which is best ?

[Matt]

hi iv never had any telem . its high time i took the plunge .
i would like to know just what is thwe best system ???
im under the impression that you can get no better than lucsander for quality of product , after sales care . and reliability.
but can you get the same sort of result from a uk manifacturer or a combination of differant products for differant manifactures???
ie marshall transmitters with say benn long reicever . or is it best as i suspect to by all from the best on the market and same manifacture .
all the best matt

[Shaun Byrne]

I've always had Biotrack Matt. Simple to use and with them being British the after sales and repair service is pretty quick. Cant fault them mate.

[Mr_Colin]

I use Falconry Electronics. Its a uk based company and the after sales was excellent when my transmitter stopped working. They even sent me a temporary replacement while mine was being looked at. How many companies do this? I would hate to stop flying in the hunting season just because my telemetry went tits up.

Col

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi Matt,

You can use a different combination of receiver and transmitter so long as they both operate off of the same frequency.

All The Best,

HH

[Matt]

cool i wa alking to the guy at falconry electronics at the cla i must admit that i was impreesd with the packages they offer . including the after sales the guy was saying that although the transmitters where manifactured in the states they uk dealer sorts any falty good here so there is no shipping and this usuqaly led to a full replacement or a new transmitter at a reduced price . thing i though the transmitters looked a bit naff , also the batterys in the micro which is more than likly the unit i will use is snap in baterys . which left me thinking a good bang could find me leaving battarys in the feild or worse still all the gear fitted with no signal...
but if i could use other makes i think i would go for the marshal micro as it looks a very good unit.
any more thoughts on my thery would be greatly apressiated all the best matt.

[OutFlying]

Marshalls, Biotrack, Luksander - recievers will all do the job well.

Marshall micro transmitter.

[Ben C]

Matt: Excuse me for asking, but have you never used telemetery on all the birds you have flown?

[Matt]

nope never lost one eather . how do ya like that . go on gets hear it .....

the only time i ever realy needed it was with the perlin as he would kill in weird places , barn roofs ect .
iv done it old school mate so far but im not happy about taking the risk any more im getting old .
iv relied on good weight controll and good bells so far , you should try it . that will get you trusting your instincts and your bond with your bird.
all the best matt

[Bones]

Matt: Excuse me for asking, but have you never used telemetery on all the birds you have flown?
Nor me mate :wink:

[Ben C]

Lets hear what ? :) :) I am glad you have never lost one, I was once told by a very experienced falconer that you can not be classed a falconer until you have lost AND found you hawk! :)

Out of interest how many different BOP have you flown and which was the best? :) :) Surely you ain't that old to go jumping around on barn roof mate??? :) :) :) :)

[OutFlying]

nope never lost one eather . how do ya like that . go on gets hear it .....

the only time i ever realy needed it was with the perlin as he would kill in weird places , barn roofs ect .
iv done it old school mate so far but im not happy about taking the risk any more im getting old .
iv relied on good weight controll and good bells so far , you should try it . that will get you trusting your instincts and your bond with your bird.
all the best matt

Good weight control - how does this help when your on weight falcon/hawk is pursuing quarry out of sight and hearing range and killing ? When you want that handy crow or magpie to tell you where your hawk is they always seem to have the day off when it matters.

Final point if your hawk has caught it is your responsibility to get to the quarry and dispatch it as soon as possible, telemetry offers this and is a back up if your old school methods don't work.

Yours Jim.

[Matt]

i agree . thats the point im asking about the systems so that i no longer have this sort of problem. to be hionest i try not to enter my birds on quarry that is likly to draw the bird to far ie crows ect. most of the birds have been lure bound for this very reason . i have hunted with perlin harris spar pere/saker and only ever needed it with the perlin . as said before.
two things i would love to get to the bottom of are
one who the **** is this old very experianced falconer that quoats all this **** to you ben ? he sounds like a proper old boar.
two why is it such a big deal what i do with my birds ? it has worked for me so far and i make no apoligise to anybody for it . i will continue to do as i see fit not to impress any body but because i personaly enjoy it .
i some times wonder how good some of the birds belonging to forum members are ? how do they ever get flown with the amount of time they spend correcting others on this site.
i like to meet and talk to many falconers as i can and a hell of alot seem to see the world as i do and practise the same methods as i do (ok maybe not the telem thing but hey) why is it that very few forum members are like that ????
this is the bit you will like ben most are very experianced and wise old falconers . im not gona name drop but most of you will eather know them or at least have bought birds of them.
all the best matt
ps im gona regreat posting this reply i know but this site is getting more like a ****ing post every day with a few cocky bastareds trying to put down or over shadow other members with there wisdom and high statuse experiance . well try to remember this is not what its hear for . i asked a question that i got some good replys to . try to remember why we are hear and leave me out of the arguments in future as i have no time for it .

[Kornie]

i agree . thats the point im asking about the systems so that i no longer have this sort of problem. to be hionest i try not to enter my birds on quarry that is likly to draw the bird to far ie crows ect. most of the birds have been lure bound for this very reason . i have hunted with perlin harris spar pere/saker and only ever needed it with the perlin . as said before.
two things i would love to get to the bottom of are
one who the **** is this old very experianced falconer that quoats all this **** to you ben ? he sounds like a proper old boar.
two why is it such a big deal what i do with my birds ? it has worked for me so far and i make no apoligise to anybody for it . i will continue to do as i see fit not to impress any body but because i personaly enjoy it .
i some times wonder how good some of the birds belonging to forum members are ? how do they ever get flown with the amount of time they spend correcting others on this site.
i like to meet and talk to many falconers as i can and a hell of alot seem to see the world as i do and practise the same methods as i do (ok maybe not the telem thing but hey) why is it that very few forum members are like that ????
this is the bit you will like ben most are very experianced and wise old falconers . im not gona name drop but most of you will eather know them or at least have bought birds of them.
all the best matt
ps im gona regreat posting this reply i know but this site is getting more like a ****ing post every day with a few cocky bastareds trying to put down or over shadow other members with there wisdom and high statuse experiance . well try to remember this is not what its hear for . i asked a question that i got some good replys to . try to remember why we are hear and leave me out of the arguments in future as i have no time for it .

HERE HERE MATT!!!

I fly my bird with no telemetry. Even last year flew her completely naked! I was so certain of the flying bond and hunting bond that I felt no need to even panick. If the birds are as good a huting partners as made out. They should make the same effort to find you as you do to find them...

Handy but by no means necassary. I use me eyes, shanks' pony... and the reliability of my hawk.

[Adam Barrett]

Kornie i 100% understand what you are saying and respect your veiws about without flying with telem.

my point of argument would simply be what if your bird kills out of sight?
surley if your hawk is in a 1/2 mile flight at pheasent which reults in a kill you can no way expect the bird to return to you-no matter how good your hunting bond and reliabilty of your hawk is.

thanks
Adam

[BlueHawk]

Kornie

This is a bit like the old school, new age post that went up this week mate.

Take the old motor car, we didn't used to have to wear our seatbelts and I've never rolled my car into a field but I still wear one...

So far i've only once had my telemetry out in anger and that was when my Harris lost ME in some thick fir forest, so it was worth the investment for just one small incident for me.

You can still be a first class falconer and use a little help now and again.

Not having a pop, and I know from what you're saying that you know the game. Each to their own.. :wink:

[Ben C]

Matt: He said that to appease me when I lost my hawk up a tree WITHOUT telem. I never mentioned his age, but I'll pass on your kind and generous thoughts to him. It is in fact a COMPLIMENT to both of us that we have NOT lost hawks.

"You cannot be called a falconer until you have LOST AND FOUND you hawk". Since we have done both then we can therefore be called falconers. I was just trying to be nice, no need to call my mentor **** and ****.

Also please take note of the smilies, they show the generally nice way in which I am saying things.

You also have PM

[Moet]

Matt chill out, think your getting a bit stressed over nothing :wink:

[Mr_Colin]

cool i wa alking to the guy at falconry electronics at the cla i must admit that i was impreesd with the packages they offer . including the after sales the guy was saying that although the transmitters where manifactured in the states they uk dealer sorts any falty good here so there is no shipping and this usuqaly led to a full replacement or a new transmitter at a reduced price . thing i though the transmitters looked a bit naff , also the batterys in the micro which is more than likly the unit i will use is snap in baterys . which left me thinking a good bang could find me leaving battarys in the feild or worse still all the gear fitted with no signal...
.

Hiya Matt

Just as a follow up to your quote above I fly a female HH with the Falconry Electronics Sterling TX12-1. This has a screw cap for the battery, so no problems with the battery falling out. I got given the type you describe when I had to get my transmitter repaired and I was worried about this same thing, how-ever I found that the battery is a very stiff fit and I would doubt that you would have a battery fall out, but I know this is never a perfect world and the impossible does happen when you don't want it to. A Falconer friend of mine uses all types of transmitters and different sizes (he has 14 birds of various descriptions) from the Falconry Electronics range has never has any problems with batteries falling out.

I am not saying they are the best as I have only used one other type of telemetry (which I used on a course and really hated it) and find the one I have to be alot better. My mate replaced his after seeing mine.

Regards

Colin

[Adam Barrett]

i fly with a large merlin transmiter and they come with a plastic sheath that holds the battery securley in place so you wont have any problems with the batterys falling out in the feild. :)

[Kornie]

Kornie i 100% understand what you are saying and respect your veiws about without flying with telem.

my point of argument would simply be what if your bird kills out of sight?
surley if your hawk is in a 1/2 mile flight at pheasent which reults in a kill you can no way expect the bird to return to you-no matter how good your hunting bond and reliabilty of your hawk is.

thanks
Adam

Beleive me Adam, I also 100% wholy agree with the benifits of Telemetry, I was just opposing the "OMG you dont have telemetry jist" :D

Just making a point that you can live without it. THe pheasant thing happened to me that exact way. I sure would have appreciated telemetry then...

[Adam Barrett]

Beleive me Adam, I also 100% wholy agree with the benifits of Telemetry, I was just opposing the "OMG you dont have telemetry jist"

:wink: :D

[OutFlying]

Kornie i 100% understand what you are saying and respect your veiws about without flying with telem.

my point of argument would simply be what if your bird kills out of sight?
surley if your hawk is in a 1/2 mile flight at pheasent which reults in a kill you can no way expect the bird to return to you-no matter how good your hunting bond and reliabilty of your hawk is.

thanks
Adam

Beleive me Adam, I also 100% wholy agree with the benifits of Telemetry, I was just opposing the "OMG you dont have telemetry jist" :D

Just making a point that you can live without it. THe pheasant thing happened to me that exact way. I sure would have appreciated telemetry then...

Kornie, you can drive a car without a seat belt without ever having a problem. But one day some one crashes into you and the seat belt saves the day - telemetry is the same, not always needed but when **** happens it comes in handy.

[Adam Barrett]

i also think that telemetry gives you piece of mind allowing you to push and work your bird harder and further-

8) what do you think :?:

[IAmTheWeasel]

One the other hand Adam, It causes just as many people to become dependant on the telemetry and get sloppy with such things as weight control and training since they now know they have a bit of insurance. I am far from saying telemtry is bad as I use it as do most of the falconers I know. I just make sure that it does not overide my techniqes in other areas of falconry that are far more important.

[Adam Barrett]

Good point weasel-never thought of it like that-
cheers :wink:

[Gozzhawk]

Using Falconry electronics for work this season , at first found the signal bounce different from Marshall which i use on own birds , have to admit tho it is reliable in the field, got a sakeret who has a habit of going a few fields away( out of sight due to forestry) chasing rooks and get him back no probs. One problem i found last year was a transmitter i had on a saker she did one and myself and a kind gent from English Nature tracked her foe 28, yes 28 days till the battery ran out , couldnt pinpoint her roost site and due to terrain only glimpses in daylight . Would have been able to afford another bird through all the money i spent chasing her!!! Still at least i know shes out there killing and surviving!!

[Kornie]

One the other hand Adam, It causes just as many people to become dependant on the telemetry and get sloppy with such things as weight control and training since they now know they have a bit of insurance. I am far from saying telemtry is bad as I use it as do most of the falconers I know. I just make sure that it does not overide my techniqes in other areas of falconry that are far more important.

Weasal, I was jumping up and down in my seat reading that...I was going to write it last time but thought Id wait for a bit of response first!!!.... :evil:

Oh well, I agree to that. But still, bit of extra security never hurt.

[Afshimo]

I got telem for Afra cus she was the first falcon i had trained start to finish bar the kes but I didnt have a small enough transmiter, I hadnt heard of the little ones lol, didnt have the money for it either.

I agree with weasel, people do get to rely on telem too much and forget about weight and keel. Jim Chick has never weighed any of his birds, he fly's everything from merlin to african fish eagle, he just feels the keel! Anyways, each to his/her own, as long as they work for you then who's to argue?

(BTW, did anyone see the Merlin, Pumkin, at the CLA? So small and cute and tiny and....what was I saying :) She'd been doing some breeding for a good few years but was getting to old so is she's having a nice life hunting and static displays - aww!)

[Bill]

i also think that telemetry gives you piece of mind allowing you to push and work your bird harder and further

Or cut corners when you shouldn't :!:

sorry see someone made that point.

[Liam Hay]

Falconry Electronics are by far the best

[Adam Barrett]

Or cut corners when you shouldn't

i dont think you understand what i was trying to say mate.
i was in no way saying telemetry is a subsitute to weighing and judging your birds over all physical condition :!:

[OhMyGod]

BIOTRACK

excellent system

£640 with tag and bag (enough room for 3 tags on the one channel)
£700 with tag and bag (enough room for 6 tags on 6 seperate channels)

inc vat del etc.

Better to get a good system, look after it well and it will last for a long time. I wouldn't buy cheaper telemetry, most systems I seen are clumsy and harder to use, also not as accurate and tend to have a higher back signal.

[HawkNorth]

falconry electronics

is another very good system in extreme conditions
excellent after sails service