Hawk Board [Archive] - Falconry Forum (IFF)

Moritz

07-08-2005, 03:35 PM

OK we are going around in circles here. I have read the page, twice. What has the HB, as the recognized representative body for all hawk & owl keepers in the UK specifically done?

They have stope them from making feeding DOCs illegal. But what else? The HB works since 1979 (over 25 years) is that all they have achieved?
You said that they give information to the BFC and the WHC, so could someone please give me the information they got from the HB. I am just interested what the top falconers of the UK have done for falconry in 25 years.

Thx Moritz

Sprout

07-08-2005, 05:34 PM

What else? The Hawk Board have a very active interest in falconry and I'd be pretty confident that without them we wouldn't legally be flying birds today. Rather than being so critical, if you are so interested in what they are doing then either get off your arse and go to a meeting or join a club that is on the hawk board and ask their representative. How are you supporting the hawk board??? I assume you're not a member of a club or ever made a donation to support them?

Sprout

07-08-2005, 05:36 PM

The vast majority of their work is watching for legislation that will affect falconry and acting upon it. The reason you hear little is because they are so good at acting on these proposed changes to legislation.

Moritz

07-08-2005, 06:06 PM

Would donating 1000£ or joining a club that is part of the HB open the box of what the HB has done? Before I buy any goods I want to now how good they are and what they do. So please someone answer my question. What have they done?

By the way you used the word "critical" you should have used "inquire".
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=18369&dict=CALD
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=40954

Moritz

Mr. Twinkie

07-08-2005, 06:46 PM

mayb sum of the of the members of the hawk board, which are also members on here should answer his question........I d also like to hear what they have done???

Moritz

07-08-2005, 07:00 PM

Yes please, that would be great!

Thx Moritz

Sprout

07-08-2005, 08:41 PM

You can always go along to a club and ask them personally. How about e-mailing them privately yourselves. I'd like to hear the response if you're suggesting to Martin Jones, Nick Fox, Terry Large etc etc that they're not doing anything active to help falconry!

Sprout

07-08-2005, 09:20 PM

Before I buy any goods I want to now how good they are
The fact you can still fly birds relatively unrestricted shows HOW GOOD they are

PeregrinesUK

07-08-2005, 09:49 PM

The fact you can still fly birds relatively unrestricted shows HOW GOOD they are
totally

most recently they worked on the wording of the hunting act to make sure we could still use hounds to flush mammals for falconry- there work is imperative to the sport I think to ask for a list of what the HB has done for us is mad they work constantly for us on our behalf fighting the never ending assault from protesters 26 years of hard work which should be shown the respect it deserves! Without there work there would be no falconry its simple... we owe these men and women over the years an awful lot especially our respect and appreciation … Thankyou

Mr. Twinkie

07-08-2005, 09:50 PM

mmmm.....mayb we should have some restrictions.......we all know people who shouldnt ever have birds of prey.....as for helping falconry....isnt that up to all of us....??.......but that takes the thread away from the originally question asked.......i know there are some of the hawk board on the forum.....so i dont think they need to be emailed......and ther free to reply

Moritz

08-08-2005, 01:40 PM

Thx peregrinusUK.

What I ask my self is, why is it so difficult to get information what the HB does. Although this thread is going on for some time I still do not know what they have achieved. You told me 2 things but there must be more then that. Many of you are in clubs that are in the HB but still can't pass the information on. Could someone from the HB please tell me what they have done in the last 12 month. I don't know it so please tell me.

thx

Moritz

PeregrinesUK

08-08-2005, 09:36 PM

have a look at last years ibr i has an article of the HB year for 2004

Shaun Byrne

08-08-2005, 09:37 PM

I see what you're saying Moritz, I dont think anyone really knows the ins and outs of what goes on. There's no doubt they do a good job but maybe they could publicise it a bit better and maybe get more support from falconers.

Maybe if we knew more about their current work we could do more to help as Mr T said, instead of just having to give them a pat on the back after the event.

Moritz

08-08-2005, 10:29 PM

Thx H4wka, you are right. I hope that someone of the HB reads this and they start thinking about their public work. It is quite frightening that 270 people have read this topic but nobody could give me a full answer.

I will have a look at the IBR.

If there is anybody out there who knows what they have achieved please tell us.

Thx Moritz

Afshimo

08-08-2005, 10:43 PM

hi,

i helped out on the stall for Hawkbored/campain for falconry, reading the boards, it talks about stuff like fox hunting and general field sports, and when they wanted an eagle to infront of the pack of hounds they stood and and expalined why not. They set out guidelines for bird of prey keepers and a standard (but few actually listen or read the pamphlet!) They work on reigratration and actually have views from propper falconers to keep the fee's down to a minimum. They have resresentatives in the government to support falconry, and he does try and get our side accros to the government. They get the latest info and idea's, and push them around and see how we react. If the majority dont like the idea - they scrap it. They work together and as they do have falconers in the team, try and work whats best for falconry. Personly, they work pretty hard and I am pretty greatfull!

The have acheived abit over the years, but the big stuff that ppl notice they still are fighting for, so its hard to say exactly what, mainly the bans of hunting, eagles and registration are the mian stuff.

Shaun Byrne

09-08-2005, 08:10 AM

Thats good Hannah, I take it you know all this from working with Terry Large but if a newcommer wanted to know right this second what the HB are doing where would they look?

Moritz

09-08-2005, 02:54 PM

Thx Hannah, it is amassing that a 14 year old knows more about HB then the rest of us. We will talk about it when we see us.

Still some more information would be great.

Thx Moritz

Shaun Byrne

09-08-2005, 03:21 PM

You in Yorkshire yet Moritz??

Moritz

09-08-2005, 03:37 PM

I PMed you.

Afshimo

09-08-2005, 05:32 PM

best thing is to speak to hawkbord or e-mail them. Most of them are the same as us - falconers!

Moritz, I need to PM u bout tue!

Miguel Gomez

10-08-2005, 09:34 AM

Moritz tell us about the state of falconry in Germany - Hybrids to be banned/or Banned - maybe if they had a Hawk Board..........

Moritz

10-08-2005, 12:28 PM

376 people and still nobody can answer my question.

Hybrids have been baned by the DFO and the greens. The DFO is the German BFC. The HB should have informed all UK falconers about what is going on in Germany as it was a very important event for falconry. This could effect you more then you think as we are all in the EU and what one country does is easier for a second to do.

I just gave you information, but what I want is somebody to give me information on the HB.

Thx Moritz

Varmint

10-08-2005, 01:56 PM

maybe we should all just give up eh? :roll:

Or just give moritz the job of keeping falconry legal worldwide :lol: :lol: :twisted:

Why are some folks not just content with the fact that we can sleep in our beds at night knowing that others are selflesly working on our behalf without always seeing the negatives.

Falconers really are their own worst enemies and sometimes im ashamed to be be labelled as one :oops: :roll:

BrianM

10-08-2005, 01:58 PM

i think youve got a bit of a chip on your shoulder there mate

Varmint

10-08-2005, 02:07 PM

I could give you many, many examples of their work, but to be honest Moritz, i really cant be bothered cause your attitude stinks!

OutFlying

10-08-2005, 03:15 PM

H4wka that was kind of a joke. Well guys get some more info for the people that are falconers but are not in a club.

Moritz

Moritz do you contribute any funds to the Hawk Board, (via Club Membership or similar) if not why not if your so interested in their work ?

Jim.

Moritz

10-08-2005, 03:55 PM

I am thinking of joining a club that is member of the HB, but be for I do that I would like to know what I get for my money. You don not go to a shop pay for the shopping and then look at it afterwards.

I have asked a simple question "What has the HB don?". 450 people have read it no one could give me a full and good answer. Instead I have been told that I am critical, should get of my Ass, got a chip on my shoulder and have a stinking attitude. But not what the HB has done in 26 years. So can some one tell what the HB has done since 1979.

Thx Moritz

MickeyDredd

10-08-2005, 04:11 PM

I am thinking of joining a club that is member of the HB, but be for I do that I would like to know what I get for my money. You don not go to a shop pay for the shopping and then look at it afterwards.
Thx Moritz

Moritz
Only a small element of your club subscription fee will go to the HB so you should probably be asking what the club will do for you if you are looking for value for money.

I am a member of the BFC, not for what it will do for me but because I do not attend marches etc to fight for the right to practise my sport so entrust the BFC, HB or whoever to fight on my behalf through my subscription fees. I do not need to know specifically what they are doing for me but there is usually a representative of the HB at the BFC agm (Scottish Group anyway) who updates us on current legislation issues the HB are involved in.

I'm sure if you write or e-mail the HB or a representative they should be able to give you the info you require. Hopefully you will find that your question will receive a response as positive as the "what did the romans ever do for us" question :D

Mike

ps Don't know if these are up to date but got them from HB website

Contact details for The Hawk Board

Mike Clowes,
Le Moulin de l`Age,
86390 Lathus St Remy,
France
Tel: 0033 5491 7930
E mail: mike.clowes@halfacre131.fsnet.co.uk

Contact details for The Campaign for Falconry

AnnBeckett-Bradshaw
262, Luton Road,
Dunstable,
Beds LU5 4LF
UKE mail: campaignforfalconry@ntlworld.com

Webmaster: enquiries@woof-websites.co.uk

Ben C

10-08-2005, 04:19 PM

Aquaduct..................medicine............the roads..............PEACE :)

MickeyDredd

10-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Yes, but apart from those.......

Ben C

10-08-2005, 04:25 PM

Democracy.............sanitation........remember what it was like before sanitation eh Mickey.............:).......

MickeyDredd

10-08-2005, 04:29 PM

Yeah I was at the Birthday Bash.....and I'm from Scotland remember :lol:

Mr_Colin

10-08-2005, 04:30 PM

Wine and we all love that :drinkers:

Ben C

10-08-2005, 04:31 PM

:) :) :)..............still trying to piece it all together mate......THATS WHAT THE ROMANS DID FOR US........................WINE!!! :)

BrianM

10-08-2005, 04:32 PM

dont tell me youve got another day off colin????????

BrianM

10-08-2005, 04:42 PM

I am thinking of joining a club that is member of the HB, but be for I do that I would like to know what I get for my money. You don not go to a shop pay for the shopping and then look at it afterwards.

Thx Moritz
by the same token moritz noone is forceing you to pay into the HB funds.. if you feel its not worth paying into then dont......... why dont you contact the HB and ask THEM what they do for you instead of ******** at the forum members because the wont give the answer that you want

OutFlying

10-08-2005, 06:03 PM

I am thinking of joining a club that is member of the HB, but be for I do that I would like to know what I get for my money. You don not go to a shop pay for the shopping and then look at it afterwards.

I have asked a simple question "What has the HB don?". 450 people have read it no one could give me a full and good answer. Instead I have been told that I am critical, should get of my Ass, got a chip on my shoulder and have a stinking attitude. But not what the HB has done in 26 years. So can some one tell what the HB has done since 1979.

Thx Moritz

Moritz,
The Hawk Board is the only body that the Government will deal with, I'm sure many things are / have been dealt with without needing brass bands to announce them. Hunting with dogs has been dealt with recently. As previously advised why don't you contact them directly and ask what major issues have been dealt with.

OF.

Sprout

10-08-2005, 11:06 PM

Maybe Moritz if you were able to give the HB a large donation I'm sure that would pay for all the expense it would cost to publish the work the Hawk Board is working on. Personally I'd rather they spend their money protecting our sport and me not knowing the horrors they are fighting than waste it letting me know what exactly they are doing. If I really wanted to know something I'd make the effort to contact them rather than whinging about it.

Bill

10-08-2005, 11:31 PM

Well guys get some more info for the people that are falconers but are not in a club.

Moritz

Join an affiliated one and then some of the membership fee goes to HB.
Do you want it all for nothing?

Bill

10-08-2005, 11:43 PM

I've got to page two of this topic and I have to agree with the comment "get off your *****" Moritz. I take it you have access to the internet - google "hawk board" search uk.
one entry reads:

The Federation of British Herpetologists
... we have consulted the USA CITES Management Authority and the Hawk Board to
... Dr Nick Fox of the Hawk Board and Aeron Williams of Parrot Society. ...
www.f-b-h.co.uk/citesbulletin.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages

and there are many others.

You could also search this site http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=718&start=30
see my posts.

I for one would rather that these volunteers get on with the work they do so well rather than have to update individuals as to "what theve done for the past 25 years"

Final word - bored
sorry if this has been said in the remaining pages.

Kevin Massey

11-08-2005, 12:00 AM

I take it you have access to the internet - google "hawk board" search uk.

yay for common sence !!! :supz:

Wightwings

11-08-2005, 12:31 AM

yes praise the lord for a bit of common........... :roll: :roll:

SecretSquirrel

11-08-2005, 12:57 AM

i cant say anything detailed about what the hawk board has done in the past as i am new. . ish. but i presume the very reason you arent getting your answer is that the more experienced falconers here that do know really dont have the time to type the million and one things that they have achieved over the 25 years, their post would span pages!. why else would there be a hawk board if there was no need of them. one only needs to read the cage and aviary mag and countrymans weekly to keep on top of their work and reading articles. Like me; Ive only been involved in falconry a few years, a mere baby, but even i know what they are doing amongst other things at this moment: working to create a practical course for all learning prospective falconers in the uk. A course recognised by the hawk board for a basic stepping stone to keeping raptors ,care of and training. This can only improve the level of knowledge that interested would-be falconers in the UK would recieve and therefore minimise raptors going to homes with keepers who didnt know enough about raptors to safely care for one.
i have no doubt that the hawk board was formed to protect the interests of the sport and will continue to do so within the realms of watching legislation and supporting the clubs with speakers and information and protecting the raptors the best way they have been, quietly and accurately.

OutFlying

11-08-2005, 08:01 AM

Well guys get some more info for the people that are falconers but are not in a club.

Moritz

Join an affiliated one and then some of the membership fee goes to HB.
Do you want it all for nothing?

Well said Bill, too many people out there wanting everything but not willing to contribute. It usually "I'm not in a club because I don't need to fly on field meets or with anyone else" - BUT miss the big picture - being in a club is not only about flying but about protecting the sport.

Jim.

ColdZero

11-08-2005, 08:19 AM

From what i have picked up from this thread...the point is not what they have changed, but they haven't so its hard to list everything. Falconry hasn't changed, and we owe it tot he work of the hawk board?

Wightwings

11-08-2005, 08:21 AM

well said OF. I know the club we are a member of has an active representative that attends HB meetings to keep our club and its members informed of all relevent and developing issues.

MickeyDredd

11-08-2005, 08:35 AM

The HB website states that if your nominated club rep is not passing on the information provided by the HB then you should get a new representative!! :)

Moritz

12-08-2005, 11:22 PM

over 680 people have read this thread and still nobody can tell me what the HB has done since they have come into power. I don't want to know what I get on joining a club or paragraphs of your opinions about me or other things. I don't want a full list of what they have done but the most important things they have achieved. When someone asked me what the DFO has done since Renz Waller founded it I could tell you 5 things straight away. Why can't you do the same for your most important association.

What I am going to do is tell you what the DFO has done but just one a day.

1. Breeding of peregrines and reintroduction

If you can give me one of the HB I will give you the second one of the DFO.

Take care

Moritz

BrianM

12-08-2005, 11:25 PM

DONT JOIN IT THEN **** me.. i am BORED with this

Varmint

12-08-2005, 11:25 PM

It isnt a competition Moritz??

Get a girlfriend and ask her to talk to you about that dangly thing between your legs mate?? :goodman:

Wightwings

12-08-2005, 11:30 PM

you seem like a man on a mission Moritz? not to sure what that mission is but hope you enjoy the ride mate.

what do you want to hear.......oohh hang on here it is ......the HB have done F3 ck hall....... :roll:

it may be difficult to "list" items as you are requwsting and in truth i cant be a r sed doing it, but i do know the HB is a sensible, solid voice for the sport of Falconry in these times when the WHOLE subject of field sports is under some form of threat......hence they should be supported and stood behind if you have a genuine afinity for what we all do.

Gawd see what you did you made me stand on that bloody soap box ...aaahhh

Moritz

12-08-2005, 11:38 PM

I don't want a list, you give me one and then I give you one. Simple game I learned it in the nursery.

Moritz

Varmint

12-08-2005, 11:41 PM

Maybe go back there and suck on something mate :wink:

Smyril

13-08-2005, 12:07 AM

You don not go to a shop pay for the shopping and then look at it afterwards.

I assume that if you wanted to know something about the shop though you would speak to the manager and not harrass the customers. Have you contacted the Hawk Board yet? They have a Press Officer as an appointee.

Press/Publicity Officer.
Nick Kester. Tel01267 281448. Mob. 07802 677204. E-mail: press@britishfalconersclub.co.uk

As many others have said, the Hawk Board do plenty. There are reports in the BFC newsletter - try borrowing a copy.

Moritz

13-08-2005, 12:40 AM

Being the 766 person to read this topic would it not have been nice to tell me one or two things? You must have read this news letters so tell me what was in it about the HB.

As I don not harass the customers, the customers should be happy to tell me WHY the shop is so good. The manager will always tell me that it is the best shop.

Moritz

SecretSquirrel

13-08-2005, 01:23 AM

well, it didnt take me long to have a look and give you some examples M. . so if you have the time. . . read on. (personally Id rather spend it with my birds, knowing our interests are being looked after ) if you need more detailed info, times , dates , names, I suggest you go to the source and contact the coordinater (name and contact supplied) just in case you couldnt be bothered to research that. :P

happy reading. I dont go for all that ' Ill show you mine if you show me yours thing' so forget the telling us info one day at a time, cos if we need info, we can get it. . . :?

if you dont want to give them any money, don't , they protect all owl keepers and BoP keepers anyway whether you contribute or not. hope this helps you in your mission. and i hope my attachment worked! :shock:

SecretSquirrel

13-08-2005, 01:23 AM

ps moritz. . . there isnt another shop. . .

Wightwings

13-08-2005, 08:21 AM

ps moritz. . . there isnt another shop. . .

:lol: :lol: :supz: :supz: nice one i like that

OutFlying

13-08-2005, 10:24 AM

Rob Redtail

13-08-2005, 11:17 AM

Hi MORITZ. Do you fly a bird yourself ??? if so then maybe the most important thing they have done is to keep you the right to own and fly and hunt with your bird because i'm sure that without them by now you would have lost that right ...in this country at least,,,,R'gards Rob.

Moritz

13-08-2005, 12:34 PM

Thx SecretSquirrel,
that was the best I you guys gave me so far, now I know a bit more about them, but there must be more so if anything comes to mind just post it here. It seems that I am not the only person who does not know the answer to my question.

I hope that some of you realized that they don't know as much about the HB as they should. It is important to know what your representatives do. My people learned it the hard way, it happened about 60 years ago.

Ask your self you won't give me the answer or you can't?

Lets make a collection of information of data of what the HB has done so newcomers, people who did not know before and falconers from all around the world learn "What has the HB done?".

Thx Moritz

OutFlying

13-08-2005, 12:40 PM

That's a good idea, once you've contacted them YOURSELF and found out the answers to your personnel quest for knowledge - you can post your findings here. Even though the HB's purpose, aims and objectives are laid out on its web site.

OF.

ColdZero

13-08-2005, 12:56 PM

i have to say one thing though, why is everyone saying moritz should of found everything out himself? Isn't this forum for people to ask questions? :shock: For instance, a google search (or forum search) would answer an awful lot of the questions here but people just answer and get on with it.

Moritz

13-08-2005, 02:56 PM

Thx CZ

OutFlying

13-08-2005, 04:43 PM

Sprout

13-08-2005, 08:47 PM

Moritz is the only one questioning that the Hawk Board have done nothing for falconry (don't argue Moritz, in a round about way you ARE suggesting that!). Rather than whinging that no-one will give him information he still can't be bothered to find out himself!!!I don't know the intricate little specifics that the HB have done but I am satisfied that they have done a good job protecting my sport. Moritz has been given enough contact information to be able to find the information out for himself rather than just whinging why no one has listed for him.

Mr. Twinkie

13-08-2005, 09:14 PM

y is this topic still goin...its been a few days since i ve been on and am amazed thtat no 1 has given him an example of wot the hb r doin???.....everybody is...sayin go 2 website...blah blah blah....y not give an up 2 date example of wot the hb r doin on the forum.....its for the exchange of info???? i'm not a member of any club, but i still know wots goin on........
the goverment are currently working on new animal welfare legislation.....part of that would prevent falconers tethering their bird for more than 3 hrs a day....meaning they would hav 2 be turned loose in2 an avery......every falconer can c how this would **** up the trainin of a young bird....??? as far as i'm aware this has been changed thanks 2 the hb efforts....
its a shame sum1 from the hb who r on ere didnt help with moritz question........its good 2 share :wink:

Moritz

13-08-2005, 10:16 PM

Thx for that. I did not know that before and probably many others did not either.

Thx Moritz

Moritz

09-09-2007, 09:36 AM

...................
I would just like to bring this thread back to members attention,
maybe some of the hawkboard members on here could answer my questions?

Thx

Moritz

Mr. Twinkie

09-09-2007, 09:50 AM

so it been almost two years since i ve logged on ere and i c that still no1 tuthas been able to share info on what the hawkboard is doing..... tut tut.

Jaffas

09-09-2007, 04:23 PM

http://hawkboard.org.uk/

Following that link goes to a different web page that I usually see when I visit the HB site. The one I have in my web links folder is this one;

http://www.hawkboard-cff.org.uk/

Don't know if Moritz has had this link given [not read all these posts yet] and seen the info on there - and the other links to pages on the site... the other link above was... "confusing" where-as mine is direct to the HB site and info.

J

GregMik

09-09-2007, 05:11 PM

One thing I saw them doing when I was over for the Welsh Hawking Club meet in 2005. There was an outbreak of Bird Flu. Defra shut down all Field meets for an indefinite time and were going to ban all hunting and flying with birds period. There was an emergency meeting and the hunting was allowed and a time frame was set up for future field meets.

Just one thing I saw them do in the 10 days I was there.

Greg

Chicquera

10-09-2007, 10:26 AM

Considering the amount of falconers / raptor keepers that look at the IFF on a regular basis you would have thought that someone from the HB would have already approached the IFF with a view to keeping people informed as to what they're up to !!! :roll:

Chicquera

10-09-2007, 10:43 AM

Just found this photo of Jim Chick giving a presentation to a recent HB meeting !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK

10-09-2007, 10:42 PM

I take up office as one of the specialists to the hawkboard next month and will then gladly answer any questions. There was a thread posted previously.

Sarah J

10-09-2007, 11:34 PM

Just found this photo of Jim Chick giving a presentation to a recent HB meeting !! :lol: :lol:

Funny as hell :supz: :twisted:

Quiver

10-09-2007, 11:40 PM

Just found this photo of Jim Chick giving a presentation to a recent HB meeting !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

thats the best lol.

chris.:lol:

Chicquera

10-09-2007, 11:46 PM

Funny as hell :supz: :twisted:

I'm glad someone shares my warped sense of humour !! :rolleyes:

Kevin Massey

11-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Moritz,
The Hawk Board is the only body that the Government will deal with,

My Understanding also.....

Also and I didnt know untill quite recently that they have saved falconry in the uk and some parts of europe

Chicquera

11-09-2007, 05:29 PM

My Understanding also.....

Also and I didnt know untill quite recently that they have saved falconry in the uk and some parts of europe

WRONG !!!
I have set up meetings every year for professional falcon breeders who export the bulk of their production and Defra have been quite happy to meet us.
I think John Hounslow would be open to talking to any group of raptor keepers that feel they may not be totally represented by the Hawk Board and have an issue they wish to discuss !

Tim Laycock

11-09-2007, 05:39 PM

WRONG !!!
I have set up meetings every year for professional falcon breeders who export the bulk of their production and Defra have been quite happy to meet us.
I think John Hounslow would be open to talking to any group of raptor keepers that feel they may not be totally represented by the Hawk Board and have an issue they wish to discuss !

Yeah, Meet with you and then go talk with the Hawk Board about what was discussed :supz:

Its called a bureaucratic process, Long may it continue 8-)

Chicquera

11-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Yeah, Meet with you and then go talk with the Hawk Board about what was discussed :supz:

Its called a bureaucratic process, Long may it continue 8-)

They dont need to cause some of the group are HB anyway !

Tim Laycock

11-09-2007, 09:54 PM

They dont need to cause some of the group are HB anyway !

Kind of confounds my point Gary :lol:

Bowperch

12-09-2007, 08:50 AM

If it wasn’t for the hawk board you would not be able to enjoy your sport as you do now. DOCs, having more than two birds, protecting wild birds by not having wild take, a close relationship with DEFRA, voicing objections concerning birds of prey and fox hunting, having meetings with MPs to put our point across at government level, education, the question of hybirds . . . the list goes on. Every falconer and bird of prey keeper in the country should support the HB, otherwise you may loose what you have got at the moment. Other countries are envious of us here in the UK because of what the hawk board has achieved. Support, don’t knock!

Kevin Massey

12-09-2007, 08:54 AM

They dont need to cause some of the group are HB anyway !

Exactly:lol:

Chicquera

12-09-2007, 09:25 AM

Exactly:lol:

And some AREN'T !!! :rolleyes:

Miliscer

12-09-2007, 09:28 AM

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I would just like to bring this thread back to members attention,
maybe some of the hawkboard members on here could answer my questions?

Thx

Moritz

Why dont you just ask them directly yourself? I have had occasion to speak to both Nick Kester and Jim Chick recently, both went out of their way to help, try it :roll:

Contact details on the HB website

Mike

Chicquera

12-09-2007, 09:40 AM

I think the Hawk Board do a thankless task, I may not totally agree on the way they tackle certain issues and have been able to do something about that but it takes a lot of energy, a lot more energy than sitting at a keyboard spouting off about how you're not represented and doing very little yourself to defend falconry/raptor keeping ! :roll:

Miliscer

12-09-2007, 09:59 AM

Well said that man! 8-)

Mike

GregMik

12-09-2007, 01:43 PM

protecting wild birds by not having wild take,

And this is a positive?

Greg

Redeye

12-09-2007, 03:47 PM

And this is a positive?

Greg

I guess you need the HB to protect wild raptors in the US. After all those yrs of wild take I am surprised there are any left:yawinkle:
I sometimes wonder just whether it is possible to a joint LACS/IFF membership with some of the views on here

GregMik

12-09-2007, 04:04 PM

I guess you need the HB to protect wild raptors in the US. After all those yrs of wild take I am surprised there are any left:yawinkle:

It is called sustainable use mate. Shows the flawed reasoning behind the "No wild take" stance.

I sometimes wonder just whether it is possible to a joint LACS/IFF membership with some of the views on here

I am not sure what LACS is, but I am going to assume that it is a conservation organization. The problem I see with a non-hunting conservation org is that they will not even consider any public use of a wild animal. Even on a sustainable use platform.

Greg