Training on a Static Line

[hazadaks]

h all,
just thought id put a post up to see what you all thnk about static line training, i have had my 10yr old mhh for a fortnight now, dropped the weight from 1.10oz down to just under 1.7oz over 13 days and have got him flying to me 100m on the static line i made, (before some of the all high and mighty brigade critisises me for it i wll say that the line is rope no snags or knots, it is from one perch straight to another take off is into the wind and the leash he is on is long enough for him to touch the ground if he decides to bait off or be layzee and land on he floor)
any how not having an old bird before and with him just being used for breeding for 5yr the word unfit doesnt describe the little fella, that combined with the fact i dont know of any bad habits he may allready have helped me in my decision to do it.
i strung it out to the 100m connected him up and put him on the perch, i walked 20 or so metres away and called him to me, he came instantly i put him back on the perch and walked the full length again offered him food and he came again, this time i let him fly back to the perch at the end he'd flew from, i did this for 3 d.o.c's torn into half bits i was quite impressed i have to say.
i returned him to his mews and gave him another d.o.c as he'd really impressed me and am going to just bring his weight down again and let him try flying free over my hunting ground if he catches which i am hoping he does he will be put down to moult.
i am just wondering if anyone else on here uses a static line and what results they have had with it?? i have put a pic i have took underneath incase you havent got a clue wtf i am on about and can if anyones interested put you pics of the equipment i use to attach him to it as i find a ring is too heavy cheers :)

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/hazadaks/birdpics024.jpg

[EdenJohnny]

Hi, I did the same thing exactly with My second hand bird, picked up late last November,. I found it much easier to use than the creance. which can get tangled and snagged. I thinkn it is a wonderful idea. ATB Johnny

[Sean D]

I like the looks of that as it eliminates snagging a creance on the ground but it seems like you've put quit a lot of work with the HH for one Kill only and he will probably struggle as you pointed out he is very unfit and game are fit with plenty of cover.
Well done hope you get him entered pretty soon

[Shaun Bannister]

well done on getting your bird to a responsive weight but i would advise you bin the creance now if the bird is keen enough to come instantly over 100m there really is no need for it in addition his fitness will improve even more so once he is loose as for getting him entered the clock has pretty much already ticked over to be honest and baby bunnies are hardly a challenge ,id suggest you get him loose get him a kill then put him up for the moult

[hazadaks]

cheers for the replies guys,
yeah the static does reduce tangles, knots etc i personally like it but thats me :)

shaun there is loads and loads of babies about and i agree they ent a challenge however he hardly saw daylight for 5yr and was wild when i got him, so im thinking if i give him a shot at a little bunny if he catches great put him down asap. I am hoping for a kill asap really as i want to put him down but alo i want to see the rewards for the time spent mannng and creance flying before i do call it me being over keen :) i also think that if he does get a catch he'l remember it for when he comes out the moult and hopefully wont of forgotten everything lol ...

[FalconGriff]

I been using it for the last 15 odd years, I thought I had invented it!! I use it for falcons as well with never a problem!

[Shaun Bannister]

well well done for reaching this point with him but really you need to sack that thing now ,it has its uses in many places and ways but i would hazard its passed its sell by date now with your bird ,as has been pointed out here and elswhere some of what you mention is potentially to the detriment of the community dmay well result in you losing potential permissions to say nothing of a shot bird or the law knocking at your door !,i would suggset you go find some vast wide open spaces get him loose enjoy it a little then let him moult he'll be just fine for next season personally if i had to resort to chickens to get a defined kill id take up knitting instead

[Dean]

Hey thats magic,the birds only going one place once it leaves it perch and thats the fist,even if it doesnt want to!!!How do you know when its reactions are correct?:roll:

[TLDWB]

I did something similar with a eagle. The rope ran along the ground to two well anchored points. Stay clear of those pheasants.

Tom

[FalconGriff]

Hey thats magic,the birds only going one place once it leaves it perch and thats the fist,even if it doesnt want to!!!How do you know when its reactions are correct?:roll:

It goes sideways the long line has enough stretch in it to gently brake the bird and it stops on the ground without the sudden jolt you can get from a normal creance if you you have over extended your bird. When I lay it out the long line is only just off the ground to make shore the birds wings don't hit it. It is particularly uiseful for small birds Kestrels, Spars and smaller who can barely pull a 25 yard line as the birds is only lifting six foot or so at any time.

[FalconGriff]

Another thing that it is good for is fitness training with the bird pulling a light chain. Again this is a constant rather than if you use a heavy line something that is getting heaver and heaver the further the bird comes to you.

[hazadaks]

hi all, firstly i was only messing about the chickens and pheasants lol you guys ned to chill a bit lol, but i spose thinking bout it there would be some idiots who'd actualy do that so i spose the replies are correct!!!! my bad lol
right in answer to you dean i have found that the reaction is correct when i walk away from putting him on the perch he looks at me only at me and nothing else as he knows i have the food as soon as the glove moves to offer him it he is flying towards me simple as that really hth :)
falcon griff i find with the harris that its easier to have the line up about 4ft off the ground as the hh will jump into the wind then dip towards the ground then lift to land on the glove :)

lastly i have just had my hh out for its first free flight!!! bloody nerve racking i tell you lol he has a bad habit he lunges at the glove and tries to rip the food out of your hand so thats it moult time now or so i thought!! i put him out on his perch and gave him another chick as a treat and went home to get some food myself i was gone literally 10mins came back NO BIRD!!!!! the leash is in half (clean cut) and im really worried as the jesses must still be attached there is loads of woodland around me for him to get snagged on i dont know whats happend the leash was solid when i attached him????? i have spent 5 hours looking for him so time to phone the ibr and then get back out bummer as its pi****g down now hope i find him :( :(

[Ben C]

Spars and smaller who can barely pull a 25 yard line .

Just get a thinner/lighter line then. :lol::lol::lol:

[Shaun Bannister]

hi all, firstly i was only messing about the chickens and pheasants lol you guys ned to chill a bit lol, but i spose thinking bout it there would be some idiots who'd actualy do that so i spose the replies are correct!!!! my bad lol
right in answer to you dean i have found that the reaction is correct when i walk away from putting him on the perch he looks at me only at me and nothing else as he knows i have the food as soon as the glove moves to offer him it he is flying towards me simple as that really hth :)
falcon griff i find with the harris that its easier to have the line up about 4ft off the ground as the hh will jump into the wind then dip towards the ground then lift to land on the glove :)

lastly i have just had my hh out for its first free flight!!! bloody nerve racking i tell you lol he has a bad habit he lunges at the glove and tries to rip the food out of your hand so thats it moult time now or so i thought!! i put him out on his perch and gave him another chick as a treat and went home to get some food myself i was gone literally 10mins came back NO BIRD!!!!! the leash is in half (clean cut) and im really worried as the jesses must still be attached there is loads of woodland around me for him to get snagged on i dont know whats happend the leash was solid when i attached him????? i have spent 5 hours looking for him so time to phone the ibr and then get back out bummer as its pi****g down now hope i find him :( :(


i doubt he'll have gone far get everyone in the bloody street out looking for him NOW


good luck

[FalconGriff]

hi all, firstly i was only messing about the chickens and pheasants lol you guys ned to chill a bit lol, but i spose thinking bout it there would be some idiots who'd actualy do that so i spose the replies are correct!!!! my bad lol
right in answer to you dean i have found that the reaction is correct when i walk away from putting him on the perch he looks at me only at me and nothing else as he knows i have the food as soon as the glove moves to offer him it he is flying towards me simple as that really hth :)
falcon griff i find with the harris that its easier to have the line up about 4ft off the ground as the hh will jump into the wind then dip towards the ground then lift to land on the glove :)

lastly i have just had my hh out for its first free flight!!! bloody nerve racking i tell you lol he has a bad habit he lunges at the glove and tries to rip the food out of your hand so thats it moult time now or so i thought!! i put him out on his perch and gave him another chick as a treat and went home to get some food myself i was gone literally 10mins came back NO BIRD!!!!! the leash is in half (clean cut) and im really worried as the jesses must still be attached there is loads of woodland around me for him to get snagged on i dont know whats happend the leash was solid when i attached him????? i have spent 5 hours looking for him so time to phone the ibr and then get back out bummer as its pi****g down now hope i find him :( :(

If he fat and not hunting he wont go far tops 800 yards probably a lot nearer tucked up in a handy tree

[Ben C]

Keep calm, stay methodical and keep looking.

[FalconGriff]

Just get a thinner/lighter line then. :lol::lol::lol:

Thin light lines tangle round blades of grass to annoy you! If there is one thing that drives me to distraction is when the bird comes quickly only to be arrested as the line wraps round a blade of grass. At this stage I normally throw caution to the wind and let it fly free!!

[Ben C]

Thin light lines tangle round blades of grass to annoy you! If there is one thing that drives me to distraction is when the bird comes quickly only to be arrested as the line wraps round a blade of grass. At this stage I normally throw caution to the wind and let it fly free!!

I first saw the static line at your centre griff...I like the look of them if truth be told.

[hazadaks]

well i have found the little cherub!!! being harrased by crows :box:lol i had to cross the river tees to get him which my girlfriend was really pleased about as she got dragged along with me NOT!! so he is now tethered up again in his mews and will be totally put down for the moult now, my question is now though as he has had a taste of freedom will when i man him and re-train him will he not just decide to ****** off again when i fly him free??

[Steve.T]

the leash is in half (clean cut)

this tells me that maybe it was cut and the bird was stolen not escapee

[Leo 1]

the line is to hi it shued be peged to the ground and runing just abuve the gras if im not mistacern
but as far as im conserned statik lines are not safe to mutch to go rong

[Steve.T]

tig..

if done properly mate,they are very safe,as long as it is not so high that the bird is hanging should it snag in any way....

a 3 ft runer with the line no more than a foot of the ground is fine.......

[FalconGriff]

They are very safe Tigger I use them daily to demonstrate at public displays how we train out birds. They never tangle, if the bird goes sideways its brake in flight is much more gentle and best of all they are hardly aware they are on a creance weight wise so that when they go free for the first time they are going the same speed rather than 100 mph because they have just lost the drag on the line!!

[Kiki]

Hello glad you got your bird back you done a good job on getting him free when hh try and snatch the food from the fist normally down to being over or too low in weight i would say too low for your bird but i could not say that for sure without seeing the bird fly

ps: You talk about putting him up for moult if it was me training him i would get him flying and following on well before i did that should make it easier when you bring him back out

ATB

[Leo 1]

tig..

if done properly mate,they are very safe,as long as it is not so high that the bird is hanging should it snag in any way....

a 3 ft runer with the line no more than a foot of the ground is fine.......

welll u oveasly no more than me so i will takeyour word for it in the pic it looks to be way way to hi but i have thort about giving it a go but i no i wood have the line a **** load lower to the flore so it is litroly just abuve the grass mite try it wen i start traning my fhh it just seams to me that u have no controle over it at all as all i can ceap seing is the peg been pulled out and then the bird is off with a line hanging from its jesses but oveasly u have tryed the metherd so u no more than i do about it :lol:

[Steve.T]

i agree,in the pic it is higher than i would have it.

if your bird tends to fly higher of the ground just increase the lenth of the drag

[Leo 1]

i agree,in the pic it is higher than i would have it.

if your bird tends to fly higher of the ground just increase the lenth of the drag

ye defo what lenth peg's wood u recomed for the line to peg to the ground in soft ground i can see the gd sied to it as it wood stop the bird bating of to the left or the rite in to a tree and snaging the creons so gd idea for that

[Steve.T]

in soft ground you could push it in about 10" or so....so poles of 2 feet is plenty i guess.

[Leo 1]

in soft ground you could push it in about 10" or so....so poles of 2 feet is plenty i guess.

nice1 chears m8 so i will go for 2/harf then to be on the safe sied lol my hh has fines her moult with puting her down erly but she on eggs so i still carnt do owt lol

[Steve.T]

:supz::supz:

[Tony350i]

hi has any one got any close up pics of the lines in use and the way they are attached to the bird and the length of drag and to the static line its self. thanks TC

[Leo 1]

hi has any one got any close up pics of the lines in use and the way they are attached to the bird and the length of drag and to the static line its self. thanks TC

as far as i no the line is just a normle creons with anuther 3foot creons atatched to a swivle witch gos on to the mane line and then the 3foot line atatches to the mews jesses in the same way u wood tiy ya creons to the bird
i think :lol:

[hazadaks]

Hello glad you got your bird back you done a good job on getting him free when hh try and snatch the food from the fist normally down to being over or too low in weight i would say too low for your bird but i could not say that for sure without seeing the bird fly

ps: You talk about putting him up for moult if it was me training him i would get him flying and following on well before i did that should make it easier when you bring him back out

ATB

cheers, i am sssoooooo releaved i thought he'd been knicked like!! but he's safe and sound thank god :), i have thought about what you have wrote above and it makes loadds of sense, i feel that because of his past having not been handled at all for 5yr and then me getting him and handling him for a fortnight (which tbh is a right pain in the a-hole and annoys me to death it needs to be done though) that by putting him away and spending the time manning even more then when he comes through it i can go straight into re-training and introducing lures etc so then if he does decide to go again (am not sure how he did anyway?) i will have a great chance of getting him back right away instead of walking out for oh must be about 10hours looking for him crossing 3 river junctions phoning the ibr and police and being worried sick lol i dont know though??? decisions decisions lol i am reluctant to let him off now for fear he'l go again tbh :(

[Graham Stuart]

You say you have never trained an old bird before and you started falconry 2 years ago but in your profile you have trained and flown all these birds....
hector a 4yr old mhh, mannd and hunted pigeon,duck, WORMS!! and rabbit :)
mitzi a 6yr old fhh,achillies a 5yr old mhh,ben a 3yr old bengalie eagle owl,molly 4yr old euro eagleowl, 5 barn owls ..
sorry if im easily confused mate, I take it you have telemetry on your bird...Graham

[Shaun Bannister]

glad you got your bird back ,i have to say some of the stuff your writing is seriously basic stuff you should've had squared away well before you got a bird, i mean if the principal that once hes tasted freeedom he might not want to come back was applied across the board then there wouldnt be any falconry full stop ,its just bloody daft, of course itll come back if its on weight and trained correctly ,just get the bird moulted out and get some reading done and preferably source an experienced falconer nearby to explain the process in detail to you as i think you need to grasp the basics a little

[hazadaks]

You say you have never trained an old bird before and you started falconry 2 years ago but in your profile you have trained and flown all these birds....
hector a 4yr old mhh, mannd and hunted pigeon,duck, WORMS!! and rabbit :)
mitzi a 6yr old fhh,achillies a 5yr old mhh,ben a 3yr old bengalie eagle owl,molly 4yr old euro eagleowl, 5 barn owls ..
sorry if im easily confused mate, I take it you have telemetry on your bird...Graham

yeas m8 thats right i have worked with all of these whilst in JAIL (happy i have shared the fact i have been to prison now??) so pretty much all had been manned before i came along by others on life sentances.
I never mentioned that i had trianed all of these birds the only bird that hadn't really been touched was hector so i got him to man and see if i could do out with him and i did after spending 9 hours a day everday for at least 2-4 month because theres not lot else to do inside, i'm so sorry if you feel i should bow down to what seems to be your infinate wisdom, (that aint just aimed at you graham by the way, theres too many on here are the first to comment like that) we cant all have extensive knowledge of falconry can we??? we all got to start somewhere and yeah i am a little rusty as i have been out now for just over a year and am eventually in the postion where i can afford to own a wonderful creature like a b.o.p, spend the time to get it right and hopefuly have some fun watching it fly wether it hunts or not.
i am a bit rusty and the confidance level is a little low at the moment and isnt helped by people trying to slag me off, any how no there was no telem on him but we have him back now anyhow so all i can do s let him go through the moult and start again from day 1 i am pretty sure that my confidance will be fine then, and h'l be right

cheers for the reply :)

[Ben C]

yeas m8 thats right i have worked with all of these whilst in JAIL :)


No wonder you didn't go hunting then....:lol::lol:

[FalconGriff]

The one we use at the Centre the long line is far thicker than normal creance at least 4 or 5 mm line, This is pulled drum tight about 2 inches above the ground. On that is a stainless swivel with the light line 2mm permanently attached to the swivel this is maybe 10 feet long so it can be used for falcons as well which may veer sideways in the wind but still coming to you. This is left permanently out stretched between two posts. I find it works very well with a lot to recommend it over a normal creance apart from the fact you can't drop it in your bag. Not that I EVER go hawking without a creance as it has many uses apart from training a bird like winding up a bird that wont let you approach it, pulling a lure along so it is well away from etc.

[hazadaks]

No wonder you didn't go hunting then....:lol::lol:

well nah i went hunting with him but i could only go inside the jail!!! there was quite a lot to go for actually lol loads and loads of ducks and pigeons, and everything else mentioned on my profile thingy ma jig lol its far better being out though as i could now go anywhere i wanted to :)

grff, i am going to try your way of using the static line as you appear to have great knowledge in there use, keeping it low to the ground etc it makes a lot of sense really :)

[Ben C]

well nah i went hunting with him but i could only go inside the jail!!!


PMSL PMSL PMSL PMSL PMSL..............so what was the punishment bit of being in jail???? Sound like heaven to me. :supz::supz::supz:

[Graham Stuart]

yeas m8 thats right i have worked with all of these whilst in JAIL
Thats whats known as DOING BIRD.... :yawinkle:.........Graham

[Shaun Bannister]

well nah i went hunting with him but i could only go inside the jail!!! there was quite a lot to go for actually lol loads and loads of ducks and pigeons, and everything else mentioned on my profile thingy ma jig lol its far better being out though as i could now go anywhere i wanted to :)

)


was a guy named reg bond involved in this ?

[hazadaks]

ben c, was like a holiday really, fed, clothes washed, t.v, stabbings, slashings etc lol the only down side to it was the fact you are in there with complete and utter scumbags who have rbbed and beaten old grannies etc sick, i loved the job was wicked :)

lol doing bird thats a cracker :supz: and i never heard of reg bond?? there was a guy called stewart mcnab though he was mad into it and had rote a few books on falconry, he also used to proof read peoples books before they went to be printed, really knew his stuff like, ah well am out of that world now thank god, i miss the birds though :)

[Leo 1]

any one no whear i can fined any info on this metherd as i am planing on giving it a go

[Tommy No Mates]

hi m8, your thread as do other threads lead to some interesting posts and points of view[static line use] but what puzzled me is why you left the bird unattended whilst you got some lunch,i can understand within your old place of residence that there maybe no predators around but now youve taken a position outside, a word of warning you should never leave your bird unattended even in your own garden[foxes,cats,etc]please take this in good faith and not as a slagging off, i wish both you and the bird good luck for the future;)

[TheFerretMan]

going to try that this yr looks good

[BobWright]

I use this method, but not just to check a Bird after a lay off like the moult, for fitness and strength too. I use a heavier Line from the Jesses to a Swivel which is attached to the long line with a Rabbit Purse Net Ring. The heavier line varies in length depending how far down the Road I am in fitness training, the longer the line the more weight, usually use a weighted long net drop line, Just another method of trying to get a Bird fitter/stronger. Further on in training, you have the Bird come uphill and watch those Wings puuummmmp.
I seem to remember, when I was a kid, this was an accepted method of training a BOP, in the early stages, a static line.

[Leo 1]

well i tryed this metherd for the first time yesterday oveasly my liine was a hell of a lot lower lol and i mist say i pnow prefer it after one day :supz:

[Tim Laycock]

My only concern with this method is that a hawk in training my attempt to overshoot the glove and be pulled up most abruptly!
Theres a lot to be said for the old fashioned creance and the drag it affords in this respect.

[Whistler6752]

I been using it for the last 15 odd years, I thought I had invented it!! I use it for falcons as well with never a problem!

:lol: I used it 20 odd years ago and I thought I'd invented it !, you can't do much, that's not been done before. :roll:

[HalkyWalky]

if i was you now you have started with his training i would continue so both you and him get confident together.

[Biarmicus]

In response to this thread regarding the static line... I have found this quite interesting.

I myself have not used this system. But wonder if a "gentle braking system" might work... personally I don't know, but have drawn up a system which adds a second line to the static line.

Where the second line attaches to the static line it is sewn together and the join is tightly shrink-wrapped to prevent snagging...

Should the bird fly past the falconer and continue on; the leash ring/clip would cause the second line to tighten and thereby gently slowing the bird before hitting the end of the static line preventing injury.

As said before I have not tried this method, so opinions are welcome...


Brittney

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/picture.php?albumid=636&pictureid=1590

[Pertie]

In response to this thread regarding the static line... I have found this quite interesting.

I myself have not used this system. But wonder if a "gentle braking system" might work... personally I don't know, but have drawn up a system which adds a second line to the static line.

Where the second line attaches to the static line it is sewn together and the join is tightly shrink-wrapped to prevent snagging...

Should the bird fly past the falconer and continue on; the leash ring/clip would cause the second line to tighten and thereby gently slowing the bird before hitting the end of the static line preventing injury.

As said before I have not tried this method, so opinions are welcome...


Brittney

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/picture.php?albumid=636&pictureid=1590
You really need to give some more detail and if possible a sketch. Where along it's length is the static line joined to the second line?