TOM THE GOS

[Jastreb]

Yo boys, and girls!
I already told you that I am making one test!
Here is my tiercel gos Tom.
I picked him yesterday from my friend. He imprinted Tom for me, and another friend imprinted female gos from my breed for him.
They are bouth briliant imprints. We did that because we want to test will they screaming or not.
He is 640 grams at the moment and I start training. He don't bate, and it is very very tame.
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

And this hawk have an attitude. He is not affraid of anything.
Look at that dogie, Tom wants him hardly :twisted: :twisted: !

[Jastreb]

Gooooood booooooy :twisted: 8) :twisted: 8)!

[OutFlying]

It will be interesting to see the difference it makes having someone else do the first stage of imprint training / rearing.

OF.

[Jastreb]

I will post you about the details!

[Adam Barrett]

another great looking bird that you have there jastreb mate.

Just out of intrest what birds are you flying this year?

Cheers
Adam

[Finnish]

I'am looking forward to seeing the out come of some one eles doing the first bit. He looks very nice. Keep us posted on how you get on.

[Jastreb]

I will flying Ida the Spar, and Tom the Gos.
It will be hellowa ACCIPITER SEASON :twisted: :supz: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Finnish]

will flying Ida the Spar, and Tom the Gos.

Good luck. 8)

[Jastreb]

Today 608 grams, when he saw me he gave 2-3 calls, and he stops.
Three flights on my glove from 2,5 meters, 4 DoCs!
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

615 grams, five flights at five meters, two calls and thats it, very tame and calm, he cleand his beak at my fist!
Cheers Jastreb

[Gaz]

Hark at that Viktor..gos...thats a musket dude :finga: :butthead: :mrgreen:

[Jastreb]

You know GAZ MAN, that only top falconers are flying musket :finga: :finga: :finga:
And, my friend I have somethig else what is big enough to make me a man :finga: :mrgreen: :butthead: , I don't need big gos on my fist!
Cheers mate
Jastreb

[OutFlying]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

my friend I have somethig else what is big enough to make me a man , I don't need big gos on my fist!
:oops: :lol:

[Jastreb]

615 grams, first time out in the field, it was raining and I just put him under the big tree. One jump on the glove-3 meters, 1 jump on the lure-5 meters! Very calm, I was driving him next to me, he didn't bate.
P.S. That was before flying spar :evil: :evil: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

:D Good stuff Jastreb!

P.S. That was before flying spar

I dont know how you find the time :rolleyes: :mrgreen: <--(Envy)

[Jastreb]

BB my another imprint, you saw her before, gives me a time, and thats the time I have :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I will try to ENTER her in falconry, and that will be like training hellowa wilde gos :supz: :supz: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

:lol: 8) :wink:

[Jastreb]

AND THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 600 GRAAAAAAAAMS
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:!
Fist, lure, following on, what ever you want-littel nois, but for a few minutes, briliant on the seat next to me in the car :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

1 lb 3 1/4 oz for those of us that still work in "Old money" :D

[Jastreb]

Thanks mate!
Cheers Jastreb

[Matt]

jestrab is tom a gos taken from a wild pairs eyrie them imprinted or is he captive bred ?
also how much money do goss and spars fetch in croatia ?

dont worry about the rain you are having over there its red hot here. im manning up a sakeret for a friend and its making things quite difficult because of the heat the bird has little or no intrest in the food he is offerd by the time he is intrested ( well after dark in ) im tired and have little patance for him . im preying for some rain to sharpen him up so we can start to move in the right direction.
all the best matt

[Jastreb]

No, he is my breed, I have imprint female, you can finde post here on the forum if I remember in imprint section imprint section. It is illegal to take birds from wilde only if you are part of Raptor rescue team then you can have some injured bird to take her back in condition and return in the wilde!
Price for male gos is from 700-900 euro, and for female gos from 1000-1300 euro.
Sparrow hawk is from 200-350 euro.
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

605 GRAAAAAAAMS, OH BOY, OH BOY :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: , it is the only way to show his emotion.
Screaming a bit, but it is ok!
Can wait to enter him :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen: :supz: :supz: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

610 grams, briliant on 30 meters. Instant respons on the fist and the lure, a bit vocal until we didn't start training session, after that totaly quite!
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

Yo Gaz dude,it's that enough BLOOD for you :twisted: :twisted: , here is my musket :finga: :mrgreen: :butthead:!
My friend gave me chance to try this year pheasant in his 10 acres of land :twisted: 8) :twisted: 8) :twisted: 8) !
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

More BLOOD :twisted: :twisted: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Gaz]

Thats a musket on a mouse :!: come on Vic dude :butthead: ....you cant fool me :supz: look at they tiny yellow feet :shock: :finga: :mrgreen: :finga:

[Tim Laycock]

You two crack me up :lol: 8)

[BirdMan64]

hay Jastreb I wonder what would happen if you did'nt have that fence between him and the dog :shock: 8)

send us some pictuers will ya LoL :yawinkle:

[Gaz]

:finga: :mrgreen: :finga:

[Jastreb]

I will :finga: :finga: :mrgreen: :supz: !
Gaz, three big mouse like ONE COOK PHEASANT :finga:!
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

Advice please:
Tom start to refuse emidiate flights to the lure, he maybe fly once and then he is just sitting and watching, but he starts to fly on the fist very fast and in the few secs. My worrie is what will happen when he will be on the very high top of the tree. He was imprinted on the lure, and my female always comes back on the lure from any distance.
Cheers Jastreb

[M & J Raptors]

Advice please:
Tom start to refuse emidiate flights to the lure, he maybe fly once and then he is just sitting and watching, but he starts to fly on the fist very fast and in the few secs. My worrie is what will happen when he will be on the very high top of the tree. He was imprinted on the lure, and my female always comes back on the lure from any distance.
Cheers Jastreb

Too high in weight, if not corrected soon it will become a problem later, one big mistake when imprtinting is to hunt with the hawk before any obedience,


BC

[Tim Laycock]

I agree. as with a parent reared obedience is paramount in Goshawks.
A gos will not become fist/lure bound in the same way as a buteo.
When they are obedient to recalls they can soon be "switched on"
(You probably know this already Jastreb :D )
Posted purely for information only m8 :wink:

[Gaz]

I agree. as with a parent reared obedience is paramount in Goshawks.
A gos will not become fist/lure bound in the same way as a buteo.
When they are obedient to recalls they can soon be "switched on"
Hmm..what about explaining this/expanding on it in the training pr gos thread dude,....you star you :!: :finga:

[Tim Laycock]

Dont think there is much to explain really Gaz.
Infact I have never come across a Goshawk that required much switching on.
what I tend to do is get the obedience sorted somewhere where there is no game to be had as such(I find sports fields and the surrounding areas where people walk dogs ideal)
When the bird is obedient it will be well on its way to being muscled up and pretty much developing a switched on attitude because of this.
As far as the final switching on goes, I have never flushed game close to a Goshawk that was obedient to the fist without it switching itself on :wink:

Im sure In not telling you anything new Gaz :mrgreen: 8)

[SakerYZF]

What is it your planning to hunt with him Jastreb? Just feather? ( The Gos i mean). :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

Just feather?
There is not much meat on a feather! :wink: :lol:

[Jastreb]

Thanks boys, I was also thinking that weight is a problem, I will cut him a bit down.
SYZSF mostly feather because we unfortunatly don't have rabbits and manny hares. Pheasants, partridges, rooks, crows well anything I can finde with wings, and if he shows will to try hares-I WILL BE HONOURD :twisted: :mrgreen:!
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

Partridges sound fun:) how big are the hares are they brown hares? ( i can feel a scarcastic comment coming from bb already) :P
Didn't know europen male goshawks took hares , sounds good :mrgreen:

[Jastreb]

***cing big from 5-6 lb (2 - 3 kg)!
I tried it once before, and it is not fun for the bird believe me-BUT HE WANTED TO TRY!
But I will try again :supz: :mrgreen: :twisted: :twisted: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

If you dont try- You get nothing!

[Jastreb]

Cheers BB M8 :supz: :supz: !

[SakerYZF]

Guess if he grabs one close up u might get a hand on it , its amazing to think they even chase summin like that, looking forward to hear how you get on , pick mine up in less than a week .. getting itchy feet!:P

[Tim Laycock]

I know its not a Gos :roll: but I have seen a male harris absolutley nail a hare to the ground and it was only flying at 1lb 4oz :shock:

[SakerYZF]

LOL! love to have seen that , Gutsy little number there:P
My little male sakeret grabbed one and did a little cowboy rodeo for about 100 yards before letting go.

[Jastreb]

SYZF I had chance to see three or four male gosses which was very good on hares. But after season they were looking like Rocky in Rocky IV, when he had a match vs. Drago :D :twisted: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Tim Laycock]

:lol:

[SakerYZF]

haha! fair play n what weight are these goshawks at , do they not feed them for a week or summin:P

[Jastreb]

They were from 620-700 grams, flying weights. It is not important how often do they feed them, it is important what was their food when their were not flying :twisted:
Only feeding on whole dead hares or hare lure, it works believe me, but you can have much easier job if you get female :D !
Cheers Jastreb

[Moses]

You know GAZ MAN, that only top falconers are flying musket :finga: :finga: :finga:
And, my friend I have somethig else what is big enough to make me a man :finga: :mrgreen: :butthead: , I don't need big gos on my fist!
Cheers mate
Jastreb


lol well said jas :D nice one haha , beautiful bird u got their mate

[Moses]

just read all of the thread, a very good read and highly entertaining, jastreb nice write up mate :) excellent for experience for myself

cheers

[Jastreb]

Cheers Moses mate!
I will post some new things about changed imprints, but I am writing all the details down on the paper!
Cheers Jastreb

[Moses]

Cheers Moses mate!
I will post some new things about changed imprints, but I am writing all the details down on the paper!
Cheers Jastreb

thanks alot jas i appreciate it :)

mate it would be nice if u start a weeks course for beginners , i would luv to fly over and pay for it :D haha

u sound cool as **** 8)

[Jastreb]

Ok mate, and because you start that idea it will be free of charge for you and a few hunderds :drinkers: :partyman: on me!
Cheers Jastreb

[Moses]

lol mate my good friend u too generous :D for your own good, u too kind bros

u ever come by to scotland u send me a message bros u can stay at my home and u will luv the asian curries :D but u will be going to the toilet too often we do luv chillies haha

thanks alot bud im glad i met an awesome chap like yourself , always luv reading your posts, their totally different and u can feel the passion , your one crazy and cool falconer :D i like it

[Jastreb]

No probs m8, and chille always!
Cheers Jastreb

[Jastreb]

Always is intresting to fly these imprints:
I was looking two days for a good slip and I finaly found it today morning. BUT, Tom was higher then usual-600 grams and he is perfect at 585 grams so he was not very keen and much intrested :evil: :evil: , well that's falconry!
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

what was the slip? Pick up my gos in the moring... highly excited!!!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Jastreb]

Pheasant was the slip, how was with your gos?

[SakerYZF]

Went well, over with all the equipent ready , jessed him up , got a weight , came out at 1lb 13 n 7/8s , not a bad weight! got some photos of him , soon as i find a place to hoast i'll get them on :wink:

[Jastreb]

Is he german male, PR or imprint?
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

Yeah hes a German PR male , im following the method in IF, for parent reared goshawks , just seemed a nice way of doing things:D

[Jastreb]

Nice!
I was hawking half an hour ago, he was at 580 grams, and that's ok weight. He starts to fly at everything. It was three quail slip but it was not over the point so he didn't catch it. I think a bit more weight reduction will be needed.
Give us pics SYZF!!!!
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

I'll sort some out tonight ,:D

[SakerYZF]

Can't really get a great pic of him atm as im not doing any "formal" manning yet, i've got this one of my Friend weighing him after being jesses up. I'll post more as i get more into the training.

[SakerYZF]

erk should have made that abit smaller methinks do'h ! never mind get a nice close up anyway, sorry for thouse of you still using a modem !! :oops:

[Jastreb]

NIce one give one on the day light when it will be chance!
How is training progress?
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

Well ,i've been visiting him every morning, throwing down his food and blowing the whistle( as advised) and he is calming down , im basiacly waiting for him to start eating while im there watching , and i'll procced from there. How's yours going got any more picies!? :P

[Jastreb]

One quail today and another two flights withouth succses!
I didn't have my camera with me but I will put up some pics soon!
Cheers Jastreb

[Gaz]

came out at 1lb 13 n 7/8s
Fair play,thats some size for a Ger/male dude :shock:

[OutFlying]

I think its part finnish from earlier threads.

[Gaz]

:idea: :finga:

[Jastreb]

Cmon Gaz don't be opssesd with big GOSSES :finga: :finga: !
Cheers Jastreb

[Gaz]

Yo dude,DRE on his first "kill"(as far as hes concerned it was) 802 grm.
With Lily riding shot-gun

[Gaz]

:finga: :finga: :finga:

[Jastreb]

Is that grey partridge m8?
He is mantling like imprint :finga: :partyman: !
Nice flying weight!!!!
Cheers Jastreb

[Gaz]

Is that grey partridge m8
Nah dude,..quail on the lure :lol:
Nice flying weight!!!!
not hunting weight though dude..not yet...just flying...concentrating on manning (no,not on the fist for hours :evil:he"ll get enough of that hunting )dog,lure and...fitness..want to get him on rabbit AND feather...got some wild pheasants round here that like to sit in a launcher :!: :!: ..How fu####g weird is that :?:

[SakerYZF]

Is he a pr then Gaz?
Mine's father had 1/8th finnish in him , his brothers from the earlier clutch are flying at 1 lb 7-8 , which is a good size for a german gos so i hear:), looking forward to getting out hungting with him geting itchy feet everytime i look at him:P

[Finnish]

He look's nice Gaz.

[OutFlying]

Is he a pr then Gaz?
Mine's father had 1/8th finnish in him , his brothers from the earlier clutch are flying at 1 lb 7-8 , which is a good size for a german gos so i hear:), looking forward to getting out hungting with him geting itchy feet everytime i look at him:P

flying at 1-7, 1-8 what are they hunting at (p/r ?).

[SakerYZF]

Well the they where both imprints, but going from the PR's from last year there's only an ounce or so in it.. i'd be suprised if mine flies at 1-8, im thinking 1-5 1-6? which i guess is nothing to write home about:P

[OutFlying]

That's what I thought, never heard of a p/r 100 % german flying at much above 1-6, and this is the final hunting weight not first season initial hunting weight. Whilst it doesn't matter really I find it more relevant to quote type of rearing and exact cross of goshawk to determine approx condition / weights.
A friend of mine bred 1/4 finnish males and they came out the aviary at 1-15 and flew at 1-9 ish first season totally parent reared and hatched.

OF.

[Jastreb]

Me and my team!
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

Wish i had a dog, would make life that bit easier , gonna have to use ferrets this season methinks .
How the Gos going then Jastreb?

[GoneHawking]

good team there Jastreb.

[Hawkmaster]

Jastreb looking good mate! :lol:

[Jastreb]

Thanks boys!
They are unstopable when they work together!
Last few flights with tiercel was some of the best I ever had with gos, and if he is on 600 grams nothing is safe with him, believe me!
He catchs everything from sparrow to full grown pheasant, and smaller hares are special challange for him!
Cheer Jastreb

[Jastreb]

And after this point he had a quail in the next 20 meters, and they are really fast!

[SakerYZF]

Sounds awsome! keep the photos coming :D

[Jastreb]

If you have chance to fly german male gos on wilde quails, you will probably see some awsome flights!
Here is one from yesterday, and quails are really fast littel ******s!
Cheers Jastreb

[Addi]

great pics mate! im gunna imprint a male gos this spring, cant wait!

[Jastreb]

All the best!
Cheers Jastreb

[Moses]

great pics bros , luv the scenery out their seems to be alot of hunting ground


cheers

[Jastreb]

On the first pic yes, where my bitch points, but second one is behinde forestry high shool! Only with imprint gos you can hunt on that sort of ground, believe me!
Cheers Jastreb

[Moritz]

Hi,
so how is his screaming and mantling? Is he any different from a bird Imp by you?

Thx

Moritz

[Jastreb]

Ok, one information for Imprint fans!
If you want to have non screaming full imprint, someone else must imprint your gos. Then he must enter him, and he must fly him at least two months from the day when he starts to fly(eg. he is hatch in April, then imprinted, and you can take him at August). If you after that take a bird, you will have non screming imprint, but he will start mantling and thats ok for me, well someone hier already said "Thats his ***cin game..." and thats ok!
But if you take him withouth two months of flying by another pearson, he will scream like in case that you imprint him!
You will need week or two, that he accept you, and then you will have full non screaming imprint!
If you have shity neigborhs, thats the way!
WELL YOU MUST HAVE REALLY GOOD FRIEND AND FALCONER FOR DOING THIS KIND OF JOB!
Cheers Jastreb

[Moritz]

Thx M8.
good idea!!!

moritz

[Jastreb]

And it worth!
BTW you can also do AI with this bird, you just need to fly her every day from the day when you take her!
Cheers Jastreb

[SakerYZF]

More Photos Jastreb!!! :D