So much talk about reputable breeders?

[Hawkmaster]

So what makes a reputable breeder and what does not?

I will put on my devils cap and say this a breeder is a breeder with stock all being the same!

To clarify if a person gets stock off one person and then breeds the stock is the same?

[AlexB]

I would add a bit of honesty to that, cant really comment on longwings as i know squat diddley about them. But with Gosses all the usual price cons out there and with Harrises adding Superior to them to hike the price.

Its nice to see some breeders who sell their birds as exactly what it says on the tin, and not to promice something they will find it hard to deliver.

ATB

Alex

[HallBeck]

So what makes a reputable breeder and what does not?

I will put on my devils cap and say this a breeder is a breeder with stock all being the same!

To clarify if a person gets stock off one person and then breeds the stock is the same?

I would have thought that to be "reputable" a breeder must:-

Breed healthy birds from healthy, legally obtained stock

Ensure birds go to good and suitably experienced homes

Describe young birds accurately and honestly

[Hawkmaster]

I would have thought that to be "reputable" a breeder must:-

Breed healthy birds from healthy, legally obtained stock

Ensure birds go to good and suitably experienced homes

Describe young birds accurately and honestly
Surely that is most people then?:D

[Mark Collins]

Honesty, everything else should fall into place.

[HallBeck]

Surely that is most people then?:D

One would hope so! :D

[AvianManagement]

I would add a bit of honesty to that, cant really comment on longwings as i know squat diddley about them. But with Gosses all the usual price cons out there and with Harrises adding Superior to them to hike the price.

Its nice to see some breeders who sell their birds as exactly what it says on the tin, and not to promice something they will find it hard to deliver.

ATB

Alex

Surly if someone in the UK advertises a Goshawk and Finnish they would have to be able to prove the bloodline right back to the original founder stock imports, or the could be done under the trades description act ?

[HallBeck]

I will put on my devils cap and say this a breeder is a breeder with stock all being the same!





Maybe i am being thick - what do you mean by this? Do you mean a breeder should specialise in one species - like Goshawks for instance?

[AlexB]

Surly if someone in the UK advertises a Goshawk and Finnish they would have to be able to prove the bloodline right back to the original founder stock imports, or the could be done under the trades description act ?

You would like to think so, but theres more chance of finding a bag of hens teeth that this happening other than a very few breeders. But funny none the less :lol::lol:

Alex

[Hawkmaster]

Maybe i am being thick - what do you mean by this? Do you mean a breeder should specialise in one species - like Goshawks for instance?
No what I am saying is, if people have the same stock from others or the same lines, then that side is equal, so take the quality of the stock out of the question, what then makes a better, more reputable, exceptional or the mutts nutts breeder?

[Gyr]

I Hate going to a breeder to collect a bird, only to be told that (this one is a 150 pounds more because it is Whiter ,or Greyer, or Blacker than the last one) Why do they keep moving the goal posts?????:evil:

[HallBeck]

No what I am saying is, if people have the same stock from others or the same lines, then that side is equal, so take the quality of the stock out of the question, what then makes a better, more reputable, exceptional or the mutts nutts breeder?

Gotcha now!

[Pete Kent]

One word - honesty.

Honesty means more than anything else because if you choose to buy the bird at least you know the truth about it's background and origin. A dishonest breeder loses plenty of money in lost sales, has a real bad name and reputation, nobody trusts them, then on top of that the rumours fly !

I've heard stories which make your toes curl over dishonest practices and I'm sure the breeder concerned has suffered financially as a result. Lying or stretching the truth is false economy in the end.

[K.Massey]

So what makes a reputable breeder

Reputation:rolleyes:

[Hawkmaster]

Yes Kev but what makes them that?:wink:

[TimDog80]

Yes Kev but what makes them that?:wink:
Satisfied customers!!:yawinkle::lol:

[AlexB]

Yes Kev but what makes them that?:wink:

For some breeding good quality birds year after year that will self advertise. For others plenty of advertising :lol::lol:

Alex

[Mark23576]

Only thing i can say a reputable breeder breeds good quality birds healthy and well fed.

Unlike my bird when i collected her, she was 12 oz down from her fat weight she was 2lb 1.5oz when i collected her from breeder and now up for moult she is 2lb 13.5oz.

[Hawkmaster]

Only thing i can say a reputable breeder breeds good quality birds healthy and well fed.

Unlike my bird when i collected her, she was 12 oz down from her fat weight she was 2lb 1.5oz when i collected her from breeder and now up for moult she is 2lb 13.5oz.
Was that a new bird?

[Mark23576]

Was that a new bird?

if you mean untrained straight from parents yes she was. i was told she was 17 weeks but i have my doubts about that

[Hawkmaster]

Well then that could be normal as you simply done your job and took a new, un-muscled bird and put muscle and weight on it! No big deal, especially blaming the breeder?:rolleyes:

[PeelsBells]

Honesty, truthful about lines,helpfulness, after sales care.
Past buyers who you can talk to, willing to give feed back.
Someone who is only a telephone call away for help when needed.

[SmallPeregrine]

Well then that could be normal as you simply done your job and took a new, un-muscled bird and put muscle and weight on it! No big deal, especially blaming the breeder?:rolleyes:

I think its the Falconer that engineers the good flying performances out Falcon thus making it a good Game hawk not to do with breeder especially where Peregrines are concerned:idea:

[CJTaylor]

Some of the best birds bred are infact from enthusiasts who maybe only have one pair of breeding birds , i know with peregrines , the best birds ive come across are bred privately by a guy who breeds just half a dozen per year , but these are from good birds and indeed due to the time energy etc spent on these ,they surpass many of the commercial breeders , as hes in it for the love and to fly his own birds and not purely for financial gain, this must put a different aspect onto it..., that said one ot two big breeders produce some cracking birds...col

[Hawkmaster]

Honesty, truthful about lines,helpfulness, after sales care.
Past buyers who you can talk to, willing to give feed back.
Someone who is only a telephone call away for help when needed.
After sales care?

Please tell me more, because I would have thought you pay your money and that is it?:D

[Pirate Of Penzance]

You got to wach them comercial breeders ! They do not give anthing away,ha ha , so the guys who give their free info on here are largely commercial, sulivan, murphy falcon mews, marra etc etc.

Most of the AI breeders in the UK go back to courses and videos produced by comercial guys, the standard of hoods and falcons was never better, as a man who remembers the dark past when only the chosen few got any where ,the commercialist can only offer your money back if you are not satified.

This busness is rife with greed and jelousy. I say if breeding is so easy have a go, stock has never been finer than it is in the biggest breeding set ups here and america do not knock it most people could not get a hawk when i was a kid, Mavro sold birds so did many other the whole thing about anti commercial is the same moaners having a laugh as the do with hybrids and harris hawk do some hawking , falconry will kill it self from the inside if we are not carefull:):supz:

[Dave G]

a good breeder will vet folk and ask lots of questions to gain backround knowledge ;) will not try to sell the bird quicly and have a good reputation and will not be left with birds for long ;)

[Tommy No Mates]

hi m8, may i interject on this one ,i think the comments pass re: after sales care are true and i agree with this 100% ,i recieved this treatment from the breeder of both my birds who regularly made and recieved calls, i for one believe that if you sell a bird to some one you should take all due care to insure the well being of the bird,obviously you cant spend the next year ring around to check all are ok, but the take the money and thats it just may be whats going wrong today.


After sales care?

Please tell me more, because I would have thought you pay your money and that is it?:D

[GoodFooter]

One word - honesty.

Honesty means more than anything else because if you choose to buy the bird at least you know the truth about it's background and origin. A dishonest breeder loses plenty of money in lost sales, has a real bad name and reputation, nobody trusts them, then on top of that the rumours fly !

I've heard stories which make your toes curl over dishonest practices and I'm sure the breeder concerned has suffered financially as a result. Lying or stretching the truth is false economy in the end.

spot on Pete.

[Hawkmaster]

a good breeder will vet folk and ask lots of questions to gain backround knowledge ;) will not try to sell the bird quicly and have a good reputation and will not be left with birds for long ;)
Why should that be up to the breeder? It should be up to the person buying the bird to sort themselves out! Besides that way nobody would get a bird if you were strict!
hi m8, may i interject on this one ,i think the comments pass re: after sales care are true and i agree with this 100% ,i recieved this treatment from the breeder of both my birds who regularly made and recieved calls, i for one believe that if you sell a bird to some one you should take all due care to insure the well being of the bird,obviously you cant spend the next year ring around to check all are ok, but the take the money and thats it just may be whats going wrong today.
that is just dreams mate!

[PeelsBells]

After sales care?

Please tell me more, because I would have thought you pay your money and that is it?:D
After sales care probably worded wrong,someone who will go the extra mile to help with your new bird.

[Hawkmaster]

Like what? Training, advice or just bloodline info?

[PeelsBells]

Like what? Training, advice or just bloodline info?
I would hope for both if i was just starting off.;-)

[FalconMistress]

In my opinion a reputable breeder is someone who is

Honest
Breeding stock kept in good, healthy conditions
someone who is passionate about what they are doing
Someone who is willing to give advice on the phone like trainning, bloodline etc however these questions should be askd previous to the buying and owning the bird and if there not then we get a little concerned
Someone who vets the buyer however somepeople can talk the talk and unfortunatly it is impossible to know whether someone is a good falconer
Some one who shows a high level of knowledge about falconry
someone who persistantly sells quality stock and has the proof of satisfied customers


ATB
Sophie

[Salty]

when you go to buy your bird and its what he says it is,:supz::supz:if its big, small, average whatever as long as its what you expect,[what hes told you it is. no bullsheet]nowt worse when you get there and your thinking this cant be the one hes on about ,:supz:;)

[Tommy No Mates]

hi m8, dreams? might be, but doesnt selling a bop to any one with no fore or after thought result in bop in the wrong hands thereby bringing the art into disrepute not to mention the well being of the bird? you tell me:!:



Why should that be up to the breeder? It should be up to the person buying the bird to sort themselves out! Besides that way nobody would get a bird if you were strict!

that is just dreams mate!

[FlameHairedFalconer]

One of the best breeders I bought a bird from did the following. I went to his house. He took me out the back where he had a large garden and many seclusion pens. I was buying a lanner falcon. He went into one of the aviaries and after a very short time and little crashing about he came out with an eyass. We went into his garage/weighting room and he said, 'do you want to check it?' I said yes, and he handed me the falcon. I was able to check it all over before taking it away.

I'm not sure what he would have done if I had refused to handle the bird or made a pigs ear of handling it, but I suspect had I done so the bird would not have left the premises. A quiet and non confrontational way of checking out a prospective purchaser.