What causes chicks in a egg to be the wrong way round?

[Derek Canning]

What causes chicks in a egg to be the wrong way round? What can be done about it?

[TiercelMan]

What causes chicks in a egg to be the wrong way round? What can be done about it?

Don't think they've sussed how to do a breech birth with eggs:lol:

Alistair

[Steve.T]

is there a wrong way round..???

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

is there a wrong way round..???

Yes, a chick will pip trough the membrane inside the egg in to the air cell at the blunt end of the egg, then it will pip trough the shell, if it pip at the wrong end there is no air cell and subsequently no air to breath for the chick, can be trough incubation problem, Im not that clued up, other breeders would have a bigger chance of answering the question correctly.

[Berkut]

is there a wrong way round..???

You don't want them pipping at the pointed end. Sometimes they have difficulty getting out that end as the hole is too small.

Neil

[Steve.T]

when you candle the eggs can you see which way the embio is, if so, would standing the egg the other way up so the air bubble moves to the end where the head is...

[SnapeDek]

No m8 there aint an air bubble its an air cell that is seperated from the rest of the egg by a membrane at the blunt end. a badly positioned chick is normally the result of a couple of incubationn problems turning being the main cause all you can do is wait till it pips and give it 72 hours or so to hatch then you may be able to help it out if it cant manage its self cheers Rich

[TiercelMan]

Out of all the natural breeding pairs of peregrines I've had in the past I had one pair whose eggs pipped one or two each season at the sharp end. I say "sharp" end, but these eggs were almost round and it was almost impossible which was the correct way. I can't remember having any others having this problem, but none died. I just had to help them out,

Alistair

[Steve.T]

so, if for example you stood an egg in an egg cup pointed end up, the air cell will stay at the blunt end..??

[SnapeDek]

so, if for example you stood an egg in an egg cup pointed end up, the air cell will stay at the blunt end..??


aye thats about right the air cell would distort because of the weight onit but it couldn,t move to the topCheers Rich

[Derek Canning]

What I have seen the chick just dies without trying to break out.


It may be different for different species.



It may be the incubater. Does anyone else use a Grumbach incubators and what do you think of them?

[Mark Collins]

I have had prairie hybrids upside down , hatched one recently , had a couple last year , must say though both got out , recent one i helped, its as strong as an oxe , mark.

[TBrownHill]

while we have some real experience guys on line,can some one,help,my female peri managed to trash 2 eggs of 4 then sat well ,see my previous thread,any way end result one egg one live chick of 3 days eaten,next season buying incubator,but do not want imprints ,whats my plan, help where is griff when you need him.thanks,,,,tone,

[Hawkmaster]

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[Graham Stuart]

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[Hawkmaster]

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[K.Massey]

Its going to awesome at the festival this year....:twisted:

[BHawk]

Its going to awesome at the festival this year....:twisted:

you have some morbid pleasures:lol:

[Ben Wallace]

while we have some real experience guys on line,can some one,help,my female peri managed to trash 2 eggs of 4 then sat well ,see my previous thread,any way end result one egg one live chick of 3 days eaten,next season buying incubator,but do not want imprints ,whats my plan, help where is griff when you need him.thanks,,,,tone,

First off is it an imprint female or a pair? Quit often it is the male that is the baby killer with pere's

Then,....yes get an inncubator,....but your success will be low if she does not sit natural for at least 7-14 days.

She obviously sat for term if one hatched. So you could even pull and sub in other eggs right before pip.

Set up inncubator 99.5C. with turning system or follow supplied innubator directions etc,.....see manual suggested below

Wait till she is at day 14 then pull eggs and sub in small brown chicken eggs (warmed up) at Exactly the same time. Carefully carry them in an egg carton to the inncubator, and put in, make sure turning system is working. Wait with anxiety for X number of days, til pip,...then hatch,.....follow all directions regarding pip and hatch. Stop turning system at pip.

Likely they broke when she was disturbed by something,.....crow on aviary top, if you are out etc,....or any number of things. Then read up on hatching,....easy to do. See peregrine fund "Falcon Propagation" manual".

Then hand raise for 7, days or so on whole skinned ground no head or feet (get a hand grinder) quail for first 2 days the fully plucked and ground quail from day 3-7. ALL meat should be fresh ground per 24 or less hr period and at feed time must hydrate food with either "Normasol" Electrolyte solution,...or distilled water.

Then sub back babies 2 at a time. I like to put food and broken fresh chicken shell in front of where the mother/father will first confront or see them, for first time parents. Seems to momentarilty distract them as they first see the young Caution: you must read a general book regarding the feeding and care of falcon chicks. Chicks can easily die if over fed the first few days and have general heat requirements. There are lots of books you can order.

If she kills them,.....such if life. Find someone with foster parents and they raise the other and perhaps the year after that.

If not,....well then worth the experiance,....nothing like your first falcon out,.....and raised well.

Then again it might be easier to pay a decent number of LBS to a breeder for a good bird of the year.

Best of luck. I am sure if you start some new threads others will pitch out advice.

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace

[MickeyDredd]

Not sure about being the wrong way around but one of my Rt's hatched its way out kinda funny last year. The egg in the foreground hatched normally, the one to the rear as you can see, pipped centrally then it worked its way out long ways.....:D

[FalconGriff]

while we have some real experience guys on line,can some one,help,my female peri managed to trash 2 eggs of 4 then sat well ,see my previous thread,any way end result one egg one live chick of 3 days eaten,next season buying incubator,but do not want imprints ,whats my plan, help where is griff when you need him.thanks,,,,tone,

First time I've seen this post, sorry Perhaps you should have PM me as you would then have got an instant reply even though I have to work as well!!

[FalconGriff]

I have no idea why, but I certainly don't panic if it happens, I get a few every year. It also happens with wild eggs I have seen it quite a lot with wild Prairies. They will often get themselves out with no problem but I window at 60 hours after pip and am prepared to get them out if they shut down or stop half way round.

[Derek Canning]

I have no idea why, but I certainly don't panic if it happens, I get a few every year. It also happens with wild eggs I have seen it quite a lot with wild Prairies. They will often get themselves out with no problem but I window at 60 hours after pip and am prepared to get them out if they shut down or stop half way round.



Thank you Griff.