Trigger imprint northern Goshawk

[Liam Hay]

Right BB complained i aint done this as he has so i will from now on, Right most will have seen a pic of my tiercel in ros the gos thread, he is coming up to 8 weeks old, i have had him from 21 days.
For the last 5 days i have had him out coming to the lure in different locations, yesterday i did not as there was a big thunder storm up here, today i fit his tail mount(lol) which was fun to say the least, i was gonna try dave jones technique on his dvd of not casting the bird, but as BB will back me up he dos'nt mantle after 30 seconds or so on the lure so we had to cast him, he was'nt very happy and made sure my hand knew about it afterwards. I weighed him today and he was just short of 1'12 so will c how he gets on, he has lost a couple of ounce over the last week and not totally sure why this is. Will monitor and let u guys now how he is getting on, any pointers from any one would be appreciated.

pics i will post as and when i get them for your eyes only.

Liam

[Tim Laycock]

Some of his visit to my gaff to be going on with M8 :wink:

[Darren]

he is a nice looker

[Jastreb]

Pretty boy, keep us inform!
Cheers Jastreb

[OutFlying]

Right BB complained i aint done this as he has so i will from now on, Right most will have seen a pic of my tiercel in ros the gos thread, he is coming up to 8 weeks old, i have had him from 21 days.
For the last 5 days i have had him out coming to the lure in different locations, yesterday i did not as there was a big thunder storm up here, today i fit his tail mount(lol) which was fun to say the least, i was gonna try dave jones technique on his dvd of not casting the bird, but as BB will back me up he dos'nt mantle after 30 seconds or so on the lure so we had to cast him, he was'nt very happy and made sure my hand knew about it afterwards. I weighed him today and he was just short of 1'12 so will c how he gets on, he has lost a couple of ounce over the last week and not totally sure why this is. Will monitor and let u guys now how he is getting on, any pointers from any one would be appreciated.

pics i will post as and when i get them for your eyes only.

Liam

The weight loss - the blood in his feathers is being reabsorbed into the hawk (hard penning now), appetite will be down also with the hot weather.

Next time if you have to cast him, get someone else to do it and fit a hood. Then you can handle your gos but don't talk, when you've finished go away and let the other person take the hood off. Return after a period of time and feed him on the lure - you will then still appear to be his big "Buddy" rather than the person who's just man handled him.

Jim.

ps If he's not noisy or mantling on the lure yet, he's too heavy.

[Tim Laycock]

The weight loss - the blood in his feathers is being reabsorbed into the hawk
Do I ever feel like a dummy? :rolleyes: didnt I think of that. nice one OF

[Liam Hay]

right well an update, trigger is flying around now and pretty responsive his weight at the mo is about 1'12, gonna try him looking at bunnies tonight and see if he wants to chase em.

[Tim Laycock]

Ave it! :twisted:

[Gaz]

GIT"ER DONE :supz:

[OutFlying]

right well an update, trigger is flying around now and pretty responsive his weight at the mo is about 1'12, gonna try him looking at bunnies tonight and see if he wants to chase em.

Any luck at this weight at rabbits ? has he entered on anything else ?

OF.

[Finnish]

Is that a good weight for a imprint on Rabbits or bad :?:

[Tim Laycock]

He's game thats for sure!
I've seen him kick the **** out of the lure! (Trigg & lure) :arrow: :axe:

[Tim Laycock]

Poet! (Diddnt know it) :lol:

[Finnish]

Is that a good weight for a imprint on Rabbits or bad :?:

:?: :?: :?:

[M & J Raptors]

Is that a good weight for a imprint on Rabbits or bad :?:

:?: :?: :?:

Lee

only the owner will know this, ie it depends on the birds behavior at this weight, also if we knew his penning weight then you could work out his starting weight,
at this time of the year [ hot long days] is a bad time to enter imprints, food motivation is difficult due to poor appetite in hot weather, thus taking more weight from the bird to compensate, this in turn will create behavior problems,

this is the time when some first time imprinters cannot handle all the **** and realize its not for them, but if you persevere through the early summer months it will all make sense when the hawking season begins,

imprints need to be killing to keep the content and happy, this time of the year there is not much quarry to hunt, maggies and crows, that's about it, so i usually leave my imprints till late august, to start them, it gets a little cooler then, there's no points dragging a gos round in this heat, they just do not like it.

cheers

Mick

[OutFlying]

Is that a good weight for a imprint on Rabbits or bad :?:

Lee, with a top weight of 1-14 ish and the hot weather combined with entering - it would be a good weight. PCHay mentioned it wasn't mantling much on the lure - this is sign he not quite on weight yet.

Last year my imprint gos flew to the lure and was responsive at a slightly higher weight but had to be brought down to 1-11 for serious hunting to start. He would catch at greater weights to start with 1-12 1-13 but at this weights he wasn't really interested in the kill, would defend it or show signs of aggresion - a weight drop removed all these problems and focused him solely on killing.

JIm.

[OutFlying]

Any updates PCHay ?

[Tim Laycock]

Liam is trying him at rabbits again this afternoon/evening.
I am sure he will put us in the picture :D

[OutFlying]

cheers

[M & J Raptors]

cheers

Seen Liam at the CLA , been there since thursday, had a great **** up and ready for a good bed for the night,
some nice gosses there and well imprinted.

BC

[Shaun Byrne]

Saw Liams bird at the CLA fair on Friday.

Nice looking bird and very steady.

Dont suppose he will look so good come the end of the season. :D

[M & J Raptors]

Saw Liams bird at the CLA fair on Friday.

Nice looking bird and very steady.

Dont suppose he will look so good come the end of the season. :D

Hi Shaun

Who are you talking about, the gos or liam. :lol:

[Shaun Byrne]

:D :D :D

[Shaun Byrne]

How did you get on Mick? Good weekend?

Back to reality now mate.

[M & J Raptors]

How did you get on Mick? Good weekend?

Back to reality now mate.

Shaun

Need a weeks rest to recover, we got through 120 pints of lager :drinkers: but it was nice to meet some lads and get away from the
breeding for a while,

weston park roll on. :supz:

[Liam Hay]

Lee, with a top weight of 1-14 ish and the hot weather combined with entering - it would be a good weight. PCHay mentioned it wasn't mantling much on the lure - this is sign he not quite on weight yet.

You are so wrong outflying m8. I have been flying him now for over a week, i have not had chance to show him anything just yet as i was at the CLA, i flew him there and decided to try him on chasing the dummy bunny, so my m8 hid and run with it he hesitated but then chased and bound to it, this is the first time he had seen the dummy bunny. Again he fed on it with me at his side but no mantling what so ever, even a few n lookers could not believe how good he was.

So tonight i went out for a couple of hours with him to see if we could see a bunny but it belted down with rain and nothing could be found, so i got my m8 wi the bunny again but this time hid in long grass and pulled through, with no hesitation what so ever he chased and murdered it, again he fed on it with no mantling! His weight is at my estimation perfect i don't even weigh him dailly, i fly him on appitite he was just over 1'12 tonight and was fed as much as he could eat which was nearly a full quail and this is what i have been doing with him as soon as i took him in to the field. U say drop of weight OF i have soon found this not the case so far but making his appitite better. I am no expert with imprints but have flown a musket with great success, this what i am trying may fail and i will be the first to hold my hand up and say i did not work for me but at the mo it is.

So back to the mantling this surely is down to how he has been imprinted or more closely his personality, i had him there at the CLA he did parades, jo public stroked him to death and i flew him there and even on the bunny there with loads of people around him he did not mantle??

[M & J Raptors]

Lee, with a top weight of 1-14 ish and the hot weather combined with entering - it would be a good weight. PCHay mentioned it wasn't mantling much on the lure - this is sign he not quite on weight yet.

You are so wrong outflying m8. I have been flying him now for over a week, i have not had chance to show him anything just yet as i was at the CLA, i flew him there and decided to try him on chasing the dummy bunny, so my m8 hid and run with it he hesitated but then chased and bound to it, this is the first time he had seen the dummy bunny. Again he fed on it with me at his side but no mantling what so ever, even a few n lookers could not believe how good he was.

So tonight i went out for a couple of hours with him to see if we could see a bunny but it belted down with rain and nothing could be found, so i got my m8 wi the bunny again but this time hid in long grass and pulled through, with no hesitation what so ever he chased and murdered it, again he fed on it with no mantling! His weight is at my estimation perfect i don't even weigh him dailly, i fly him on appitite he was just over 1'12 tonight and was fed as much as he could eat which was nearly a full quail and this is what i have been doing with him as soon as i took him in to the field. U say drop of weight OF i have soon found this not the case so far but making his appitite better. I am no expert with imprints but have flown a musket with great success, this what i am trying may fail and i will be the first to hold my hand up and say i did not work for me but at the mo it is.

So back to the mantling this surely is down to how he has been imprinted or more closely his personality, i had him there at the CLA he did parades, jo public stroked him to death and i flew him there and even on the bunny there with loads of people around him he did not mantle??

Liam

I have seen over 30 imprinted goshawks over the last 15 years, i have imprinted around 7 females and 10 males in that time, Females are more difficult than males, and Finnish females can be dangerous in the wrong hands,

all imprints we have seen have mantled at some time and everyone has been vocal at some time, this is normal for all gosses at this age, even young pr gosses in the nest will mantle to other siblings, it is a normal behavior, not a bad thing.


cheers

Mick

[Liam Hay]

all imprints we have seen have mantled at some time and everyone has been vocal at some time, this is normal for all gosses at this age, even young pr gosses in the nest will mantle to other siblings, it is a normal behavior, not a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing OF is saying that my boy is not near weight yet cause he aint mantling, and i am saying he is, he is vocal at home though.

[M & J Raptors]

all imprints we have seen have mantled at some time and everyone has been vocal at some time, this is normal for all gosses at this age, even young pr gosses in the nest will mantle to other siblings, it is a normal behavior, not a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing OF is saying that my boy is not near weight yet cause he aint mantling, and i am saying he is, he is vocal at home though.

The trouble with imprints is they lull you into a false sense of security, and if not careful can take you by surprise at this time of the year, they will return at high weights and seem calm but we have found that when flown at certain quarry species they need to be keener that normal, or they could take a beating and will put them off.

whats he like coming out of high tree tops ? he will be more vocal in his own surroundings than away from home, different surroundings do keep their minds occupied, screaming will come with boredom,

[Tim Laycock]

Finnish females can be dangerous in the wrong hands, :oops: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Liam Hay]

he is exceelent to return to the lure from any where, he is doing really well and i can't complain about anything just yet, will be taking him out tonight again hopefully some rabbits will be more sporting.

[Jastreb]

all imprints we have seen have mantled at some time and everyone has been vocal at some time, this is normal for all gosses at this age, even young pr gosses in the nest will mantle to other siblings, it is a normal behavior, not a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing OF is saying that my boy is not near weight yet cause he aint mantling, and i am saying he is, he is vocal at home though.

The trouble with imprints is they lull you into a false sense of security, and if not careful can take you by surprise at this time of the year, they will return at high weights and seem calm but we have found that when flown at certain quarry species they need to be keener that normal, or they could take a beating and will put them off.

whats he like coming out of high tree tops ? he will be more vocal in his own surroundings than away from home, different surroundings do keep their minds occupied, screaming will come with boredom,

Thats truth!

[Osiris]

Gr8 lookin Gos PCHay. Hope he does good 4 u

[OutFlying]

all imprints we have seen have mantled at some time and everyone has been vocal at some time, this is normal for all gosses at this age, even young pr gosses in the nest will mantle to other siblings, it is a normal behavior, not a bad thing.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing OF is saying that my boy is not near weight yet cause he aint mantling, and i am saying he is, he is vocal at home though.

Liam,
I will wait until he catches something wild and if he doesn't mantle and you have no problems then you have a very rare occurance.

Yours Jim

[Liam Hay]

Hopefully that will be tonight but we will c how he gets on

[OutFlying]

Best of luck and I hope you get that easy slip that's always a bonus in the beginning.

Yours Jim.

[Shaun Byrne]

Well Liam, first kill?

[Tim Laycock]

He is currently out and on the case 8)

[Liam Hay]

No No not yet good evening though, Trigger was weighing in at 1'12 and a half weather was good, got to the intended land with lots in view. Got him ready and set first flight more or less straight away he hesitated then chased bunny got to hole just before he got there, second flight good chase but bunny jinked he threw up and could not work out what to do?? Final flight good chase good jinks but bunny made it to the wall, never mind eh good first flights and tomorrow is another day.

[Tim Laycock]

Roll on the 'morrow :wink:

[Liam Hay]

Well some more great flights tonight but to no avail, good the thick cover is getting to me a bit. :D

[Tim Laycock]

the thick cover is getting to me a bit
As it invariably does!!!

When are you going out with YorkshireHawker and the dog m8

[OutFlying]

try the corvids, the grass is never to tall :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

Well some more great flights tonight but to no avail, good the thick cover is getting to me a bit. :D

Careful with non success with an early imprint, he could well start to refuse if no reward at the end,
methinks he could do with a easier kill :wink:

[Liam Hay]

I agree Billy went out tonight, his appetite was not good today even though he was down on weight a bit?? Gave him an easy slip at Corvids but he refused and went passed, he would not come to the lure quicklt either, will make him think he is hungrier tomoz.

[OutFlying]

latest news ?

[Liam Hay]

sorry i aint give an update lately been reel busy, trig coming on well not actually caught anything yet but its got to come soon. I have been chasing crows of late as i not been getting near those bunnies, Tonight he had a real easy one at the side of the road pulled up slipped him at it only to find another out of view underneath him he flipped over to hit it but mis judged missed and landed in mud. DOWNER! The next flight was superb pulled up to field with 4 in he chased 1 right across the field about 100 yds crow got to cover just b4 he had it and looked at me as if to say what now bright spark, good flight though he pumped his little wings of.

Well out wi yorkshirehawker and his dog up north yorkshire tomoz hopefully will be a much better day and just 1 stupid bunnie will make my day or even year.

[OutFlying]

onwards and upwards

[Tim Laycock]

You going on our Alan's land too m8?
If you are he will find you some game :D

Krack on!!! 8)

[Liam Hay]

yeah going up to alans spot, looking forward to it just hope the little blighter don't let me down. lol

[Tim Laycock]

The only place they can hide is down a hole or in a wall :wink:

[OutFlying]

any further progress ?

[Tim Laycock]

Still not entered as far as I know. (Have not spoken to liam in a few days)
Saw the video footage of his day out on Yorkshire Hawkers land. Some good chases but they just got away from him. :(

[Shaun Byrne]

Come on Liam, we need news :D

[OutFlying]

Is he still non vocal and with no mantling on the kill at 1-12 ? Interested to see if its possible with a social imprint to develop the same manners as a p/r gos right from the start. Mine required 30 or so kills before his manners improved, quiet as a mouse after 6 or 7 weeks of hunting.

OF.

[Liam Hay]

Sorry i aint give an update, up to today he has not been entered but oh has he been close as blackbird will tell u. I have switched my attention to the black stuff and the flights so far would have been surfice to fill any falconers season. The best one was one where he was ringing up with a crow hot on its heels b4 finally giving up but wow can he fly. The next most memorable has to be mondays effort with blackbird and yorkshie hawker in attendance, i slipped him at a mischief of crows they were not close about fifty yards or so but they had no where to hide, he soon singled one out and chase was on, within a few seconds he was on it and it bailed to the ground Trigger throwing up the crow dashed 4 it again trigger back on its heels again it bailed to the ground and trigger stooped missed and chase was off again, Trigger was more or less about to grab the crow when it bailed and trigger landed beside it. MEXICAN STAND OFF trigger then grabbed it and i don't think i have ever jumped higher, well now it was my turn to run and off down the field i went at full pace watching trigg i saw some crows diving in 4 the fight i kept goin to the wall of which he was just over and to my dissmay it had losened it self and off it went trigg chased but to no avail (think he was knackered). So never mind i was really pleased with the effort but sadened it got away and to my horror i had also ripped my best pants in a unfixable position as tim will tell u.

I know all the grief that has been on and off this site but hope that all no matter what have a season as good as mine has started,, true trig has yet to catch but flights are what we r about, the best ones normally get away.

As for trig and his manners, he is good so far, mantling not an issue as he no longer gets food on the lure or a great deal on the lure i should say.....his weight about 1'11 and a half lowest was 1'11 and he wanted to kill me lol but he is still flying on appetite and i don't weigh him dailly, about 5 chicks keeps his weight constent which is what he gets usually.

Liam

[Tim Laycock]

tim will tell u

He were running so fast that his pants just fell in half at the crotch. :shock:
Liam ripped his pants and on account of this I nearly p1ssed mine! :lol:

[GoneHawking]

Liam, any news, whats been going on, any kills???

[GoneHawking]

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