred the chap ?


BC

[Tim Laycock]

Have you read the right books though BB?
I dont follow a "Recipie" Ben. I'll cook it to my taste as I go along :D

BC
I have always had respect for imprinted birds, but I have never had the time or the right situation to do this with a Goshawk. I had a Spar coming but that has passed me by and the Gos just seemed easier than chasing a spar that I probably wouldnt get.

I got him from a bloke in Gwent called Martin. Very nice chap.
While I was there I viewed wis donor tiercel and my birds mothers sister.(EH?:lol:) They were impressive birds but he was unsure whos lines they came from?

[Finnish]

Come on then let's see some pics of the boy. :wink:

[Falcon]

he's too busy bonding Finish! :mrgreen: :lol: :wink: you know the thing the proud father and all that :lol: :wink:

[M & J Raptors]

Have you read the right books though BB?
I dont follow a "Recipie" Ben. I'll cook it to my taste as I go along :D

BC
I have always had respect for imprinted birds, but I have never had the time or the right situation to do this with a Goshawk. I had a Spar coming but that has passed me by and the Gos just seemed easier than chasing a spar that I probably wouldnt get.

I got him from a bloke in Gwent called Martin. Very nice chap.
While I was there I viewed wis donor tiercel and my birds mothers sister.(EH?:lol:) They were impressive birds but he was unsure whos lines they came from?

Hi Tim

Martin ?? not heard of him, and with Ai, i should know him, do you know who bred the parents,?

is this your first imprint Gos ? if so do you have good neighbours,

Cheers

Mick

[Finnish]

do you have good neighbours


Ha Ha :lol: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Mick.

Im still trying to find out who bred the parents :|

He is my first imprint Gos.
As far as Im concerned the neighbours can get down and "Kiss my ass" :butthead:



Im far more concerned about the wife kicking off over the level of dust in the lounge!!! :lol:

Regards

Tim

[OutFlying]

good hoover, good wine and flowers - the wife will be happy

[Ben C]

Seriously BB, I wish the best of british, I bet its going to be a little cracker. Will we get to see it at the bash, or will someone else be giving the imprinting??

[Tim Laycock]

OF. I hope so!!! :lol: 8)

[Tim Laycock]

There will probably be two Tiercels coming to the bash if PCHay gets his show covered by someone.

Car hawking anybody? :lol: :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

I am sure there are one of two chickens in the pub garden that need 'thinning' out. :)

[Tim Laycock]

We can get Jackobean to bar-b-q them :lol:

[Ben C]

We could but I haven't seen a posting for a while, I hope is alright. I PM'd him but he has go walkabout. Holiday perhaps?

[Tim Laycock]

probably busy with the imprint :D

[Ben C]

Ahh of course. Do the methods of imprinting remain generally the same for all raptors, or can you tweek them to suit a particular falcon/hawk?

[Tim Laycock]

Very similar realy Ben, but a lot of different people have a lot of different takes on it

[Ben C]

So even though you were sort of joking about the 'receipe' comment. You can over time pick up little 'tricks' to imprint your hawk/falcon better?

What is the worst thing that can happen if it all goes wrong?

[Tim Laycock]

So even though you were sort of joking about the 'receipe'
Wasnt! :lol:

What is the worst thing that can happen if it all goes wrong?It Dies!
(I think we need an expert to answer this as I am not one) :oops: :mrgreen:

[M & J Raptors]

question for the mods, i cannot answer any PMs every time i hit reply it goes back to log in mode ?

sorry to do this tim but its the only post i can get on,

The new book by Mcdermott looks very good, had a quick glance at it and it seems just the job for any problems with imprints

BC

[Finnish]

I will try and find out for you Bc I thought there was some thing wrong as you did not answer my pm.

Cheers Finnish.

[OutFlying]

So even though you were sort of joking about the 'receipe' comment. You can over time pick up little 'tricks' to imprint your hawk/falcon better?

What is the worst thing that can happen if it all goes wrong?

BenC, I'm doing things slightly different this time but only from learning small details of change from my last goshawk. Just a small change in approach can make a big difference to the final outcome.

The worst thing that can happen is that you produce a dangerous imprint both to yourself and others.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

The worst thing that can happen is that you produce a dangerous imprint both to yourself and others
Thats an exellent point Jim. personaly I dont mind an aggressive imprint but one that is aggressive to others is prety much as bad as it could get ever!

[OutFlying]

Tim,
I don't think it is difficult to imprint a male gos and avoid any aggression problems - if you get the weight right at the beginning. Females I'm told are a different matter but males usually aren't aggressive.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

Interesting Jim.
I have never imprinted a male of any species. Only females all of which were vicious b4stards.
PCHays tiercel gos does not make a sound and it is soft as a kitten, not far from penning either!

Tim

[OutFlying]

Tim,
My male gos did not make a sound until weight reduction and obedience was required. The only time (once only) aggression was shown was on an early kill, when he left the kill to attack my foot, a small weight reduction cured this fault immediately. I could place my bare hands in on any kill and dispatch it or open it for him with no problems what so ever. Aggression was never an issue.

Jim.

ps Will drop bow perch off sometime next week.

[Tim Laycock]

Nice one Jim :wink:

[OutFlying]

might have a look at the loop leash...................

[Tim Laycock]

I will make you one up Jim, I have sent the other to Holland as it was surplus to requirements :lol:
I think I will have to up the anti a bit for "Ross" at any rate!
:mrgreen: :lol:

[Ben C]

When you say noise.....are we talking LOTS or just for a while until you get out into the field?

[OutFlying]

When you say noise.....are we talking LOTS or just for a while until you get out into the field?

Noise level will be governed by many factors what age was it taken, how it was fed, where it was fed, is it catching, how low is it ? etc etc It could be screaming 24 hours if you've got it wrong. Not an easy subject to explain in a short post.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

It could be screaming 24 hours if you've got it wrong.
My father bought a Perigrine like that.
It was not good :!:

[Tim Laycock]

Lets hear it for the boy!!!

[Tim Laycock]

Hello there big boy!

[Tim Laycock]

Look how tight the male ring is! I think an amendment of paperwork and a pair of snips may be in order!!

[Liam Hay]

he looks alrighti suppose LOL

[Tim Laycock]

:lol: Innit!

[M & J Raptors]

BB

Has the bird been DNA sexed, ?

[Tim Laycock]

Yes Mick. Why do you think he might be female German?
The thought has crossed my mind a few times! :lol:

[OutFlying]

Take it back BB,
It's feet look too big :lol:

OF.

[Ben C]

No its OK you can call it................Rosalind. :) lol

[Tim Laycock]

Jim.
Male or female? Finish or german? it will do for me nicely either way :D :mrgreen: I couldnt give a monkeys toss! it was a bargin :wink:

No its OK you can call it................Rosalind.
Already been down that road Ben :lol:

[Ben C]

Rosanne.......Rubella.........Randy............Rup ture..............Rancid...............Ronald..... ......Buteoist...................(yep I checked with the queen she says its OK). :) :)

S/he looks a good un though mate, all feet and floppy head now.....but it will be all FEET and FIGHTING soon. :) :)

[Tim Laycock]

all feet and floppy head now.....but it will be all FEET and FIGHTING soon.

I like this Ben, it made me smile :)

p.s. I take it you have you started drinking the absinthe again?(It is friday!) :lol: :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

No the planets haven't aligned properly......so a 'few' bud are the allowance tonight. A mellow feeling should start to take effect after the 6pm watershed......................................... NOW!

Ben has agreed to the hood mate, I take it you want some? (PM's still shagged for me!)

[M & J Raptors]

Yes Mick. Why do you think he might be female German?
The thought has crossed my mind a few times! :lol:

Hi Tim

It looks like a female to me, but if hes had it DNA sexed, then they are 99.9% correct, we have had 4 sexing wrong out of 50 birds, so sometimes they can be wrong,

Just looking at the cere and thickness of the leg, also no room in the V ring, also the weight at 15 days, was very heavy for a Fin male,
could be a fin female, if so keep it to yourself, :shock:

cheers


Mick

[Tim Laycock]

very heavy for a Fin male,
could be a fin female, if so keep it to yourself,

Will do! :lol: :wink:

[Gaz]

Thats a big "face" for a fem dude :finga: you must be sooo unlucky dude :finga: :lol:

[OutFlying]

must be a right ****er, an egg laying male :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

If it lays an egg I will p1ss my pants thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I only paid £800 rpmsl :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :wink:

[Ben C]

Hang on.......HOOD......thats all I am saying mate

[Tim Laycock]

Hang on.......HOOD......thats all I am saying mate

Hang on....... HOOD....... I dont know what the fark your talking about :rolleyes:

[Ben C]

Nope nor do I.........I had a bit of a think, but I haven't really got a clue. :) Bit stuck on that old boy, but there you are........

[Tim Laycock]

Well.
Today "He" has eaten two Quail and five DOCs!!! :shock:
Same as yesterday :shock: :shock:
On tomorrows menu is a cock pheasant(Rooster)and also a half grown rabbit, perhaps with a chick thrown in for good measure :mrgreen: .
I will let you all know how it goes down and what weight "he" is at :D

[Tim Laycock]

17 days old.
Weight this evening was 1lb 8oz :shock:
Plans changed with the Pheasant as it had not thawed properly so today he recieved one 1/2 grown rabbit, one quail and a couple of chicks.
The heart,lungs and kidneys of the rabbit and quail were left in, as were all the bones but these were "Tenderised" with a hatchet prior to dicing.
The chicks were processed yolk and all.

Hood training continues as before with the hood being used every time his food dish is topped up. he now has no fear of the hood at all as the hood is left in the imprint tank all the time next to his platter. (He has crapped on it three times now but hey, it cost nothing!!) 8)

[ColdZero]

hungry ****** :shock: i didn't realise ho much they ate at that age...good luck with him. What are you going to be hunting with him, and can you hunt earlier with imprints?

[Tim Laycock]

hungry ****** i didn't realise ho much they ate at that ageMe neither CZ but then again an infant Gos is an unknown quantity to me.

What are you going to be hunting with him, and can you hunt earlier with imprints
I got him with the intention of flying him at anything with feathers but if he feels like "touching up a bit of fluff" then Im down with that :twisted: :mrgreen:

Its not a matter of can you hunt earlier, its a case of if you dont you will take an ear bashing for a much longer period of time :wink:

[Sprout]

I'm getting really jealous of everyone on here with their new birds :mrgreen:

[Adam Barrett]

knows its off thread but hows your spar that you are treating sprout mate?

[Tim Laycock]

:roll: Is no thread safe from meandering :lol: :wink:

[Sprout]

Not imped her up yet, thought I'd man her first (prevent any undue accidents). Flew half creance length tonight so will imp tomorrow. This has been the fastest bird to man and get going that I've ever had the pleasure of flying. One problem though, can't look at her whilst calling her to the fist or eating or she launches straight at your face.

[Adam Barrett]

lol-just gotta love that spar attitude.

sorry black bird mate-im sur eone of the mods will be kind enough to deleate this for us :lol:

cheers mate

[Tim Laycock]

not an issue :wink:

[Sprout]

Still, nothing like imprinting your own bird and flying it eh? Still jealous but for once I'm listening to my head and not my heart and not buying a new bird for this season, got too much on.

[Tim Laycock]

I know what you mean Sprout. I wanted a spar as the chunk of flying hous required would be slightly smaller but Im a divvy and couldnt help myself :lol:
You are obviously far more strong willed than I :lol:

[Sprout]

Or not as rich? :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

Arent you a pound note printer? :oops: Sorry, I mean Vet!!! lmfao :wink:

[Sprout]

Don't get me started

[Tim Laycock]

:oops: :lol: A case of "Dont even go there" then. :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

17 days old.
Weight this evening was 1lb 8oz :shock:
Plans changed with the Pheasant as it had not thawed properly so today he recieved one 1/2 grown rabbit, one quail and a couple of chicks.
The heart,lungs and kidneys of the rabbit and quail were left in, as were all the bones but these were "Tenderised" with a hatchet prior to dicing.
The chicks were processed yolk and all.

Hood training continues as before with the hood being used every time his food dish is topped up. he now has no fear of the hood at all as the hood is left in the imprint tank all the time next to his platter. (He has crapped on it three times now but hey, it cost nothing!!) 8)

BB

I would buy a bigger hood if i was you, :wink:


BC

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: Buy!!---- Never!!! :?

Now where's my craft knife :lol: :mrgreen:

[Finnish]

Hey BB got anymore pic's for us to see :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

This is "Him" this morning. and yes the dirty little swine is going to get a bit of a clean up today :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Minger!!

[Tim Laycock]

This is coming off!!

[Sprout]

Nice sized feet though

[Tim Laycock]

A complete change of attitude from this morning. "He" is now mobile and has grown far more alert.
His primarys and train are realy starting to come through now :D

[Tim Laycock]

more

[Tim Laycock]

more

[Jastreb]

Man it's a really big fellow, what a beak!
Kill all ***cing pheasants :twisted: :twisted: :D :D :mrgreen: :mrgreen: !
Enjoy with him!

[Musket]

Blackbird dont you think allowing him to watch cartoons will make him soft?

[Tim Laycock]

His favourites are Buggs Bunny and Daffy Duck!
Mind you he quite likes the Roadrunner too :mrgreen: pmsl

[Liam Hay]

Mine does'nt like cartoons he preferred bloody eastenders. :rolleyes: :shock: :oops:

[Tim Laycock]

Just like me then! :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

20 days old today.
Male ring was removed this evening.
Getting very mobile now.
Oh, Yes he was weighed this afternoon after work.
1lb 15 3/8oz :shock: :shock: :shock:

The food intake is getting beyond a joke :!:

[Sprout]

Out of interest how did you remove the ring? I've always had problems using pliers etc in the past with tight rings as they cut inwards and leave sharp edges. I know there is a proper tool you can get but not exactly readily available!

[Tim Laycock]

Brand new wire cutters.
I did considder going to the jewelers but in the end, The sharp wire cutters did the job fine as even the tips of the blades were still sharp.
The cross section of the ring deformed very little as the material was not as malneable as I had expected it to be.
It was over in seconds but there was much noise made about it!!! :lol:

[OutFlying]

20 days old today.
Male ring was removed this evening.
Getting very mobile now.
Oh, Yes he was weighed this afternoon after work.
1lb 15 3/8oz :shock: :shock: :shock:

The food intake is getting beyond a joke :!:

If that's an empty weight, he is definitely a she :wink:

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

I would say 3/4 empty :wink:

[OutFlying]

I would say 3/4 empty :wink:

Better make the bow perch pink....................... :lol:

[Liam Hay]

it is deffinatly a girl, after seeing her tonight i think a name change is in order!

[M & J Raptors]

it is deffinatly a girl, after seeing her tonight i think a name change is in order! :


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol:

[OutFlying]

Nadia, the sex change gos - sounds good to me :oops:

[Finnish]

It could be a sheman :wink:

[Jastreb]

SHEMALE GOS-DRAG QUEEN!
Kidding mate, nice looking SHE!
Cheers Jastreb

[Ben C]

Don't insult the mans hawk fellas. :) :).....................GODZILLA, or ZILLA for short. :)

Or even better.................drum roll..................GRACE THE GOS....Full of Grace, GRACE the GOS :) :)..........yes I know, no need to thank me....'bow bow, salute, wave' :) :) :)

[Tim Laycock]

Ros- Rosalinda. End of story :mrgreen: :lol:

[Ben C]

Well you know, your the boss (when you cook) with Ros......god I am good! :) :)

[Tim Laycock]

2lb 3/4 oz this morning 8)

[Liam Hay]

yeah its a male german alright RPMSL

[Tim Laycock]

What like yours! RRRPMSL :lol: :mrgreen: :wink: :wink:

[Liam Hay]

mine bigger than urs RPMSL

[GoneHawking]

I heard a general rule of thumb is that the weight at 26 days old is not far off the flying weight when fully penned, if this is the case then a female flying at say 2lb 10+ would have a lot to gain in the next six days. not sure how true this is, maybe someone who has kept daily records of imprint birds will be able to clarify.

[Ben C]

You could always attach a sling shot to its back, just to give the little piglet a bit of a boost off the glove mate :)

[Tim Laycock]

I heard a general rule of thumb is that the weight at 26 days old
I thought it was more like 36 days?

[Liam Hay]

I thought it was more like 36 days
heard a general rule of thumb is that the weight at 26 days old

i thought it was 33 days??

[Tim Laycock]

Sounds more like it. I thought it was thirtysomthing

Oh yes. She was 2lb 1 1/2oz @ 18:10 with no visible crop :D

[Tim Laycock]

Taken today.

[Tim Laycock]

More from today

[Tim Laycock]

More from today

[OutFlying]

My male reached it max penning weight at around 35 days, but flew well above this weight.

OF.

[Liam Hay]

My male reached it max penning weight at around 35 days, but flew well above this weight
yeah i agree this has to be down to the respected Falconer.

[Jastreb]

Piece of bird mate :supz: :partyman: :supz: :prayer: !

[Tim Laycock]

She's one sexy piece of ass!
(I dont think Im sad!) :tonqe: :mrgreen: :lol:

[Kevin Massey]

bb... must say you are doing a cracking job with this topic....pics everything

cracking job !!!!!.....

kev

[Tim Laycock]

Cheers m8. Wait until the feathers start coming.
Im going to up the anti a bit then Kev.

Tim

[Kevin Massey]

maybe a little more info on what you are doing? and maybe some of the antics that must be going down

kev

[Tim Laycock]

Antics a plenty.
You can see from the pictures the size of the big tank. You would think it would hold a 22 day old gos with no problems wouldnt you.
It holds her, but only just.
She is a budding escapologist alright. She now takes running jumps at the lip of the tank once or twice a day and always ends up laid in a panting, crumpled heap afterwards.
Its a bit worrying because to say her feathers are in the blood is somewhat of an understatement!
I am forced to admit being at a loss with this one as I have never seen anything like it before.
She is far too young to be jessed and obviously has issues with the tank.

Any Input here would be good guys :rolleyes:

[Liam Hay]

dead easy m8 as u know i imprinted mine this year never had a problem whenever she is in the tank keep her on a table and not the ground this will help her feel more secure m8.

[OutFlying]

My male reached it max penning weight at around 35 days, but flew well above this weight
yeah i agree this has to be down to the respected Falconer.

It has been my belief that imprints penn at lower weights than p/r hawks. They never have competion for food and you regulate their food intake - as you are training an imprint long before hard penning, so to let an imprint get very fat would be a mistake.

OF.

[OutFlying]

Antics a plenty.
You can see from the pictures the size of the big tank. You would think it would hold a 22 day old gos with no problems wouldnt you.
It holds her, but only just.
She is a budding escapologist alright. She now takes running jumps at the lip of the tank once or twice a day and always ends up laid in a panting, crumpled heap afterwards.
Its a bit worrying because to say her feathers are in the blood is somewhat of an understatement!
I am forced to admit being at a loss with this one as I have never seen anything like it before.
She is far too young to be jessed and obviously has issues with the tank.

Any Input here would be good guys :rolleyes:

As soon as she's steady on her feet and starts to get mobile, fit the anklets and tether to the bow perch.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

cheers chaps!

[Tim Laycock]

Some more pictures :D

[Tim Laycock]

Her bow perch. (Nice one Jim :wink: )
Just finished recovering it and Im going to bed because Im tired!

[OutFlying]

Nice job Tim.

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks m8

[OutFlying]

Now get on and make an indoor one :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Already got the bar ordered! :mrgreen:

<BTW> 2lb 2 1/4oz this morning :D

[OutFlying]

what age is she now ?

[Tim Laycock]

24 days today(Might be 25 though :rolleyes: )

[Kevin Massey]

should'nt that yorkie be in the dish with no castings? :twisted:

[Tim Laycock]

Pics from today.
PCHay brought his tiercel "Trigger" around to my house today to spend some time with my dogs(Beautiful bird<BTW>)
A fun day was had by all :D 8)

[Tim Laycock]

Watch it!!!

[Finnish]

Some good pics there BB. And the Gos looks very nice.

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks Finnish. Its a gorgeous tiercel isnt it.
Thats what I thought I was Getting!!! :roll:

[Kevin Massey]

well i think the are both little gems......and i am as green as f#ck.
kev

[Tim Laycock]

More pics as she has come on a bit :D 8)

[Tim Laycock]

It seems I have to clean the nest out daily with a Gos (The wife moans about the smell)

The trees around my house are taking some hammer to say the least!

[Tim Laycock]

I made a new lure and introduced it today. what to you guys think?
I call it the "doughnut".
Her food cup sits nicely through the centre of it and she will be tearing her own meat from it very soon :D
Looking back I wish I had started with it from the beginning sa she cannot up-turn her food and spill it all.

(Note the flat hood! she sits it like an egg :rolleyes: )

p.s. Before anyone makes a comment about ringworm! the scar on my arm is a paintball injury!!! (Heard it too many times now. LOL)

[Jastreb]

Nice bird, watch your ROTIE mate, it looks she is :D :twisted: in YARAK!

[Tim Laycock]

:lol: :mrgreen:

[Falcon]

Looking nice BB! The tiercel looks nice too and if the Rotti needs a new home! Great pics! :lol:

[Ben C]

Two peas in a pod!!!

[Tim Laycock]

My two favourite girls playing this morning 8)
Ros's train is coming along nicely :D

[Jastreb]

BB mate be careful with such a pic, interenet is ***cing dirty thing :prayer: :supz: :mrgreen: !
Nice gosses :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D !
Cheers Jastreb

[Sprout]

Not sure if you've said else where but where did you get your rearing pen from?

[Liam Hay]

lol i would'nt want the one on the left on my arm lol the one on the right yep anytime lol

[Tim Laycock]

I get one on each! :supz:

The tank is borrowed. I am currently manufacturing a new one. Pictures will be posted :D

[Tim Laycock]

29 Days old.

2 lb 4 1/2 oz today. She has been off her food due to the hot weather :evil:
Put her in the draught from the celing fan in my lounge and the appetite has come back!!!
So far today she has eaten seven turkey poults.
The second bar on her tail started to emerge today also.

[OutFlying]

Not sure if you've said else where but where did you get your rearing pen from?

The one in the later pics is from raptor box, not as well made as the Blackbird version though.

[Tim Laycock]

:oops: 8) Cheers m8 :D

Just wait for the new and improved version complete with a non smelling mute trap :D

Imagine a clean eyass and a house that does not ming of *****!!!!!!!!!! :supz:

[OutFlying]

yes it's called a mews :wink:

[Gaz]

Imagine a clean eyass and a house that does not ming of *****!!!!!!!!!!
yes it's called a mews
LOVE IT,..LOVE IT... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

yes it's called a mews
There is always one :roll: :lol:

[Kevin Massey]

well ****** the penny has just dropped on whet you guys are on a about.....

i only noticed the cleevage !!!!

[OutFlying]

eyes like a hawk - Mass

[Kevin Massey]

dam right !!!

ay them chambers ...has the clear plastic got a join or seem down it or is it extruded?
they look look like one of them items that cost a fortune....but not that much to make?

kev

[OutFlying]

flat polyplex sheet bent into a tube and riveted. BB cooked it in an oven at work to stress relieve it.

[Tim Laycock]

I couldnt sleep with the risk of it going "ping" with an eyass inside it :roll: :lol: (Being a Health and Safety manager is a double edged sword) :rolleyes: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Todays rations.

Ingredients are one Quail (gutted and skinned(heart, liver and lungs etc left in)) and seven Turkey poults (skinned only)
The prepared quail is smashed up with a hatchet and then cut into bite size chunks.
The skinned poults are simply cut into similarly sized chunks with a pair of sciscors. this is then stirred together with a few drops of added water until the yolk from the poults is evenly distributed.
The result is totaly minging but it seems to go down an absolute treat :vom:

I then portion this out into bags and flatten it out so it freezes quickly and stick them in the chest freezer. They are solid in 10-15 mins.
When fresh food is required I just get one out of the freezer and submerge it in tepid water. they thaw in 5 mins and then you just cut the corner off the bag and squeeze the contents into the food dish. (I find this to be a very wife freindly method) :D

Not perhaps as fancy as OutFlying and his mincer but it works for me :D

p.s. OutFlying has an old fasioned meat mincer for his food prep 8) . Not some Graham Norton type making his food up for him! :mrgreen: :lol:

[OutFlying]

I think she should be able to tear the poults herself now BB, just cut the quail up. Place food on the carcass of a prey species and she how she gets on.

OF.

[Ben C]

Looks like a bloody good curry to me BB.......you sure you ain't been on the sauce and mixed em upo mate :)

[Tim Laycock]

OutFlying
She is more than capable of tearing her own and I have tried the carcase ploy but she is totaly disinterested. This is why I came up with the lure with built in food dish.
The association is forming but it is slow going! :?

Bb

Looks like a bloody good curry to me BB
I will bring some to the B'Day bash Ben and you can have a taste to see what you think :lol:

[Finnish]

Looks good Bb says you some time hey.

[Tim Laycock]

plus you only get minging hands once a day :lol:

[Finnish]

Nice one :lol:

[Gaz]

a double edged sword)
Ain"t that dangerous :?: :?:

[Tim Laycock]

Depends if its sharp and pointy at the end :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

31 Days. 2lb 6oz. more feathers too.
These pictures were taken this morning. This afternoon she finaly got the hang of tearing her own food from the lure.
Its a relief I can tell you :D

<Btw> her train is so dark because it was washed before the photos were taken (she had used her tail to do an artists impression in black and white, on the side of the imprint tank)

[Gaz]

Good pics BB,..everytime i see these kinds of pics i allways laugh because the chicks are allways looking down and look like to me they"re thinking "im sure this ain"t quite right,..bit f##k it :!: the foods good :!: " :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

yes m8. thats how she looks 50% of the time :lol:
The other 50% she is fast asleep :roll: :lol:

[Kevin Massey]

what a transformation in such a short time..........

good stuff !!

kev

[OutFlying]

Looks like it nearly time for the tank to go. Get the anklets and jesses on before she becomes too mobile.

[Tim Laycock]

Get the anklets and jesses on before she becomes too mobile

Yes m8. made em up this afternoon. Will be going on tomorrow night when I get my indoor perch sorted :D

[Tim Laycock]

The tank is gone! (Yes!!!)
Jessed her up yesterday afternoon. It was a very simple process, She just lay in my lap with her feet in the air while I put them on.
Gave her a small amount of carriage yesterday evening including a walk up the road but she tires very quickly and when tethered she splits her time 50/50 between the bow perch and the nest.
Her weight today was 2lb 4 3/4oz and she is not putting anything on at the moment and I cant see her putting on a great deal more.
This said her feet are still out of proportion with her body and look to me like they are "A couple of sizes too big"

[Tim Laycock]

More
<BTW> The pen she's in is not there to catch her "Artwork" (Although this is a plus!)
Its there to stop her entering herself on a yorkshire terrier.
Initialy they were good freinds but she has started to look at him in an altogether different light recently!

[Kevin Massey]

wooow

[Finnish]

Nice pic's there BB :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks guys! (I wonder how long it will be before someone says something about the red leather "Joy boy" bow perch!) LOL.

[OutFlying]

The only gay gos in the village.

[Hawkmaster]

I wonder how long it will be before someone says something about the red leather "Joy boy" bow perch!)
Now that you have mentioned it, I like it and it is safe neat clean and tidy, so stuff what others think about it, no offence Jim, I know that was a joke, and I laughed too!

BTW I like the idea of the ring of the perch what was it originally?

Paul

[OutFlying]

is it a pipe flange ?

[Tim Laycock]

Yes. 12" ANSI flange. A bit of a "Heath Robinson" job really but it will serve for now :D

[Tim Laycock]

39 days

[Tim Laycock]

More

[Falcon]

She's really coming on now BB! :D

[Adam Barrett]

whats her weight at the moment bb mate??

how is her training going?

[Tim Laycock]

2lb 5 1/2oz 5 mins ago.
training has gone no further than "running flaps" across the driveway to get the lure. :D
Her response is slow but then again I dont want her covered in hunger traces :mrgreen:

[Adam Barrett]

is 2lb 5 1/2 a bit on the small side for a pure finnish female?
I thought they were normally nearer the three pound mark?

Thanks adam 8)
Beautiful hawk by the way

[OutFlying]

However much finnish - its a bargain at £800..................

[Tim Laycock]

However much finnish - its a bargain at £800
:supz: Oh Yes!!! :D :D :mrgreen: (How smug am I?) :D

[OutFlying]

she should eventually fly above the penning weight anyway - so she will be a decent enough size.

[Tim Laycock]

yes m8. I think she will top out around 2lb 8oz ish.
More than big enough for my stick like arms :lol:

[Adam Barrett]

Lol-bet the breeder would be spitting feathers if he found out :lol:

what are you planning on flying her at?

[Kevin Massey]

without getting involved in the big this little that debate again...is 2.8 not a good size anyway for a 1st year female finnish?...would you not still expect her to finnish the season at a higher weight (with more mussle mass)?.

and even higher in her second year?

any how it aint what they can do on the scales that counts is it...!!!....its in the field

kev

[OutFlying]

Kev.
I would say she's 4-5 oz below the norm for a average sized finnish female. Do not forget she is an imprint and usually they fly lower in the second season unlike p/r which should fly higher.

Jim.

[Kevin Massey]

thanks for that ....

kev

[Kevin Massey]

so the average for a pure finnish female imprint is around the 2 lb 13 mark...........

hells bells
kev

[Tim Laycock]

The breeder already knows :oops:
Her mother killed @ 2lb 10oz
Father @ 1lb 14oz
Thet are impressive birds :D

<BTW> Ros's feet are as large as a freinds finnish female that
kills @ 3lb 8oz :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

I have my own ideas about this but Im interested to know what you guys think.
When do you think I should start serious appetite based motivation?

[OutFlying]

once the feathers are fully down but not hard penned.

[Tim Laycock]

This is what I thought :D 8)
She is currently fed four times a day from the lure.
The lure is garnished with one skinned chick and one skinned turkey poult. (14oz per day)
This is devoured in one sitting more often than not but once it is gone she wants no more.(She now has no wish to eat if I am not with her)
She is still silent (for now :lol: )

[Tim Laycock]

2lb 5 5/8oz first thing this morning.
Fed the "usual" (1 chick and turkey poult(skinned) on the lure.
Jumped to the fist from the lure for "free".
Lunch time,Hopped/skipped 8 ft to the lure for the "usual".
Tea time, Hopped/skipped 12 ft to the lure for the same.
She was not quite so keen to get off this time so I let her "Kill" it a few times then she left it and was pleased to be picked up (jumped to fist again for "free")
Speed of response was pleasing, Her keel is as about as sharp as a beach ball 8) :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Hi my name is Rosalinda and Im a really sexy bird!

[Kevin Massey]

hells she is looking good m8y

[Tim Laycock]

Im pleased as punch with her! 8)

[GoneHawking]

Not Kin suprised blackbird she is lovely, superb sized feet to, hope you have fun with her. :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Will try m8 :wink:
Im constantly dumbfounded by the size of her feet. She is totaly out of proportion.
A freind has a Finnish female killing @ 3lb 8oz.
Rosalindas feet are the same size and she was 2 lb 5 5/8 again this morning :shock:
When I think what I paid for her I just p1ss my pants :lol:

[Jastreb]

WOOOOOW MATE :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: !

[Tim Laycock]

2lb 8oz this morning.
This afternoon she flew 20 ft to the lure, Initially her response was poor but when she had flown for the first chick and eaten it her response time coming for the second was much more pleasing. For the third and final flight (A turkey poult) she was hesitant again but not as much as with the initial flight.
Yesterday I visited my father after the lunchtime training session and after a couple of hours we had a walk around his grounds.
He has some ducks in the grounds of his house and when Ros saw them she went crazy. she literally exploded at them.<vbg>
If I had her more obedient she would of been entered :twisted:
She is becoming more skittish and is calmed very much by 30 mins carriage prior to training.
I take this to be the "Run up" to penning week and am considering beginning to reduce her rations as her huge appetite is now fading slightly.<g>

[Tim Laycock]

Been to the forum birthday bash this weekend with Ros.
She did not like travelling and sleeping in a box but was ok with it by the end of saturday.
Her weight fluctuated a great deal over the weekend but we still managed to make progress and had some good recalls to the lure on the campsite.
She picked this weekend to become vocal(I had to miss part of Ben Long's demo because of this but the upside was exellent response to the lure back at the campsite)
On the sunday she was fed three chicks at 10am so she would have time to put over her crop before starting back for home. Arrived home at 4.30pm and went straight into the back garden for a training session.
This was met with an exellent response-3 recalls to the fist and 1 to the lure. response was very good but not hurried.
Tried this aftermoon in a strange location. Same weight as yesterday but totaly disinterested.
Will try again this evening :D

[Kevin Massey]

at the bash

[Tim Laycock]

Nice one Mass.
In the third one she looks dead! :lol: :lol:

[GoneHawking]

:shock: That must have been some strong booze she was drinking, she lucks rubber ducked. :lol:

[Uncle_Thor]

Superb thread BB, it's got me truly hooked.

Beautiful.

Can't wait for the next part.

Steve

[Kevin Massey]

i thought at one stage, she was gonna twist her head off

[Tim Laycock]

Superb thread BB, it's got me truly hooked
Glad you like it m8 :D
thought at one stage, she was gonna twist her head off
:lol: :lol:


Just got back from trying her again. Much better response than earlier on.
Four flights to the fist and two recalls to the lure.
I find her much better to the fist than the lure, Strange!
Her response was good but not as I would have her be so supper will be a bit lean in the Blackbird household.
I will give her a decent breakfast tomorrow and then try her again in the early evening.

[Tim Laycock]

09/08/05
Tried in a strange location again.response to fist and lure was mediocre again. she came three times to the fist and once to the lure but was juas too slow. weight 2lb 6 1/8oz.

Yesterday.
Vast improvment on the previous day. Instant response to the fist and lure. Three recalls from 100 yards, most impressive<vbg>
Weight 2lb 5 5/8oz
Will be taking a steak fot the creance tonight in an attempt to get a 200 yard recall.
Bated at a duck on the walk home but she had been fed up by then.

[Jastreb]

Nice to see her progres :D :D !
I had two days with no ***cing pheasent or something else, God bless rabbits where ever they are! I didn't finde nothing and my GSP bitch is realy brilliant and she gave her best :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: !
Cheers Jastreb

[OutFlying]

09/08/05
Tried in a strange location again.response to fist and lure was mediocre again. she came three times to the fist and once to the lure but was juas too slow. weight 2lb 6 1/8oz.

Yesterday.
Vast improvment on the previous day. Instant response to the fist and lure. Three recalls from 100 yards, most impressive<vbg>
Weight 2lb 5 5/8oz
Will be taking a steak fot the creance tonight in an attempt to get a 200 yard recall.
Bated at a duck on the walk home but she had been fed up by then.

Get her flying free, you'll be running out of creance line soon :lol: Being imprinted if she that keen at those distances she ain't going to f**k off from you.

OF.

[GoneHawking]

Never even bothered with the creance with my imrint Gos, no need. :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

Never even bothered with the creance with my imrint Gos, no need.
I dont want her to go up a tree before I see fit.

[OutFlying]

Any reason behind this BB ?

[Tim Laycock]

Just a little unsure of things still OF.
My first imprint Gos after all and Im just starting to get a feel for how far things can be pushed.

[Jastreb]

I have never had use crence for my imprint spar, but I had some intresting moments with my imprint gos, so I also like to try them few days on creance in some diferent situations.
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks Jastreb. :D
I thought I was going to be persecuted and have my thread ruined for flying an imprint on the creance(Better safe than sorry) :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

[M & J Raptors]

must confess i still use a creance when training an eyass imprint, even imprints can spook.

[Tim Laycock]

As I have stated on another thread, I feel obedience is paramount in a Goshawk and it must be an instant and joyous response to a recall before I will fly any hawk hawk free. Not just Goshawks.
Some times Ros can still act like a bit of a muppet and I can't tolerate frigging around to no purpose. :mrgreen:

[OutFlying]

Just a little unsure of things still OF.
My first imprint Gos after all and Im just starting to get a feel for how far things can be pushed.

You'll never know 100% before actually flying her free , 100 yard recalls should be sufficient - but only you can decide when she's ready. But I think you'll find she be more likely to come back to you no problems and your difficulty may arise in getting away from her, if she is on weight and your rearing was correct.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

Shes still not on weight yet.
2 lb 4 3/4 today.
Just got back from trying her.
Poor response, Poor response from trees too.
Showed agression on the lure. Mantled, Made much noise and then left the lure to pose threat.
Did not eat quickly as she was too busy with the above.
This will not do!
And will not continue!!

[OutFlying]

All the above actions on the lure (aggression and leaving to attack, little interest in food) indicate over weight. Mantling and noise is normal at this stage, if not noisy or mantling she's too high.

[Tim Laycock]

Yes. shes there or there abouts but just not quite on the button.

[Tim Laycock]

Yesterday Prior to flying

[OutFlying]

BB, now that the easy part of imprinting is over. The fun now commences, I hope the weather stays fine to enable you to fly her on most days for the next couple of weeks by then you should be making good progress.

OF.

[Jastreb]

WOOOOOOOOW mate, that's nice bird!
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

2lb 4 1/8 oz today.
Much better but still not satisfactory, Very slow out of tree but hardly no aggression on the lure.

I tried to tail mount her today. it did not go quite to plan!
She was feeding from the lure when we got home and I got the two bottom tabs on the tailmount secured before she had finished but I was too slow with the other two and got "Tagged" for my trouble.
It is now stinging like ***c :lol:

I will finish the job tomorrow when my temper is a little less frayed!

[OutFlying]

How's it going BB ?

[Tim Laycock]

The tailmount is now fitted. I will post a pic when I have resized it. :lol:
She is doing well.(Progeess was halted bue to helping to look for a lost hawk belonging to a hawking colleague. but its back in his mews now and Im back on the case.
She has to be under 2lb 4oz and coming down to give the desired level of obedience wich was achieved last night although I expect this to be no hard and fast rule shortly.
If the wind is right this evening she will be flying free as the response from trees is adequate and I have procrastinated for long enough :oops: :lol:

[Jastreb]

Nice work m8, how is with screaming at home and in the field?
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

The screaming is terrible at home. Although it is getting better in the field
(This is only a marginal difference but is encouraging as I think I am heading in the right direction finaly)
I have messed around with her weight enough for now though and progress is now steady if she is under 2 lb 4oz.
(She was tried at this weight previously but was unresponsive, The introduction of casting into her diet has put this right)
8) :D

[OutFlying]

Noise will go once she realises she can catch her own food. How's the imprint male (brother) doing.

[Moses]

bb she is massive, whats her weight mate

cheers

[OutFlying]

2-4 as described above, not big but big enough :wink:

[Jastreb]

Ok m8 you are on the right way :D :twisted: !
What do you think how long will it take before entering?
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

Noise will go once she realises she can catch her own food. How's the imprint male (brother) doing.

It has transpired that what was sold as her brother is infact her sister(The breeder is gutted) :lol:

[OutFlying]

Trigger is a she ? at 1 -12 ?

[Tim Laycock]

Jim,
Trigger is totaly unrelated to Ros.
"Trigg" was bred by Pete Sibson and in the future will hopefully be a donor to Ros.

Liam and I went out on sunday night With Trigg in the car. He was unsuccessfull again but the flights were first rate.During one the flight did not leave the field but Trigg must of flown 1/2 mile ringing up and dog fighting with the crow. He managed to bind to it but there were more players on the other team :(

[OutFlying]

Cheers BB,
I thought you collected them together, my mistake.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

Trigger, Hard penned the week Ros was hatched OF

She flew free tonight. Totaly obedient, Came on que 7x 100yds to the fist from different trees and murdered the lure twice from 200yds with me dragging it as fast as I could run with it 8) :lol:

Lets a've it!!! :D :D 8)

[Adam Barrett]

well done mate 8)

[Tim Laycock]

Some pictures from sunday and this evening 8)

[Tim Laycock]

Continued

[Tim Laycock]

Just a thought but how much rangle does one hawk need!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: pmsl

[Kevin Massey]

tim did u make the tail guard?

kev

[Adam Barrett]

tail mount looks excellent mate
did you buy it or make it yourself?
looks like the bell is soldered on to the brass telemetry mount?

adam

[Tim Laycock]

Tail Guard and Tail mount both made by my fair hands. :lol:
The tail guard was supplied by Tesco(Deluxe document folder in pink for 78p and self adhesive velcro for £ 1.64)

I Made the Tail mount with a length of brass 5mm bore brass pipe from B&Q(£ 3.47) Two lengths of copper wire are silver soldered to a suitable piece of this and also a 3mm long piece of the 5mm tube.
The two pieces of copper wire are passed through the pvc plectrum then bent over to secure.
The whole thing is then smoothed over with Araldite Rapid to give a smooth finish.
The bell is attached by means of a cable tie passed through the bell and the 3mm wide loop of brass.
If this description is no good I will take some more photos :D

<btw> The tail mount is attached to the deck feathers top and bottom, Not just hung from the top.
Due to the small size of the mount, even with the extra mountings the whole thing does not encroach onto the web of the feathers and her tail still fans perfectly.
(I hate to see the deck feathers of a shortwing looking like they are nailed together)

[OhMyGod]

I hate to see the deck feathers of a shortwing looking like they are nailed together

well said

[OutFlying]

Is the Velcro stitched as well BB ? How's life with an imprint gos prior to entering treating you?

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

Is the Velcro stitched as well BB ?
OF, The tescos velcro sticks like **** to a blanket!. I tried to peel some off and nearly wrecked the whole thing!!
It was a pleasant suprise 8)

How's life with an imprint gos prior to entering treating you?
In a word..............****!
My ears are broken and my will is going the same way :lol: :lol: :lol:
Seriously though it is a total culture shock, Some elements are a pleasant suprise- some are not! :D :mrgreen:

[OutFlying]

BB,
Crack the next 4 weeks and its all down hill, I felt the same last year but when the good flights come you'll forget all the **** that went before.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

Flew her tonight and she attempted another "Face bind".
Aside from that it was very encouraging. gave her half her usual ration in the field and took her home.
I then went to meet Mass (A prince among men<btw>) at the motorway services. He had procured me various carcases and when I got home I fed her from one.
When she saw it she **** a brick and bated away but changed her tune when I had split its head open :twisted:
To say that she was unwilling to relinquish it was an understatement!
I could feel another "Face bind" coming on so I transfered her to the lure instead of the fist. This sat much better with her and because of this we are still buddys :lol: 8)

[M & J Raptors]

09/08/05
Tried in a strange location again.response to fist and lure was mediocre again. she came three times to the fist and once to the lure but was juas too slow. weight 2lb 6 1/8oz.

Yesterday.
Vast improvment on the previous day. Instant response to the fist and lure. Three recalls from 100 yards, most impressive<vbg>
Weight 2lb 5 5/8oz
Will be taking a steak fot the creance tonight in an attempt to get a 200 yard recall.
Bated at a duck on the walk home but she had been fed up by then.

Tim

This might be the problem with face aggression, i never fly an young imprint to the fist early days, your asking for problems in food association at eye level and the Gos is flying towards the fist held infront of the face

be careful she will nail you, or try too :evil:

mick

[Tim Laycock]

Mick,
What you say is exactly right.
When flying her to the fist I always stand with my back to her with my arm outstreched and slightly raised.
When I know she is coming I turn my head so that my field of vision is at right angles to my fist.
This works well but the above behaviour occurs when I catch her eye before she has settled down on the glove but after she has eaten the reward. when she comes to the fist for "Free" this behaviour does not manifest itself so as you say it is definatly a food association thing.

Calling to the fist will stop now at any rate as I have the obedience/weight thing at a satisfactory level for now.

Going to try her at a carcase dragged from bushes by an assistant tomorrow evening as she was fed upon one tonight.(She is still footing the left over feathers :lol: )
Hopefully she will get the picture and a full crop to boot 8) :D

Cheers

Tim.

[GoneHawking]

Not sure if it made any difference but I never fed from the glove until the second season, never had any face aggression. :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Must just be my ****** imprinting methods then :lol: :oops:

[GoneHawking]

No mate, I think just the unpredictable side of the Imprint, I played with the feet of my Imprint, just like the book says, and I still got footed quite a few times. :( And last saturday my mates male gos footed me in the face in his landrover, for no apparent reason :o Like you say there are ups and downs with an Imprint, I couldn't/wouldn't have one now, but it's all down to personal tastes and situations. Stick at it I'm sure your doing fine. :)

[OutFlying]

BB,
Once she has killed for a couple of months flying to the fist won't be a problem. Recall to the lure always then get her on the fist once finished eating.
As I said earlier these are the worst times ever, but once over it will be worth it. You need to be catching stuff to get her to realise the big picture, you must provide an opportunity for her to catch most days with no more than 4 slips of failure per day.

Have you a copy of McDermott's book, even though his methods of baggies are not legal in this country - his handling methods and problem solving are first rate and deserve a good read.

OF.

[Tim Laycock]

I played with the feet of my Imprint, just like the book says, and I still got footed quite a few times.
Same as :lol:
Have you a copy of McDermott's book, even though his methods of baggies are not legal in this country - his handling methods and problem solving are first rate and deserve a good read
Dont own a copy OF but I have read it. perhaps a skim through is in order!

[OutFlying]

If you can't get hold of a copy, I'll lend you it.

[GoneHawking]

Blackbird, I have a copy of the Imprint Accipiter, and it is for sale on this site, offers over £100, cheap as chips :wink: . His methods are what are tried to follow, he seems to understand the mind of the imprint, I must admit having done an imprint gos, for me I just want to man it train it and then go and hunt, without the worry of not really knowing whats going on inside fickle imprints mind, Which is why I have gone back to a p/r gos. Still it was a good experience and I'm glad I did it, and had some excellent times too.

[Tim Laycock]

GH
Since I discovered that "Ros" is a female it has become my intention to breed my own imprint reared Goshawks from her.
I have never really been very big on imprints(With the exception of spar's) for me this is purely an experiment.
The sport I achieve with "Ros" will have to be really top level stuff to sway me from this course.
I do not think my marriage will afford another imprint Gos (To say relations are strained is the understatement of the decade!)
Spars yes but screaming Goshawks?
I think not.
Still, Never say never :wink:

Tim.

[GoneHawking]

Fair play Tim, I was living on my own when I imprinted the Gos and the Spar, and now I'm living with the other half I don't think she would be too amused by the constant noise, and she is more understanding than most.
I will continue to imprint Spars like you but as far as Gosses go it's P/R for me.
These early months when you need to be killing daily are so important, but it is bloody hard work and I was out 7 days a week whether I wanted to or not, because the bird had to be flown to keep it happy, and that sometimes takes the fun factor out of it, in my opinion anyway.
Best of luck, hope it works out well.

Mark

[Tim Laycock]

Flew her tonight at 2lb 3 3/4 oz, Same weight as last night but with a difference.
Yesterday evening she displayed all the signs of Yarak but was not acctualy interested in chasing anything.
By measure of this, Yesterday evening she was fed plenty of good casting with her meat(6 ounces of pheasant breast) and this morning (After casting)instead of a yolked chick on the lure she was allowed to plume a whole pigeon wing instead.(The cast was good but not as good as tomorrow mornings will be)
This evening she was in a much fuller Yarak than yesterday and took her first proper slip.
A Blackbird was the quarry as it was put up by my almost standing on it. As I was not holding her jesses she tore off after it but it beat her to cover and was reluctant to come out<g>(She swung up and returned to the glove for free without landing)
10 mins later we came across two Leverets playing in the middle of a field.
She would of taken one with ease and it would of been a perfect slip, Had she made a meal of it! What she did infact was look at them dumbfounded and turn her head upsidedown :roll:
I have neglected the fur/food association but this will be put right now that it has come to light!

Good night though, Im chuffed with it anyway :D

[Jastreb]

And screaming around the house BB?
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

Loud as ***c :!: :mrgreen:

[Jastreb]

Yaeh that's shity part, but it is nothing comparing to all benefits of calm goss when lots of peopel and tractors going trough the field!
Cheers Jastreb

[GoneHawking]

BB, hows the Gos coming along????

[Kornie]

He cant speak right now, his lower jaw been amputated by his gos, ros. Sorry.

:wink: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Shes going well.
Had another slip last night(Blue Jay)but she was beaten by the abundance of cover :evil:
After a frustrated "head bind" upon missing the quarry(Ouch) she was given one chick on the lure as reward for a prompt recall.
While she was eating this the heavens opened so we sheltered under a railway viaduct. The weather showed no signs of abating so we did some 2 doc's worth of high jumps.
I then put a chick on the lure, put her on the floor under the viaduct and ran out into the rain, stopping after about 200 yards.
I produced the lure and she set off instantly, At this point I set off running with it at full pelt down the field, Every time I looked around she was gaining but really having to pump her wings all the way.
She hit the lure very hard(She and the lure turned three somersaults)
She was re-jessed and taken up from the lure. Then she was allowed to plume a pigeon wing on her bow when we returned home(Soaked)

[Tim Laycock]

Slightly high tonight.
Refused two easy slips at rabbit :evil:
It was annoying because she would of taken them easily :roll:
Short rations tonight for sure as there was no interest in feather either!!!
Definatly needs to come gown a little more!

[Tim Laycock]

Friday 26th Refused an Easy slip at a leveret, was more interested in ducks that were well out of range :roll:

Saturday 27th Due to a lack of game we did some work with the rabbit lure, A very lackluster performance was shown, She got the Idea in the end but was painfully slow.
(Must admit to feeling a tad embarrased as I was in company)

Yesterday, Had the afternoon at Broughton Hall with Yorkshire Hawker and my sister. It had the makings of a good outing but was marred slightly by the fact that I fell in a ditch full of cold water wich went above my ankles and I only had my brogues on :oops: :roll:
While working a banking a hen pheasant was flushed and she took off after it.
A stern chase ensued but the pheasant made it to cover easily, She crashed in after it but was extricated from the cover empty handed.
I consoled myself with the fact that at least she didnt kill it on the "Put in"
After this she was silent all afternoon and it was unfortunate that no suitable slips could be found for her.
(We did see a wild tiercel Gos so the day was not a complete downer)
By evening she had returned to previous form ie- Screaming her tits off with a full crop :roll: :lol:
Still have my reservations about this Imprint Goshawk lark!
Im sure it will come right in the end but it is a right ball ache and definatly not to be entered into lightly. Thats for sure.

[GoneHawking]

BB, what's the latest with the Gos :?:

[Pete Smith]

Blackbird,
Ref your last post and describing imprinting as a "ball ache". You get what you deserve.
I know numerous falconers that have successfully imprinted Gos's with consistent good manners and performance.
From your previous posts, and talking to you briefly at the "bash" you don't appear to have a clear plan, or exact expectations of what you expect from your bird.
The bird you brought to the bash should have been killing for weeks at that stage, poor, slow performance....bad manners is "your" problem, not the birds, or problems with current imprinting techniques.
You wouldn't build a house etc without plans...goals, the mind boggles!

[Tim Laycock]

Pete Smith,
The bird you saw at the bash was not hard penned and is not and was never intended to be a recipie imprint (If you had been on this thread from the start you would be well aware of the fact)
<BTW>The manners are clearing up now as the Gos is killing with avengence
Keep your opinions to yourself, I am very happy with whats achieved by me and mine
I thought you were a nice bloke when we met evidently by your manner today I had you totaly wrong.
I now fell a little silly for singing your praises and plugging your video but I shall stop as of now.
The mind boggles at you Pete :roll:

If you disagree with my statement that imprinting goshawks is a ball ache and not to be entered into lightly then you are a bigger fool than I thought Mr Smith.

[Tim Laycock]

GH, PMd you M8

[Tim Laycock]

This will probably be my last post on this thread so I will leave you with a picture of my girl on a Grey Partridge yesterday evening.
All our detractors can get ***ked

<BTW>Note the lack of mantling on kill, As seen on some Goshawking videos

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, t-wat!

[Kevin Massey]

would it be advised not to fly a bird at game unless it is hard penned?....

i would have tought flying a bird in such condition expecialy a young gos would not be a done thing?...i know i dont take out my harris untill she is hard penned after the moult...i know they are and need different approaches.... maybe im well off here?

kev

[OutFlying]

Kev,
You can fly the imprint before hard penning without damage occuring, I flew my male at 7 weeks old. Flying to the lure at 5-6 weeks - hunting at 7 weeks.

Just personnal preference really. A gos physically matures a long time before a harris.

Yours Jim.

[Kevin Massey]

cheers for that jim...... i just didnt know !!!....i was thinking "what if the gos crashes in and ends up smashing them thats all...and maybe dropping there weight to get them out hunting...leveing fret lines in the feathers....

cheers again
kev

[Tim Laycock]

I dont like hunting prior to hard-penning because It means reducing weight and this brings the risk of hunger traces on feathers.

Also at this stage the cartlidge in all the joints is still soft.

When PS is refering to killing he means baggies at BFC Bar-B-Qs :oops: :vom:

[Liam Hay]

Have to agree with BB, pete just cause u refer to having imprinting like an exact science i think is total shiite my boy not entered yet, no bad habits or aggresion in stead he is just super fit and his day will come, stick to perlins m8.

Liam

[Tim Laycock]

stick to perlins m8
:oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: Rofpmsl

[OutFlying]

cheers for that jim...... i just didnt know !!!....i was thinking "what if the gos crashes in and ends up smashing them thats all...and maybe dropping there weight to get them out hunting...leveing fret lines in the feathers....

cheers again
kev

Kev,
With an imprint you wouldn't need to drop the weight. You maintain its weight during the imprinting process and don't let it get fat, then your use appetite to gauge how much to feed. Don't forget you've been teaching it to return to the lure from a very early age and in the wild would be flying and pursueing quarry at the same age as the imprint.

He chased the first thing he saw without any artificial means used during rearing. Here's a picture at 9 weeks, been flying for 2 weeks by then - notice the lack of frets marks and feather perfect.

Its just down the Austringer when he wants to fly his hawk. Also males mature faster than females.

[Tim Laycock]

males mature faster than females
And as a rule are a lot less aggressive/possessive

[OutFlying]

Yes this a major difference also.

[Kevin Massey]

cheers men its interesting.... i see from roz when tim was here ...her instant responce to the lure....and also how she had never seen a partridge before ...but still chased it like her life depended on it.... and all this from a bird that was not dropped in weight to get the repsonce...

the imprint world is relatively new thing to me......and its becomming a real eye opener

cheers
kev

[Tim Laycock]

Took her 5th head of quarry yesterday after a 250 yard tailchase(a "Big" partridge :oops: :lol: )
No slacking either! Flew it all the way with great gusto!!! 8)
ended the afternoon with a brace.
This bird astounds me :!: :mrgreen:

[OutFlying]

Are the downsides to imprinting being erased from the memory banks now :lol:

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

Downsides? What were those again? :lol: :wink:

[Jastreb]

Like to hear that!
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

Thought I would try and breathe a bit of life into this thread!
Here are some of her latest exploits <vbg>

[Tim Laycock]

Mass made this up and we both agree it is in exceptionaly bad taste but we like it and it makes us laugh :lol:

[Jastreb]

:twisted::supz::lol::lol:
Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeers M8!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/hugg1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/tim4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/tim1.jpg
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[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/slip1.jpg

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/slip.jpg
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[Liam Hay]

TOP BOMBING

To win the war u got to become war

[Kevin Massey]

it was just a shame 1/2 the team was absent mate.....

[Liam Hay]

yeah but i am sure the team will be back up to full strength soon enough

[Tim Laycock]

Too right!

We better be 8)

[Hacker]

Blackbird,
just read the thread, nice one, happy hunting:grin:

[Tim Laycock]

Cheers m8, It is!<g>

[Finnish]

Some cracking pic's there.

[Tim Laycock]

Today

[Tim Laycock]

A picture from this weekend :D

[BFC 007]

you happy with her weight now then tim ?

[Tim Laycock]

Paul, Shes still not right from the scotland debacle but was Ok this weekend @ 2lb 7 1/4oz
After scotland she is very uneasy on field meetings(Not suprised though!)

[Jastreb]

Good looking bird in any case, like feet colour!

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/scotland3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/scotland2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/scotland1.jpg

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/timandrosatthedale224-9-05.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/timandrosatthedale324-9-05.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/rosonherfirst224-9-05.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/rosonherfirstoftheday24-9-05.jpg

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/tnr2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/tnr.jpg
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[Adam Barrett]

Love the second to last picture tim mate.
Shes looking good :-)

Is she still noisey in the mews?

All the best
Adam

[Tim Laycock]

Some TOP forum members in them there pics Kev :supz:
Cant believe you posted the one of me p1ssed stood with Liam (1.5 gallons of stella the night before :lol:)


Adam, Shes still noisy in the mews.
Not as bad as she was but still not mint.
Should be almost silent after the moult :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

tim i thought it was quite apt :-)

[Tim Laycock]

It certainly puts me in the right "Pigeon hole"...........Space cadet! :rolleyes:

[Liam Hay]

lol snobbish goshawker indeed

[Tim Laycock]

lol snobbish goshawker indeed

Its only what Im told :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jastreb]

What a piece of bird, specialy when I can see her on the fist :spuz: :spuz:
Cheers Viktor

[Tim Laycock]

And remember Viktor, I am 1.98 m tall (6ft 6") :lol:

[Blaze]

Jesus!!!...And i thought i was tall..I wont walk past you without noticing you at the club!.lol :-D

[Jastreb]

I know Mikey told me that in Opocno, f**ck I am short :lo:, 1,80 cm :lol:SHORTY!

[Tim Laycock]

This afternoons carnage :twisted:

[Tim Laycock]

The rest

[Blaze]

Good Going Tim!:D ..so how many heads she had this season m8?

[Tim Laycock]

Hardly likley to set the Goshawking world on fire :oops:

Im pleased with her as she was an experiment and raised to no recipie.
With some "proper" feathers she should be better next year and deadly the year after :supz:

Head count

Quarry Taken/ Quantity

Mallard 1
Grey Partridge 5
Cock Pheasant 11
Hen Pheasant 3
Blackbird 3
Rabbit 3
Magpie 7
Carrion Crow 1
Moorhen 4
Coot 1

Total 38

It aint ovet till the decks drop :twisted:

[Blaze]

Thats not bad going Tim!...and a good variety of slaughters 8-) .....

[Tim Laycock]

We can but try :wink:

[Kornie]

Nice going Tim, some real variety there. Keep up the good work,

[Gaz]

"Hardly likley to set the Goshawking world on fire"
Reckon its good going..and honest:finga: ..its all about the quality of the flights with a Gos..something thats often lost,as people seem to think if a Gos chases it,its gotta be dead...another thing,with a brown bird,its all about "making"your bird for the 2nd season and beyond...my male has "only" had 9 rabbits,a jackdaw and two hen pheasants(2nd yesterday)..but hes pinging fit and obediant,and will fly over any dog..strong and proud..hes "made"..roll on next season & real feathers:lol: (and no more divvy brown birds,..god i HATE training):!:


p.s.
ask h/man 69,hes bourn the brunt of my brown bird ravings this season...cheers Gaz:supz:
p.p.s
Tim,pity its only a imprint..and not a real Gos...ooppsssss...............bring it on .........

[Gaz]

"Tim,pity its only a imprint..and not a real Gos...ooppsssss...............bring it on " quote:

What:?: ..no bite Tim:( :( :?:

[Tim Laycock]

Gaz.....To an extent I agree!

Imprints= Head wrecking :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Had a cock bird on wednesday, good flight!
Nothing since:shock:

Things are getting very hard to kill now!
Your pitting against the cream of the crop:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

From today, Another day another death :twisted:

(Of course you realise she pulled off the rabbit she was chasing to fly the pheasant down<g>)

[Blaze]

I wouldnt like to try taking that off her!.:shock:

Nice one! :lol: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Blaze, goshawks are nothing like Harris Hawks when it comes to picking up from kills!
Dont let the mantling fool you:wink:
Even with a full mantling imprint as soon as you ask they will step from a kill for the smallest reward, and (with imprints) return to normal posture almost instantly.
Of course a P/R goshawk should not mantle at all and if it does it is a poorly made bird.
(Hopefully you will see on wednesday:wink:)

[Blaze]

Well i went out with a lad at the begining of the season with a imprint male goss!.....It caught a rabb and when andy went in to dispatch the male goss was lunging at his face :shock: ...which he says was the case every time it killed?...I was watching in horror as the poor sod was getting hammered!

What was all that about then Tim?

[Big JoeJoe]

Very nice Pics Tim. See you knocked another bit of cream from the crop mate nice one.

Cheers Joe

[Tim Laycock]

What was all that about then Tim?

Sounds like early season imprint, overweight with a confused owner<g>
Just go back up the threads(here and elsewhere) and read about the beatings and face grabbings I had to live with:twisted: :lol:
Females are a nightmare compared with tiercels!

Its all over now shes made:supz: :heart:

Its been a hard season though,nearly burned me out with behavioural problems<vbg>

Joe, it begged for it m8(got it too!)

[Blaze]

Thats prob the case Tim as it was a this years bird and not long been entered!.

Cheers Adam

[Tim Laycock]

Crazy brown birds, boil your noodle:confused: :lol:

****, slow feathers and a head full of magic :roll: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

first feathers (wing coverts) dropped today 8-)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/coverts.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

My little home maker 8)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/pollypics45003.jpg

[Talon]

Blackbird i couldnt sleep last night so sat up and read this thread from start to end .and must say its one of the best ive read on here .for a long time realy enjoyed it.a great read with cracking regular pictures to let us know and see just what was happening.great stuff:supz: :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

i agree :supz:

[RWR]

I have to agree Tim Excellent :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Tim Laycock]

All that remains is to find a supply of semen and hopefully the thread can be expanded in a whole new direction :supz:

[HoumaFalconer]

Great For You, Will You Please Post Some Pictures

[Tim Laycock]

Pics are never a problem :wink:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/roz003.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/roz002.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/more002.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/more001.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/stand001.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

<BTW>
Her Cloaca has now swolen to twice the size shown and is pulling very strongly!
She has a full brood patch now also.

[BrianM]

christ tim your nearly good looking in that pic ,,,,, lol excellent excellent thread, you really are a true example of what a comitted falconer should aspire too ,,,, nuff of that or you will get big headed lol

brian

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks Brian :oops:

Im stuck in the lounge now, Cant get my head through the door hole :rolleyes: :lol:

[BrianM]

gimmie 5 minutes and i will bring you back down lol

[Tim Laycock]

From this evening, shame it will be clear :(

No semen yet :cry:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/2132.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/2133.jpg

[BrianM]

shame right enough mate

[Kevin Massey]

what a ****in bummer bud...about it being clear that is

[Liam Hay]

next one won't be;)

[Fawkes]

This is a great thread BB, you've done a wonderful job with it.

I hope you find some semen for her, would love to follow her through breeding and chicks.

[Sandeep]

Hi Black bird...

I am just so pleased with the bird's performance and yours of course. It was good to see the eyass grow up step by step and then hunt and even go on to lay an egg. I think Tim you have done a wonderful job of the bird. All is well so long as you and the bird are happy...

Cheers mate and have a great season ahead...

[Jack Merlin]

Great stuff, Tim!

Well, that scotches the rumour that once a gos starts to moult, breeding is over.

I suppose you know someone on the IBR adverts is advertising gos semen?

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks everybody 8-)

I now have some semen lined up as soon as soon as it comes clear under the microscope she will be getting hers :lol:

I have resigned myself to trying to catch the third and possibly the fourth egg if there is one, we shall have to see.

Derry, you cant beat shattering myths <vbg>

[Gosman_2]

Hi Blackbird i had the same problem afew years ago are u going to let her sit, or incubate your self? cause u could make her recycul if u cant get seamen yet but i would only do it as alast resort -ie u know that all her eggs are going to be clear p.s good diary ur obviously giving 100%:)

[Tim Laycock]

The egg is now pulled and blown :yawinkle:

I dont want to recycle her as shes only a brownie and also my flying bird.
I dont realy aspire to being a breeder m8, this is just a diversion during the moult, Im making it up as I go :lol:

I hopefully have somebody lined up to run any fertile egs too as Im dubious of letting a dizzy brown bird sit em!

[Gosman_2]

cyThe egg is now pulled and blown :yawinkle:
MINE recycled the first year after i pulled her first egg ,u should be ok though!:roll:

I dont realy aspire to being a breeder m8, this is just a diversion during the moult,:! Me niether, just trying to help m8 good luck thats the main thing:lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Wasnt trying to insinuate anything, many thanks 8-)

[Talon]

All that remains is to find a supply of semen and hopefully the thread can be expanded in a whole new direction :supz:


Finnish Goshawk semen available.
Phone: [1443] 755 916
Mob: 07774 041355. email

found this advert on uk falcons web site
********
just read the rest of your thread and realised its too late know.
are well the numbers there in case any one else needs it.

[Tim Laycock]

Picking up semen in the morning :supz:

I have pulled the first egg and hope to catch the third :P

We shall see in the fullness of time :yawinkle:

[Goshawks00]

That is something I'm interested in knowing: How much do you pay for a straw of semen? Do you verify it's fertile? What garantees come with the purchase?
A private PM is ok if that is a subject you would rather not discuss openly,
Thanks,
Barry

[W Jenkins]

Well done for you m8 you seem as happy as a pig in sh*t and quite rightly so ,what a fantastic read if only we could get more like this briilllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Tim Laycock]

That is something I'm interested in knowing: How much do you pay for a straw of semen? Do you verify it's fertile? What garantees come with the purchase?
A private PM is ok if that is a subject you would rather not discuss openly,
Thanks,
Barry

Straws can cost between £50 and £100 or an arangement dividing the brood can be arrived at.

Most of the time you see a sample under the scope if you pick it up.



Well done for you m8 you seem as happy as a pig in sh*t and quite rightly so ,what a fantastic read if only we could get more like this briilllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Thanks m8 :D



<btw> First insemanation this afternoon, sucked it in well.

[Goshawks00]

BB,
I hate to even ask but I'm dumbfounded as to know how much that is American, any idea?
If a person were to make "arangements" , how would you go about it? Divide chicks after hatch, divide eggs as they are laid? Just curious , as I may find myself in that position with two donors this year and would like to know what is "fair" in the eyes of those that have already done it.
GL
Barry

again Derry some of the happiest folks I know live in dumpy houses!!

[GregMik]

BB,
I hate to even ask but I'm dumbfounded as to know how much that is American, any idea?
If a person were to make "arangements" , how would you go about it? Divide chicks after hatch, divide eggs as they are laid? Just curious , as I may find myself in that position with two donors this year and would like to know what is "fair" in the eyes of those that have already done it.
GL
Barry

again Derry some of the happiest folks I know live in dumpy houses!!

Barry,
Right now the exchange rate is about 1.8 dollars to the pound.

Greg

[Tim Laycock]

$87-$175 at the current exchange rate (We are not to the cent <g>)

Chicks would be divided as soon as they can be accurately sexed

Either a 50/50 split or the first female of a brood are the accepted norms

[Big JoeJoe]

This is fasinating stuff Tim. I have read the thread from begining to end and it it a great read mate.

Cheers Joe

[Goshawks00]

Thanks Greg and Tim sounds like a good deal for the buyer.
Barry

[Tim Laycock]

Sounds like a better deal for the man who takes a gamble..........demands and recieves a boatload of females :yawinkle:

[Jastreb]

Good one Tim m8!

[Tim Laycock]

Following in your footsteps hopefully Viktor :supz:

[Jastreb]

I think you are on the very best way to be better, you have fins and they are if nothing else bigger than germans, so you have bigger work there ;-) ;-)
Cheers Viktor
P.S. No semen, she is standing but no eggs too!

[Tim Laycock]

Another egg today at 2:00, another duffer me thinks.

[Tim Laycock]

Third and fourth eggs, possibly fertile, we shall see in the fullness of time.

Spot the odd ones out :lol:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/goseggs1.jpg

[Shaun Byrne]

What make of incubator is that Tim?

[Tim Laycock]

Not the faintest idea m8, will find out :yawinkle:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Its a Brinsea contaq X8 or the smaller version of the same thing. I geuss at a falcon breeders both BB and myself know. Am I right Tim?

[Liam Hay]

yeah its the brinsea contaq

[Shaun Byrne]

Thought so, I saw one a few weeks ago.

Thanks.

[Miggy]

brilliant thread bb
shes a bootifull bird are u continuing hunting her or jus breeding her now(sorry if uve already sed but my eyes are killing had to quickly scrole last 4-5 pages )
cheers
mick

[Tim Laycock]

Its a Brinsea contaq X8 or the smaller version of the same thing. I geuss at a falcon breeders both BB and myself know. Am I right Tim?

Brinsea sounds familiar :rolleyes:
And yes Karl, He is known to us both.

[Tim Laycock]

brilliant thread bb
shes a bootifull bird are u continuing hunting her or jus breeding her now(sorry if uve already sed but my eyes are killing had to quickly scrole last 4-5 pages )
cheers
mick

She will be flown into submission all being well for as long as she can Mick.
She is my flying bird and will continue to be so for as long as she chooses.
I am a austringer m8 not a breeder by any strech of the imagination :yawinkle:

Im making it up as I go for a bit of a lark :lol:

[Goshawks00]

Here's pulling for them to fertile Tim!! NA gos just laid her first egg today, should fertile. One other due tomorrow it looks like.
Barry

[Miggy]

She will be flown into submission all being well for as long as she can Mick.
She is my flying bird and will continue to be so for as long as she chooses.
I am a austringer m8 not a breeder by any strech of the imagination :yawinkle:

Im making it up as I go for a bit of a lark :lol:

right m8 sound
just i saw her with eggs n stuff as i was scroling through jus thort u mite start breeding her but got rong end of stick
cheers
mick

[Tim Laycock]

It was a perfectly logical assumption m8, there are enough Goshawks being bred as it is and churning em out aint my bag though.
If I can produce a couple for good mates that is good enough for me :supz:

I have put a clear egg back with her now, four eggs is more than enough for any flying bird to produce in the off season!

[Miggy]

It was a perfectly logical assumption m8, there are enough Goshawks being bred as it is and churning em out aint my bag though.
If I can produce a couple for good mates that is good enough for me :supz:

I have put a clear egg back with her now, four eggs is more than enough for any flying bird to produce in the off season!

nice 1 m8
good luck with it all anyway
cheers
mick

[John Soulsby]

Blackbird

Last night I read your thread about Ros the Gos from start to finish and it was fantastic, I could hardly wait to reach the end to find out what had happened. Is she still screaming and is she the bird with eggs (seems a bit young to me to be laying) or do you now have another. I am planning my first Gos for this summer and an imprint is definately not for me (my wife would leave) so how hard did you find this and may a p/r bird be a better option. What do you think?

Best wishes.

John

[Tim Laycock]

John,
She is the same bird from the start to the current time in the thread.
This time last year she was in an egg herself infact possibly not even layed yet ,I cant be sure without getting my book out.

She no longer screams in the field and is quite bearable at home also but you are right in your decision to get a parent reared bird, it will make for a much smoother ride :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Looks like she has done laying now (Thank f***) :supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Tim ALL the BEST mate!
Love the thread, it will inspire may people as it has me.:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

How did you get on with the insemanation yesterday Paul

[Hawkmaster]

Not bad thanks mate, got the stuff and popped it in but the thingy for inseminating was a bit poo, so I made it better this morning and gave her the rest. Easy, but a bit of an anti-climax at £60 a pop.

The semen comes from a male that flew at 1 12.5 to 1lb 13oz.

So now we just have to wait and see?

[Tim Laycock]

£60 a pop :shock:
Could you not have come to an arrangement over dividing the clutch Paul.

Yours is an expensive gamble m8, hats off to ya :supz:

[Hawkmaster]

I figure I should not use more than 9 or 10 straws, so £540 to £600. If I get one hatched and reared I am OK?

[Budfin]

brilliant thread..read it from the start, beautiful bird, well done m8...!

[Tim Laycock]

Dropped the decks this morning (She has tipped them while sitting the eggs :oops: :lol: )

[Kevin Massey]

was the last egg fertile tim?

[Tim Laycock]

No m8, all clears.

Two more tailfeathers dropped too :supz: (Both outers)

[Kevin Massey]

well tim look on the bright side.....next season:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

Too right m8 :twisted: :supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Damn! Tim really sorry for you mate :sad:

[Hawkmaster]

How times did you inseminate her?

[Tim Laycock]

Only twice Paul,availability of semen was the issue:(

[Liam Hay]

We should hopefully have that issue covered next year m8;)

[Tim Laycock]

We should hopefully have that issue covered next year m8;)

Indeed :supz:

And for her part she should come into condition at a sensible time of the season ie- when it has actualy started :rolleyes: :roll:

[Hawkmaster]

Oh well, we live and learn, I suppose?

I may be in for a hard time with my little gamble, but hey, we live and learn?:lol:

[Tim Laycock]

We certainly do Paul!

[Tim Laycock]

The moult is progressing nicely 8-)

[North East Harris Hawker]

cant see them mate

[Tim Laycock]

Me neither :-?

[Venividevenatio]

Having no accipter experience ,apart from being a spectator, I shall be keen to follow the progress. Do keep us informed PLEASE.

[Tim Laycock]

Trying to upload the pics again :rolleyes:

[Tim Laycock]

Worked this time :rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

Have you put the astroturf in yet Tim ?

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

Not yet Jim, I have left it out as a reminder to cover those perches :oops:

It should be going in this weekend after the big spring clean :yawinkle:

[GaryPCO]

nice one bud keep em coming!!!:cool:

[Tim Laycock]

More tail feathers out than in by mid may :shock:

Bert was right............The "Eyass" does mew timely :supz:

It may be a long expectation of good but it seems worth it to me :D

[OutFlying]

Hello Tim,
Please see attached photograph of my gosses moult progress -










:oops:

Jim

[MickeyDredd]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dave G]

Hello Tim,
Please see attached photograph of my gosses moult progress -










:oops:

Jim
:supz: looking good your moult m8 ;)

[Tim Laycock]

No down, no nothing Jim? :?

[Kevin Massey]

what she looking like now tim?

pics please:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

17:22 today :yawinkle:

Front view is unchanged :rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

No down, no nothing Jim? :?


No down or anything.

[Tim Laycock]

Strange m8

Mine is like a cripple at the moment, she can hardly fly

I bet Annie will be the same when she starts :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

Jim

Bow perches, Gosses and moult, not a good combination, i take it you will not be attending woodhall,:goodman:

good job shes in good feather. and she may even keep her albidus look:supz:

[Red-Devil]

Trying to upload the pics again :rolleyes:
thats not chicken wire on there is it bb

[Tim Laycock]

thats not chicken wire on there is it bb

Yes m8, it is.
Its the plastic coated soft stuff and its outside the bamboo bars by three inches :yawinkle:

What do you take me for :lol: :yawinkle:

[Red-Devil]

Yes m8 it is but its the plastic coated soft stuff and its outside the bamboo bars by three inches :yawinkle:

What do you take me for :lol: :yawinkle:
dont ask

[Tim Laycock]

I wont so long as you dont either! ;) :lol: pmsl

[Musket]

Great thread, I started following it last year and then lost it somewhere I have just read it from start to date, please continue it this year, Good work

[OutFlying]

Jim

Bow perches, Gosses and moult, not a good combination, i take it you will not be attending woodhall,:goodman:

good job shes in good feather. and she may even keep her albidus look:supz:


The alternative plan B will have to be used for Woodhall if she isn't ready. ;)


Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

(Plan B) it will probably be ready by then :wink:

[OutFlying]

Center decks out today Tim :rolleyes:

[Tim Laycock]

:supz: :supz: :supz:


She will probably have no tail left in by next thursday Jim :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

only 6 more months to go jim.:evil:

[Tim Laycock]

Progress :supz:

[Liam Hay]

my male just dropped centre decks:supz:

[OutFlying]

only 6 more months to go jim.:evil:

Nice one, just need something to tied me over for 3-4 months then ;)

Jim,

[M & J Raptors]

Nice one, just need something to tied me over for 3-4 months then ;)

Jim,

get your arse up here soon then, you can take your pick.

[OutFlying]

Will do, thanks again for the offer.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

get your arse up here soon then, you can take your pick.

You cant argue with that can you :supz:

[Finnish]

Thats very nice of you Billy C...:D :D

[Tim Laycock]

This morning

[Jastreb]

She looks more like mature lady :wink:

[RedNoseK9]

bet your excited at the look of your little girl growing up she looks great lovce these progress through the moult pics

[GoneHawking]

The alternative plan B will have to be used for Woodhall if she isn't ready. ;)


Jim.

What flying a Harris Jim???? sorry I couldn't resist that.

Mark

[OutFlying]

Not telling now :lol:

[GoneHawking]

maybe a common buzzard x peregrine x steppes?? nice looking bird don't you know.

Do tell.

Mark

[OutFlying]

no..............

[GoneHawking]

hsinnif elam kwahsog ?

[Tim Laycock]

I now have a true short-winged Hawk :lol:

She has no primaries in at all! :rolleyes:

Seeing her try to fly across the pen to come and see me is truly an education :lol:

Its like a giant moth with no coordination whatsoever :lol:

Weight this morning was 2lb 15 1/2 oz

[Ben C]

Just keep her away from strong lights and bats then Bb.

[Finnish]

Looking good mate...

[Aristiri]

How's she doing now?
Been reading this since I joined up and I love watching her progress.
Dont stop posting on your thread please !:heart: :grin:

[Tim Laycock]

Re jessed and taken up for occasional manning as of last monday 8-)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/keel005.jpg

[BrianM]

your just a big show off tim ,,, lol no shes lookin great . my males decks are just about length,, harris is just about there though

[RedNoseK9]

cracking tim hope this season we will get as much info as last

[Big JoeJoe]

Tim she is looking bloody great mate, this thread has been an epic tale write a book it would sell mate believe me.

Cheers Joe

[Tim Laycock]

this thread has been an epic tale write a book it would sell mate believe me.

Cheers Joe

It would upset too many people :yawinkle:

[Dave G]

great stuff tim and what a lovely looking goshawk ;) :supz:

[Big JoeJoe]

It would upset too many people :yawinkle:

Now Tim I didn't think a little thing like that would bother you lol

[Liam Hay]

agree y worry tim:lol: :lol:

[Jastreb]

She looks great Tim!
She is lighter phase, am I right!? As a real finnish bird :wink:
Cheers Viktor

[Aristiri]

She's looking fantastic!
Happy now :) , but always want more pics ! :supz: :supz: :heart:

[OutFlying]

How long before completely moulted Tim ? Will you be flying as soon as completed ?

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

As a real finnish bird :wink:


:supz: :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Will get some more pics soon Aristiri :yawinkle:

[Tim Laycock]

How long before completely moulted Tim ? Will you be flying as soon as completed ?

Jim.

As a rough guess I would say early august Jim.(all flight feathers)



I will pull her properly and enseam her as soon as she is ready but I cant make up my mind wether to bash some corvids until its time or do some of my "bridge jumping"



Possibly a bit of both, I suppose she needs to be killing as soon as she is ready really, I dont want her to go backwards attitude wise

[Tim Laycock]

Went out to feed her this afternoon, went into the pen to pick her up for weighing and when she flew over two brown tail feathers and a brown wing covert fell out.

Sat her on the scales (2lb 15 1/8 ) and when she stepped back onto the glove her old leg scales dropped out from under her jesses (The irony was not lost :lol: )

She has finaly taken to bathing daily so her fear of water is hopefully a thing of the past now :lol: (brown imprints :rolleyes: :roll: )

[OutFlying]

Get Griff to make a hood from them :lol:

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

PMSL! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

This evening.

Just waiting for two tail feathers to drop and body feathers