Hooby trapping :?: any ideas?

[Dude]

A friend of mine asked me to put this question to the forum to get sum ideas. :)

We are wondering about to catch them with a dho hazza net with a small bird in it, and also wondering about to catch them with ohh hard to tell donno the right word lol so we cook a plant and we get a glue like **** and than we fold some sticks in it and place them above a little owl adn when the bird want to sit nearr the owl its trapped by the glued stick.

Thanks,
Dan.

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[Jiff]

first of all whats a hooby? the method you describe was used to trap gold finches a female would be put out in a small cage and cock birds would come a courtin and be traped by lime sticks attached to thistles, still not sure what a hooby is am i daft or not.

[Dude]

ohh sorry europian hobby just dont find the keys :D

[Sprout]

get a glue like **** and than we fold some sticks in it and place them above a little owl adn when the bird want to sit nearr the owl its trapped by the glued stick.
So long as you don't want to fly the bird at all!!!! The glue sticks feathers as well as the legs. I've had birds brought in that have been glued in this way with injuries ranging from matted feathers to broken wings and legs! DON'T USE THIS TECHNIQUE PLEASE

[Jiff]

lime sticks would be fine the hobby being small, i don't know about luring them to the trap,with song birds you put a good singing cock bird in the trap place the trap in another birds territory, when the bird comes to try and oust the invader his traped, or as mentioned put a female in the trap where theres a good concentration of males and they will all try and impress her and then be caught. as for a hobby i've no idea how to lure a hobby to the trap, but i suppose gate traps,spring traps,funnell traps, and of course the one you mentioned gum or lime sticks, can all be used, the most important factor is placement of the trap,to be affective you must take advantage of perticular times of the year, in spring when birds are pairing up males throw caution to the wind and usualy can easilly be traped using a female calling or luring bird. at this time of year they'll all be rearing you'ng probably second rounders,and they will be more allert to dangers,again i'm speaking in general not perticularly about the hobby.
to trap birds at this time wouldnt be right anyway,as by traping one you could kill a full clutch,but at the right time any of the mentioned traps well positioned will be affective for small birds.

[Jiff]

sprout has an exerlent point, not to be taken lightly lime stick traps, without experience as sprout says you'll do more harm than good, once the traps are out you must be in position at all times never place gum or lime traps and then leave them to be collected later you must be about at all times which is where experience comes in, you must have a hide of some sort, again as sprout says the damage to plumage with sticks is anything from moderate to serious, again i refer to smaller song birds, they were caught in spring settled and moulted out through the summer, so yes i agree with sprout forget about the gum/lime sticks to trap the hobby.

[Sprout]

Thanks Jiff. You'll definitely cause more harm using this method.

[Jiff]

i know a man who used to trap birds regularly, it used to facinate me,but to be honnest now i'm older i'm against traping wild birds,but if someone asks advice i'll try and give it as best i can,and back up any other common sence or advice.

[Dude]

I never use this lime stick technicue, just my friend tell me to write this coz he want to know its good or not... I also agree with u this is a dangerous way to trap birds, he want to catch a young bird when they are just flying out, not now and not an old bird who have a pair. This friend have an injured female. the zoo placed the bird to his place 4 repatriating(I hope its the right word to let it hack to go back to the wild), the female have one leg(but she can stand on it just the fingers are gone, so it dont cause bone deformity), because she sit on an electric pylon :(

[Dude]

but we dont think its a good idea to let this injured hobby free, coz she cannot hunt correctly, so he want to get a permit to keep this bird at his place and maybe breed it with a nother injured one.

[Sprout]

If she has only one leg then sooner or later she will develop bumblefoot in this leg and then have to be euthanased. I hope something has been lost in translation and you mean she does have 2 legs but on one leg there are no digits? If this is the case I doubt it will ever be released, Hobbies are such aerial birds taking their prey on the wing and missing digits on one limb would be disasterous! She will also be prone to developing bumblefoot in this leg and eventually both feet. Sorry, doesn't bode well for the falcon.

[Dude]

bad news... :( I hope she survive, he had this bird since 1 year, but the bird looks good, and also use the injured foot, yes she only lost her digits, but she can stand on this feet without problem, also can stand just on the injured one when she pull up the nother leg.

[Jiff]

again dude, alot of experience is neccessary to target a perticular age of a perticular species, you must get very fermilliar with you're trap area and it's numbers, watch out for the weather changing and listen for the birds starting to pair up when the young are starting to fledge if you have a few arround you it won't be hard to miss, where i live we have a great number of starlings, when the you'ng fledge the noise is outragious in the early evening and the ammount of birds un-believable, however it's still very noticeable where small numbers are present but you must get to know the area, and at what times of year differant behaviour takes place,then you can pick you're time and place to trap.

[Sprout]

So why does he want to know about trapping if only after another injured one?

[Dude]

coz he wanna try to fly a healthly one and than let it free again

[Jiff]

fair point my young friend, why don't he just take one from a nest and hand rear it, un-ethical i suppose but so is trapping i think.

[Sprout]

Hobbies are difficult at the best of times. If taking an eyass remember they are migratory so will need to be fit enough and hunting efficiently for release in Autumn and very few falconry birds will ever get as fit as a wild hobby. If taking a haggard or passeger then hobbies don't do well in our cold winter months so very little flying and even less hunting will be done or if these are caught earlier in the summer for a planned release in autumn then you are trapping breeding stock. Unless there is a real reason for trapping one then I wouldn't recommed it. Spend your time on something else.

[Dude]

I also, but he is a mature man, if he want to do its his business, he just asked me to write this to the forum to get some ideas... Here we cannot fly anything just a few birds even if they are captive bred one with cites etc. if he buy a hobby the ministry will not give him permits to keep and bring the bird in to the zoo, lol we are also the europian union and cannot keep what we want...I hope we get more freedom to keep a various range of bird for flying hunting demos etc.

[Dude]

thats why I keep HHs we dont need permit for them and the ministry leave me alone.......