NanChang

[Leiferouis]

Sorry, I cant type in Chinese. Please move this topic if it does not belong here.

I am going to NanChang, JiangXi province over the summer, I was wondering if there are any falconers or falconry related stuff over there that I could check out.

[AccipiterFreak]

Sorry, I cant type in Chinese. Please move this topic if it does not belong here.

I am going to NanChang, JiangXi province over the summer, I was wondering if there are any falconers or falconry related stuff over there that I could check out.

no problem Louis, I'll translate your message here.

我今年夏天要到江西南昌, 我想在当地拜访当地鹰师或参与鹰猎活动.


(论坛上有朋友可以帮助这位外国鹰友吗?)

[Tongmenxiu]

no problem Louis, I'll translate your message here.

我今年夏天要到江西南昌, 我想在当地拜访当地鹰师或参与鹰猎活动.


(论坛上有朋友可以帮助这位外国鹰友吗?)

当地只有贩子，没有玩鹰的，未来三个月内我会不定期拜访南昌，有空的话可以保持联系。
也许以后也定居南昌了:(
麻烦老秃大师翻译下，英文太烂，懒得打，哈

[AccipiterFreak]

Hey Louis,

Mr. Tong, Menxiu has answered to your call. He will visit Nanchang periodically in the next 3 month. He might reside there, too. Anyway, keep in touch with him. He also mentioned that there is nothing going on except a few hawk dealers. (you know, summer is pretty dead for falconers world wide).

[Leiferouis]

Thanks Mr. Tongmenxiu. I have sent you a pm with my email, feel free to email me when you arrive there. I will be arriving around 7/01/09. I want to find some traditional equipment such as hoods etc to bring back, a fellow Canadian has asked me for this favour. Also, accipiterfreak, I am not a foreigner, I am chinese, I just can't type chinese and hardly read, I am an immigrant who forgot the words, I can speak fluently but not read or write.

Yeah I know that summer isn't hunting season so falconry isn't active, I've heard that Chinese falconers release their birds in spring and don't keep them over the summer as a tradition.

[AccipiterFreak]

坛上的朋友这段需要翻吗?

(Louis, I am just asking my Chinese fellow falconers if they need translation.)

hey Louis, nice to know that you are a Chinese falconer. Tong doesn’t have to worry about speaking English (I know he speaks good English, he is just lazy). There are two extraordinary traditional Chinese hood makers here in this forum, “peregrine” and “China hood”. You can contact them for the hoods.

[XiaoDong]

7月 正是松子百胸放的最冲的时候 不过不知道江西什么情况

[AccipiterFreak]

7月 正是松子百胸放的最冲的时候 不过不知道江西什么情况
谢啦!没你提醒, 我都忘了中国国粹,春夏的放小鹰.

[Leiferouis]

ill be there on july 2nd. hope to see some falconry. I heard shrikes are often used in china. can anyone tell me more about this?

[XiaoDong]

前两年我倒是拍过一段不太成功的伯劳狩猎视频 但是不知道上传到中国的视频网址在这里能不能播放
用伯劳狩猎 在中国只有北京能看到 据我所知 在其它省市是没有的 也没有这个传统 不过要到每年的深冬才能放猎
Alan Gates先生对此也有了解 可以试着联系一下他 论坛中的 Alan G
话太多了 我翻译不了了 麻烦哪位仁兄给帮个忙吧 谢谢啦:supz:

[Leiferouis]

XD could someone help me translate the above post? I can only understand a few characters.

[Leiferouis]

I have arrived yesterday. And just to update, my grandfather and I have asked around in the local bird and fish markets to summerize our results, falconry is not practiced in Nanchang. And eagles/hawks (not sure which species they were talking about because they used the word "Lao Ying" which I'm not sure whether refers to eagle or hawk.) are only kept in zoo-like facilities by people with special licenses because they are one of the most protected species. Not sure about falcons because i don't know the specific words for falcon or anyother species.

[AccipiterFreak]

前两年我倒是拍过一段不太成功的伯劳狩猎视频 但是不知道上传到中国的视频网址在这里能不能播放
用伯劳狩猎 在中国只有北京能看到 据我所知 在其它省市是没有的 也没有这个传统 不过要到每年的深冬才能放猎
Alan Gates先生对此也有了解 可以试着联系一下他 论坛中的 Alan G
话太多了 我翻译不了了 麻烦哪位仁兄给帮个忙吧 谢谢啦

I have a shrike hunting video clip made in 2 yrs ago. I don't know if you can play video clip from Chinese video sharing website? Hunting with shrikes is a Beijing specialty, so far as I understand; you can't find people in other Chinese providences practice this art, and they don’t have this tradition, too. Shrike hunting is only practiced in late winter.
Mr. Alan Gate understand this practice pretty well, you can try to contact him. He is Alan G on this forum.
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[XiaoDong]

谢谢:supz:

[AccipiterFreak]

不好意思，搬到波多黎各一个多月了，到昨晚才拉好网路线。个位多包函。

[Java Falconer]

I have a shrike hunting video clip made in 2 yrs ago. I don't know if you can play video clip from Chinese video sharing website?

我可以看吗? 谢谢。

[AccipiterFreak]

Xiao Dong 哥，人家印尼的鹰友也想看放伯劳的视频呢！

[CanadaManada]

I have arrived yesterday. And just to update, my grandfather and I have asked around in the local bird and fish markets to summerize our results, falconry is not practiced in Nanchang. And eagles/hawks (not sure which species they were talking about because they used the word "Lao Ying" which I'm not sure whether refers to eagle or hawk.) are only kept in zoo-like facilities by people with special licenses because they are one of the most protected species. Not sure about falcons because i don't know the specific words for falcon or anyother species.

You're getting the "tourist" line there, friend.
You need to dig deeper and tell them you're a falconer, yourself. Keep at it and somebody will come out of the woodwork. There are falconers all over China - they just don't announce it to random Canadians travelling through.
Are you going to Beijing or Shanghai, at all?

Justin

[XiaoDong]

Xiao Dong 哥，人家印尼的鹰友也想看放伯劳的视频呢！[/quote]
叫小冬就行了:supz: 加哥就折杀了。。。。。。
视频在56.com 不知道他们能不能打开 而且还是没抓着 东西太小而且太快 手头的机器追不上 自己拍着玩的
加个链接试试吧http://www.56.com/u81/v_MjY2OTYwMTQ.html
视频到一半时候 能看到一条白线向前 那个就是伯劳挂的窝子线
今年冬天再拍 5D mark II 的视频功能比较可靠:heart:
麻烦您给解释一下吧

[AccipiterFreak]

to non-Chinese speaking folks, Xiao Dong has posted the link to the shrike hunting clip. Give it a try, see if you can open the file.

[Java Falconer]

我一定看。谢谢。

[Leiferouis]

You're getting the "tourist" line there, friend.
You need to dig deeper and tell them you're a falconer, yourself. Keep at it and somebody will come out of the woodwork. There are falconers all over China - they just don't announce it to random Canadians travelling through.
Are you going to Beijing or Shanghai, at all?

Justin
Yeah I guess I can't introduce myself as a passerby whos just curious. But my grandpa is a local they wouldn't think of him as a tourist.

[Leo 1]

to non-Chinese speaking folks, Xiao Dong has posted the link to the shrike hunting clip. Give it a try, see if you can open the file.

it works for me m8 i am actuley verry intreaged my the pics what tip of bird is it an what do u do with them exetra

[Leiferouis]

i saw the video however, the bird didn't really show up good.

[Leo 1]

i saw the video however, the bird didn't really show up good.

i dant see it at all just a aley way and people chating in the bk ground

[AccipiterFreak]

I couldn't see anything neither, but Xiaodong will make another clip this coming winter with better camera. The shrike was released in the middle of the clip when the sparrows scatered (we are should have seen a line fly by :) )........
anyway, Xiaodong did his best, hopefully, he will show a better one next time.

[XiaoDong]

So this video unsuccessful:oops:

[Leo 1]

So this video unsuccessful:oops:

ye but was not your foult u tryed it will be hard to get a video clar of a small bird u tryed ya best

[Leiferouis]

thanks for the effort. your video just made me even more curious about shrikes. Too bad I cant fly one in nanchang.

[XiaoDong]

Have the opportunity to Beijing
Between November-January in winter
Shrike hunting Can see

[Leiferouis]

FOUND! I found a falconer in Nanchang. Chinese falconry is a lot different from what I've heard from the internet. :-| Apparently the government has severe punishments for those who practice falconry without a license (I heard it was almost impossible for them to issue you one in mainland China). I posted a blog (http://gacs.blog.com/) about my "adventures" in search of falconry in China. My blog sucks, its just a free one I quickly registered for so please don't be too judgmental.

[Keith Barker]

FOUND! I found a falconer in Nanchang. Chinese falconry is a lot different from what I've heard from the internet. :-| Apparently the government has severe punishments for those who practice falconry without a license (I heard it was almost impossible for them to issue you one in mainland China). I posted a blog (http://gacs.blog.com/) about my "adventures" in search of falconry in China. My blog sucks, its just a free one I quickly registered for so please don't be too judgmental.

very interesting, please update your blog for us.
keith

[Leiferouis]

Sorry for the long delay, I have finally gotten to update it. http://gacs.blog.com/falconry-in-china-nanchang

[Java Falconer]

Just read your blog again. Thanks for sharing some info. I know it's not that long and clear but I can get a lot of info about falconry in China ;)
Would like to know the contact person. Perhaps, when I visit China I could call him and share more about Chinese falconry with him. Thanks.

[AccipiterFreak]

Sorry for the long delay, I have finally gotten to update it. http://gacs.blog.com/falconry-in-china-nanchang

song-zi is a male Japanese sparrowhawk, not a merlin

[Leiferouis]

Probably thought I was describing a sparrowhawk then. Common error. But from what I read from Mr. Alan Gate's gallery/blog, merlins are "favoured as street hawks and flown after sparrows" and that kestrels are favoured above merlins, which makes me assume that the merlins Mr. Gates were referring to were quite commonly used in China. Based on that, I figured that when I described "very small, specialize in catching birds, flutters really fast" he would think "merlin". Either way, its my fault for being stupid and not keeping in mind the common confusion between sparrowhawk and merlin when I was talking with him. I'll mention the mistake on the blog later. Thanks for pointing it out. I should have known better.

This reminds me, before anyone accuses me of spreading false information about Falconry in China. My blog may not be entirely accurate, I am merely summarizing what I remember from our discussions, which is basically that man telling me what he remembers about his falconry experiences. I might have interpreted and/or translated some of the things he said to me the wrong way. Please keep in mind of this when you're reading my blog, I just wanted to share what I have been told. However, I can assure you that the information on my blog is completely from our discussions, the parts I couldn't remember, I did not enter in.

[AccipiterFreak]

Leiferouis no worry about that, it took me years to figure out the Chinese bird names. here is a good source of Oriental names for birds of prey http://www.cjvlang.com/Birds/accipitridae1.html

[Java Falconer]

Leiferouis no worry about that, it took me years to figure out the Chinese bird names. here is a good source of Oriental names for birds of prey http://www.cjvlang.com/Birds/accipitridae1.html

Nice info. Xie xie ni ;)

[Leiferouis]

Thanks for the interesting link, btw, I have updated my blog with the correction.