Surgical sterilization in hybred birds...

[Dude]

I heard about it and if I can found the way to sterilize hybreds, than maybe the ministry gives me a permit to fly hybreds, coz he is the ministry said we are not allowed to fly hybreds, coz if they escape they can ruin the genes of our native breeders and if the hybreds are sterilized the probleblem is solved!

anyone heard about it?

regards,
Dan. :)

[Osiris]

I am sure i read something about this in an artical on a web site somewhere but cant remember where... I'll have a look...

I have heard that Surgical Sterilization is now possible however it is in its infancy and should be given time to be progessed on.

[Varmint]

Why not suggest only flying social imprints?

No danger of a lost bird naturally hybridizing!

[Osiris]

lol - good idea Varmint

[Dude]

yeah, but in the ministry there are *******es and only if they heard the word of sterilized bird than we get sum hope to get permit to fly hybreds.... :(

[Varmint]

Thats a shame, perhaps if you were to look at what the german governemnt are saying about flying hybrids and pass this info on?

[Dude]

good idea, I ask one of my german friend, maybe he knows it or ask moritz to copy it 4 me here in the forum

[Adam Barrett]

maybe you could ask to fly as a certain species of hybrid as some of these hybrids are naturaly infertile???

[Varmint]

some of these hybrids are naturaly infertile???

Like, which ones Adam?

[Dude]

near all of the females are infertile at hybreds, and not all of the males are fertile in possible combinations.

[Adam Barrett]

Quote:some of these hybrids are naturaly infertile???


Like, which ones Adam?

From what i have heard many hybrids such as the perlins and gyrlins are nearly all going to be infertile as the genes are 'to far apart'.

i know that some hybrids are readily fertile such as the gyr-sakers?

please correct me if i am wrong-as you can see from the original quote i intended it as a question as i will admit iam a total novice when it comes to hybrids.

regards,
Adam

[Varmint]

In actual fact most hybrids have the ability to reproduce, its just that some are less fertile than others?

There is one train of thought which suggests that the wall of cloacha has pockets into which sperm can effectivley "Duck" when an egg passes so that they are no ejected, and certainly early work into Gyr/Peri's would suggest this, but the fact remains that all hybrid falcons have the ability to re produce, so using this as an argument for non hybridation in the wild wouldnt stand up!

Certain males have low active sperm counts, but again using similar techniques to those used in poor fatility in humans, can be employed to increase the effectiveness of their semen.

But, socially imprinting them would offer an amount of security for this purpose, which is what happened in Germany.

I hope you manage to forge some way into changing the laws in your country Dude, cause it has to be said that some hybrids (Gyr/Peri, Peri/Sak, Peri/Merlin) have got to be experienced, to be believed!!

[Adam Barrett]

In actual fact most hybrids have the ability to reproduce, its just that some are less fertile than others?

There is one train of thought which suggests that the wall of cloacha has pockets into which sperm can effectivley "Duck" when an egg passes so that they are no ejected, and certainly early work into Gyr/Peri's would suggest this, but the fact remains that all hybrid falcons have the ability to re produce, so using this as an argument for non hybridation in the wild wouldnt stand up!

Certain males have low active sperm counts, but again using similar techniques to those used in poor fatility in humans, can be employed to increase the effectiveness of their semen.

Thanks for taking the time to write that varmint iv learnt something new and my veiws on the subject have neem altered accordingly :) :wink:
Thanks
Adam

[Varmint]

No Probs mate, always here to help if i can :lol: