Siberian White gos

[Finnish]

Just found these pics on the web what do you think of these then. I think they look very nice.

[Finnish]

one more

[Sprout]

Nice money too :rolleyes:

[Finnish]

Yes very exspensive i exspect. Is there anyone in the Uk with one of these do you think.

[Sprout]

I think Anton has access to them and also someone with a centre in Yorkshire also has them (sorry forgot his name) but he quoted 7000 a bird I think

[ColdZero]

very nice, i love white RTs too, has there ever been an albino HH?

[Sprout]

Look even better when mature with the red eyes!

[Peregrynne]

nice pics...there is a site listed that adverts greys and whites....will find the listing for it and post it here.

[Peregrynne]

Here it is everyone....no prices but a contact...

Jürgen Kuhlmann Siberian Goshawks (http://www.raptorsnest.com/Kuhlmann/index.htm)

Cheers Peregrynne

[Jay]

more pics at http://www.understanding-goshawks.com/pages/3/index.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Hazardpaintball/Gyrlinka.jpg


Last one I took.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Hazardpaintball/SiberianGos.jpg

[Jastreb]

I put my self on the list at Antje Katrin Bednarek from Germany. She breeds them.
White sibirian male is around 2500 euro. Price depends on size.
Boys I was hawking with one cross between germanyXsibirian-grey wings and white head and belly. Very nice looking male, flying at 1100 grams.
We had two hares and three pheasants that day, he is imprint, very agressive and strong gos.
I will try to found his pics!

[Gaz]

She breeds them.
White sibirian male is around 2500 euro. Price depends on size.
Viktor,are they albidus,butoides..or what dude :?:

[Dude]

my friend also breed them, accipiter gentilis albidus, a.g.buteoides europian goses and their crosses...I think in this year he dont have more, but I think he go 2 the UKraptor fair in next yr but not sure......if someone interested PM me and I give u the num of him :)

[Jastreb]

G-man BUTEOIDES!
I saw few of her's goses-niceeeee!

[GoneHawking]

Lee, I think that bird belongs to the NAFA president, Daryl Perkins? lovely bird, looks big and powerful. :lol:

[Goldie]

Lee, I think that bird belongs to the NAFA president, Daryl Perkins? lovely bird, looks big and powerful. :lol:

It could very well be Darryl's Gos.
If so, it is a Western Siberian Gos (buteoides) by the name of Anadyr.
She is an imprint and flys around the 54oz (1530g) mark.

[M & J Raptors]

Goldie,

Got your PM mate but i cannot send any PMS out, :evil: best contact me on,
aigoskane@aol.com

cheers

Mick

[Goldie]

Will do

[Finnish]

I think that bird belongs to the NAFA president, Daryl Perkins

Yes i think your right mate.

[Hawkmaster]

You guys can always just ask him he is on the forum, you may need to PM him this thread address though?

[Finnish]

He is a nice bloke we met him at the NAFA meet.

[Jay]

All the pics I posted are of Darryls birds.

[Tim Laycock]

I couldnt stand to pay the extra brass!
Pretty bird though!(I suppose all kinds of pretty"Bird" Cost more!! :mrgreen: :lol:

[Kevin Massey]

what are (if any) are the advantages on having a siberian over a finnish goshawk?

kev

[M & J Raptors]

none, :shock:

[Kevin Massey]

my thoughts exactly....... maybe nmake you a little more skint though.

kev

[Tim Laycock]

I suppose it might be a little easier to find on a kill in deep cover without telemetry.
But then again you could buy a new system with the money you save by buying a proper Gos :supz: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Gaz]

Sod all,the"re longer in the tail and £sssssssssss more,thats all Kev :mrgreen:

[MickeyDredd]

what are (if any) are the advantages on having a siberian over a finnish goshawk?

kev

Any disadvantages? (or than price)

[Tim Laycock]

Any disadvantages?

Everyone thinking [glow=red:0b6ce39827]"Look at that flash ba5tard!"[/glow:0b6ce39827] :roll: :evil:

[MickeyDredd]

Any other?

[Tim Laycock]

I need nothing more! :lol:

[MickeyDredd]

So I take it they can do everything a Finnish can then, plus empty your wallet and make folk think your a flash git :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

I think thats about the size of it m8 :mrgreen:

[Matt]

tom graham falconry 01677427755 goshawk albiddus hes in yorkshire i think . grumpy git

[Tim Laycock]

grumpy git

Read as- Proper Gos man!

[Finnish]

tom graham falconry 01677427755 goshawk albiddus hes in yorkshire i think . grumpy git


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????

[Jastreb]

And the price will be (drrrrrrrrrrrrrrums) :twisted: :mrgreen: :!: :?:

[Finnish]

I no some one who bought a 50/50 Finnish/Siberian and he was over the moon with it (NOT) But that's just him not saying anyone eles would not be happy if they bought a bird from him. :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: Never heard a bad word about him and his birds

[M & J Raptors]

he has 4 birds bred by MK

so must be good 8)

[Tim Laycock]

:lol: :mrgreen:

[Jastreb]

Finnish is that bird male or female, and do you maybe know flying weight?

[Finnish]

It was a female price £3500.00. I do no that MK breed's some of the birds he has, which i no for a fact his birds are from good stock. But no one will no what birds he crossed, with the Siberian as the person who told me could not see the parents. Flying weight 2 8 some one might tell me different. Hawkman can tell us for sure. :wink:

[M & J Raptors]

Hi Lee

He has 2 from me, a male called Roman, the biggest i bred, i sold it has a female, it flew at 2lb 4oz imprint, i tried to buy it back several times but he would not sell, cannot blame him really,
he also has a female Lola, which he breeds from also, but he has loads of gosses up there so who knows what hes breeding from.

BC

[Finnish]

but he has loads of gosses up there so who knows what hes breeding from.

This is what i'am trying to say :wink:

[Finnish]

And i here he breed many birds this year also.

[Kevin Massey]

mick just out of interest......does the demand for your gosses out strip the amout that you produce?

kev

[OutFlying]

yes

[Tim Laycock]

:lol:(An understatement!)

[Kevin Massey]

is thet a general thing? ...breeders of pure finnish birds fint that the demand is higher ?

kev

[Wilfred]

Hello,

I think it is just a pitty that people are so eager on the finnish or siberian goshawk...the Euro goshawk is also very okay! and in fact...some years ago I also liked to see the siberian gos a lot. I still find them nice of course, but actually the euro gos is more beautifull..and in the end it is succes in the field that counts. Which depends more on character of the bird and the time and efforts you spend and how good a falconer you are yourself. So for me no special type gos. I would prefer a German gos or maybe would get one out of Czech republic or so. IF i will fly one in next years.

[M & J Raptors]

is thet a general thing? ...breeders of pure finnish birds fint that the demand is higher ?

kev


Hi Kev

I think that most people would prefer to have a Finnish Goshawk, and with the prices coming down a little then they are happy to pay the extra few hundred quid for a quality bred Gos.
a few years ago we bred German gosses and they sold well but we seen the trend towards fins, and once you have flown a good fin, then you will never fly anything else,
prices are dictated by supply and demand, this year it seems a poor breeding year for Fin Females, so prices will stabilize,
i know of 4 breeders of German gosses, that have youngsters they cannot sell,


cheers


Mick

[Tim Laycock]

For my part I prefer the German Goshawk. I feel thair small stature is an asset not a handicap.
This year is a big departure for me with goshawks.
Not only am I imprinting but Im doing it on a finnish Gos.

You know what they say- Dont knock it until you have tried it :lol: 8)

[M & J Raptors]

For my part I prefer the German Goshawk. I feel thair small stature is an asset not a handicap.
This year is a big departure for me with goshawks.
Not only am I imprinting but Im doing it on a finnish Gos.

You know what they say- Dont knock it until you have tried it :lol: 8)

BB i have flown several german gosses and good ones too, but not a patch on the fins, for power and temperament.

this your first Fin ?

[Tim Laycock]

Yes Mick. its my first Fin.
I flew a Fin/German female for a week in Caithness about fourteen years ago.
I was not impressed but then again she had just been got going and she had no fitness at all.

[OutFlying]

When I've flown in company with people who are flying their gosses at pheasants, who have put the same time into them (flown most days) - it always seems to be the Finnish gosses that are the best performers.

OF.

[Gaz]

tom graham
Aint that the bloke who sends you a pic of "his" whites..not knowing that you know its Darryls Gos in the pic :?: (or that Darryl knows he does it cos he sent Darryl the pics :!: ooppps) :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

Darryl knows he does it cos he sent Darryl the pics

Thats a bit of a dropped bollock :lol:

[OutFlying]

:oops: :oops: :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

Some people can only go so far before they slip in a trail of their own bullshit :lol: :lol: :lol: (Exellent!!!)

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Did any one get a price?

[Moses]

very nice bird indeed first time i seen a white gos , def not an albino :D no red eyes and bad sight their :D

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Did any one get a price?

From my limited experience Chuffer Old boy, I'd say £3000 ish & upwards for a male & £5000ish upwards for the female.....

Hydrogen Peroxide from the hairdresser? about £10.

Food colouring (about 75p) always gets the old chins wagging as well, did you ever see my green Gos???

(it's a joke guys......put ya dummies back in!)
Although I kid you not I have had red, green, yellow & blue pigeons before now!

LLL.

[Gaz]

Although I kid you not I have had red, green, yellow & blue pigeons before now
:finga:****##g embarrassing when theyre homers in it....ooops :oops: ..ask the bagger,sorry,i mean hairdresser HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :butthead:

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Did any one get a price?

From my limited experience Chuffer Old boy, I'd say £3000 ish & upwards for a male & £5000ish upwards for the female.....

Hydrogen Peroxide from the hairdresser? about £10.

Food colouring (about 75p) always gets the old chins wagging as well, did you ever see my green Gos???

(it's a joke guys......put ya dummies back in!)
Although I kid you not I have had red, green, yellow & blue pigeons before now!

LLL.


Cheers , Finish it is then

[Hawk2]

wow this bird is beautifull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paris]

Just found these pics on the web what do you think of these then. I think they look very nice.

Hi Lee i have one or two Siberian Goshawks, flying one this Year , she a nice imported imprint hard to get as imprint M8 .


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Regards Harry .

Opps One more female imprint imported Goshawk ,


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[GSP]

Hi Lee i have one or two Siberian Goshawks, flying one this Year , she a nice imported imprint hard to get as imprint M8 .


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Opps One more female imprint imported Goshawk ,


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HPIt's a shame they have to sit on those **** perches though

[Astur]

It's a shame they have to sit on those **** perches though

Cock

[Stu Bailey]

Cock

why?

makes me laugh,people spend thousands on some birds and have them on cheap,tatty perches.:roll:

[GSP]

Cock

If I am a cock for thinking this needs a good clean and sorting out then you are right, maybe it's in better condition and cleaner than your own equipment.

why?

makes me laugh,people spend thousands on some birds and have them on cheap,tatty perches.:roll:
Thankyou

[Sauer]

If I am a cock for thinking this needs a good clean and sorting out then you are right, maybe it's in better condition and cleaner than your own equipment.


Thankyou Lead yourself into that one! big brother has nothing on this forum.

why?

makes me laugh,people spend thousands on some birds and have them on cheap,tatty perches.:roll: LOL:lol:

[Fraser Hamilton]

why?

makes me laugh,people spend thousands on some birds and have them on cheap,tatty perches.:roll:

yeah same hear i still cant understand how pepole can pay x amount for a bird and still not use propper leather good BELLS and swivels and evin down to the glove :roll:

[Gyrkin8]

Very nice

[Paris]

My Siberian Female Imprint goshawk to day, and me with a feeding glove on ,LOL I think it may have blood on it and chick down ,This is for tho,s falconers on the IFF that keep there goshawk in a clinical controlled chamber or Pole perch out side and in side there chambers ,LOL :lol::lol:.


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Regards Harry Pyle .

[Ricky Doe]

Harry, how old is this bird?
Ricky

[AlexB]

Harry is it a small female or a male?? the feet look quite small for a female but a stunning bird none the less.

[Coxley]

:oops:Hi Lee i have one or two Siberian Goshawks, flying one this Year , she a nice imported imprint hard to get as imprint M8 .


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whats she crossed with harry

[Coxley]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/forum/whitegos362.jpgthis bird is a pure bred siberian goshawk albidus...she was bred by keith sherry the only one i know who breeds pure birds..this one is whiter now its gone through the moult:box:

[Ricky Doe]

Dave how is your 50x50 doing
Ricky

[TeeJay]

:oops:
whats she crossed with harry

Man your crossed on the brain:lol:matt white,emulssion white,pearly white,snow white...:lol:hows your girls training comin on Coxley entered yet...Harry some lovely birds there,quite pathetic really nothing constructive can be said prior to his equipment,but does it matter,not to some.

Billy

[Coxley]

Dave how is your 50x50 doing
Ricky
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/003.jpgshes bang on best bird i own...my 50 50 is whiter than harrys pure they must be different types:confused:..hows your bird

[Furgle]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/003.jpgshes bang on best bird i own...my 50 50 is whiter than harrys pure they must be different types:confused:..hows your bird

Stunning bird mate :supz::supz:

[Ricky Doe]

Not got her yet, Sunday is the big day

[Coxley]

Not got her yet, Sunday is the big daybang on how many sleeps.lol till then:supz:

[Ricky Doe]

bang on how many sleeps.lol till then:supz:160 hours lol

[Coxley]

Man your crossed on the brain:lol:matt white,emulssion white,pearly white,snow white...:lol:hows your girls training comin on Coxley entered yet...Harry some lovely birds there,quite pathetic really nothing constructive can be said prior to his equipment,but does it matter,not to some.

Billy
she coming on a treat:supz:

[Paris]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/003.jpgshes bang on best bird i own...my 50 50 is whiter than harrys pure they must be different types:confused:..hows your bird

This is what your bird will look like in 2/3 years much darker then my Goshawk , A 50/50 from K/S ,I just hope you make her a good hunter .?

If any one of you new what you where taking about Re Albidus i may have had a bit more time on my PC, and if you new where they came from ,not all Albidus are Pure White lol , But good luck with your new 50/50 goshawk .

atb HP

[Coxley]

This is what your bird will look like in 2/3 years much darker then my Goshawk , A 50/50 from K/S ,I just hope you make her a good hunter .?

If any one of you new what you where taking about Re Albidus i may have had a bit more time on my PC, and if you new where they came from ,not all Albidus are Pure White lol , But good luck with your new 50/50 goshawk .

atb HPit want a dig harry...sorry if you thought it was...who bred yours? nice bird best of luck with her

[Paris]

it want a dig harry...sorry if you thought it was...who bred yours? nice bird best of luck with her

Dave i am very Please that you got a very nice gos From my Friend K/S

Good hawking in 2011 .:supz:


atvb Harry .

Dave i am very Please that you got a very nice gos From my Friend K/S

Good hawking in 2011 .:supz:


atvb Harry .

A white Siberian goshawk the same age as your goshawk Dave ,This goshawk is as white as snow and another of my goshawks .Albidus ?????


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[Coxley]

Dave i am very Please that you got a very nice gos From my Friend K/S

Good hawking in 2011 .:supz:


atvb Harry .



A white Siberian goshawk the same age as your goshawk Dave ,This goshawk is as white as snow and another of my goshawks .Albidus ?????


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[TeeJay]

she coming on a treat:supz:

Well done Dave:supz:stunning bird

Billy

[Paris]

Siberian Goshawks, www.siberiangoshawks.co.uk/siberian_goshawks.php


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Siberian Goshawks

Article Goshawk
by Mykola Rud © Ukrainian magazine "Naturalist"

From ancient times, exceptional qualities have been ascribed to the white Goshawk, as well as great productiveness in hunting. This is how the well-known author D. Yrsaliev (Ырсалиев) describes the albino form of the Siberian Goshawk, called by the Kyrghyzs tujhun or ak tujhun - literally, “white” and, in falconry context, “noble”: “The tujhun is the best in its hunting qualities, the strongest and the most agile of hawks”. A tujhun’s colouring is white, although light-grey individuals with white-speckled wing and shoulder feathers and greyish plumes are also found. According to hunters, such colouring is the transitory stage to pure white.

One can hunt with tujhun the whole day - it is very agile and therefore rarely misses its game. The word “tujhun” in Kyrghyz language is the symbol of agility and courage, and thus tujhuns are prized very highly. When it is rumoured that a sajatchi(*3) has caught a tujhun, hunters will ride hundreds of miles to buy or simply to see the wondrous bird. For one such bird they would give a good horse or three to four rams. However, tujhuns are found very rarely indeed.

Thus, it is found in written records that passionate Kazakh falconers were ready to give nine cattle and a camel for a white bird (Бабалыков, Турдыбаев, 1989; Симаков, 1998).
Folklore researchers collecting evidence for hunting with birds of prey heard the following from the Kirghiz people:

“Tujhun is the best kyraan (apt, keen bird) of white colour. It reigns above all birds of prey, in hunting takes everything its eye falls on.”

*3. Sajatchi (from Arabian sajad meaning “hunter”) - a hunter; in this context – a falconer hunting with the Goshawk.

Our thanks go to my good friend Mykola Rud for allowing us to use this articl

[AlexB]

Siberian Goshawks, www.siberiangoshawks.co.uk/siberian_goshawks.php


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Siberian Goshawks

Article Goshawk
by Mykola Rud © Ukrainian magazine "Naturalist"

From ancient times, exceptional qualities have been ascribed to the white Goshawk, as well as great productiveness in hunting. This is how the well-known author D. Yrsaliev (Ырсалиев) describes the albino form of the Siberian Goshawk, called by the Kyrghyzs tujhun or ak tujhun - literally, “white” and, in falconry context, “noble”: “The tujhun is the best in its hunting qualities, the strongest and the most agile of hawks”. A tujhun’s colouring is white, although light-grey individuals with white-speckled wing and shoulder feathers and greyish plumes are also found. According to hunters, such colouring is the transitory stage to pure white.

One can hunt with tujhun the whole day - it is very agile and therefore rarely misses its game. The word “tujhun” in Kyrghyz language is the symbol of agility and courage, and thus tujhuns are prized very highly. When it is rumoured that a sajatchi(*3) has caught a tujhun, hunters will ride hundreds of miles to buy or simply to see the wondrous bird. For one such bird they would give a good horse or three to four rams. However, tujhuns are found very rarely indeed.

Thus, it is found in written records that passionate Kazakh falconers were ready to give nine cattle and a camel for a white bird (Бабалыков, Турдыбаев, 1989; Симаков, 1998).
Folklore researchers collecting evidence for hunting with birds of prey heard the following from the Kirghiz people:

“Tujhun is the best kyraan (apt, keen bird) of white colour. It reigns above all birds of prey, in hunting takes everything its eye falls on.”

*3. Sajatchi (from Arabian sajad meaning “hunter”) - a hunter; in this context – a falconer hunting with the Goshawk.

Our thanks go to my good friend Mykola Rud for allowing us to use this articl

Nicely copied again Harry, but I reckon folks on here would rather hear more about your hawks and your hunting exploits with them, so tell more on your new white hawk.

Alex

[Paris]

Nicely copied again Harry, but I reckon folks on here would rather hear more about your hawks and your hunting exploits with them, so tell more on your new white hawk.

Alex

Again you make me LOL , please tell me how long you have been flying and Hunting Goshawk ,and how many season with the same goshawk NOT one full Hunting season with one goshawk, when you have been flying a goshawk for 5 year,s or so then you may ask me for some Advice RE Flying goshawks but till then Please keep given your Expert Advice to all the Falconers on the IFF most have been Flying and hunting goshawk much longer then YOU , LOL


Harry .

[Sauer]

They are stunning looking birds is it a hindrance being white as Goss as they use stealth?

[AlexB]

Again you make me LOL , please tell me how long you have been flying and Hunting Goshawk ,and how many season with the same goshawk NOT one full Hunting season with one goshawk, when you have been flying a goshawk for 5 year,s or so then you may ask me for some Advice RE Flying goshawks but till then Please keep given your Expert Advice to all the Falconers on the IFF most have been Flying and hunting goshawk much longer then YOU , LOL


Harry .

Now Harry play nice, lets try and put aside our vast differences especially the fact I actually to get out and hunt birds.

I for one couldn't give a stuff about you or your birds but understand others do, so why not give out some accurate information about them, when and if you do start to hunt them. Will be good to see a hunting diary as such with your new charge, it's been a while since you were posting on Paris's hunting days. And as far as asking you for advice...don't think that would ever happen...there are far more qualified I would ask including a few who have been hunting birds less time than me.

Alex

[Paris]

They are stunning looking birds is it a hindrance being white as Goss as they use stealth?

Hi Richard the winter are very Long in Siberia ,A white goshawk fits in very Nice
When Hunting Prey .



atb HP

[Lee Brindley]

A white Siberian goshawk the same age as your goshawk Dave ,This goshawk is as white as snow and another of my goshawks .Albidus ?????


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Hi Harry.
I notice that your white goshawks seem to have a lot of damage to their tails. Would you say that the feathers are weaker than "normal" coloured birds?

[Sauer]

Hi Richard the winter are very Long in Siberia ,A white goshawk fits in very Nice
When Hunting Prey .



atb HP Hi you should pick some gound a bit closer to home lol Ok have you found it a hindreance at any time?

[Paris]

Hi Harry.
I notice that your white goshawks seem to have a lot of damage to their tails. Would you say that the feathers are weaker than "normal" coloured birds?

Hi Lee hope you are well ,This young gos had been in a Box for some 2 day
and just tip some tail Feathers and yes the Feathering seem soft but not weaker ,as say a finland gos .But they do not get as wet as a normal goshawk when in the Rain .


atvb HP

Hi you should pick some gound a bit closer to home lol Ok have you found it a hindreance at any time?

I will let you Know when i take her hunting this season ,:supz:

[Lee Brindley]

Hi Lee hope you are well ,This young gos had been in a Box for some 2 day
and just tip some tail Feathers and yes the Feathering seem soft but not weaker ,as say a finland gos .But they do not get as wet as a normal goshawk when in the Rain .


atvb HP



I will let you Know when i take her hunting this season ,:supz:

Thanks Harry.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is melanin which gives the feathers both the dark colouration and strengthens them.
ATB, Lee.

[Sauer]

Hi Lee hope you are well ,This young gos had been in a Box for some 2 day
and just tip some tail Feathers and yes the Feathering seem soft but not weaker ,as say a finland gos .But they do not get as wet as a normal goshawk when in the Rain .


atvb HP



I will let you Know when i take her hunting this season ,:supz:look forward to that and have a good one

[TiercelMan]

Just read this thread, and if your talking about whiter than white goshawks, I still haven't seen any whiter than the Australian White gos owned by a friend more years back than I care to remember.
I still think it's a cosmetic exercise 'cos white doesn't make them fly better:roll:

Alistair

[Paris]

My Little Female White Siberian goshawk with little Feet , As Alex has said the expert on the IFF re all goshawks LOL .

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Harry is it a small female or a male?? the feet look quite small for a female but a stunning bird none the less.
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This Goshawk have very nice big Feet, bigger then my Finland goshawks ,IE Longer Feet and thicker legs .

Regards Harry Pyle .

[AlexB]

Harry it didn't appear to have large feet, but as I said a stunning bird. Lets see what it does out in the field for you, have a good safe season when your out hunting. As far as an expert..no well read yes. Happy to bow to those with greater knowledge and happily for and take advice from likewise.

Alex

[Lee Brindley]

My Little Female White Siberian goshawk with little Feet , As Alex has said the expert on the IFF re all goshawks LOL .

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This Goshawk have very nice big Feet, bigger then my Finland goshawks ,IE Longer Feet and thicker legs .

Regards Harry Pyle .

Those feet do look quite small with slender toes and pale talons. These are often quoted as being characteristic of albidus. :supz:

[OutFlying]

Sometimes it helps to have something to compare the size to - they do look like slender toes and not overly large or out the ordinary - but big enough to do the job.

Jim.

This girl has large feet in relation to her body size, same size as a larger female gos.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/Mabel/Feetcompare.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/Mabel/onthepost.jpg

[Big JoeJoe]

Sometimes it helps to have something to compare the size to - they do look like slender toes and not overly large or out the ordinary - but big enough to do the job.

Jim.

This girl has large feet in relation to her body size, same size as a larger female gos.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/Mabel/Feetcompare.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/Mabel/onthepost.jpg

Stunning lookin bird Jim

Joe

[Paris]

Thanks Harry.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is melanin which gives the feathers both the dark colouration and strengthens them.
ATB, Lee.

Hi Lee the Feather is made of Keratin it the same as your hair is made of .Not melanin M8.The goshawk the last of the dinosaur , Meat eater,s the hunter,s of Prey wild game .

Bird feathers are amazingly complex. Each feather is made from the protein Keratin. While keratin also makes up snake and lizard scales, it is a slightly different compound in birds. The three main types of feathers are the filoplumes (sensory feathers), the contour feathers, and the down feathers,

Feathers and down Feathers ,

The next most important feathers on a bird are the down feathers. These are smaller and lack the barbules and their accompanying hooklets so they are not zipped together and do not look so neat.

All birds need these Feathers to Fly .

Regards Harry Pyle .

Hi Lee the Feather is made of Keratin it the same as your hair is made of .Not melanin M8.The goshawk the last of the dinosaur , Meat eater,s the hunter,s of Prey wild game .

Bird feathers are amazingly complex. Each feather is made from the protein Keratin. While keratin also makes up snake and lizard scales, it is a slightly different compound in birds. The three main types of feathers are the filoplumes (sensory feathers), the contour feathers, and the down feathers,

Feathers and down Feathers ,

The next most important feathers on a bird are the down feathers. These are smaller and lack the barbules and their accompanying hooklets so they are not zipped together and do not look so neat.

All birds need these Feathers to Fly .

Regards Harry Pyle .

The goshawk 20 million years a go .116500pterodactyl

[BMCDonagh]

[QUOTE=OutFlying;1743675]Sometimes it helps to have something to compare the size to - they do look like slender toes and not overly large or out the ordinary - but big enough to do the job.

Jim.

This girl has large feet in relation to her body size, same size as a larger female gos.



You can sort of gauge when you look at the widith of the wrist on that glove and imagine it on your arm then it would be quite a span of foot on the goss but like you said it does help if you got something to compare. All best. P.S lovely looking birds both of them

[It's Alright Ma]

Thanks Harry.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is melanin which gives the feathers both the dark colouration and strengthens them.
ATB, Lee.

Hi Lee,

I don't believe that melanin provides strength as such, just protection from the sun.

Johny

[Coxley]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/keith029.jpgwhat this harry a bit of fun thats all no mallice

[Barton]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/keith029.jpg

im pritty sure thats annie wot osky flew

[Coxley]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/keith029.jpg

im pritty sure thats annie wot osky flewcorecta mondo:lol:

[Lee Brindley]

Hi Lee the Feather is made of Keratin it the same as your hair is made of .Not melanin M8.The goshawk the last of the dinosaur , Meat eater,s the hunter,s of Prey wild game .

Bird feathers are amazingly complex. Each feather is made from the protein Keratin. While keratin also makes up snake and lizard scales, it is a slightly different compound in birds. The three main types of feathers are the filoplumes (sensory feathers), the contour feathers, and the down feathers,

Feathers and down Feathers ,

The next most important feathers on a bird are the down feathers. These are smaller and lack the barbules and their accompanying hooklets so they are not zipped together and do not look so neat.

All birds need these Feathers to Fly .

Regards Harry Pyle .



The goshawk 20 million years a go .116500pterodactyl


You're quite good at googling, Harry. Here is a little something that I found. You may be particularly interested in the parts highlighted in red (from Wikipedia)


The colors of feathers are produced by the presence of pigments, or by microscopic refractive structures, or by a combination of both.

Most feather pigments are melanins (brown and beige pheomelanins, black and grey eumelanins) and carotenoids (red, yellow, orange); other pigments occur only in certain taxa – the yellow to red psittacofulvins[21] (found in some parrots) and the red turacin and green turacoverdin (porphyrin pigments found only in turacos). Structural coloration[4][22][23] is involved in the production of blue colors, iridescence, most ultraviolet reflectance and in the enhancement of pigmentary colors; structural iridescence has been reported[24] in fossil feathers dating back 40 million years. White feathers lack pigment and scatter light diffusely; albinism in birds is caused by defective pigment production, though structural coloration will not be affected (as can be seen e.g. in blue-and-white budgerigars).


A feather with no pigmentFor example, the blues and bright greens of many parrots are produced by constructive interference of light reflecting from different layers of the structures in feathers, in the case of green plumage in addition to the yellow pigments; the specific feather structure involved is sometimes called the Dyck texture.[25][26] Melanin is often involved in the absorption of some of the light; in combination with yellow pigment it produces dull olive-greens.

In some birds, the feather colors may be created or altered by uropygial gland secretions. The yellow bill colors of many hornbills are produced by preen gland secretions. Other differences that may only be visible in the ultraviolet region have been suggested[13] but studies have failed to find evidence.[27] Uropygial oil secretion may also have an inhibitory effect on feather bacteria.[28]

A bird's feathers undergo wear and tear and are replaced periodically during its life through molting. New feathers, known as blood, or pin feathers (depending on the stage of growth) when developing, are formed through the same follicle from which the old ones were fledged. The presence of melanin in feathers increases their resistance to abrasion.[29] One study notes that melanin based feathers were observed to degrade more quickly under bacterial action, even compared to unpigmented feathers from the same species, than those unpigmented or with carotenoid pigments.[30] However, another study the same year compared the action of bacteria on pigmentations of two song sparrow species and observed that the darker pigmented feathers were more resistant and they cited other research also published in 2004 that stated increased melanin provided greater resistance. They observed that the greater resistance of the darker birds confirmed Gloger's rule.[31] The evolution of coloration is based on sexual selection and it has been suggested that carotenoid-based pigments may have evolved since they are likely to be more honest signals of fitness because they are derived from special diets,[32][33] or because carotenoids are also required for immune function.[34]

[OutFlying]

http://falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=116500&d=1314640434

It must have been a bast$$$d to imp .............

[Ricky Doe]

and the top lip needs a snip:lol:

[Coxley]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/whitegos363-2.jpgmy mates bird bred by keith sherry its alot whiter this year:supz:

[OutFlying]

Hello Dave,
Is your female flying free yet, if so how is she doing ?

Yours Jim.

[Coxley]

Hello Dave,
Is your female flying free yet, if so how is she doing ?

Yours Jim.
abit noisey but getting there:yawinkle:

[OutFlying]

What stage is she at Dave ? good luck with her for the season.

Jim.

[Lee Brindley]

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/space1001/whitegos363-2.jpgmy mates bird bred by keith sherry its alot whiter this year:supz:

Thats an intermewed bird then Dave? Looks like a juvenile with those breast markings.

[Coxley]

Thats an intermewed bird then Dave? Looks like a juvenile with those breast markings.
its a imprint she is white as snow most of them flecks have gone now:box:

What stage is she at Dave ? good luck with her for the season.

Jim.
she is hitting the rabbit lure hard but a little bit noisey thats hall?:rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

Shouldn't be long now then Dave, has she been an easy going imprint so far ?

Atb,

Jim.

[Coxley]

Shouldn't be long now then Dave, has she been an easy going imprint so far ?

Atb,

Jim.no.but not bad in the same breath..just the noise thats all...but what a good bird in other ways very friendly..but thats imprints for you :yawinkle: