Eggs

[Steve.T]

i am just wondering if any breeders sell fertile eggs and if so what sort of price...

i know in a couple of years time i will want a longwing,maybe another pere x lanner or maybe something with saker in it.

i think buyng an egg would be a lot cheeper than buying the actual bird.

your views please breeders.

[Matt.Leese]

i am just wondering if any breeders sell fertile eggs and if so what sort of price...

i know in a couple of years time i will want a longwing,maybe another pere x lanner or maybe something with saker in it.

i think buyng an egg would be a lot cheeper than buying the actual bird.

your views please breeders.

i am also very interested. but can the suppliers garentee fertality?:D

atb matt

[AlexB]

Main question is, why would you take the chance of it going wrong? Why not just buy the chick and imprint if thats what you want.

cant see why a breeder would sell the egg, he doesnt know whats in it if its fertile could be male or female how would it be priced somewhere in the middle?

ATB

Alex

[Matt.Leese]

Main question is, why would you take the chance of it going wrong? Why not just buy the chick and imprint if thats what you want.

cant see why a breeder would sell the egg, he doesnt know whats in it if its fertile could be male or female how would it be priced somewhere in the middle?

ATB

Alex

if you get an egg then i think you will be just taking a gamble, you may come lucky you may not :lol:

[Berkut]

There is no way a breeder will sell you a fertile egg.

[Matt.Leese]

There is no way a breeder will sell you a fertile egg.

if their wsa no chance of eggs. how much would a newly hatched chick cost copared to the origonal price? :)

[Steve.T]

alex.

at the end of the day,for me,it comes down to price.

the buying of a chick seems another option.

again ,i can only relate to canaries as it is what i breed at the moment,i have sent eggs to Ireland where they have been hatched successfully.

as for fertility then you would to wait till eggs could be checked,then though,the egg/s would have to be collected because once incubation has started you cannot send through the mail...

[Berkut]

if their wsa no chance of eggs. how much would a newly hatched chick cost copared to the origonal price? :)

Exactly the same price , whether a day old or hard penned and ready to train.

Neil

[Steve.T]

There is no way a breeder will sell you a fertile egg.

why do you say that

[Matt.Leese]

why do you say that

i have also heard in the past of breeder selling eggs. when you think about ti the breeder will save money on food, time etc. plus he will be getting a sale which they may struggle to get later when the eyass is ready:)

[Steve.T]

i cant understand how a new hatchling can be priced the same as one say,15 weeks old.

it has to be quite a bit cheeper as the breeder has not had to feed it all that time.....

what i aim to do is this.

i am not sure when ,but i would like to get a female falcon that i can fly for a while then breed from,i know i will not be able to afford a breeding pair so AI is the only other option,so my female will hae to be an imprint yes???

so,if i am to have an imprint i may as well get her from day 1 rather than day 70+..

[Berkut]

why do you say that

I know a lot of breeders and it isn't even a question you would ask them. What happens when you make an a r s e of incubation and it doesn't hatch. Will you be asking for your money back. There are a stack of breeders on here and I'll tell you now , you won't find one that will sell you an egg. No way.

Neil.

[AlexB]

alex.

at the end of the day,for me,it comes down to price.

the buying of a chick seems another option.

again ,i can only relate to canaries as it is what i breed at the moment,i have sent eggs to Ireland where they have been hatched successfully.

as for fertility then you would to wait till eggs could be checked,then though,the egg/s would have to be collected because once incubation has started you cannot send through the mail...


I think most breeders will sell an egg at top price possible for spieces or hybrid and thats if they would sell an egg. Would only make sense. If you wait a few weeks you get a healthy hatched chick of the sex you want. Just makes better sense that way.

Alex

[Kentish Falconry]

There is no way any breeder in his right mind would sell you a fertile egg for you to hatch yourself. We are already running our Incubators, Hatchers & Brooders so we would not save any time or money by selling a fertile egg, If for some reason you failed to hatch the egg what would you be saying about the breeder as 100% you would blame the breeder for your loss.
So if you think about it logically then you would see there is no way a breeder could afford to do this especially as you want to buy it cheaper and it may well turn out to be the best Falcon in the clutch
Terry :)

[AlexB]

i cant understand how a new hatchling can be priced the same as one say,15 weeks old.

it has to be quite a bit cheeper as the breeder has not had to feed it all that time.....

what i aim to do is this.

i am not sure when ,but i would like to get a female falcon that i can fly for a while then breed from,i know i will not be able to afford a breeding pair so AI is the only other option,so my female will hae to be an imprint yes???

so,if i am to have an imprint i may as well get her from day 1 rather than day 70+..

An imprint is only relative from day 9 or so onwards as before this they wont see you anyway. Most breeders will sell at this age or as soon as the rings on. So either way you get the bird imprinted the way you want.

Alex

[Steve.T]

What happens when you make an a r s e of incubation and it doesn't hatch.

of course not,it i make a mess of it then it is my loss..........

[Berkut]

I have imprinted a variety of raptors over the years and would never insult a breeder by asking for a discount for a young chick. If I was selling young chicks for imprinting and you asked for a discount, I would tell you to get on yor bike.

Neil

[Tommy No Mates]

hi m8, its an interesting question,but the idea would not appeal to me, too many things to go wrong ,and i dont think any breeder would want to sell a fertile egg cheaper , it dont make any sense too, cost nothing for the female to to incubate and it does not cost anymore money to incubate 1 egg or twenty eggs in an incubater.




i am just wondering if any breeders sell fertile eggs and if so what sort of price...

i know in a couple of years time i will want a longwing,maybe another pere x lanner or maybe something with saker in it.

i think buyng an egg would be a lot cheeper than buying the actual bird.

your views please breeders.

[Steve.T]

So if you think about it logically then you would see there is no way a breeder could afford to do this especially as you want to buy it cheaper and it may well turn out to be the best Falcon in the clutch

as already stated,once the egg had been sold then it is the responsibilty of the buyer,no come backs.

it could also be the runt of the clutch,its the risk you are taking.

before we get all heated, this is only a hyperthetical question,its just options i am thinking about.

[AlexB]

Think the main problem here is there is a misunderstanding of the age required for quality imprinting.

When you buy a chick at say 10 days old it will be only as good an imprint as your able to make. it wont be any better if collected as a fertile egg and hatched by you. Go to a good breeder and order a 10 day old female of your choice collect and imprint. takes away any worries of hatching etc. Also stops any chances of arguments should the egg not hatch. Once you have your own breeding birds then worry about hatching etc.

ATB

Alex

[Steve.T]

I have imprinted a variety of raptors over the years and would never insult a breeder by asking for a discount for a young chick. If I was selling young chicks for imprinting and you asked for a discount, I would tell you to get on yor bike.



maybe not you,but breeders will certainly charge more if you ask them to hold on to a bird for an extra month so why not less for a month earlier.

[Berkut]

There is no way any breeder in his right mind would sell you a fertile egg for you to hatch yourself. We are already running our Incubators, Hatchers & Brooders so we would not save any time or money by selling a fertile egg, If for some reason you failed to hatch the egg what would you be saying about the breeder as 100% you would blame the breeder for your loss.
So if you think about it logically then you would see there is no way a breeder could afford to do this especially as you want to buy it cheaper and it may well turn out to be the best Falcon in the clutch
Terry :)


My thoughts exactly Terry.

[Berkut]

maybe not you,but breeders will certainly charge more if you ask them to hold on to a bird for an extra month so why not less for a month earlier.


Never had a breeder charge extra for keeping a bird for longer.

Neil.

[FalconGriff]

There is no way I would sell a fertile egg, I can't think of a faster way of losing friends!! I do sell chicks for imprinting but only to people I am 100% sure know what they are doing and I never sell them any cheaper Its no problem to me to give a few extra rats to parent birds against the cost of the chick they cost nothing. We do imprint very few birds for close friends who appreciate how much time goes into doing it properly (its not just hand raising) and we do charge quite a lot for the service.

[Kentish Falconry]

as already stated,once the egg had been sold then it is the responsibilty of the buyer,no come backs.

it could also be the runt of the clutch,its the risk you are taking.

before we get all heated, this is only a hyperthetical question,its just options i am thinking about.

Even if you made it clear that you would take the risk of the egg hatching I can't see one breeder who would do this if they did then they are very silly.
Also your point about Imprinting from day one would not help in any way.
I sell chicks for Imprinting but I don't see why I should sell for less than I would if the chick was hard penned and parent Reared, breeders are doing you a favour allowing you to take a chick for Imprinting it is far better for us to sell you a young adult than an Imprint in addition to this you are talking about a Hybrid in your first post and they may not be a fertile specimin so you would have wasted your time and money Imrinting a bird that will never produce a viable chick for you.
Why not allow the breeders to do their job and then pay the going rate for a chick be it an Imprint that you can take at 10 to 14 days or a Parent reared bird all this looking to cut your costs will not work
Terry :)

[Steve.T]

ok people,so an egg is out of the question,that option is now closed.
a hybrid female may prove sterile so that option is now closed.

how much am i looking at for an imprinted female .....

saker
peregrine
lanner
lugger
gyr

[Mick]

if your looking to cut costs i wouldnt be thinking about a female gyr dont take this as set in stone but i think female gyr are 4grand plus may be wrong

[Steve.T]

if i hadnt put the gyr there someone would have said "what about the gyr"..

seems every way i look at it people are saying no.

all i want is a rough idea of prices,surely someone can answer with a lecture.

[Matt.Leese]

if your looking to cut costs i wouldnt be thinking about a female gyr dont take this as set in stone but i think female gyr are 4grand plus may be wrong

female gyr 4k plus, i have even seen them go for 12k. lanner 350-550. think female pere are about 800 +

[Matt.Leese]

steve contat MARRA on the forum (amphrope falcons) she will send you a price list for 2009 eyass's:)

[Steve.T]

how come then i se birds on here for as litle as 200 or 300, is this because they are adult

[Matt.Leese]

how come then i se birds on here for as litle as 200 or 300, is this because they are adult

what birds thou, tiercel pere, lanners, sakers, luggers,gyrs, hybrids? :)

[Steve.T]

over the last month there has been a few and defo less than 400 quid....

[Goldie]

As has been already said, you are not likely to get an egg. However if you were able to get one at YOUR risk, and for an example it was a peregrine. The breeder would be expecting that egg to hatch whilst in his care and charge the going rate for it at imprint age. Not knowing the sex whilst an egg, he would charge the price of a female £800/£1000.
You buying an egg would cost you the same with no guarantee of success as opposed to buying it at imprint age knowing it is sexed and healthy.

You also have to remember there are a few unscrupulous breeders out there that would be only too happy to sell you an egg provided you sign away your rights if you fail to get it to hatch (and it won't).
Every one of the breeders that have replied on this thread have infertile eggs (including myself) but they will all end up in the same place, the bin. Unfortunately not everyone cares about their reputation for the sake of a few quid.


Its a no brainer really.

Jim

[Steve.T]

jim.

i can see your point mate,there are those that will sell clear/unfertile eggs....

i am looking at other option now..

maybe a male that can be used as a doner for now

[Matt.Leese]

over the last month there has been a few and defo less than 400 quid....

what type of bird thou?:)

[Steve.T]

matt.

take a look through the for sale section mate for the last month,you will see what i mean.

[Ben C]

how come then i se birds on here for as litle as 200 or 300, is this because they are adult

If they are second hand its because they may have faults. Not all falconers do a good job with their hawks/falcons.

[Steve.T]

true

[Goldie]

If they are second hand its because they may have faults. Not all falconers do a good job with their hawks/falcons.

No sh** Sherlock :lol:

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[Ben C]

No sh** Sherlock :lol:

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:supz::supz:

[Shaun Byrne]

i cant understand how a new hatchling can be priced the same as one say,15 weeks old.

it has to be quite a bit cheeper as the breeder has not had to feed it all that time.....

what i aim to do is this.

i am not sure when ,but i would like to get a female falcon that i can fly for a while then breed from,i know i will not be able to afford a breeding pair so AI is the only other option,so my female will hae to be an imprint yes???

so,if i am to have an imprint i may as well get her from day 1 rather than day 70+..

Hi Steve, dont really understand what you are saying here?

You want a female with the option to breed from her at a later date but cant afford a male to go with her. If you do a bit of research into breeding with AI you will find that its generally far more expensive and time consuming than breeding natural pairs. Your best bet would be to fly a PR bird for a couple of seasons then either look for a male bird for sale at around the age you need or buy another eyas and wait a little longer to start breeding.

HTH

Shaun

[Steve.T]

thank shaun....

i am looking at all the options bud

[AvianManagement]

i am just wondering if any breeders sell fertile eggs and if so what sort of price...

i know in a couple of years time i will want a longwing,maybe another pere x lanner or maybe something with saker in it.

i think buyng an egg would be a lot cheeper than buying the actual bird.

your views please breeders.

For a UK species it would be illegal as the law prohibits the selling of eggs