Reluctant to Help anymore

[SakerJack]

Over the past few weeks I have received e- mails from others asking for help either with patterns and or how to info. As you can see by the Thread heading I am not as willing to offer assistance and help. I have STOPPED sharing patterns and have pretty much stopped giving advice to others that ask. I for the longest time helped all , about making hoods, how do you do this or that, can you help me with this etc, in fact I made a thread a few years ago on how to make a glued hood.

Why the turn around? Let me explain and then perhaps you will understand better.

Case 1- A gent from Europe mailed me and told me he bought a set of knock off Rollins hood blocks and was having problems fitting the patterns. I had never spoken to the fellow before but offered to send him Rollins patterns. I had to Photo copy 14 of them, pay for the shipping and large mailing envelope etc, I was never reimbursed. The fellow had written a book so he claimed and had been making hoods for several years and he said he would send me a copy of his book and a hood for my collection in return for the patterns and help. Deal or so I thought. I sent the patterns, he mailed me back saying thank you and they fit great to his blocks, never heard from him again,, AND am still waiting for his part of the deal. That was almost 2 years ago.

Case 2- A gent mailed me asking about a particular hood , and would I share this unique pattern? After a few mails etc. I sent the pattern to him and once received I helped him step by step on how to make the hood. The agreement was That
A- you share the pattern with no one.
B- you make the hood for your own collection and not make any pictures public and NOT OFFER THE HOOD FOR SELL.
Within hours of finishing the hood, pictures were posted on a forum and soon they were available for sale.
Case 3- Sent other patterns to the same fellow , and was offered a hood for all the help, still waiting for the hood? That was about 4 years ago..
Case 4- This one is the BEST!!,, Same fellow, (as Cases 2 and 3), sent several e-mails to many prominent falconers throughout Europe saying that I was behind his falcon being killed..Yes, you read this right, falconers were being told that I of hired Thugs as he called them to follow him and when his bird was released to call the bird down with a lure and beat the falcon to death.
UNBELIEVABLE!!

I could also go on how the same guy in cases 2, 3 and 4 purchased my blocks copied them, sold the originals on e-bay, then after all this, he bashed my blocks saying they were no good, So WHY were they copied?
I could go on and tell of many more incidents, but I think you all can get the idea.
I hope after all have read this you will somehow understand how and why I feel this way.
Regards,
Sakerjack,
Ken Hooke

[HallBeck]

What a shame that people have seen fit to treat you this way

[Dave G]

thats what you get for helping carnt blame you m8 ;) but not everyones like this and wish you well ;)

[OutFlying]

Sorry to hear Ken.

[Alf]

I need some advice on a certain hood? :yawinkle: Alf.

Only kidding there you go a joke!
I hope this post is not deleted?
Alf

[OutFlying]

I need some advice on a certain hood? :yawinkle: Alf.

Only kidding there you go a joke!
I hope this post is not deleted?
Alf


I have a pattern for a magpie Alf :lol:

[Hacker]

Ken,
you are in business to make a living and learnt the hard way to get where you are.
There are numerable requests on this forum as to how to this or that to get into and run a pest/ bird control business.
Do people not understand the effort people have had to put in to their carrears to make a success of them.
I am all for you on this one Ken, say no, if they want to do it let them get out and learn like everyone else by trial and tribulation.
Everyone wants a shortcut nowadays to bloody lazy to do the ground work themselves.
richard

[SakerJack]

I need some advice on a certain hood? :yawinkle: Alf.

Only kidding there you go a joke!
I hope this post is not deleted?
Alf

FUNNY!!! Love it!!

[ChrisWilson]

That's a shame, i was just reading the glued hood artical today and thinking great stuff. i've just started to make them for myself as a hobby and articals like that are a great help. You did mention that you were going to bring a dvd or video out in your artical, is this still the case or is it already released or is it shelved for the moment. cheers

[Dax]

its terrible that honest decent and helpfull people like yourself always seem to get the "good samaritan" treatment from others who are only interested in feathering their own nests ! i dont blame you for not wanting to help people any more after the treatment you have endured.you sound like a good guy who would help anyone,maybe its time to change buddy and get a little tougher.start charging for your expertise and ideas etc.
why not name and shame the B******* too!
I certainly would:box:

[SakerJack]

I have a pattern for a magpie Alf :lol:

Jeez, stop it,, still LMAO from the last comment..

[Steve.T]

it is the ****heads like that that give us guys that genuinly ask for help a bad name.....

all i can say is,we are not all like that.

to the guys on here that are helping me,you can relax,i apreciate your help 100%.

[Berkut]

Fully see where your coming from Ken. You were a great help to me with eagle hoods.

Atb,
Neil.

[Alf]

Ken seriously you can only help so many people!
Twice bitten never again! Alf.

[SakerJack]

I agree with both you and Dave G. I gab and trade ideas with many on this forum as well as some other fine hood makers including John Moran, Ron Rollins, Clayton Smith, Jeremy Bradshaw, Steve Tait, Scott Webster, David Wadsworth, just to name a few, BUT it really gets to you after you hear all the BS from some,, Life is just too short for aggrevations and I am sick of aggrevations!
I made this thread so that when someone does ask for help etc they will not be offended when I say NO..

[Alf]

Never have magpies with heads on them long enough to stick a hood on but thanks for the offer Jim ! :yawinkle: Alf. .


I have a pattern for a magpie Alf :lol:

[SakerJack]

its terrible that honest decent and helpfull people like yourself always seem to get the "good samaritan" treatment from others who are only interested in feathering their own nests ! i dont blame you for not wanting to help people any more after the treatment you have endured.you sound like a good guy who would help anyone,maybe its time to change buddy and get a little tougher.start charging for your expertise and ideas etc.
why not name and shame the B******* too!
I certainly would:box:

Thank you,, won't name names for now, they know who they are!! And Yes I am getting tougher, I have always been one that would give the shirt off my back if I had another, I am on my last shirt and am going to keep it.

[SakerJack]

Fully see where your coming from Ken. You were a great help to me with eagle hoods.

Atb,
Neil.

Thanks Neil,

[Dirtwinger]

Sorry you have been treated badly, You tend to think of the brotherhood of falconry and assume everyone feels the same as you. sadly there are some who just have no moral fibre and will never live up to our own standards.
I ran into this at the NAFA meet, someone stole my photo album I set it down for a few minutes on a table and someone walked off with it. I have negatives for most of the pictures but not all. The worst of it was that a fellow falconer at this gathering celebrating our community saw it as a chance to grab some cool pictures. it is a very dissapointing feeling Ken.

All the best Terence

[SakerJack]

Ken,
you are in business to make a living and learnt the hard way to get where you are.
There are numerable requests on this forum as to how to this or that to get into and run a pest/ bird control business.
Do people not understand the effort people have had to put in to their carrears to make a success of them.
I am all for you on this one Ken, say no, if they want to do it let them get out and learn like everyone else by trial and tribulation.
Everyone wants a shortcut nowadays to bloody lazy to do the ground work themselves.
richard

Thank you Richard.

[SakerJack]

Sorry you have been treated badly, You tend to think of the brotherhood of falconry and assume everyone feels the same as you. sadly there are some who just have no moral fibre and will never live up to our own standards.
I ran into this at the NAFA meet, someone stole my photo album I set it down for a few minutes on a table and someone walked off with it. I have negatives for most of the pictures but not all. The worst of it was that a fellow falconer at this gathering celebrating our community saw it as a chance to grab some cool pictures. it is a very dissapointing feeling Ken.

All the best Terence

Very sorry to hear about your experience at the NAFA Meet, just a Friggin shame.. Brotherhood?? You would like to think that Terence, I would like to think that as well BUT to MANY out there Brotherhood means simply an easy way to steal and screw someone for personal reasons .
If I really was going to hire Thugs (which is just absolutely ridiculous,friggin outrageous, and pathetic? ) they would have been hired to kill the idiot who screwed me not the damn bird..
Thanks, Terence,

[K.Massey]

Sadly Ken its the way of the world.... Time to start looking after number 1 I feel;)

[SakerJack]

Sadly Ken its the way of the world.... Time to start looking after number 1 I feel;)

Kevin ain't that the truth!! Lesson(s) learned and never again repeated..

[Kiki]

Always seems to be the good guy that gets kicked in the face you sound like a top bloke alot of **** takin assholes out there

atb for the future

[SakerJack]

Always seems to be the good guy that gets kicked in the face you sound like a top bloke alot of **** takin assholes out there

atb for the future

Thank you Kiki,, Yup there are many...

[Laggan]

Ken,

sorry to hear this.......but you have no need to apologise or explain your actions. You are one of a diminishing breed of gentlemen in the falconry world.

Iain

[Gyr-SakerFalcon]

I have just had a similar experience i am afraid Ken well you may think it even worse to be honest, i have not been hood making that long about 2 years or so now, but all i have learnt has been from books and trial and error and hard work, i have thrown many a hood in the bin cos it was not quite right etc etc. Anyway this polish lad got friendly with me, another falconer so i thought i was pretty safe, he lost his job and asked if he could come along and help me in the workshop which i agreed. I also agreed that any hoods we made together i would deduct the material costs and split the rest 50/50 which is not a bad deal in anyones book as i had spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds on blocks and kit. So he turned up and all was great a little slow learning but then again i am probably not the best teacher, anyhow it took about 2 weeks getting him up to speed and then guess what??? Yep you got it he ****ed off and is now selling his own hoods all over poland, i feel such a **** but like you Ken I would help anyone out and never even thought he would have the balls to do it, harse lesson but i have learnt it well. By the way i only make them for a hobby really i am not quick enough to make a living out of it as i have 6 metal bolts in my back holding my spine together and it is something i can do whilst sat down.

So sorry to hear i am not the only one to be s##t on from a great height, whats the matter with people these days???????

[SakerJack]

So sorry to hear i am not the only one to be s##t on from a great height, whats the matter with people these days???????
GREED!!

[Midge]

One valuable lesson learned , pity it does the rest of the falconry world no good at all , and tar's us all with the same stagnant brush.
can't blame you for pulling no punches and not assisting , make anyone pay in advance if they seek your knowledge and know how.

[Gyr-SakerFalcon]

GREED!!


Yes mate i agree, people will f##k anyone over for a buck these days(Not all i know there are still some good people out there its just finding them)

[Chrisy]

Over the past few weeks I have received e- mails from others asking for help either with patterns and or how to info. As you can see by the Thread heading I am not as willing to offer assistance and help. I have STOPPED sharing patterns and have pretty much stopped giving advice to others that ask. I for the longest time helped all , about making hoods, how do you do this or that, can you help me with this etc, in fact I made a thread a few years ago on how to make a glued hood.

Why the turn around? Let me explain and then perhaps you will understand better.

Case 1- A gent from Europe mailed me and told me he bought a set of knock off Rollins hood blocks and was having problems fitting the patterns. I had never spoken to the fellow before but offered to send him Rollins patterns. I had to Photo copy 14 of them, pay for the shipping and large mailing envelope etc, I was never reimbursed. The fellow had written a book so he claimed and had been making hoods for several years and he said he would send me a copy of his book and a hood for my collection in return for the patterns and help. Deal or so I thought. I sent the patterns, he mailed me back saying thank you and they fit great to his blocks, never heard from him again,, AND am still waiting for his part of the deal. That was almost 2 years ago.

Case 2- A gent mailed me asking about a particular hood , and would I share this unique pattern? After a few mails etc. I sent the pattern to him and once received I helped him step by step on how to make the hood. The agreement was That
A- you share the pattern with no one.
B- you make the hood for your own collection and not make any pictures public and NOT OFFER THE HOOD FOR SELL.
Within hours of finishing the hood, pictures were posted on a forum and soon they were available for sale.
Case 3- Sent other patterns to the same fellow , and was offered a hood for all the help, still waiting for the hood? That was about 4 years ago..
Case 4- This one is the BEST!!,, Same fellow, (as Cases 2 and 3), sent several e-mails to many prominent falconers throughout Europe saying that I was behind his falcon being killed..Yes, you read this right, falconers were being told that I of hired Thugs as he called them to follow him and when his bird was released to call the bird down with a lure and beat the falcon to death.
UNBELIEVABLE!!

I could also go on how the same guy in cases 2, 3 and 4 purchased my blocks copied them, sold the originals on e-bay, then after all this, he bashed my blocks saying they were no good, So WHY were they copied?
I could go on and tell of many more incidents, but I think you all can get the idea.
I hope after all have read this you will somehow understand how and why I feel this way.
Regards,
Sakerjack,
Ken Hooke
the world is full f scum bags and to give anything without payment first being made just cant be done. its a kick in the nads when you help someone and they back stab you. i look at everyone as a back staber unless they prove there worth, that said i treat ppl with respect. if you want trust it must be given and if you want you give then you get. anyone who says you send this or you do that then ill do this or send that has a scam in mind thats how i see it

[SakerJack]

Ken,

sorry to hear this.......but you have no need to apologise or explain your actions. You are one of a diminishing breed of gentlemen in the falconry world.

Iain

Iain, many, many thanks,, I am certainly not a gentlemen BUT I have/had been always willing to help where I could and share,,, AND give Credit where Credit was due!!

[SakerJack]

One valuable lesson learned , pity it does the rest of the falconry world no good at all , and tar's us all with the same stagnant brush.
can't blame you for pulling no punches and not assisting , make anyone pay in advance if they seek your knowledge and know how.

Your words are so true!

[SakerJack]

the world is full f scum bags and to give anything without payment first being made just cant be done. its a kick in the nads when you help someone and they back stab you. i look at everyone as a back staber unless they prove there worth, that said i treat ppl with respect. if you want trust it must be given and if you want you give then you get

I do hate to say this...."BUT TRUST NO ONE"! IT ALMOST "ALWAYS" BITES YOU IN THE ASS!

[Chrisy]

I do hate to say this...."BUT TRUST NO ONE"! IT ALMOST "ALWAYS" BITES YOU IN THE ASS!
sometimes i think im the only one who isnt a back stabber, ive lost many frends as i dont stand for it, i dont say anything but they fade away and they know why nothing said

[LongVVing]

Ken,

speaking as a person who was given a hood by you to try, I then bought some of your chinook blocks with patterns, which I have to this day.
I understand where you are coming from and it is a shame that you are being pushed down this route.
I make a Diablo hood up when the previous one is lost, or eaten by the dog etc.. I have also made a couple up for my hawking friend but not sold.
The blocks and patterns have not been copied or sold to anyone.
I had one enquiry about the diablo pattern, which I said I would give out provided the person contacted you and you agreed first.

Thanks again for the past help and advice.
All the best,

Mark.

[SakerJack]

Ken,

speaking as a person who was given a hood by you to try, I then bought some of your chinook blocks with patterns, which I have to this day.
I understand where you are coming from and it is a shame that you are being pushed down this route.
I make a Diablo hood up when the previous one is lost, or eaten by the dog etc.. I have also made a couple up for my hawking friend but not sold.
The blocks and patterns have not been copied or sold to anyone.
I had one enquiry about the diablo pattern, which I said I would give out provided the person contacted you and you agreed first.

Thanks again for the past help and advice.
All the best,

Mark.

Well Hello,, you have always been ONE of the Honest ones,,
Cheers,

[TLDWB]

Sorry this has happened Ken, that is some story regards you hiring thugs, what planet is this guy on. Don't let them keep you down.

Tom

[SakerJack]

Sorry this has happened Ken, that is some story regards you hiring thugs, what planet is this guy on. Don't let them keep you down.

Tom

Somewhere on your side of the pond I am afraid to say!

[Alf]

Ken this is a short peace from the book The Richest Man in Babylon.
The morale of the tale is? Alf.



be tricked away from him. It bringeth a feeling of
power and ability to do good. Likewise, it bringeth
opportunities whereby his very good intentions may
bring him into difficulties.
"Didst ever hear of the farmer of Nineveh who
could understand the language of animals? I wot not, for
'tis not the kind of tale men like to tell over the
78 THE RICHEST MAN IN BABYLON
bronze caster's forge. I will tell it to thee for thou
shouldst know that to borrowing and lending there
is more than the passing of gold from the hands of
one to the hands of another.
"This farmer, who could understand what the animals
said to each other, did linger in the farm yard
each evening just to listen to their words. One evening
he did hear the ox bemoaning to the ass the
hardness of his lot: 'I do labour pulling the plow from
morning until night. No matter how hot the day, or
how tired my legs, or how the bow doth chafe my
neck, still must I work. But you are a creature of
leisure. You are trapped with a colourful blanket and
do nothing more than carry our master about where
he wishes to go. When he goes nowhere you do rest
and eat the green grass all the day.'
"Now the ass, in spite of his vicious heels, was a
goodly fellow and sympathized with the ox. 'My
good friend,' he replied, 'you do work very hard and
I would help ease your lot. Therefore, will I tell you
how you may have a day of rest. In the morning
when the slave comes to fetch you to the plow, lie
upon the ground and bellow much that he may say
you are sick and cannot work.'
"So the ox took the advice of the ass and the next
morning the slave returned to the farmer and told
him the ox was sick and could not pull the plow.
" 'Then,' said the farmer, 'hitch the ass to the plow
for the plowing must go on.'
"All that day the ass, who had only intended to
help his friend, found himself compelled to do the
ox's task. When night came and he was released from
the plow his heart was bitter and his legs were weary
and his neck was sore where the bow had chafed it.
"The farmer lingered in the barnyard to listen.
The Gold Lender of Babylon 79
"The ox began first. 'You are my good friend. Because
of your wise advice I have enjoyed a day of
rest.'
" 'And 1,’ retorted the ass, 'am like many another
simple-hearted one who starts to help a friend and
ends up by doing his task for him. Hereafter you
draw your own plow, for I did hear the master tell
the slave to send for the butcher were you sick again.
1 wish he would, for you are a lazy fellow.' Thereafter
they spoke to each other no more—this ended their
friendship. Canst thou tell the moral to this tale,

[Morb]

It's too bad that there are so many scum bags out there.
I learned a lot from reading your posts about hood making. You had sent me a pattern for a gos a long time ago @ no charge. i was pretty tickled that a hood maker of your caliber would share a pattern with littlo 'ol me :)
I made 2 Weyburn hoods from the DIY thread you did, they turned out really well...at least I think they did.

Thanks for the advice and DIY that you have posted on here, it was very helpful.
How 'bout putting out a hood making book? I would buy it in a heart beat.

Ron

[Dayglo]

Ken,
you are in business to make a living and learnt the hard way to get where you are.
There are numerable requests on this forum as to how to this or that to get into and run a pest/ bird control business.
Do people not understand the effort people have had to put in to their carrears to make a success of them.
I am all for you on this one Ken, say no, if they want to do it let them get out and learn like everyone else by trial and tribulation.
Everyone wants a shortcut nowadays to bloody lazy to do the ground work themselves.
richard

Totally agree. Im just a tad surprised you didnt come to this decision earlier. Must be your good nature.

[peattatun]

I personally can see your point exactly....
It's always a shame when plonkers like this are more interested in money etc than others who only wish to share & help. I have come across many like this and hopefully what goes around comes around - 'karma' etc will strike them at some point in their lives....
I don't need hoods for my HH , but all the best
Andi

[OtisTiercel]

Sorry to hear that m8 but that is just people that is why I chose to train/keep animals people will just take what they can.

[GameHawker]

Over the past few weeks I have received e- mails from others asking for help either with patterns and or how to info. As you can see by the Thread heading I am not as willing to offer assistance and help. I have STOPPED sharing patterns and have pretty much stopped giving advice to others that ask. I for the longest time helped all , about making hoods, how do you do this or that, can you help me with this etc, in fact I made a thread a few years ago on how to make a glued hood.

Why the turn around? Let me explain and then perhaps you will understand better.

Case 1- A gent from Europe mailed me and told me he bought a set of knock off Rollins hood blocks and was having problems fitting the patterns. I had never spoken to the fellow before but offered to send him Rollins patterns. I had to Photo copy 14 of them, pay for the shipping and large mailing envelope etc, I was never reimbursed. The fellow had written a book so he claimed and had been making hoods for several years and he said he would send me a copy of his book and a hood for my collection in return for the patterns and help. Deal or so I thought. I sent the patterns, he mailed me back saying thank you and they fit great to his blocks, never heard from him again,, AND am still waiting for his part of the deal. That was almost 2 years ago.

Case 2- A gent mailed me asking about a particular hood , and would I share this unique pattern? After a few mails etc. I sent the pattern to him and once received I helped him step by step on how to make the hood. The agreement was That
A- you share the pattern with no one.
B- you make the hood for your own collection and not make any pictures public and NOT OFFER THE HOOD FOR SELL.
Within hours of finishing the hood, pictures were posted on a forum and soon they were available for sale.
Case 3- Sent other patterns to the same fellow , and was offered a hood for all the help, still waiting for the hood? That was about 4 years ago..
Case 4- This one is the BEST!!,, Same fellow, (as Cases 2 and 3), sent several e-mails to many prominent falconers throughout Europe saying that I was behind his falcon being killed..Yes, you read this right, falconers were being told that I of hired Thugs as he called them to follow him and when his bird was released to call the bird down with a lure and beat the falcon to death.
UNBELIEVABLE!!

I could also go on how the same guy in cases 2, 3 and 4 purchased my blocks copied them, sold the originals on e-bay, then after all this, he bashed my blocks saying they were no good, So WHY were they copied?
I could go on and tell of many more incidents, but I think you all can get the idea.
I hope after all have read this you will somehow understand how and why I feel this way.
Regards,
Sakerjack,
Ken Hooke


Completely understand where your coming from Ken you can bend over backwards to help some people only to be shafted. I wish you all the best for the future.

Regards Carl

[SakerJack]

Completely understand where your coming from Ken you can bend over backwards to help some people only to be shafted. I wish you all the best for the future.

Regards Carl

Hey Carl Yup that is when you get the SHAFT,, when you Bend over .. Hope your company is doing well,, any plans on coming out to the Prairies again?

[GameHawker]

Hey Carl Yup that is when you get the SHAFT,, when you Bend over .. Hope your company is doing well,, any plans on coming out to the Prairies again?

Maybe next year, but woodhall is in the way. But i will have to grace you once again with my presents. :lol: Hopefuly the old bird won't be at the diner.

Carl

[SakerJack]

It's too bad that there are so many scum bags out there.
I learned a lot from reading your posts about hood making. You had sent me a pattern for a gos a long time ago @ no charge. i was pretty tickled that a hood maker of your caliber would share a pattern with littlo 'ol me :)
I made 2 Weyburn hoods from the DIY thread you did, they turned out really well...at least I think they did.

Thanks for the advice and DIY that you have posted on here, it was very helpful.
How 'bout putting out a hood making book? I would buy it in a heart beat.

Ron

Hello Ron, glad I was able to help,

[Grovsey]

I have always been one that would give the shirt off my back if I had another, I am on my last shirt and am going to keep it.
this is sad ken but i totallu understand where your coming from ,you was a star to me when i was hood making but if people are that nasty i can understand,and this is how some people are .i put you in my top 3 of hoodmakers .any way found this for you seing your on your last shirt mate

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t276/grovsey/shirt.jpg

[SakerJack]

Love the shirt,, LOL, Grovsey thank you very much for your kind words, much apprectiated..Sorry to hear you are not making hoods anymore.

[Lee Slikkers]

sorry to hear you've been so taken advantage of Ken...you are simply too nice of a guy and some folks abuse that fact...the world is full of them types unfortunately. chin up bud...lots of respect for you on this end.

[SakerJack]

sorry to hear you've been so taken advantage of Ken...you are simply too nice of a guy and some folks abuse that fact...the world is full of them types unfortunately. chin up bud...lots of respect for you on this end.

Thank you Lee,,
Didn't Tom Petty say, "Nice girls are home with broken hearts?"

OR the saying "Nice guys finish last?"..

Or "What goes around comes around"..

Well no more,, only have the one shirt left and of course the one from Grovsey!!

[Lee Slikkers]

I say "What goes around comes around"

We can only hope it all works that way in the end bud...

[SakerJack]

We can only hope it all works that way in the end bud...

Life has away of coming full circle, LOL..

[SSL]

Would this person happen to be on this forum by any chance :lol:

[SakerJack]

Would this person happen to be on this forum by any chance :lol:

No comment for now AA,,

[SilverLeapers]

Terribly sorry for your loss...and glad you persevered for so long with helping despite the other hurts. We all reach our limit. Sorry that you found your's. Forget the hurts and cherish the successes...

[DeadDogs]

Totally agree with you mate.....think I know who you are on about. !!!!!!!

[SakerJack]

Terribly sorry for your loss...and glad you persevered for so long with helping despite the other hurts. We all reach our limit. Sorry that you found your's. Forget the hurts and cherish the successes...

I hear ya Leapers!

[Razor]

unfortunately there are a lot of these people about,,,,and it does`nt give the kind and helpful people of this world a chance really when s***bags like this are trying to make a quick buck,,,at someone elses expense and hard work,,,,this really p****s me off :box:,,,,who can you trust:confused:,,,,,,,all the best mate,,,,stick with who you know and trust:yawinkle:

[SakerJack]

Totally agree with you mate.....think I know who you are on about. !!!!!!!

Thanks DD, much appreciated.

[Gary F]

bloody shame ken ,hope the guys are reading replys and feels bloody guilty now,

[SakerJack]

bloody shame ken ,hope the guys are reading replys and feels bloody guilty now,

Thanks for your reply Gary.

[SakerJack]

unfortunately there are a lot of these people about,,,,and it does`nt give the kind and helpful people of this world a chance really when s***bags like this are trying to make a quick buck,,,at someone elses expense and hard work,,,,this really p****s me off :box:,,,,who can you trust:confused:,,,,,,,all the best mate,,,,stick with who you know and trust:yawinkle:

Thanks Razor,, I made a long post about your words but deleted it for now,, thanks ..

[Tommy No Mates]

him8, if its in your nature to be helpful then thats exactly what youll be regardless of the pitfalls, like my mum she will help any one even if she gets kicked up the ar-e she still goes out there and helps people,accept the rule that if you are willing to help ,someone will take advantage ,move on to your next good deed and hopefully a better person.

[Turumti]

Ken,

I can understand where you are coming from. I have had bad experiences in this line of work as well. To trust people blindly in this day and age, is to be very unkind to your ownself. More than once I have had people buy goods worth several hundred dollars, and then renege on their promise to pay me, once the goods reached them. I have also had people plagiarise my hoods, gloves, bells, swivels, jesses, leashes and blocks too. Therefore, I have pulled off the web, all the photos of my goods, and now deal with customers strictly on a cash first basis.

Regards,

Salman

[Falconry Equipment International]

Well I am stunned ! those that have met Ken will agree with me I am sure that he is a true gentleman in all senses of the word and would do anything to help anyone & like Ken I can not understand whay anyone would want to do this to such a pleasant fellow. I hope that events in the future will restore your faith in human nature :goodman: speak soon Ken

[Squid]

Hello Ken, I know exactly how you feel, and the worst part is these rouges think they are so clever to have got one over you, but, i really believe that it does them no good long term. You can only stick by your principles, why should you lower your standards because of the scum, honesty must surely prevail otherwise there,s no hope. Best of luck in your business, you obviously have a lot of respect in the falconry fraturnity. Cheers Dave.

[SSL]

No comment for now AA,,

No need, I know exactly who you are on about, surprised more havent twigged yet.

[SakerJack]

him8, if its in your nature to be helpful then thats exactly what youll be regardless of the pitfalls, like my mum she will help any one even if she gets kicked up the ar-e she still goes out there and helps people,accept the rule that if you are willing to help ,someone will take advantage ,move on to your next good deed and hopefully a better person.

Yes Tommy you are correct BUT I will limit advice and be real careful who I share it with. Thanks,

[SakerJack]

Ken,

I can understand where you are coming from. I have had bad experiences in this line of work as well. To trust people blindly in this day and age, is to be very unkind to your ownself. More than once I have had people buy goods worth several hundred dollars, and then renege on their promise to pay me, once the goods reached them. I have also had people plagiarise my hoods, gloves, bells, swivels, jesses, leashes and blocks too. Therefore, I have pulled off the web, all the photos of my goods, and now deal with customers strictly on a cash first basis.

Regards,

Salman

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences as well.

[SakerJack]

Well I am stunned ! those that have met Ken will agree with me I am sure that he is a true gentleman in all senses of the word and would do anything to help anyone & like Ken I can not understand whay anyone would want to do this to such a pleasant fellow. I hope that events in the future will restore your faith in human nature :goodman: speak soon Ken

Hey J, as I said previously GREED!

[SakerJack]

Hello Ken, I know exactly how you feel, and the worst part is these rouges think they are so clever to have got one over you, but, i really believe that it does them no good long term. You can only stick by your principles, why should you lower your standards because of the scum, honesty must surely prevail otherwise there,s no hope. Best of luck in your business, you obviously have a lot of respect in the falconry fraturnity. Cheers Dave.

Dave you Hit the proverbial Nail on the head!!

[Kennelre]

It seems to me that the finest hoods are a combination of Function and Art.
A thief may steal what he needs to make an exact copy but, in reality, he has only created a Functional hood. The Art comes from a man's very soul and cannot be stolen...only copied by one who is overwhelmed by envy and avarice.
If you allow yourself to become bitter and untrusting then he has indeed stolen something important. You should not allow him to succeed in stealing your capacity for generosity. It's the nature of the man that's reflected in his art. IMHO.


...Rene.

[SakerJack]

It seems to me that the finest hoods are a combination of Function and Art.
A thief may steal what he needs to make an exact copy but, in reality, he has only created a Functional hood. The Art comes from a man's very soul and cannot be stolen...only copied by one who is overwhelmed by envy and avarice.
If you allow yourself to become bitter and untrusting then he has indeed stolen something important. You should not allow him to succeed in stealing your capacity for generosity. It's the nature of the man that's reflected in his art. IMHO.


...Rene.
Rene, your words make perfect sense,I can live with being taken advantage of and lied to, etc, BUT I just wonder then, how one can explain WHY said person would send out LIES saying that I had his bird killed? It is PATHETIC and a CRIME that such a low life of a human being could stoop to that level.
Thanks for your words.

[Chris T]

karma will kick them in the a s s

[SakerJack]

karma will kick them in the a s s
To be sure!! Thanks Chris,,

[JohnA]

Well I am stunned ! those that have met Ken will agree with me I am sure that he is a true gentleman in all senses of the word and would do anything to help anyone & like Ken I can not understand whay anyone would want to do this to such a pleasant fellow. I hope that events in the future will restore your faith in human nature :goodman: speak soon Ken

I second that. When I was brand new to falconry, and gathering my supplies for my first bird, I ordered a hood from Ken. He gave me some good advice and was a friendly voice (if only by email). When I wanted to give a custom hood to my sponsor in appreciation, he put a great deal of effort into making a custom hood that had a RCMP theme (something that hadn't been done before). I'm sure we've all had some experiences where we've helped others, and didn't even receive so much as a 'thank you'. I just don't get it when people can't show appreciation and respect.

[Bateleur J]

In every walk of life there are people who take the **** out of genuine people and it'll kill/ limit this sport imagine if every falconer refused to take beginners out anymore for example. I can see where you are coming from 100% but instead of penalising people ask for them to send there stuff first as they should know someone like yourself wouldn't want to ruin your reputation by not furfilling your end of the deal atb Jakk:supz:

[SakerJack]

Thanks John A, Jakk,

[Falconry Equipment International]

I second that. When I was brand new to falconry, and gathering my supplies for my first bird, I ordered a hood from Ken. He gave me some good advice and was a friendly voice (if only by email). When I wanted to give a custom hood to my sponsor in appreciation, he put a great deal of effort into making a custom hood that had a RCMP theme (something that hadn't been done before). I'm sure we've all had some experiences where we've helped others, and didn't even receive so much as a 'thank you'. I just don't get it when people can't show appreciation and respect.

Well John, I wont embarrass Ken by saying what he has done to help me this week but he really has gone above and beyond the call of duty so to speak. But never the less he deserves a medal, truly a top bloke, thank you Ken once again. One thing I can promise you Ken if ( and that is a very big IF !!!) I ever make another hood I will do it for your collection. I doubt if I will do but if I do your name is on it . your a star mate :supz::yawinkle::goodman:

[SakerJack]

J no problemo, BUT you owe me the last shirt of my back,, preferably one with fringes, like Buffalo Bill!!
Really it was nothing and am only to pleased to help..

[CanadaManada]

I've gotten alot of help from Ken over the past 3 years. He went as far out of his way to make me a fitting hood as anyone could. He's helped me out with patterns and advice and I think many young hoodmakers today owe him a debt of gratitude. If I recall correctly, I took my time in getting some items of thanks off to Ken in return for his efforts but he never once complained and was happy to receive my modest gifts. A true gentleman.

Ken, don't let a few bad ones put you off. Besides, if you get really angry you can just have another hit taken out on the b"#%&'(ds' birds.
The long arm of Ken Hooke!

ATB,
Justin

[SakerJack]

I've gotten alot of help from Ken over the past 3 years. He went as far out of his way to make me a fitting hood as anyone could. He's helped me out with patterns and advice and I think many young hoodmakers today owe him a debt of gratitude. If I recall correctly, I took my time in getting some items of thanks off to Ken in return for his efforts but he never once complained and was happy to receive my modest gifts. A true gentleman.

Ken, don't let a few bad ones put you off. Besides, if you get really angry you can just have another hit taken out on the b"#%&'(ds' birds.
The long arm of Ken Hooke!

ATB,
Justin

Thank you VERY much, for your comments Justin, your wall hanging adorns our family room.
Best,,

[Falconry Equipment International]

J no problemo, BUT you owe me the last shirt of my back,, preferably one with fringes, like Buffalo Bill!!
Really it was nothing and am only to pleased to help..

OMG Ken what a thought you with a naked top . Ill have to dig out an old roughriders shirt !:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[HawkNLV]

Hey Ken,

I cannot express how much I understand your position. Been there done that as you know...by the same gent if you remember??

I know you haven't heard from me for a while but I still lurk in the shadows. Got a couple o weeks left of this madness then back to building some hoods.

No one who ever has gotten taken by another Falconer blames you at all. In fact good for you for just coming out and telling everyone. Stay in touch.

Scott

[SakerJack]

Hey Ken,

I cannot express how much I understand your position. Been there done that as you know...by the same gent if you remember??

I know you haven't heard from me for a while but I still lurk in the shadows. Got a couple o weeks left of this madness then back to building some hoods.

No one who ever has gotten taken by another Falconer blames you at all. In fact good for you for just coming out and telling everyone. Stay in touch.

Scott
Hey Scott, wondered if you were still on here, I will PM you today,, good to hear from you and thanks for your support,,thought it was about time I explained why I would not help much anymore.
Later

[VerticalStoop]

It's a real shame, that you find yourself in this situation, but I can completely understand. It seems to come with the pastime, and I'm sure there are many members that have found themselves in the same position at some stage. Whether your situation or different. A lesson that it ALWAYS learnt the hard way!!! I've tried making hoods and I just don't have the patience. I really do hold you and your craftsmen counterparts in high regard.

I could seriously spend a lot of money visiting your site, if the wife would let me:roll:. But I hope you we are still going to be able to purchase hoods from you. NO PATTEN OR BLOCK REQUIRED. Seriously though. I'm looking for something a wee bit special for when my wee man arrives. All the in future and I hope to talk to you soon.

Regards VS

[SakerJack]

Thanks VS it would be a pleasure to make a hood for you..

[SakerJack]

More reasons why? I just got two e-mails requesting a certain pattern, I replied I am sorry I do not give out patterns and the person gets ****ed off,,he then sends back two more mails saying that I am a liar and not a falconer.
Sorry I do not share patterns anymore!

[Falconry Equipment International]

dont let it worry you Ken, he/she is clearly no gentleman /woman. you are ! :supz: :goodman: :yawinkle:

[Lee Slikkers]

More reasons why? I just got two e-mails requesting a certain pattern, I replied I am sorry I do not give out patterns and the person gets ****ed off,,he then sends back two more mails saying that I am a liar and not a falconer.
Sorry I do not share patterns anymore!

Ken, your a nice guy, too nice for your own good and unfortunately some selfish people ruined it for others with whom you usually helped. I know I was one of the lucky ones who had you assist and help more than anyone else I've ever not met...and that amazes me. I personally can't thank you enough for that and can only say to those who are pi$$ed off today that you won't help...we falconers are sometimes our own worst enemies.

Keep your chin up my friend...I need to send you some pics of my new Gos, which email should I use?

[SakerJack]

Ken, your a nice guy, too nice for your own good and unfortunately some selfish people ruined it for others with whom you usually helped. I know I was one of the lucky ones who had you assist and help more than anyone else I've ever not met...and that amazes me. I personally can't thank you enough for that and can only say to those who are pi$$ed off today that you won't help...we falconers are sometimes our own worst enemies.

Keep your chin up my friend...I need to send you some pics of my new Gos, which email should I use?

Thanks Lee, home e-mail please,, I did see some photos of your new Gos,, Sweet!!

[Pirate Of Penzance]

every thread has its vertue so keep posting you can sort the wheat from the chaff, nil carberundum desperandom. i enjoy all the threads on here good bad and ugly,one or two good people make it worth while,chin up ken, you got a lot going for you :)

[SakerJack]

every thread has its vertue so keep posting you can sort the wheat from the chaff, nil carberundum desperandom. i enjoy all the threads on here good bad and ugly,one or two good people make it worth while,chin up ken, you got a lot going for you :)

Thanks POP,,

[Falconry Equipment International]

Ken
just reading Lee slickers post do you want a pic of my falcon with the riders hood for your site? if so which email do i send that to?

[SakerJack]

Ken
just reading Lee slickers post do you want a pic of my falcon with the riders hood for your site? if so which email do i send that to?

I have your hood on my site and I have the picture you sent when you first got it.. J I am also working on another version of a Rider hood for you,,

[Falconry Equipment International]

:shock: for me or the hawk ? :lol::lol:( have you started it yet as I may need to talk sizes to you if you haven't)

[SakerJack]

:shock: for me or the hawk ? :lol::lol:( have you started it yet as I may need to talk sizes to you if you haven't)

Hawk?? Yot have a hawk? I was making it for the falcon you have. I have started on one of the eye panels,, Send an e-mail to me at home,, let me know what sizing you are thinking about??

[Falconry Equipment International]

Hawk?? Yot have a hawk? I was making it for the falcon you have. I have started on one of the eye panels,, Send an e-mail to me at home,, let me know what sizing you are thinking about??

OK Bud

[SakerJack]

Got your phone message I will wait until we can talk more about your hood and falcon.

[Haek]

Ken it is obvious to me that you have been unbelievably lucky in my opinion, to have helped the number of people that you obviously have and not been ripped of to an even greater extent. That is one of the problem in falconry today, there is no tradition, no sense of honour and even worse no respect. Every other post "please help me do ....." people like yourself read the books tried, worked out the problems and solved the new ones that cropped up. The story springs to mind of the TV repair man who charged £50 just to hit the TV and solve the problem, when asked how he could justify charging so much just to hit the damned thing. His replytypifies this whole situation, " The £50 is not for hitting the TV but for the years involved in learning where to hit it". Keep up the good work and to hell with the idiots cos life is full of them......

[SakerJack]

Ken it is obvious to me that you have been unbelievably lucky in my opinion, to have helped the number of people that you obviously have and not been ripped of to an even greater extent. That is one of the problem in falconry today, there is no tradition, no sense of honour and even worse no respect. Every other post "please help me do ....." people like yourself read the books tried, worked out the problems and solved the new ones that cropped up. The story springs to mind of the TV repair man who charged £50 just to hit the TV and solve the problem, when asked how he could justify charging so much just to hit the damned thing. His replytypifies this whole situation, " The £50 is not for hitting the TV but for the years involved in learning where to hit it". Keep up the good work and to hell with the idiots cos life is full of them......

Cheers!!

[DeadDogs]

Ken,
Is this the guy who used to put pics up of other hoodmakers work on "wrong" sized birds to make it appear that their hoods were a poor fit ???

[SakerJack]

Ken,
Is this the guy who used to put pics up of other hoodmakers work on "wrong" sized birds to make it appear that their hoods were a poor fit ???

LMAO,, DD you are getting "hot", still unbelievable isn't it? A Piece of work I must say.

[SakerJack]

DD I will Pm you an even better one..

[SakerJack]

I would like to thank all for their comments, it is very much appreciated. Over the past few weeks since I started this thread I have had time to reflect.. **** heads are going to be **** heads,, and they always will be . They will continue to go on and pretend they invented this or that and continue to fool themselves, and screw others. That will never change.
I ENJOY giving and helping,, so if you have QUESTIONS FIRE AWAY, I am not going to tell everything and likely will not share all my patterns,, but if you want??
Perhaps I'll do another How to Thread soon..
Cheers,

[Lee Slikkers]

Now that is the Ken I've come to know & respect! Good to hear the change in heart mr friend...

Lee

[SakerJack]

Now that is the Ken I've come to know & respect! Good to hear the change in heart mr friend...

Lee

Thanks Lee, life is too short and it really has bugged me over the past weeks,BUT I had to get it OFF my chest,, it is just not me!!
Glutton for Punishment I guess.

[SakerJack]

Just posted a short "How to" on threading braces in an Arab Style hood, in the Hoods Patterns , Transport Box section..